Superdome to be razed

[Hog6]

according to Ted Koppel on ABC just now.  Holy smokes.

[Prince of Pork]

I thought it was mainly roof damage

[Hog6]

I thought it was mainly roof damage

I'm on the computer and my wife is watching the TV and she just said no kidding thats what they said ... maybe nobody wanted to clean out all the crap.  I bet there are going to be bigger, more costly decisions made on the reconstruction.  Maybe Kopel is on drugs but he usually is a pretty solid reporter.

[Flatfoot]

The city govt and the Saints have been negotiating on the remodeling of the dome the last year.  It will probably cost more to repair and remodel than to demolish and rebuild. 

[Slacker]

Heard it with my own ears. The Dome is gone. My personal opine. Anybody who moves back, needs a brain scan. You are a dumbass. Just like this fella:

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[Flatfoot]

It doesn't matter, because Dubya has already said that they are going to rebuild the city.  So we are all going to be paying for the new city.  But if Little Rock was destroyed I am sure that I would want it rebuilt.

[Hog6]

Saints ownership is already pushing to move to San Antonio permanently (or LA possibly). Don't y'all think everything but Bourbon Street and the French Quarter in the flooded area will be pretty much wiped out and never rebuilt? In my opinion it's a great future for people who own land outside of New Orleans proper.

Bacon out...

I've visited there a bunch and can't remember much from my college-age trips there but I can tell you there are great areas of NO that I hope did not flood... well I wish none of it did... but from an historical point of view if you get on a streetcar and head towards the main park there are miles of antebellum homes that have been restored over the years and I hope to hell they have not been wiped out.  I saw a guy on TV look over satellite pictures of before and after and it may be possible that the most architecturally important areas like the Quarter and older neighborhoods may have been spared major damage.  Please understand that I am not overlooking the human tragedy that has occurred overall.

[Slacker]

It doesn't matter, because Dubya has already said that they are going to rebuild the city.  So we are all going to be paying for the new city.  But if Little Rock was destroyed I am sure that I would want it rebuilt.

Well, that sucks. I've supported W's decisions till now. This one, I don't agree with. The French built this city below sea level, in their infinite wisdom. It was destine for doom.It was a  Roll of the dice, not if, but when thes tragedy was to occur. Why rebuild and say "damn" again? I know that sounds heartless. But it's the way I feel.

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[bigred7987]

personally i say just flood the rest of the city and make it a cool underwater place to go scuba diving lol

[Flatfoot]

personally i say just flood the rest of the city and make it a cool underwater place to go scuba diving lol

bigred we can't be saying that, I have relatives that live in New Orleans and Baton Rouge.  I know that I have been blessed in this world so many times I can't express.  If they rebuild, then the solution will be to put up a levee system that will hold this time.  New Orleans would have taken a hit from Katrina but not as bad if the levee held. 

[bigred7987]

How many people do you think will move back in a year when its livable...how many people will live in a shelter for a year.  Fact is most people will move on to another city get another job and put NO in the past.  I highly doubt N.O. will ever again have the population they did or the draw it once had. 

[bigred7987]

true that some of those people will go back but how many of the avg. working people will go back...there wont be any jobs there for a long time unless its part of the rebuilding process...I just don't see how people could go back after settling for a year.

[Slacker]

How many people do you think will move back in a year when its livable...how many people will live in a shelter for a year. Fact is most people will move on to another city get another job and put NO in the past. I highly doubt N.O. will ever again have the population they did or the draw it once had.

Problem is that a great percentage of the people who have been evacuated didn't have a job to begin with, and very large extended families who have called NO home for a long time.  I think they'll move back, but projects will be rebuilt outside of NO proper.  It is the only way to do it right and W knows it but can't say too much yet.

Bacon out...

Bacon is a wise man. I would further his post by telling yall, Some of these folks did not leave b'cuase they couldn't afford to leave town to get  a hotel room, or maybe didn't have a car to get out.


If the city is unihabitable, it should not be rebuit. Many of the folks who did not evacuate, did not do so, simply because they could not afford to get a hotel room.

I would say most of the "refugees" will not be moving away from thier government checks, wherever they've been moved to.

Let Nawlins become a tourist attraction. I know that sounds heartless. But that's the way I think.

Slacker out.

[Flatfoot]

It is just sad to see so many historic buildings that will be just wiped away from all of the flooding.

