If we don't hire BD we may regret every T-Giving

[ark30inf]

There's a difference in offering a contract extension and the coach actually signing on the dotted line.
If you don't believe me just ask an Aggie fan.
I'll wait for this to totally play out before I believe it's over and BD is staying put.

i thought the same thing until i read his quote. i dont think he would pill a saban. would he?

Would hope not.  With this statement, ending up with him wouldn't be as good as it would have been.

[biggiepiggie]

Butch hung around all during the 2005 season waiting for the PTB to fire
Houston and they didn't get it done after two losing seasons in a row.  I
saw him at the Southern Cal game in L.A. and I asked Jim Lindsey what he
was doing here and Jim said "it means nothing, nothing at all".  Apparently
he was right.  I hope we can stop talking about Butch now, and start talking
about someone we can get - someone we haven't stiffed before.

[tolerati]

It sounds like it will be someone else...not Davis.

[Hoot72]

     The person that I listened to about this whole deal, said that an offer was made to Butch -- but that he was very hesitant to come into a situation as volatile and unstable as the one at Arkansas.

[Michael Porkleone]

everyone has a source...and it looks like a few were totally bogus.

Only to a few short whitted simple minded post people.
This is Business.   This is fluid.  This is not yet been approved by the UNC board. 
Remember  Nick Saban?

We aren't offering 4 million over 8 years...

[Coondog Hog]

For those comparing this to Nick Saban... Saban is now thought of as a liar and a snake.

Bingo, now if we get Butch we will be getting a liar, we already got one of those.

[Michael Porkleone]

BTW - trust me, I hope I am wrong.

[HogSophist]

I wont regret not having BD nearly as much as i would keeping the status quo....but then again if the status quo remains, i will check out.

[The NewEra]

Statement from Head Coach Butch Davis:
"My family and I felt like Chapel Hill was the right place last year and are even more convinced after being here for one season. I'm appreciative of the show of support from Dick Baddour, the administration, Chancellor Moeser and the Board of Trustees. I'm confident we will continue to make progress in all phases of the football program. Tammy, Drew and I look forward to a long and successful career at the University of North Carolina.  This should put to rest any speculation of where I'll be coaching in the future."

I know this is a fluid situation from the Razorback perspective, but I would say the highlighted line above is pretty clear to me.  What I don't understand is why so many posters on this thread take such joy in the fact that it appears we won't get Davis, and even more so, why it's so important for them to see people on this board that have some inside sources not be right?  Those who have been posting about Butch from day one have said all along that what they are hearing is in the now, and that things are ever changing around the who will be the next coach situation.

[hognelson]

If it does indeed happen, I already regret it.

[HootieHaterfromALA]

Butch is staying at North Carolina because we told him that JJ has agreed in principle to a contract at Ar.

here is the source:

www.Iamdreamin.com

[OKhogfan1959]

Clear enough to me..Move on..He's not the only great candidate out there..Let's not waste time worrying baout Butch..

He ain't coming..Ok..There are plenty of others..Leach might be fine with a great defensive co ordinator. I watched that win over OU and that was impressive. Venebales might be great with a great offensive co ordinator..Like Gus..LOL..

[PolishPigPower]

I realize that what is being said in this thread about the fluidity of the situation is absolutely correct in fact.  However...

It would look appalling to both us and BD if he were to make a statement like that only to back out of the orally agreed terms.  I think we can scratch him off our list, if for no other reason than the public backlash something like this would create.  I also realize that Saban did something similar, but that was leaving an NFL team to come back to the college ranks.  That's different than moving from one college team to another.

[johnsonswitch]

Honestly, I don't think getting B.Davis guarantees us anything. Look at Bama's loss to a Sunbelt school last week. That may have been where we were headed next year with a 4 million dollar coach and a mediocre season. Saban may turn it around, he may not.

My opinion is that whoever gets the job is going to get a two-year pass regarding wins and losses. Don't think this will happen, but why not give Gus Malzahn that time to get his HC experience and see what he can do? No, I'm not some sort of Lindsey troll, I just think the guy is the future of college football. He has a Tom Landry like view of discipline and integrity. He IS very young, but I think all the arguments against this are from people who are too much a part of the old college football world. In essence, they believe that you just don't hire guys without HC experience to coach an SEC team. They also believe you don't just hire a high-school coach to be an OC in the SEC. Yet, the guy freaking hit home runs last year, even with all the crap he had to work through, and he's hitting home runs this year with Tulsa. HDN would have left in the middle of the night if he was a young assistant who got put thru the ringer like that.

