Something is very wrong here hawg fans

[forrest city joe]

http://www.sportsline.com/mcc/messages/chrono/11753830
Tiger High keeps getting top 10 players by the droves. and we cant get any. something is wrong here and i believe i know what it is. Tiger High is cheating their butts off through Fed-X. and the Ncaa has no intrest in busting them. as they dont with Reggie Bush and USC. yet they attacked and killed our basketball program when we had it going. it makes me sick.

[Hogbody]

What was it that happened with like the Head of Fedex that was a Memphis alum?  I cant remember.

[The Realist]

I posted on here back in February what is really going on and how I obtained the information.
It's called the Fedex "intern" program.  That is how they legally do it.  And by it, I mean give over $20k in cash to every player annually along with the car of their choice.

[forrest city joe]

What was it that happened with like the Head of Fedex that was a Memphis alum?  I cant remember.

Nothing happen. just like nothing happen when former Memphis play Shawn williams said he recieved almost 40,000 dollars while he was at memphis. and it came from a memphis booster. yet the Ncaa did nothing. they are getting away with chating over there.

[Zen_Hog]

Nothing happen. just like nothing happen when former Memphis play Shawn williams said he recieved almost 40,000 dollars while he was at memphis. and it came from a memphis booster. yet the Ncaa did nothing. they are getting away with chating over there.

I was going to say, a former player or recruit should step up and say something.

Sigh...I guess nothing will happen then.

[The Realist]

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=214845.0

Here is the story as it was told to me from someone who should know...

[forrest city joe]

I was going to say, a former player or recruit should step up and say something.

Sigh...I guess nothing will happen then.

Nothing will happen until the Ncaa stop having programs they love like Memphis basketball and Usc football. they have both programs dead to right. yet they are doing nothing about it. instead, they take 2 track championships from our track program. yea we did wrong in track. but they never proved the people in charge knew about it.yet they threw the book at us. the cheating at Memphis is unreal.yet nothing.

[chortle]

Hell, can we not have the Wal-Mart intern program? Or the Tyson chicken program?

It's not like there isn't money in NWA.

[forrest city joe]

Hell, can we not have the Wal-Mart intern program? Or the Tyson chicken program?

It's not like there isn't money in NWA.

I believe like most hawg fans that we want to win the right way. i dont want to cheat to win.plus when arkansas so much as buy a player a coke. here comes the big bad Ncaa knocking. it's sickening.

[Marshfieldhog]

Well crap, I bought Matt Jones some coke.

[Ham Ham Pigelow]

Calipari has turned Memphis into a NBA factory. These top-flight talents these days want one thing and one thing only, money and NBA stardom. Memphis offers a big time arena to playin, it's a bigger media market. Honestly, I would prefer Pelphrey to place a higher priority on kids who will be in school for at least 3 years. That's how you build a program.

[3kgthog]

Pretty common knowledge, at least based on several rumors backed up by some facts, that Duke and Memphis are two of the dirtiest basketball programs behind the scenes. Don't you Dookie lovers start trying to claim Coach K is clean either. Several credible investigative news sources have dug up stuff on them from Carlos Boozer's dad moving from Alaska and getting a cushy job with a local pharmaceutical company to Chris Duhon's mom getting the same treatment.

But back to Tiger High, wasn't it 3-4 years ago some Memphis players had their apartment or car broken into and several fur coats and some jewels were stolen?

[Brass Knob]

I imagine there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes at every major college program.  However, Memphis as of late is playing late into March, they run an offense that is designed to accentuate a single stud guard, and the atmosphere in the FedEx forum is pretty amazing.... The school offers a lot more than people give it credit for.

[broken legs]

memphis currently has a better basketball program than arkansas

hopefully that will change soon

quit crying *FCJ*

[Baconator]

Maybe Pel needs to hire AAU coaches/parents as assistants and recruit siblings of future lottery picks to level the playing field.

