CLAY CHOOSES?

[jkstock04]

I'm sorry...but I don't see why yall are making such a big deal about this Charles Clay kid.....I say we take our chances with Brandon Barnett and Micheal Harris.  This staff seems perfectly capable of recruiting good running backs in my opinion.  Whats funny about it to me is that people would gripe about it if we got him...and say he wasn't top quality....But these same people will gripe when we don't get him blaming it on the coaches and be mad as hell about it, makes no sense to me....

[HogNuttz]

The fence is useless.  If we did not sign one Ar kid it would not kill us.  If we did not sign out of staters, we would die.  When are you people goinmg to finally admit, that in most years, AR produces MAYBE 4 SEC calibre players, that will actually contribute.  The time wasted recruiting in state kids could be used much better.  Look at Butch Davis.  He got 1 of the top 11 in NC, still had a great class.  I am not saying HDN is a good recruiter, coach or anything, I am saying that you guys worry too much about the in state kids.  Unless, of course, you think that in state kids are important to having a great team, but I am told repeatedly that is not the case.

Any arguement you can use to justify players going to Tulsa being o.k., can be turned around and used against you.  However, the opposite is not true, so I would venture to say you are losing the arguement.  And by the way, Arkansas typically produces AT LEAST four 4-star players a year.  If you really think the state produces 4 SEC caliber players a year, you need to have your head checked.  Springdale last year.  One school, one year, four players that would have had playing time as true freshmen if they all went to Arkansas, one that redshirted, and a kicker who would have started for our team as a high school junior.  I know this is the exception to the rule, but this is just one school in one year.

[Silver Hog]

GO GUS, GO TULSA

Why are you not on their site proclaiming the awsomeness of their 80 or lower ranked class?

Why are we losing players to a 80 or lower team?

The consensus here is why do we want a kid who a 106 class school wants?  So with that logic and in my eyes, Clay must not be SEC material.  Right?

This makes NO sense whatsoever.  You don't think that ASU and Tulane and FIU don't want the #1 player in the land to come to their school?  So the fact that ASU would like the #1 player means we should not bother with them?  That means we stay home since ALL schools want ALL the good players, and that is why the players get to pick and choose where they go.

You don't read much here or any other Hog message board do you.

It's ALWAYS based on what other schools are attempting to get the kids services.  If we get one who Tulsa is on, he's no good.  If we lose one to Tulsa, it's Gus or HDN.

you know, that would be like Tennessee saying "Oh that kid got recruited by Ark, he's not worth our effort now, he must be worthless"

[WrigleyvilleHog]

People forget the principle of the matter...he chose the little hurricanes over the Razorbacks...that's sad! Horrible HDN!

but, seriously, he is listed on rivals as a 6ft tall, DB that runs a 4.72 40 yd dash...how many furlongs would he be behind Percy Harvin as he blows right by him...Cole was awesome in high school- i'm gonna go ahead and not give him the benefit of the doubt.  

[HoggieStyle]

The fact that Tulsais a Conference USA school, and has a 106th rated class only emphasizes how shiity our recruiting is.  Houston can't even get a committment from an instate kid, after a 10 win season, when he actually had no other SEC caliber schools offer.  Am I the only one who sees this as F**KING RIDICULOUS??

Nope, you're not.

[cmoorehogs]

Thanks for the Oaklawn info, HawgG

[Sao Ming]

GO GUS, GO TULSA

Why are you not on their site proclaiming the awsomeness of their 80 or lower ranked class?

Why are we losing players to a 80 or lower team?

The consensus here is why do we want a kid who a 106 class school wants?  So with that logic and in my eyes, Clay must not be SEC material.  Right?

This makes NO sense whatsoever.  You don't think that ASU and Tulane and FIU don't want the #1 player in the land to come to their school?  So the fact that ASU would like the #1 player means we should not bother with them?  That means we stay home since ALL schools want ALL the good players, and that is why the players get to pick and choose where they go.

You don't read much here or any other Hog message board do you.

