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PlayCallinBrotha

I've heard this twice from two different sources who have been right in the past, regarding Gus. Im not saying it's true, just wondering if anyone else has heard this????

I looked on a Tulsa and Texas board but couldn't find anything.

grayhawg

I sure hope not, we play them next year.

 

MinowBucket

Who is Texas' OC right now? Are they going to fire him for some reason?

HoopS

Greg Davis aka Mack Brown's best friend.  If they are in the market for an OC, there has been a monumental change.  One that their fans have wanted and their coach has not. 

May I ask, source?

Silver Hog

If this is true I hope Nutt stays now.

slopinhogs

win lose or tie i'll call the hogs till i die

GrumpyHog

I've heard this rumor more than once. Don't see it happening.

The Marmot

Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:05:30 pm
If this is true I hope Nutt stays now.

You just showed your true colors. Idiot.
I was booooorn to love you... I was booooorn to lick your face... I was booooorn to rub you... but you were born to rub me first - Ty Webb

Quote from: WilsonHog on October 28, 2014, 06:59:50 pm
The fact that you can type the words doesn't stop the thought behind those words from being horseshit.

GO HOGS!!!!!!!

Pork Twain

Quote from: PlayCallinBrotha on November 20, 2007, 02:59:19 pm
I've heard this twice from two different sources who have been right in the past, regarding Gus. Im not saying it's true, just wondering if anyone else has heard this????

I looked on a Tulsa and Texas board but couldn't find anything.
Everyone has been right at some point in the past, even HDN.
"It is better to be an optimist and proven wrong, than a pessimist and proven right." ~Pork Twain

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coachp

Heard the same thing.  Greg Davis's wif has wanted him to retire but I do not see it going down.  Texas is loaded the next two years and then both he and mack call it quits.

RT1941

Why would Texas need a new OC?  The team will be loaded next year, why bring in a new OC?
RazorTusk!!!!

flynhog

If Hootie goes to Baylor then Mack and Gus can beat his a$$ without beating the Hogs.

Nice Win-Win, but not for Hootie the owl.
Wins are the only things that matter when the game ends.  The mistakes that happen in the game are corrected by good coaching during the week. A season of near losses means you won every game.

Silver Hog

Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:08:34 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:05:30 pm
If this is true I hope Nutt stays now.

You just showed your true colors. Idiot.

Watching Nutt take it in the kisser from Gus, using the enemy of Texas as the weapon ,would totally wipe out his cotton bowl win memory, the only thing I ever liked him for before.

 

Jim

Quote from: RT1941 on November 20, 2007, 03:16:14 pm
Why would Texas need a new OC?  The team will be loaded next year, why bring in a new OC?

This is exactly the same question we asked ourselves after "Gus-gate" and the midnight negotiations and subsequent hiring of David Lee.

The Marmot

Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:18:40 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:08:34 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:05:30 pm
If this is true I hope Nutt stays now.

You just showed your true colors. Idiot.

Watching Nutt take it in the kisser from Gus, using the enemy of Texas as the weapon ,would totally wipe out his cotton bowl win memory, the only thing I ever liked him for before.

Nothing justifies wanting Nutt to stay. You have blind loyalty to Gus Malzahn, not the UA program.

Pathetic.
I was booooorn to love you... I was booooorn to lick your face... I was booooorn to rub you... but you were born to rub me first - Ty Webb

Quote from: WilsonHog on October 28, 2014, 06:59:50 pm
The fact that you can type the words doesn't stop the thought behind those words from being horseshit.

GO HOGS!!!!!!!

TransAmHawg

NNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It'll Shine When it Shines
 
Ol Frank has finally $h!t in his own lunch box!!!

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  It's their choice to bite the pillow or look over their shoulder lovingly.
  Either way we're on top..!"   
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Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson

I have several friends here in TX that are huge horns fans.  A couple of them have mentioned several times that they would like GM to replace Greg Davis.  They feel like they should be putting up more points considering the talent they have on the field.  Sound familiar?  Just because they have said they would like him in no way means it will happen.  Simply that they want their program to be as good as it can be.   Of course the same guys also wonder why TX defense struggles so much at times considering their talent.  So who knows.
Let's make some waves.

Silver Hog

Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:21:55 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:18:40 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:08:34 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:05:30 pm
If this is true I hope Nutt stays now.