[Papawhog]

Wonder what sanctions will be placed on SC after the RB investigation ends? Sounds like they violated everything in the book. If I had been offered a scolarship by SC, I kinda would like to know how severe a penalty they will be looking at. Among other violations, they are credited with:

Round-trip airfare from San Diego to Oakland
Limousine transportation from the Oakland airport
Suits for Bush's stepfather and brother
Weekly payments of at least $1,500 to the Bush family
Hotel stay by Bush at the Venetian Resort & Casino in Las Vegas
A stay by Bush at the Manchester Hyatt in San Diego
Approximately $13,000 to Bush from New Era to purchase and modify a car
$54,000 in rent-free living for a year at Michaels' $757,500 home in Spring Valley, Calif.
$28,000 from Michaels to help Bush's family settle pre-existing debt,
Thousands of dollars in spending money to both Bush and his family from the prospective agents.

I can't even amagine what the penalty would be if the U of A was guilty of any one of these violations.

[Fatmanhog]

Wonder what sanctions will be placed on SC after the RB investigation ends? Sounds like they violated everything in the book. If I had been offered a scolarship by SC, I kinda would like to know how severe a penalty they will be looking at. Among other violations, they are credited with:

Round-trip airfare from San Diego to Oakland
Limousine transportation from the Oakland airport
Suits for Bush’s stepfather and brother
Weekly payments of at least $1,500 to the Bush family
Hotel stay by Bush at the Venetian Resort & Casino in Las Vegas
A stay by Bush at the Manchester Hyatt in San Diego
Approximately $13,000 to Bush from New Era to purchase and modify a car
$54,000 in rent-free living for a year at Michaels’ $757,500 home in Spring Valley, Calif.
$28,000 from Michaels to help Bush’s family settle pre-existing debt,
Thousands of dollars in spending money to both Bush and his family from the prospective agents.

I can't even amagine what the penalty would be if the U of A was guilty of any one of these violations.

DEATH

[hawgsav1]

Wonder what sanctions will be placed on SC after the RB investigation ends? Sounds like they violated everything in the book. If I had been offered a scolarship by SC, I kinda would like to know how severe a penalty they will be looking at. Among other violations, they are credited with:

Round-trip airfare from San Diego to Oakland
Limousine transportation from the Oakland airport
Suits for Bush's stepfather and brother
Weekly payments of at least $1,500 to the Bush family
Hotel stay by Bush at the Venetian Resort & Casino in Las Vegas
A stay by Bush at the Manchester Hyatt in San Diego
Approximately $13,000 to Bush from New Era to purchase and modify a car
$54,000 in rent-free living for a year at Michaels' $757,500 home in Spring Valley, Calif.
$28,000 from Michaels to help Bush's family settle pre-existing debt,
Thousands of dollars in spending money to both Bush and his family from the prospective agents.

I can't even amagine what the penalty would be if the U of A was guilty of any one of these violations.

That's only for Bush.  There's a lot more other stuff going on there, and it starts with the AD and his assistants. 

[bobcat ball]

Memphis is better right now but it will all get back to the way it was and Arkansas basketball will return to the top 10 program it was for so many years just give pel some time to get his players and system established. 

[tiber]

Wonder what sanctions will be placed on SC after the RB investigation ends? Sounds like they violated everything in the book. If I had been offered a scolarship by SC, I kinda would like to know how severe a penalty they will be looking at. Among other violations, they are credited with:

Round-trip airfare from San Diego to Oakland
Limousine transportation from the Oakland airport
Suits for Bush's stepfather and brother
Weekly payments of at least $1,500 to the Bush family
Hotel stay by Bush at the Venetian Resort & Casino in Las Vegas
A stay by Bush at the Manchester Hyatt in San Diego
Approximately $13,000 to Bush from New Era to purchase and modify a car
$54,000 in rent-free living for a year at Michaels' $757,500 home in Spring Valley, Calif.
$28,000 from Michaels to help Bush's family settle pre-existing debt,
Thousands of dollars in spending money to both Bush and his family from the prospective agents.