It's ALWAYS based on what other schools are attempting to get the kids services.  If we get one who Tulsa is on, he's no good.  If we lose one to Tulsa, it's Gus or HDN.

you know, that would be like Tennessee saying "Oh that kid got recruited by Ark, he's not worth our effort now, he must be worthless"

I see what I am debating against now...it's not logic at all...it's your avatar.  I'll never win if that is the case.

[cmoorehogs]

He probably has a better chance of playing at Tulsa, maybe that means nothing to the kid, I'm just guessing. Maybe he hate Houston Dales guts, again just guessing.

[donthaveone]

Way to go GUS!!!!!!!!!




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Rat. Prv.
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61.  Houston  28 Conf USA  967 0 0 1 7 17 11 0 25 3 2.29 61. 
62.  Central Florida  29 Conf USA  954 0 0 1 6 18 10 1 28 1 2.07 62. 
66.  Southern Miss  28 Conf USA  898 0 0 2 4 12 15 1 24 4 2.11 66. 
69.  East Carolina  24 Conf USA  828 0 0 0 4 10 14 0 24 0 2.13 69. 
76.  Marshall  17 Conf USA  697 0 0 0 3 8 9 0 16 1 2.18 75. 
81.  UTEP  23 Conf USA  562 0 0 0 3 11 12 0 18 5 2.04 81. 
85.  SMU  24 Conf USA  530 0 0 0 2 14 10 0 23 1 1.92 84. 
86.  Memphis  19 Conf USA  518 0 0 0 4 12 6 1 10 9 2.11 85. 
96.  UAB  24 Conf USA  390 0 0 0 0 13 10 1 22 2 1.54 t112. 
t100.  Rice  13 Conf USA  371 0 0 0 2 9 4 0 12 1 2.08 t99. 
104.  Tulane  19 Conf USA  360 0 0 0 0 11 7 1 19 0 1.89 102. 
106.  Tulsa  14 Conf USA  346 0 0 0


Hate Nutt all you want, I do!! But when you use Tulsa and Gus' recruiting ability(the  lead recruiter for Ziemba and Burns) as validation, you look like you don't know what in the hell you are talking about. People are screaming about us being 9th in the SEC for recruiting (which is horrible), yet the GREAT GUS M's team is dead last in the worst ranked conference in America! 

[Silver Hog]

You'll never win till FrankenNutt is gone.

[hogsanity]

GO GUS, GO TULSA

Why are you not on their site proclaiming the awsomeness of their 80 or lower ranked class?

Why are we losing players to a 80 or lower team?

The consensus here is why do we want a kid who a 106 class school wants?  So with that logic and in my eyes, Clay must not be SEC material.  Right?

This makes NO sense whatsoever.  You don't think that ASU and Tulane and FIU don't want the #1 player in the land to come to their school?  So the fact that ASU would like the #1 player means we should not bother with them?  That means we stay home since ALL schools want ALL the good players, and that is why the players get to pick and choose where they go.

You don't read much here or any other Hog message board do you.

It's ALWAYS based on what other schools are attempting to get the kids services.  If we get one who Tulsa is on, he's no good.  If we lose one to Tulsa, it's Gus or HDN.

you know, that would be like Tennessee saying "Oh that kid got recruited by Ark, he's not worth our effort now, he must be worthless"

I see what I am debating against now...it's not logic at all...it's your avatar.  I'll never win if that is the case.

You would think that all those with Tu avatars would be on their board extolling the virtue of signing the 106th rated class in the country.  Thats 106 out of 119. 

[hawaiianhogster]

GO GUS, GO TULSA

Why are you not on their site proclaiming the awsomeness of their 80 or lower ranked class?

That's probably one of their better signing classes. Hawaii didn't do as good as Arkansas either and I bet if they played each other Hawaii would win. Coaching has alot to do with winning not just recruiting.

[hogsanity]

GO GUS, GO TULSA

Why are you not on their site proclaiming the awsomeness of their 80 or lower ranked class?

Why are we losing players to a 80 or lower team?

The consensus here is why do we want a kid who a 106 class school wants?  So with that logic and in my eyes, Clay must not be SEC material.  Right?

This makes NO sense whatsoever.  You don't think that ASU and Tulane and FIU don't want the #1 player in the land to come to their school?  So the fact that ASU would like the #1 player means we should not bother with them?  That means we stay home since ALL schools want ALL the good players, and that is why the players get to pick and choose where they go.