You just showed your true colors. Idiot.

Watching Nutt take it in the kisser from Gus, using the enemy of Texas as the weapon ,would totally wipe out his cotton bowl win memory, the only thing I ever liked him for before.

Nothing justifies wanting Nutt to stay. You have blind loyalty to Gus Malzahn, not the UA program.

Pathetic.

I wouldn't mind at all, and have stated several times before that nutt should suffer through 2008.  He thinks the pain has peaked now, he hasn't seen anything yet.  And Gus whooping Nutt is icing on the cake.  First he'll do it with Tulsa, then Texas. 

darkhogfan

Quote from: PlayCallinBrotha on November 20, 2007, 02:59:19 pm
I've heard this twice from two different sources who have been right in the past, regarding Gus. Im not saying it's true, just wondering if anyone else has heard this????

I looked on a Tulsa and Texas board but couldn't find anything.


You speak blasphemy!
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hogfan47

Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:21:55 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:18:40 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:08:34 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:05:30 pm
If this is true I hope Nutt stays now.

You just showed your true colors. Idiot.

Watching Nutt take it in the kisser from Gus, using the enemy of Texas as the weapon ,would totally wipe out his cotton bowl win memory, the only thing I ever liked him for before.

Nothing justifies wanting Nutt to stay. You have blind loyalty to Gus Malzahn, not the UA program.

Pathetic.






dang someone else gets it
C L martin

Fort Smith Ark    

start the healing process now

bigyellowdog

Why not?  Texas would be a great place for him to get valuable experience. He would have 4 and 5 star recruits to show off what his offense can really do.  This would parlay into a head coaching job in about 3 seasons.  He could get some head coaching experience and be ready to come back to Fayetteville as the head coach of the Hogs after that.   :D


WPS!!! 

Silver Hog

Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:21:55 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:18:40 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:08:34 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:05:30 pm
If this is true I hope Nutt stays now.

You just showed your true colors. Idiot.

Watching Nutt take it in the kisser from Gus, using the enemy of Texas as the weapon ,would totally wipe out his cotton bowl win memory, the only thing I ever liked him for before.

Nothing justifies wanting Nutt to stay. You have blind loyalty to Gus Malzahn, not the UA program.

Pathetic.

Actually it is more blind hatred of Nutt and wanting to see him suffer!

The Marmot

Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:40:55 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:21:55 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:18:40 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:08:34 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:05:30 pm
If this is true I hope Nutt stays now.

You just showed your true colors. Idiot.

Watching Nutt take it in the kisser from Gus, using the enemy of Texas as the weapon ,would totally wipe out his cotton bowl win memory, the only thing I ever liked him for before.

Nothing justifies wanting Nutt to stay. You have blind loyalty to Gus Malzahn, not the UA program.

Pathetic.

Actually it is more blind hatred of Nutt and wanting to see him suffer!

Whatever. You stated that if Gus went to TX you would want Nutt to stay. That would be a complete detriment to the program and to the fanbase.

Blind loyalty to Gus. Blind hatred for Nutt. No thought about the program or fanbase. Like I said, pathetic.
I was booooorn to love you... I was booooorn to lick your face... I was booooorn to rub you... but you were born to rub me first - Ty Webb

Quote from: WilsonHog on October 28, 2014, 06:59:50 pm
The fact that you can type the words doesn't stop the thought behind those words from being horseshit.

GO HOGS!!!!!!!

woghild


GUS, COME HOME TO ARKANSAS WHERE YOU BELONG,
AND WHERE YOU ARE LOVED.

 

Silver Hog

Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:45:27 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:40:55 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:21:55 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:18:40 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:08:34 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:05:30 pm
If this is true I hope Nutt stays now.

You just showed your true colors. Idiot.

Watching Nutt take it in the kisser from Gus, using the enemy of Texas as the weapon ,would totally wipe out his cotton bowl win memory, the only thing I ever liked him for before.

Nothing justifies wanting Nutt to stay. You have blind loyalty to Gus Malzahn, not the UA program.

Pathetic.

Actually it is more blind hatred of Nutt and wanting to see him suffer!

Whatever. You stated that if Gus went to TX you would want Nutt to stay. That would be a complete detriment to the program and to the fanbase.

Blind loyalty to Gus. Blind hatred for Nutt. No thought about the program or fanbase. Like I said, pathetic.