I can't even amagine what the penalty would be if the U of A was guilty of any one of these violations.

This has been hidden on the back-burner so well that the blue-chips keep flowing in.  One would think with this hanging out there that UCLA would be a prime position to snap the west coast stars up, but nothing has changed to this point.

[Dr Swineglove]

Hummm - this reminds me a bit of the time SMU signed the two best RB's in Texas the same year...

[The real Hogules]

Nothing happen. just like nothing happen when former Memphis play Shawn williams said he recieved almost 40,000 dollars while he was at memphis. and it came from a memphis booster. yet the Ncaa did nothing. they are getting away with chating over there.

I have to agree, if there's one thing I can't stand it's chaters!  

Seriously though, I would expect new NCAA rules that will close the loopholes that allow college athletes to receive such obvious "special treatment".
It gives schools like Memphis an unfair advantage in the recruitment of college athletes.

All that crap aside, the single thing that REALLY chaps my @$$ is long before FedEx ever established their home base in Memphis it was rumored that they originally wanted to put their business' hub in Little Rock, but were turned down by Little Rock's Chamber of Commerce.

Just think, it could be the UofA handing out $20,000.00 a year internships to induce potential recruits to the UofA.

[jst01]

memphis currently has a better basketball program than arkansas

hopefully that will change soon

quit crying *FCJ*

Its a legitimate argument so shut your mouth and let FCJ talk about what he wishes.  Keep scrolling if ya dont like it. 

[heathtits]

Its a legitimate argument so shut your mouth and let FCJ talk about what he wishes.  Keep scrolling if ya dont like it. 

The real argument is why we couldn't land a big name coach that could immediately bring in blue chip prospects on his and our programs name alone.

No offense to Pelphrey but it's going to be a while. And if you don't think we offer under the table stuff, you are pretty delusional.

[Eddie Piggard]

Hell, can we not have the Wal-Mart intern program? Or the Tyson chicken program?

It's not like there isn't money in NWA.

We had the Ted Harrod Program.....didn't work so well.


*sigh*

[jst01]

The real argument is why we couldn't land a big name coach that could immediately bring in blue chip prospects on his and our programs name alone.

No offense to Pelphrey but it's going to be a while. And if you don't think we offer under the table stuff, you are pretty delusional.

Because no "big name" coach wanted the job. 

And not every school cheats to get players.  Unless you have some proof, then your comment is just an opinion of yours.

[heathtits]

Because no "big name" coach wanted the job. 

And not every school cheats to get players.  Unless you have some proof, then your comment is just an opinion of yours.

Thank you captain obvious. That still doesn't answer the question of WHY no one wanted the job. Which is really why we should be arguing about.

I thought we got through the "poor old Arkansas" crap when Houston left. Regardless if Memphis is cheating, they're obviously doing a good job or not doing it at all. Why would the NCAA bust Indiana, Arkansas, Michigan, SMU and hopefully USC in the future among others and let Memphis slide?

Is it not plausible the fact that Memphis being in the title game last year might happen to help their recruiting? Or the fact that John Calipari has ALWAYS been able to recruit(dirty or not). We can whine all we want but we still have an undersized/inexperienced team,an unproven coach and a sub par recruiting class. All the while Memphis will probably add John Wall to their retarded class.

We should being worrying about why we're losing battles for AJ Walton, Favors and Stephenson rather than what Memphis is doing.

[jst01]

That still doesn't answer the question of WHY no one wanted the job. Which is really why we should be arguing about.

Well, why do you think we couldn't land a proven well known coach? 

[heathtits]

Well, why do you think we couldn't land a proven well known coach? 

I don't know, I don't claim to know. I have an idea that it had something to with Frank's ineptitude, but I just don't understand how even Tom Crean would turn US down, with all the talent we had coming back, and then the next year go to Indiana and take over that mess. Not to mention the whole Dana Altman ordeal. The whole thing was alzheimers personified.

Too many questions haven't been answered for me to be worrying about Memphis is all I am saying.