You don't read much here or any other Hog message board do you.

It's ALWAYS based on what other schools are attempting to get the kids services.  If we get one who Tulsa is on, he's no good.  If we lose one to Tulsa, it's Gus or HDN.

you know, that would be like Tennessee saying "Oh that kid got recruited by Ark, he's not worth our effort now, he must be worthless"

I see what I am debating against now...it's not logic at all...it's your avatar.  I'll never win if that is the case.

You would think that all those with Tu avatars would be on their board extolling the virtue of signing the 106th rated class in the country.  Thats 106 out of 119. 

are you really going to resort to beating your chest about how bad Tulsa is.  Nice diversionary tactic.

No, I just wonder why those TU fans waste their time on this board.  Obviously they have abandoned the program.  IMO, you can not support 2 teams in the same sport.

[HogSophist]

Ok, and what other SEC schools were on either Clay or Genesis?  And by on i mean had made an actual offer.

what the heck is your point. We lost a recruiting battle to tulsa. Spin that. It has nothing to do with other SEC schools.

[Silver Hog]

Easy to beat on Gus who has been there what, a month?
How long has HDN been here?
And comparing similar schools, HDN had his AZZ handed to him by UNC, and that coach was only there a month.

So HDN can out recruit Tulsa for out of state players, but not UNC. 

HDN can't out recruit ANYBODY for our instate players.

[The Max Swineberg 7]

I don't see any reason the Hogs offered him to begin with except that he is in state.  I want to see us butting heads with TN,SC,Bama,TX,USC for the top recrutis in the nation, and I want to see us figure out some way to get some of them.  If that means a new coach, my post history will show, I am fine with that.

According to Rivals, Clay got an offer from Miami.

[hogsanity]

Ok, and what other SEC schools were on either Clay or Genesis?  And by on i mean had made an actual offer.

what the heck is your point. We lost a recruiting battle to tulsa. Spin that. It has nothing to do with other SEC schools.

The point is that this is the kind of recruit that HDN gets ripped for signing.  Look at what people said about Nathan Dick "  Wow we beat out Rice and Baylor for him ".  IMO, Clay should never have been offered.  He is not SEC calibre. 

[Silver Hog]

GO GUS, GO TULSA

Why are you not on their site proclaiming the awsomeness of their 80 or lower ranked class?

Why are we losing players to a 80 or lower team?

The consensus here is why do we want a kid who a 106 class school wants?  So with that logic and in my eyes, Clay must not be SEC material.  Right?

This makes NO sense whatsoever.  You don't think that ASU and Tulane and FIU don't want the #1 player in the land to come to their school?  So the fact that ASU would like the #1 player means we should not bother with them?  That means we stay home since ALL schools want ALL the good players, and that is why the players get to pick and choose where they go.

You don't read much here or any other Hog message board do you.

It's ALWAYS based on what other schools are attempting to get the kids services.  If we get one who Tulsa is on, he's no good.  If we lose one to Tulsa, it's Gus or HDN.

you know, that would be like Tennessee saying "Oh that kid got recruited by Ark, he's not worth our effort now, he must be worthless"

I see what I am debating against now...it's not logic at all...it's your avatar.  I'll never win if that is the case.

You would think that all those with Tu avatars would be on their board extolling the virtue of signing the 106th rated class in the country.  Thats 106 out of 119. 

are you really going to resort to beating your chest about how bad Tulsa is.  Nice diversionary tactic.

No, I just wonder why those TU fans waste their time on this board.  Obviously they have abandoned the program.  IMO, you can not support 2 teams in the same sport.

You mean arkisaw has a football team?  Would not be able to tell that since all Arkie kids go out of state...

[Sao Ming]

Way to go GUS!!!!!!!!!