Stop pretending like you care what I think.  You don't want Gus here anyway, and you don't really want Nutt gone either.

PolishPigPower

I would think that if GM went to Texas, that would effectively burn a bridge back to Arkansas, at least in many minds within the fanbase.  Before I get blasted for saying anything negative about Gus, please understand that I personally think the world of the man, and believe him to be the most inteligent coach to ever originate within our state.  But there are many people still out there that wouldn't ever get over him coaching for the Longhorns, and I can at least understand why they'd have those feelings.
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DevilHog

I have heard it too. I don't know if it will happen, but I've heard it mentioned as a possiblity

Hog Fan n Tx

Wrong school in Texas.  It is Baylor that wants Gus.  They told Nutt he can be HC only if he has GM as OC.



Just kidding

www.cutthenutt.com

BroyledNutts

Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:45:27 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:40:55 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:21:55 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:18:40 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:08:34 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:05:30 pm
If this is true I hope Nutt stays now.

You just showed your true colors. Idiot.

Watching Nutt take it in the kisser from Gus, using the enemy of Texas as the weapon ,would totally wipe out his cotton bowl win memory, the only thing I ever liked him for before.

Nothing justifies wanting Nutt to stay. You have blind loyalty to Gus Malzahn, not the UA program.

Pathetic.

Actually it is more blind hatred of Nutt and wanting to see him suffer!

Whatever. You stated that if Gus went to TX you would want Nutt to stay. That would be a complete detriment to the program and to the fanbase.

Blind loyalty to Gus. Blind hatred for Nutt. No thought about the program or fanbase. Like I said, pathetic.



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The Marmot

Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:50:07 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:45:27 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:40:55 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:21:55 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:18:40 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:08:34 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:05:30 pm
If this is true I hope Nutt stays now.

You just showed your true colors. Idiot.

Watching Nutt take it in the kisser from Gus, using the enemy of Texas as the weapon ,would totally wipe out his cotton bowl win memory, the only thing I ever liked him for before.

Nothing justifies wanting Nutt to stay. You have blind loyalty to Gus Malzahn, not the UA program.

Pathetic.

Actually it is more blind hatred of Nutt and wanting to see him suffer!

Whatever. You stated that if Gus went to TX you would want Nutt to stay. That would be a complete detriment to the program and to the fanbase.

Blind loyalty to Gus. Blind hatred for Nutt. No thought about the program or fanbase. Like I said, pathetic.

Stop pretending like you care what I think.  You don't want Gus here anyway, and you don't really want Nutt gone either.


You're right, I dont really care what you think. Especially after the drivel you put out today. And you're right again... I don't think Malzahn should be hired as our HC right now. I think he needs more NCAA experience and success... but in the off chance they did hire him, he would have my total support. I've got nothing against him personally.

And you and I both know how I feel about Nutt. I have expressed it in this thread and countless others. You've just got your panties in a wad and are trying throw some "hugger" junk at me. Ain't gonna work. In fact, you've just proved that if Gus goes to TX, you'd become a "hugger".
I was booooorn to love you... I was booooorn to lick your face... I was booooorn to rub you... but you were born to rub me first - Ty Webb

Quote from: WilsonHog on October 28, 2014, 06:59:50 pm
The fact that you can type the words doesn't stop the thought behind those words from being horseshit.

GO HOGS!!!!!!!

Silver Hog

Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 04:03:17 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:50:07 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:45:27 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:40:55 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:21:55 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:18:40 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:08:34 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:05:30 pm
If this is true I hope Nutt stays now.

You just showed your true colors. Idiot.

Watching Nutt take it in the kisser from Gus, using the enemy of Texas as the weapon ,would totally wipe out his cotton bowl win memory, the only thing I ever liked him for before.

Nothing justifies wanting Nutt to stay. You have blind loyalty to Gus Malzahn, not the UA program.

Pathetic.

Actually it is more blind hatred of Nutt and wanting to see him suffer!

Whatever. You stated that if Gus went to TX you would want Nutt to stay. That would be a complete detriment to the program and to the fanbase.

Blind loyalty to Gus. Blind hatred for Nutt. No thought about the program or fanbase. Like I said, pathetic.

Stop pretending like you care what I think.  You don't want Gus here anyway, and you don't really want Nutt gone either.