Well...I guess we'll see over the next five years who does better. Noone can say right now, but I'd put my money on GM every day of the week. He's gonna' do it somewhere, why not here?

[Piglatin]

Only a one year extension? This doesnt seem to strong to me. Including this extension what would we have throw out there to match?

Well he already had 6 years left on his present contract before this extension. 

[TheHogFan]

http://northcarolina.scout.com/a.z?s=78&p=2&c=704167

Yikes!
What say ye 'bout this?

Not being a hater, but could we hear from some of those whos said this was a done deal?
Curious what happened.

We got played by someone we were tld by the insiders, "bled red and white".

What a joke!

He played himself into a fat new contract after a 3-8 season. Using his alma mater as the pawn! I don't want to hear again how admirable BD is.

[HootieHaterfromALA]

Saban may turn it around, he may not.

I can assure you he will turn it around at Alabama. Much as I hate to say it....Alabama will be the power in the West in 3 yrs!

[OneLardAlmighty]

My guess is that this is exactly what it looks like.  We've had every good chance to get Butch Davis and thanks to Big Jim, we've blown it.  I won't even be surprised at this point if we're stuck with Dale.  The PTB have given us no reason to believe that they won't screw things up, and I include the hiring of Pelphrey in that. 

However, if it's not what it appears to be, it's a pretty astute move on Butch's part.  Here is one last signal to Big Jim and John White that it's time to fish or get off the pot.

[jb11]

everyone has a source...and it looks like a few were totally bogus.

New year, same verse

[rocksalt]

One thing people are not considering is the fact that FB is still here even though he will be "retired".  What remains to be seen is whether or not the strings have been cut.  Seasoned coaches will no doubt keep that in mind if an offer is presented.

[press ham]

My guess is that this is exactly what it looks like.  We've had every good chance to get Butch Davis and thanks to Big Jim, we've blown it.  I won't even be surprised at this point if we're stuck with Dale.  The PTB have given us no reason to believe that they won't screw things up, and I include the hiring of Pelphrey in that. 

However, if it's not what it appears to be, it's a pretty astute move on Butch's part.  Here is one last signal to Big Jim and John White that it's time to fish or get off the pot.

i agree. i bet butch would have come home if he had the FULL support of the BOT.

[NedBeattySquealed]

Arrrrrrrrrrrrrghhhhhhh!!!!!

Well, now that I've expelled that, on to Plan C.

I doubt they'll do it, but what about Jeff Tedford?

[RazorbackNutt]

The more I think about it the closer I get to thinking there is no way anyone with big money in the state of arkansas has the balls to shell some of it out for a big name.  Jimmy Johnson or Butch Davis Caliber coach is the only way our program doesn't take a step down.

[HogSophist]

The more I think about it the closer I get to thinking there is no way anyone with big money in the state of arkansas has the balls to shell some of it out for a big name.  Jimmy Johnson or Butch Davis Caliber coach is the only way our program doesn't take a step down.

compared to the current situation? How so?

[blue]

Well, then we are going to regret it because he just signed an extension with UNC and has said he is staying put.  Let the regret begin.

He hasn't signed it.

[whydidwehirenutt]

look clowns that keep stiring the pot, there is another post on here that says he is still coming here. He has agreed in principle and has a verbal agreement to sign it. He has approved it, only thing left is the BOT to agree and it is done. It is for sure he is staying. I will put my money where my mouth is. Quit making up crap and if you are so sure, i will take your lunch money. HE"S not coming here

[grayhawg]

YES we can!

[GorillaHog]

Interesting we aren't hearing from those with all these great SOURCES!

[Cajun Hog]

and I ask again, did he sign it?



Pulled out....

NO.... it's the oh a agree to it and I will sign it later. 

[razorbackkid]

At least he didn't go to Texas A&M.....it's another moral victory for us.

[whydidwehirenutt]

yeah, the ones in the know have dissapeared, Imigine that. I said this last week and got slapped around. Next time ask for proof before you believe anything on here

[flynhog]

CHAPEL HILL, N.C. --- The University of North Carolina has agreed in principle to a 1-year contract extension and a raise of $291,000 for head football coach Butch Davis, pending approval of the University Board of Trustees next week.