[clew]

the french quarter may be salvageable because it was slightly higher than other parishes, but NO will NEVER completely recover.  As has been mentioned, most of those who have been moved to shelters here in TX and elsewhere, probably won't return.  There is nothing to return to and no insurance check to rebuild.  Because there was a lot of business (banking, conferences, etc.) in downtown, some of it may be rebuilt to an extent, but who is going to insure it?  The costs to the insurance segement will be astronomical and I imagine that their rates will be astronomical IF anyone decides to rebuild.  This, of course, doesn't even begin to count the cost of bulldozing 80% of NO including the infrastructure to make it a viable city.  You've got to get rid of what's there before you can rebuild.  This includes a lot of the buildings (maybe even some of the high rises), the hotels, the bridges, and roads.  To top it all off, the chemical quagmire that is seeping into the soil, water supply,  and the water table will take a lot of time to clean up--if it can even be cleaned up. 

The talk of rebuilding NO into the city it once was, IMHO, is vastly premature.  I think there are a lot of folks talking out of their collective arses right now.

chris

[Big Papa Satan]

I think the government needs to look at bi-weekly welfare checks in the future or maybe even daily deposits into accounts to help head off cash flow problems among the have-nots in our society.

That, or the guvment could cut many of their lazy asses off of welfare.

I understand not being able to work because of a physical and/or mental disability.

However, the majority of those on welfare are in condition to work.  They simply are too sorry to.

[junkyardhog]

Do you know what welfare is DR? Did you know that people cannot collect welfare for more than 2 years now that W is in office?  Did you know that if you collect welfare, you are required to work or go to school?  Or, are you just spouting drivel that a young kid spouts because he's heard it all his life?

The days of collecting welfare checks the rest of your life are over. Yes, there are types of aid that low income folks can get for food and the very basics, but other than that, nope.

But of course, you knew that, right?

[Inigo Montoya]

It's all so easy for some to label the stranded and starving poor people in New Orleans right now.  Maybe one day some catastrophe will hit NWA and the news can just show the helpless white trash living in trailer parks and low income apartments while ignoring these rest because they are the ones suffering.  Wonder what the country would think of Arkansas if that was the case?  New Orleans will exist again in some form.  Don't know where they are going to get clean water from now that the nasty water is being pumped back into the lake but they will rebuild.

[junkyardhog]

Do you know what welfare is DR? Did you know that people cannot collect welfare for more than 2 years now that W is in office? Did you know that if you collect welfare, you are required to work or go to school? Or, are you just spouting drivel that a young kid spouts because he's heard it all his life?

The days of collecting welfare checks the rest of your life are over. Yes, there are types of aid that low income folks can get for food and the very basics, but other than that, nope.

But of course, you knew that, right?

Well, you're kinda right. Now the folks just find some malady that warrants a "disability" check. It has cut down a bit on the welfare rolls, but many have just shifted from poor to disabled. The sad thing is they now have a poor little pitiful me mindset that is justified in their mind because they can't work, not because they are lazy.

Bacon out...

Once again, you guys are spouting urban myths.  Yes, you can receive ss Disability. Do you know anyone who has ever tried? It is VERY VERY hard to get it. Can take years. There are no free checks any more.

[PorcineSublime]

Do you know what welfare is DR? Did you know that people cannot collect welfare for more than 2 years now that W is in office?  Did you know that if you collect welfare, you are required to work or go to school?  Or, are you just spouting drivel that a young kid spouts because he's heard it all his life?

The days of collecting welfare checks the rest of your life are over. Yes, there are types of aid that low income folks can get for food and the very basics, but other than that, nope.

But of course, you knew that, right?

Actually, welfare reform happened on Bill Clinton's watch. Not that that changes anything  in your point. I just like to pull that one out every so often when people start talking about the  "failed Clinton Administration".  Carry on.

[JJHog]

Do you know what welfare is DR? Did you know that people cannot collect welfare for more than 2 years now that W is in office? Did you know that if you collect welfare, you are required to work or go to school? Or, are you just spouting drivel that a young kid spouts because he's heard it all his life?

The days of collecting welfare checks the rest of your life are over. Yes, there are types of aid that low income folks can get for food and the very basics, but other than that, nope.

But of course, you knew that, right?

Actually, welfare reform happened on Bill Clinton's watch. Not that that changes anything in your point. I just like to pull that one out every so often when people start talking about the "failed Clinton Administration". Carry on.

Thanks for the clarification. I, for one, and maybe the only one, see Clinton's legacy to be pretty superb other than his winkie incidents.

Bacon out...

