Regarding Tuberville's supposed $6 million buyout at Auburn

[HognotinMemphis]

while that is a lot of money in a vaccuum, in the context of Arkansas paying it to hire him, it's nothing. The potential return on that investment is so high, it would be money very well spent. I mean, RRS isn't a 45,000 seat stadium. And if it's ever bowled, as it should be, it will seat upwards of 80,000 fans. Raise ticket prices, increase attendance, get better TV deals, etc. The $6 million invested would be made back with Tuberville in a couple of years and then a whole lot of gravy in years after that.

Point is, don't worry about any buyout cost...that will literally not be an issue at all. The issue with Tuberville will be if he'd take the job regardless of what salary Arkansas may offer him. He was snubbed by Arkansas in '98 and he may hold a grudge. Let's hope not.

[Razorback Homer]

Raise ticket prices, increase attendance, get better TV deals, etc. The $6 million invested would be made back with Tuberville in a couple of years and then a whole lot of gravy in years after that.

IMO, raising ticket prices is the LAST thing they should do.

[Nashville Fan]

It's one game's profits at Fayetteville. The A&M game is getting moved from WMS. That alone will probably make up for the 6mill over two years.

[Razorod]

Good post. You did put some things into perspective that most of us "regular Joes" probably can't appreciate since most of us don't make that kind of money.

[WhenPigsFly]

Agreed, don't raise ticket prices yet.  We are going to have a couple of down years, so don't run off potential fans with a price increase for a possibly inferior product.

[Conway Cool Daddy]

while that is a lot of money in a vaccuum, in the context of Arkansas paying it to hire him, it's nothing. The potential return on that investment is so high, it would be money very well spent. I mean, RRS isn't a 45,000 seat stadium. And if it's ever bowled, as it should be, it will seat upwards of 80,000 fans. Raise ticket prices, increase attendance, get better TV deals, etc. The $6 million invested would be made back with Tuberville in a couple of years and then a whole lot of gravy in years after that.

Point is, don't worry about any buyout cost...that will literally not be an issue at all. The issue with Tuberville will be if he'd take the job regardless of what salary Arkansas may offer him. He was snubbed by Arkansas in '98 and he may hold a grudge. Let's hope not.

I honestly think TT would jump at the chance.
I don't see him lasting much longer at Auburn.

The 6mil is a huge problem to overcome.

How about we pay them 8 mil and get Kodi and Ziemba as well?

[tryken]

The SEC controlls the TV deals, so we can't make better TV deals. 

[DirkPiggler]

IMO, raising ticket prices is the LAST thing they should do.

Our ticket prices are the lowest in the SEC.  Even Ole Miss charges $45 per ticket.  A $10 per ticket price increase wouldn't affect demand at all, and would net $4-5 million in additional revenue. 

[Lard]

If we moved the two LR games to Fayetteville that would be an additional $3MM in cash flow per year I think.  That would help. 

[DeltaBoy]

+10 on the Tickets would be a small price to pay for Tommy T.

[claytongray]

$6 million really isn't a lot to get the coach you want after you pay over half that much to get rid of the coach you don't want.

[VolHogg]

One good outcome of hiring TT, he would not recruiting our best players for Auburn!!

[modabusesucks]

while that is a lot of money in a vaccuum, in the context of Arkansas paying it to hire him, it's nothing. The potential return on that investment is so high, it would be money very well spent. I mean, RRS isn't a 45,000 seat stadium. And if it's ever bowled, as it should be, it will seat upwards of 80,000 fans. Raise ticket prices, increase attendance, get better TV deals, etc. The $6 million invested would be made back with Tuberville in a couple of years and then a whole lot of gravy in years after that.

Point is, don't worry about any buyout cost...that will literally not be an issue at all. The issue with Tuberville will be if he'd take the job regardless of what salary Arkansas may offer him. He was snubbed by Arkansas in '98 and he may hold a grudge. Let's hope not.

I doubt they raise club seat prices which are already at $75/ticket.  

[DirkPiggler]

I would do it incrementally (if possible) and go move to $40 and then $45 in a year or two just to relax the shock effect.

That's probably a good idea, although if we hire a name like Tuberville or Davis it might be best to go ahead with the full increase while the fans are excited about their next coach. 

[modabusesucks]

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[beansandtaters]

I honestly think TT would jump at the chance.
I don't see him lasting much longer at Auburn.

The 6mil is a huge problem to overcome.

How about we pay them 8 mil and get Kodi and Ziemba as well?