"My family and I felt like Chapel Hill was the right place last year and are even more convinced after being here for one season," Butch Davis said. "I'm appreciative of the show of support from Dick Baddour, the administration, Chancellor Moeser and the Board of Trustees. I'm confident we will continue to make progress in all phases of the football program. Tammy, Drew and I look forward to a long and successful career at the University of North Carolina. This should put to rest any speculation of where I'll be coaching in the future."
Athletic Director Dick Baddour also released a statement on the situation.

"We recognize the progress Coach Davis has made in rebuilding and generating momentum in the Carolina football program," Baddour said. "Progress has been demonstrated by the hard work of the players on and off the field, the competitive games Carolina has played against one of the nation's most difficult schedules, the excitement each week at Kenan Stadium and the quality of the student-athletes he and his staff are recruiting.

"We approached Coach Davis about the possibility of extending and enhancing his contract several weeks ago. We recognize that we have one of the nation's best coaches and we wanted to ensure the stability of the program. We were aggressive in pursuing Coach Davis last year before the season ended and we wanted to be ahead of the curve this year."




Doesn't say he signed it.  Sounds like political positioning to me. 

[Semper Hogelis]

Sweet. Been on all of the Butch loving post getting flammed. Dude hasn't had a winning season sense 2000 in his last year at Miami. He flopped with the Browns, and is 3-8 with NC. No success coaching in 7 years. And for those thinking he is from Arkansas. Not so. He's from Bixby, Oklahoma. He did play here. I could care less if our next coach played here, or is a native. But I would like to have someone that has had a winning record in the last 7 years.

[clockwisehog]

What are we freaking waiting for.  Fire Nutt before it's too late.  As I've said before, I fear the sack of Nutts ain't going anywhere.  I know there will be the same posters saying "It's a Done Deal", "He's gone", "Be Patient".  Well my friends, what are they waiting for?  What is to be gained by not announcing it TODAY!!!!!!!  Nothing, unless they are waiting to see if he pulls off the miracle win and so they keep him.  I can't see any other reason.  If they think they can wait him out and he'll leave on his own, well that tactic scares the sh*t out of me.  What if he doesn't.  Meanwhile, other teams are wrapping up coaching positions and we'll be stuck holding the SACK for another miserable year.  GET IT DONE!!!!

[RazorbackNutt]

The more I think about it the closer I get to thinking there is no way anyone with big money in the state of arkansas has the balls to shell some of it out for a big name.  Jimmy Johnson or Butch Davis Caliber coach is the only way our program doesn't take a step down.

compared to the current situation? How so?

I could explain but hating everything about Houston Nutt is too popular on this board for it to make any sense.

[Corkscrew Johnson]

"Agreed in principle".  Not contractually binding.  This is Butch protecting his interests if things don't work out with Arkansas or Texas A&M.  Then at least he got an extra $300,000 out of the fiasco. 

Will he look bad to UNC for playing the game?  Not really, they will be elated that he turned down two football schools from powerhouse conferences to coach at their little basketball university.

This is just posturing.

[The Marmot]

The more I think about it the closer I get to thinking there is no way anyone with big money in the state of arkansas has the balls to shell some of it out for a big name.  Jimmy Johnson or Butch Davis Caliber coach is the only way our program doesn't take a step down.

How the hell do you put Jimmy Johnson and Butch Davis as the same caliber of coach??

[Tusks]

why should it change now....the list of coaches PASSED over or not picked is a who's who of championship coaches.

SOB on the hill.

[razorbackkid]

What are we freaking waiting for.  Fire Nutt before it's too late.  As I've said before, I fear the sack of Nutts ain't going anywhere.  I know there will be the same posters saying "It's a Done Deal", "He's gone", "Be Patient".  Well my friends, what are they waiting for?  What is to be gained by not announcing it TODAY!!!!!!!  Nothing, unless they are waiting to see if he pulls off the miracle win and so they keep him.  I can't see any other reason.  If they think they can wait him out and he'll leave on his own, well that tactic scares the sh*t out of me.  What if he doesn't.  Meanwhile, other teams are wrapping up coaching positions and we'll be stuck holding the SACK for another miserable year.  GET IT DONE!!!!