I won't mention the Liberal Judges under Clinton...

[junkyardhog]

I didn't realize Clinton did that. Kudos to him if he did though.

Regarding disability, my dad spent 3 months in intensive care. I knew he would never work again as he had tubes in his brain permanently.  I went to the SS office and applied for him to get disability. One of the quickest turnarounds ever, and after about 2 months they said he was elgible, but couldn't draw one penny till he got out of the hospital. WTH?

Doesn't matter, he died the 3rd month.  I now know why the people at the SSI office have guards

I wanted to wring that pencil necked little geeks ass. BTW- it was in Hot Springs

[Skip Foreplay]

It doesn't matter, because Dubya has already said that they are going to rebuild the city.  So we are all going to be paying for the new city. But if Little Rock was destroyed I am sure that I would want it rebuilt.

I think you misunderstood W.He was talking about rebuilding it in South Dakota.

[cityhog]

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Well, that sucks. I've supported W's decisions till now. This one, I don't agree with. The French built this city below sea level, in their infinite wisdom. It was destine for doom.It was a Roll of the dice, not if, but when thes tragedy was to occur. Why rebuild and say "damn" again? I know that sounds heartless. But it's the way I feel.

Amazing....one of the most important and historical Southern and American cities and you are ready to say screw it, because the French didn't have the foresight some 300 years ago to see a Category 5 Hurricane hitting there .  I suppose we should say screw it to the  geniuses who built cities in major flood zones like St. Louis, and Memphis, and D.C for that matter.  Oh, and let's just say forget you to Seattle, LA, San Francisco because they are built on faults.  That's an amazing can-do attitude you have there.  I hope you don't feel the same way when a series of twisters wipes parts of Arkansas back into the dark ages.  JEEZ!!

[Rocky&Boarwinkle]

It doesn't matter, because Dubya has already said that they are going to rebuild the city.  So we are all going to be paying for the new city.  But if Little Rock was destroyed I am sure that I would want it rebuilt.

Well, that sucks. I've supported W's decisions till now. This one, I don't agree with. The French built this city below sea level, in their infinite wisdom. It was destine for doom.It was a  Roll of the dice, not if, but when thes tragedy was to occur. Why rebuild and say "damn" again? I know that sounds heartless. But it's the way I feel.

I'm sorry, but in 1719 it wasn't under sea level.  It is swampy ground.  In almost 300 years, the city has grown out into the lower lying swamp areas which they filled in.  Right now downtown and French quarter are pretty dry.  The biggest problem was on the west side of town, where the town was sinking.  Something even more disturbing is how much of the coastline has been dissappearing for years.  The coastal areas that show up on maps, for the most part aren't there anymore. 

[Nutt_Hate_Me]

One word:  Casinos!  Make it Las Vegas on the Gulf.  The developers buy the land.  The proceeds from the sale go to the former property owners, the displaced and used to build better, safe housing outside of the city.  The area could be turned into a premium resort destination that can be easily evac'd in case of another big one.

All they really need to do is drop a stuff load of Oxyclean into the water.  That stuff will clean anything

[Porquemada]

I, for one, believe if New Orleans is rebuilt, it will be a much improved city. Just think about it. Most of the infrastructure will be new and all the "poor" citizens who are forced to live in other areas of the country will not be able to move back to New Orleans. The shantys most of these people lived in will be razed and few will be rebuilt. 

[Flatfoot]

New Orleans is well know in the law enforcement community to be the most corrupt in the nation.  Ask any police officer not from Louisianna the most corrupt department in the USA question, and well over 3/4 will tell you New Orleans.  Look at how many they have caught on film looting just like the other scumbags in the city.      200 have quit.  Just walked in and quit or just walked off.  Sorry, I don't give a damn about thier circumstances.  They and I took an oath when they became a police officer before God, To Protect and Serve.  They knew that these circumstances could happen.  No different than a soldier deserting the battlefield.  Deserve to be whipped and hung.  I have no sympathy for them. 

[Flatfoot]

Oh completely forgot they are going to give each New Orleans officer and families a five day vacation to Vegas free of charge, to the ones who stayed and showed the true courage it takes to be a police officers.  I hope each one them has the best vacation ever.  They are the ones who deserve it.

[LSUFan]

Where will all the whores go?

[Porquemada]

Where will all the whores go?

Little Rock. Huckabee has already sent buses.

[Flatfoot]

Half to Austin and the other half to Knoxville.  They just love burnt orange, it gets them hot.