[dhornjr1]

Heathtits, I gotta say, you echo my thoughts exactly.

[The Boar War]

I have an idea that it had something to with Frank's ineptitude, but I just don't understand how even Tom Crean would turn US down, with all the talent we had coming back, and then the next year go to Indiana and take over that mess.

I've got a feeling that the mess on the hill was equal to that of Indiana.  The only difference is that our mess involved the AD i.e. his future boss.  Honestly I'm surprised anybody came.

[The Boar War]

Is it not plausible the fact that Memphis being in the title game last year might happen to help their recruiting? Or the fact that John Calipari has ALWAYS been able to recruit(dirty or not). We can whine all we want but we still have an undersized/inexperienced team,an unproven coach and a sub par recruiting class. All the while Memphis will probably add John Wall to their retarded class.

We should being worrying about why we're losing battles for AJ Walton, Favors and Stephenson rather than what Memphis is doing.

I could not agree more.  Memphis is going to do what they do.  The University of Arkansas (much less it's fans) is not going to be able to punish Memphis in any way. 

Besides we weren't even in the running for the Henry kid.  We are losing recruiting battles to the likes of Baylor (Walton), OSU (Gulley), and UAB (Cousins).  Yes something is wrong FCJ and it may involve Memphis but it also includes some things that we aren't doing.

[Brass Knob]

I am glad to see that some fans on here live in reality.... Memphis is not the reason we do not get top tier recruits or why our program is struggling.  There is a lot going on behind the scenes but do not be delusional and think Arkansas stays completely clean while every other program "cheats".  Arkansas' problem is not Memphis, all of the UofA's problems are absolutely internal. 

[Bubba's Bruisers]

We can whine all we want but we still have an undersized/inexperienced team,an unproven coach and a sub par recruiting class. All the while Memphis will probably add John Wall to their retarded class.

We should being worrying about why we're losing battles for AJ Walton, Favors and Stephenson rather than what Memphis is doing.

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[Dr Swineglove]

I am glad to see that some fans on here live in reality.... Memphis is not the reason we do not get top tier recruits or why our program is struggling.  There is a lot going on behind the scenes but do not be delusional and think Arkansas stays completely clean while every other program "cheats".  Arkansas' problem is not Memphis, all of the UofA's problems are absolutely internal. 

Oh, don't try us with a well thought-out, sober assessment - we want to whine here.  Just kidding - good post.

[The Realist]

Considering Charles Thomas, Vincent Hunter, and Darian Townes all drove cars that cost more than $25k, not saying we are clean.

[chiefsfan]

Considering Charles Thomas, Vincent Hunter, and Darian Townes all drove cars that cost more than $25k, not saying we are clean.

need we bring up the Darren McFadden Escolade incident?

Everybody cheats.   Memphis and Baylor just happen to be better cheaters then the rest of us

[forrest city joe]

I imagine there is a lot that goes on behind the scenes at every major college program.  However, Memphis as of late is playing late into March, they run an offense that is designed to accentuate a single stud guard, and the atmosphere in the FedEx forum is pretty amazing.... The school offers a lot more than people give it credit for.

Bullcrap. Memphis is Memphis. there is no way in the world they should be able to go into ill and get Derek Rose last yeay. and then turn around and get Xavier James this year. they are cheating via Fed-X and other boosters. that school has nothing.

[forrest city joe]

Thank you captain obvious. That still doesn't answer the question of WHY no one wanted the job. Which is really why we should be arguing about.

I thought we got through the "poor old Arkansas" crap when Houston left. Regardless if Memphis is cheating, they're obviously doing a good job or not doing it at all. Why would the NCAA bust Indiana, Arkansas, Michigan, SMU and hopefully USC in the future among others and let Memphis slide?

Is it not plausible the fact that Memphis being in the title game last year might happen to help their recruiting? Or the fact that John Calipari has ALWAYS been able to recruit(dirty or not). We can whine all we want but we still have an undersized/inexperienced team,an unproven coach and a sub par recruiting class. All the while Memphis will probably add John Wall to their retarded class.