Hire Willie Nelson!!!!

[HogSophist]

The more I think about it the closer I get to thinking there is no way anyone with big money in the state of arkansas has the balls to shell some of it out for a big name.  Jimmy Johnson or Butch Davis Caliber coach is the only way our program doesn't take a step down.

compared to the current situation? How so?

I could explain but hating everything about Houston Nutt is too popular on this board for it to make any sense.

so does that mean you cant?

I would love to see the objective argument based on success, winning percentages, etc.... (or whatever your particular criteria is) that anyone other than Jimmy Johnson or Butch Davis (or that "caliber"(whatever that means)) is a step down from Nutt.

[nahnahrenee]

What are we freaking waiting for.  Fire Nutt before it's too late.  As I've said before, I fear the sack of Nutts ain't going anywhere.  I know there will be the same posters saying "It's a Done Deal", "He's gone", "Be Patient".  Well my friends, what are they waiting for?  What is to be gained by not announcing it TODAY!!!!!!!  Nothing, unless they are waiting to see if he pulls off the miracle win and so they keep him.  I can't see any other reason.  If they think they can wait him out and he'll leave on his own, well that tactic scares the sh*t out of me.  What if he doesn't.  Meanwhile, other teams are wrapping up coaching positions and we'll be stuck holding the SACK for another miserable year.  GET IT DONE!!!!

+100  I've been saying this for a month.  It's killing our chances of getting a top notch coach.  But maybe that's the idea too.

[Semper Hogelis]

Other than Butch playing here for 4 years. What's to regret. He did a great job with Miami. 7 YEARS AGO! Dude tanked with the Browns, and now he's 3-8 at UNC. No success in 7 years coaching. He's not a native. He's from Bixby, Oklahoma. I don't get the Butch love. Other than he lettered here back in the day. As a coach he's done nothing sense 2000.

[ark30inf]

why should it change now....the list of coaches PASSED over or not picked is a who's who of championship coaches.

SOB on the hill.

Remember, the same pickers picked Dana Altman.  Dana Altman.  Let that sink in.  How much faith do we have in getting a big time coach?

Holtz won a NC after being tossed here.  Jimmy Johnson won NC and Super Bowl after being passed over here.  Switzer....well ok.  Butch Davis.  Tuberville.  Is there a pattern developing?

[Hogginitall]

Other than Butch playing here for 4 years. What's to regret. He did a great job with Miami. 7 YEARS AGO! Dude tanked with the Browns, and now he's 3-8 at UNC. No success in 7 years coaching. He's not a native. He's from Bixby, Oklahoma. I don't get the Butch love. Other than he lettered here back in the day. As a coach he's done nothing sense 2000.

You're crazy...

[Tusks]

The more I think about it the closer I get to thinking there is no way anyone with big money in the state of arkansas has the balls to shell some of it out for a big name.  Jimmy Johnson or Butch Davis Caliber coach is the only way our program doesn't take a step down.

How the hell do you put Jimmy Johnson and Butch Davis as the same caliber of coach??

Theres a lot less delta between JJ and BD than hooten and BD.

[James Hawgfield]

http://northcarolina.scout.com/a.z?s=78&p=2&c=704167

Yikes!
What say ye 'bout this?

Not being a hater, but could we hear from some of those whos said this was a done deal?
Curious what happened.

Thanks, Big Jim.

Why do we show him any respect by calling him "Big". To me he is very small and petty.

[The Marmot]

"Tammy, Drew and I look forward to a long and successful career at the University of North Carolina. This should put to rest any speculation of where I'll be coaching in the future," he said.

I would be happy with Butch Davis as our new coach, but after agreeing in principle to a new contract and saying this, he would be put in the same category as Nick Saban if he took a job elsewhere.... a liar and a snake. In fact, the situation today has been compared to the Saban situation.

[Hoot72]

     Personally, with all of this coming out of North Carolina, if he ends up coming to the University of Arkansas -- he will start out with one strike against him.  If he, and his family, feel this way -- they need to stay there.  Period.  End of story.

[The Marmot]

Link to any interview?

The same one thats been out there all afternoon

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=3122494

[jrparrish]

I guess he wants to enjoy not having the pressure to win more than 4 or 5 ballgames a year. good for him.