You're right, I dont really care what you think. Especially after the drivel you put out today. And you're right again... I don't think Malzahn should be hired as our HC right now. I think he needs more NCAA experience and success... but in the off chance they did hire him, he would have my total support. I've got nothing against him personally.

And you and I both know how I feel about Nutt. I have expressed it in this thread and countless others. You've just got your panties in a wad and are trying throw some "hugger" junk at me. Ain't gonna work. In fact, you've just proved that if Gus goes to TX, you'd become a "hugger".

sorry bud, me wanting to see nutt suffer doesn't make me anywher near a hugger. 

Hoot72

     Gus will not leave Tulsa for another OC job.  He will not leave until he is going somewhere as the head coach, and, shoot, he might be the next head coach at Tulsa.

JShipCPA

I'd have to believe that Major Applewhite would have to given major consideration if the Texas OC job became available...

That said, Gus has forgotten more football than MA knows...

Cavehog

Geez I had to take meds to get myself to root for the Hogs to lose, now I have to root for Texas to win?  I don't think there's enough Prozac at Walgreens...
If you never streaked down Sorority Row, caught the Bud Man twice in one night, or threw a pitcher of beer under the table when ABC came into the Hog Trough . . . you're just a wannabe.

GWFan

Quote from: Hoot72 on November 20, 2007, 04:13:57 pm
     Gus will not leave Tulsa for another OC job.  He will not leave until he is going somewhere as the head coach, and, shoot, he might be the next head coach at Tulsa Arkansas.
fixed.

jfb4ever

             Gus is going to WIN! Do we have enough sense to hire him, or let Texas have Him????

leftymgp

In my football conversations with people here in Texas I have heard some complain about offensive coordinating.  But, Gus to Texas seems a little far fetched right now.

razorbackkid

Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 04:07:38 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 04:03:17 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:50:07 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:45:27 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:40:55 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:21:55 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:18:40 pm
Quote from: The Marmot on November 20, 2007, 03:08:34 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:05:30 pm
If this is true I hope Nutt stays now.

You just showed your true colors. Idiot.

Watching Nutt take it in the kisser from Gus, using the enemy of Texas as the weapon ,would totally wipe out his cotton bowl win memory, the only thing I ever liked him for before.

Nothing justifies wanting Nutt to stay. You have blind loyalty to Gus Malzahn, not the UA program.

Pathetic.

Actually it is more blind hatred of Nutt and wanting to see him suffer!

Whatever. You stated that if Gus went to TX you would want Nutt to stay. That would be a complete detriment to the program and to the fanbase.

Blind loyalty to Gus. Blind hatred for Nutt. No thought about the program or fanbase. Like I said, pathetic.

Stop pretending like you care what I think.  You don't want Gus here anyway, and you don't really want Nutt gone either.


You're right, I dont really care what you think. Especially after the drivel you put out today. And you're right again... I don't think Malzahn should be hired as our HC right now. I think he needs more NCAA experience and success... but in the off chance they did hire him, he would have my total support. I've got nothing against him personally.

And you and I both know how I feel about Nutt. I have expressed it in this thread and countless others. You've just got your panties in a wad and are trying throw some "hugger" junk at me. Ain't gonna work. In fact, you've just proved that if Gus goes to TX, you'd become a "hugger".

sorry bud, me wanting to see nutt suffer doesn't make me anywher near a hugger. 

I ain't got no dog in this fight....but....he ain't bud.

budcampbellfan told me so.
I would rather live as if there is a God and find out there isn't, than to live as if there isn't and find out there is.

Big Dog

Where did Greg Davis coach before Texas?   Arkansas

He is the reason Texas's Offense suck because he coach here!!!!

Pa-Paw

There is a post on the Texas board concerning Greg Davis taking the job at SMU.

Razorbacking02

November 20, 2007, 06:55:52 pm #40 Last Edit: November 20, 2007, 06:57:35 pm by Razorbacking02
Quote from: HoopSlap on November 20, 2007, 03:05:04 pm
Greg Davis aka Mack Brown's best friend.  If they are in the market for an OC, there has been a monumental change.  One that their fans have wanted and their coach has not. 

May I ask, source?

As someone who follows Texas football very closely, I would be shocked to see this happen. First off, as stated earlier, Mack Brown is very close with his OC... who are just two years removed from winning a national title. If Davis does leave, it will be on his own.