I agree with you about TT jumping at the chance Conway. I think he sees the writing on the wall at Auburn that one disappointing season including a loss to Saban and they'll be pushing him out the door.  The state of college football is such that coaches don't last that many years anymore, in one job, before they piss someone off.

[Lard]

I would do it incrementally (if possible) and go move to $40 and then $45 in a year or two just to relax the shock effect.

A $10 increase on 72,000 tickets is $720,000/yr.  That's nothing.  Moving the two LR games to Fayetteville is over $3MM/yr......there's your money.

[DirkPiggler]

A $10 increase on 72,000 tickets is $720,000/yr.  That's nothing.  Moving the two LR games to Fayetteville is over $3MM/yr......there's your money.

72,000 tickets X 5 games = 360,000 X $10 = $3.6 million.  That doesn't even take into account the Little Rock games or the years when we play six in Fayetteville. 

[Marshfieldhog]

I suspect Bobby Lowder wouldn't mind letting TT walk from the buyout at a lesser amount, I don't think he cares much for TT. Bobby Lowder is our Jim Lindsey...a big, rich blowhard.

[Lard]

72,000 tickets X 5 games = 360,000 X $10 = $3.6 million.  That doesn't even take into account the Little Rock games or the years when we play six in Fayetteville. 

You're right....I was thinking one game at a time.  Anyways, I'm not willing to continue to forego the additional revenue that we could have by playing in Fayetteville as oppossed to playing in the dump.  

[clockwisehog]

Can Tommy resign, get the $8 Million for himself and then come here, or does that only work with our administration?

[Gas Can]

If we moved the two LR games to Fayetteville that would be an additional $3MM in cash flow per year I think.  That would help. 

That might also cause the UofA some high $$ boosters.

[Lard]

That might also cause the UofA some high $$ boosters.

Like who?  What big money booster is stupid enough to not realize how the economics are in favor of Fayetteville? 

[johogs001]

Our ticket prices are the lowest in the SEC.  Even Ole Miss charges $45 per ticket.  A $10 per ticket price increase wouldn't affect demand at all, and would net $4-5 million in additional revenue. 

I went to a Mississippi St. game that was $40 a ticket.  If their fans pay it for the losers they usually are then I'd think we would be willing to pay $5-$10 more for tickets.

[HognotinMemphis]

IMO, raising ticket prices is the LAST thing they should do.

Why do you say that? You can't afford it? Arkansas has the lowest ticket prices in the entire SEC. Ole Miss tickets are $45 while Hogs charge $35 for one example. If it means hiring Tuberville, raise them a few bucks.

[HognotinMemphis]

I honestly think TT would jump at the chance.
I don't see him lasting much longer at Auburn.

The 6mil is a huge problem to overcome.

How about we pay them 8 mil and get Kodi and Ziemba as well?

No, the $6 million is NOT a huge problem to overcome. In fact, it's not a problem at all in this situation.

[HognotinMemphis]

The SEC controlls the TV deals, so we can't make better TV deals. 

We can get on TV more often...I didn't say "make better TV deals". If Hogs are on TV more often, it's more money for all teams in SEC and more money for the Hogs' program. Hogs were on TV more last year going 10-2 than they were this year with cupcake non-conf schedule and going 8-4.

[bphi11ips]

Money has always been a smokescreen.  Do the math on gross revenue generated by the team from all sources.  Subtract expenses, including coaches' and players' salaries.  Compare that to a professional team, then tell me we can't afford to pay a $6M buyout and $3M or more a year for a head coach.

[31to6]

IMO, raising ticket prices is the LAST thing they should do.

If they can fill the stadium at a higher price, they should.

Supply and demand.

[uams1989]

Raising ticket prices and moving games is not how the game is played.  Money...big money for salaries, buy-outs, etc. comes from big money donors, not game revenue, etc.

Alabama is only paying a quarter of Saban's salary.  The big money is coming from other booster group foundations, such as the Red Elephant Club and others.

That is what Arkansas would do if they want a Tuberville or some other high priced coach.

[LuckyGiraffe]

Like who?  What big money booster is stupid enough to not realize how the economics are in favor of Fayetteville? 

Stephens

[Ex-Trumpet]

while that is a lot of money in a vaccuum, in the context of Arkansas paying it to hire him, it's nothing. The potential return on that investment is so high, it would be money very well spent. I mean, RRS isn't a 45,000 seat stadium. And if it's ever bowled, as it should be, it will seat upwards of 80,000 fans. Raise ticket prices, increase attendance, get better TV deals, etc. The $6 million invested would be made back with Tuberville in a couple of years and then a whole lot of gravy in years after that.