We should being worrying about why we're losing battles for AJ Walton, Favors and Stephenson rather than what Memphis is doing.

Im not worried about rathole school in Memphis. i know they are cheating and getting away with in. Cal cheated at Umass, and he's cheating at tiger high.maby Pel cant get top players because the Ncaa only allows teams like Memphis to do it. why dont you wake up. if you are a hawg fan in the first place?

[jerbear]

Nice little story on cheating on espn.  To bad they don't do an article on memphis and fed-ex.

"It's sort of like Wall Street and the traders," Louisville coach Rick Pitino said. "If something just doesn't seem right, it probably isn't. But what can you do?"

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncb/columns/story?id=3710807

[sivad53]

there was also a story regarding this kid
http://arkansas.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?pr_key=60890&Sport=2
http://www.myeyewitnessnews.com/content/sports/story.aspx?content_id=4297d7c1-82d6-4d2c-8dec-3b6170c2aaf9
so how much do you like your job at fedex ms gaddy, would you like to work at fedex in memphis with say at 6 figure salary?

[sivad53]

I know the have a good "on the court" program there but thats all ill give them.  Oh and by watching them against umass cant really even say that for this year, didn't really look like they have that type of team this yeah to go very far in the ncaa tourney.

[moley_russells_wart_hog]

so who oversees the ncaa?

[forrest city joe]

Im telling you folks, tiger high is not getting all these players because Cal is their coach. there are things that are going on that's aided them in this. money, cars and jobs going to players, family and friends.it's unreal what they are getting away with. over here in eastern arkansas, there have been rumors for years about what fed-x has been doing.yet they are getting away with it.

[Reekinhavoc]

I really like it when Hawg high takes the time to deride Memphis' program....Guffaw...and all the while has nothing to show for their years in the SEC! Should have come to a small conference and made a mark in it rather than taking on more than you can handle in the SEC! You whiners are sickening.... and I hope the guy above learns how to spell cheaters, either with spell check or by upgrading that lousy Arky degree with a fine one from the U of M!  Ha ha  and oh yes damn them chaters!

[forrest city joe]

I really like it when Hawg high takes the time to deride Memphis' program....Guffaw...and all the while has nothing to show for their years in the SEC! Should have come to a small conference and made a mark in it rather than taking on more than you can handle in the SEC! You whiners are sickening.... and I hope the guy above learns how to spell cheaters, either with spell check or by upgrading that lousy Arky degree with a fine one from the U of M!  Ha ha  and oh yes damn them chaters!

Memphis is a Cesspool.your rathole program have been buying players for years.Keith Lee went to your upstanding program for 4 years and could not spell it's name.Freddie Barnett, your DL tried to get into to arkansas for 2 years, and could not. how did he get into tiger high? im over here in eastern arkansas.and i can not stand Memphis.that athletic program is 2nd rare. and is a cesspool.

[mizzouman]

I don't see how USC gets away with it.  Norm Stewart got sanctioned one time by the NCAA because one of his assistant gave a ride to practice to one of the players he saw stranded on the side of the street when his car broke down and it was snowing. 

[forrest city joe]

dear forrest city joe

please quit embarrassing hog fans

thanks

Nope. go back to the cesspool of Memphis, and enjoy your thug coach and players. i dont like you or tiger high.GO WAY!

[ar_sports_talk]

Nope. go back to the cesspool of Memphis, and enjoy your thug coach and players. i dont like you or tiger high.GO WAY!

Forrest City is not exactly the mecca of America. 

eh wev Joe

[forrest city joe]

I will take it over the cesspool of Memphis anyday. great mayor you have there. there is almost no crime in that cesspool.and how about your basketball thugs. see Jeremy hunt. beating your girlfriend is not good.neither is bar fighting. and you know what im talking about.Memphis is a 2nd rate city with a 2nd rate program. stop buying players, and giving them grades. then you can talk.THANK YOU KANSAS.I LOVED IT.