And even if Davis leaves, Gus isn't going to be the man who replaces him. If a move is made, the coach that is brought in will be someone who people outside NWA recongizes, since Texas is a national program, not a regional one.

If Gus does go to Texas, it will be as a QB or WR coach.

MsNuttsandBolts

MsNuttsandBolts   :@)

FavreHog

Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:05:30 pm
If this is true I hope Nutt stays now.
That is the stupidest thing I have heard.  I bet you jack off to Wally hall's columns.

seattlehog

November 20, 2007, 07:07:46 pm #43 Last Edit: November 20, 2007, 07:14:16 pm by seattlehog
Greg Davis's unpopularity in Texas is epic.  Kirk Bohls says Davis is getting a sniff from SMU, which would mean Mack could be looking for a new OC.  The push for Applewhite will be huge, but Gus can't be discounted.

http://www.statesman.com/blogs/content/shared-gen/blogs/austin/bohls/entries/2007/11/20/davis_smubound.html

Razorbacking02

Previous "stupidest thing I have heard"...
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:05:30 pm
If this is true I hope Nutt stays now.



Newest "stupidest thing I have heard"...
Quote from: FavreHog on November 20, 2007, 07:03:08 pm
That is the stupidest thing I have heard.  I bet you jack off to Wally hall's columns.


:puke:

And SeattleHog... if a new OC is found, Applewhite would be the man I HOPE gets the job.

rushhog

Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:05:30 pm
If this is true I hope Nutt stays now.
Swisshog, I think you have the wrong board. This is Hogville not tulsaville or ilovegusville!

jmark

Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:05:30 pm
If this is true I hope Nutt stays now.

I'm all for Nutt to suffer.  If he stays here, I'll help him suffer.

Carry On, swisshog.
40/29 News Confirms Houston Nutt Will Not Return In 2008
POSTED: 3:49 pm CST November 16, 2007

rushhog

Quote from: jmark on November 20, 2007, 07:16:58 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:05:30 pm
If this is true I hope Nutt stays now.
Carry On, swisshog
I'm all for Nutt to suffer.  If he stays here, I'll help him suffer.

Let me understand ...please. You people are supposed to be Hog fans, Correct? If that's so you CAN'T cheer against the Hogs. You had rather Tulsa win and the hogs lose? Real fans! GO to Tulsa! Let me guess your age, you're probably somewhere between the age of 16-25, someone who thinks they have the world by the tail, but the world is getting ready to whip you around pretty good. You don't remember the world of Jack Crowe and Danny "4 wins a Year" Ford. The fact that you have a Tulsa helmet by your sig says alot. You are not a hog fan, but a Gusslut!

jmark

Quote from: rushhog on November 20, 2007, 07:54:43 pm
Quote from: jmark on November 20, 2007, 07:16:58 pm
Quote from: swisshog on November 20, 2007, 03:05:30 pm
If this is true I hope Nutt stays now.
Carry On, swisshog
I'm all for Nutt to suffer.  If he stays here, I'll help him suffer.

Let me understand ...please. You people are supposed to be Hog fans, Correct? If that's so you CAN'T cheer against the Hogs. You had rather Tulsa win and the hogs lose? Real fans! GO to Tulsa! Let me guess your age, you're probably somewhere between the age of 16-25, someone who thinks they have the world by the tail, but the world is getting ready to whip you around pretty good. You don't remember the world of Jack Crowe and Danny "4 wins a Year" Ford. The fact that you have a Tulsa helmet by your sig says alot. You are not a hog fan, but a Gusslut!



If I'm a Gusslut, what does that make you?  A fan of NO INTEGRITY. 

"Do anything you want Hooten, run off that OCOTY and that 5 star qb.  Have your wife beat the hell out the qb's mom with a 2x4.  That'll teach them to mess with a 10 win season."
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POSTED: 3:49 pm CST November 16, 2007

RazorNoles

Quote from: JShipCPA on November 20, 2007, 04:16:45 pm
I'd have to believe that Major Applewhite would have to given major consideration if the Texas OC job became available...

That said, Gus has forgotten more football than MA knows...

Its pretty safe to say that Major Applewhite will be available after this year. I wasn't impressed in the least with his offense or his development of JP Wilson.