Point is, don't worry about any buyout cost...that will literally not be an issue at all. The issue with Tuberville will be if he'd take the job regardless of what salary Arkansas may offer him. He was snubbed by Arkansas in '98 and he may hold a grudge. Let's hope not.

Any chance Auburn would pay it, just like we did nutt?

[HognotinMemphis]

Money has always been a smokescreen.  Do the math on gross revenue generated by the team from all sources.  Subtract expenses, including coaches' and players' salaries.  Compare that to a professional team, then tell me we can't afford to pay a $6M buyout and $3M or more a year for a head coach.

It has always amazed me how many fans can't figure this out...can't see through that smokescreen. They look at it in a vacuum and say, "dayum, $6 million!! I won't make that in my life time. It's too much!"

[Lard]

Stephens

Supposedly they have already significantly dropped their donations due to the one game being moved.  So who else?

[JoePaul03]

Does anyone think TT still holds a grudge since we passed him over before? And, if he does, how does that grudge compare to the one he may/may not hold against Auburn for the Petrino shenanigans they pulled a few years back?

[Lard]

Does anyone think TT still holds a grudge since we passed him over before? And, if he does, how does that grudge compare to the one he may/may not hold against Auburn for the Petrino shenanigans they pulled a few years back?

Probably but Frank won't be in charge and that is who he was likely pissed at. 

[Mr. Hog]

I suspect Bobby Lowder wouldn't mind letting TT walk from the buyout at a lesser amount, I don't think he cares much for TT. Bobby Lowder is our Jim Lindsey...a big, rich blowhard.

HaHa...now thats funny right there I don't care who you are.

[dougieritch]

I'm sorry guys, I don't regard TT as an elite coach...and I certainly don't believe he is worth us buying him out of his contract at 6 million.  We could get Spurrier for that kind of money!

[Donny2665]

Agreed, don't raise ticket prices yet.  We are going to have a couple of down years, so don't run off potential fans with a price increase for a possibly inferior product.

10.00 a ticket is affordable and would do the trick without making the stadium a Bowl.

[Hawgon]

$50 dollars per ticket should be the price.  Tickets are the least of the expenses in going to a Razorback game.  That would be roughtly 1.4 million per game more money.

I think Auburn may well let Tuberville out of his contract if he means they will then get the guy that some of them have wanted for a long time anyway.  Atlanta is very close to Auburn and Bobby Petrino is unhappy.  They can't fire Tuberville and they can't get Petrino until they have an opening.  Tuberville is boring and Petrino is exciting.  Tuberville has been there a long time.

[lokopig]

while that is a lot of money in a vaccuum, in the context of Arkansas paying it to hire him, it's nothing. The potential return on that investment is so high, it would be money very well spent. I mean, RRS isn't a 45,000 seat stadium. And if it's ever bowled, as it should be, it will seat upwards of 80,000 fans. Raise ticket prices, increase attendance, get better TV deals, etc. The $6 million invested would be made back with Tuberville in a couple of years and then a whole lot of gravy in years after that.




Point is, don't worry about any buyout cost...that will literally not be an issue at all. The issue with Tuberville will be if he'd take the job regardless of what salary Arkansas may offer him. He was snubbed by Arkansas in '98 and he may hold a grudge. Let's hope not.

If it is bowled, it would seat over 90,000. 76,000 for the USC game already is the record. That would be over 15,000 more seats at the very least.

[Doyle Hograves]

Does anyone think TT still holds a grudge since we passed him over before? And, if he does, how does that grudge compare to the one he may/may not hold against Auburn for the Petrino shenanigans they pulled a few years back?

Not as much of a grudge as the one he probably holds against the people he's currently employed with going behind his back trying to get a new coach and then lying about it. Granted, he might have been upset that he didn't get the job to start with but at least we didn't hire him then go behind him and try to get a new coach, then try to cover it all up when questions started to arise.

[Doyle Hograves]

 :razorback:

[MysticHog]

IMO, raising ticket prices is the LAST thing they should do.

Raise mine by 50 bucks a game.  I don't want another Nutt, Tommy or Butch are the only two choices.

[3pigsinafountain]

Tommy Tubberville DOES NOT hold a grudge about the coaching search at Ar 10 years ago.  He is very clear on who played that hand poorly and how much of the responsibility lies on his doorstep. 

that said, it still doesn't mean he would come or ,equally important, be offered.

[tophawg19]

word is that the buyout might be much less than the 6 mil figure .