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61.  Houston  28 Conf USA  967 0 0 1 7 17 11 0 25 3 2.29 61. 
62.  Central Florida  29 Conf USA  954 0 0 1 6 18 10 1 28 1 2.07 62. 
66.  Southern Miss  28 Conf USA  898 0 0 2 4 12 15 1 24 4 2.11 66. 
69.  East Carolina  24 Conf USA  828 0 0 0 4 10 14 0 24 0 2.13 69. 
76.  Marshall  17 Conf USA  697 0 0 0 3 8 9 0 16 1 2.18 75. 
81.  UTEP  23 Conf USA  562 0 0 0 3 11 12 0 18 5 2.04 81. 
85.  SMU  24 Conf USA  530 0 0 0 2 14 10 0 23 1 1.92 84. 
86.  Memphis  19 Conf USA  518 0 0 0 4 12 6 1 10 9 2.11 85. 
96.  UAB  24 Conf USA  390 0 0 0 0 13 10 1 22 2 1.54 t112. 
t100.  Rice  13 Conf USA  371 0 0 0 2 9 4 0 12 1 2.08 t99. 
104.  Tulane  19 Conf USA  360 0 0 0 0 11 7 1 19 0 1.89 102. 
106.  Tulsa  14 Conf USA  346 0 0 0


Hate Nutt all you want, I do!! But when you use Tulsa and Gus' recruiting ability(the  lead recruiter for Ziemba and Burns) as validation, you look like you don't know what in the hell you are talking about. People are screaming about us being 9th in the SEC for recruiting (which is horrible), yet the GREAT GUS M's team is dead last in the worst ranked conference in America! 

And don't forget that is immediately after the great Kragthorpe teams as well...the very man some would endorse tomorrow to take over the Hogs if he was available.

Ughh..

[abraHAM_lincoln]

Humm..Looks like Nutt is losing to Gus already..

right....AR on Scout is 33 and Tulsa is 106.  good observation

Well Gus did pretty good..recruiting for two schools, and only 1 month to do what he could for Tulsa.  I predict (if nutt-job is still here)..Tulsa has a better set of Arkansas recruits than Nutzo does..

[311Hog]

you guys crack me up.

You completly ignore the fact that:

1. Tulsa has a brand new Head Coach who has been on the job what? a month.

2. Gus just got there a few weeks ago


And you expected him to trot out a high ranking recruiting class? Hell is an *** miracle they signed anyone at all, and it is LAUGHABLE they signed players that had schollie offers from the University of Arkansas.

You all can bietch and moan all you want about how "these are quality kids" and this is a "good" class and guess what?

YOU WOULD BE RIGHT THEY ARE.

But know this, while we are signing "good project kids" that might see the field in a couple years, 9 other SEC schools are recruiting all americans, kids that will likely go to the NFL.

If you can sleep at night knowing that 4 out of the top 10 recruiting classes in the nation are in the SEC, and we are likely 3rd place AT BEST IN THE WEST.  The i feel sorry for you.

[ShellHog]

Is Clay a 1* or 2*....I forget.

[clemensrules01]

clay was going to go to arkansas. but arkansas pulled his schollie and then gave it back to him when the guy they pulled it for didnt commit.

he felt like he was being used.

cole was not offered by the hogs until last night or a couple of nights ago. they were never in the picture because the offer was too late.

genesis convinced charles to go to tulsa after charles decided not to go to arkansas because of the pulled schollie.

[HDale]

The fence is useless.  If we did not sign one Ar kid it would not kill us.  If we did not sign out of staters, we would die.  When are you people goinmg to finally admit, that in most years, AR produces MAYBE 4 SEC calibre players, that will actually contribute.  The time wasted recruiting in state kids could be used much better.  Look at Butch Davis.  He got 1 of the top 11 in NC, still had a great class.  I am not saying HDN is a good recruiter, coach or anything, I am saying that you guys worry too much about the in state kids.  Unless, of course, you think that in state kids are important to having a great team, but I am told repeatedly that is not the case.

  If we did not sign one Ar kid it would not kill us.  If we did not sign out of staters, we would die.  When are you people goinmg to finally admit, that in most years, AR produces MAYBE 4 SEC calibre players, that will actually contribute.  The time wasted recruiting in state kids could be used much better. 

Why did we sign 11 in-state kids if none of them are SEC caliber?
We didn't get ANY of the top 4, so why did we sign any of the rest?
SPIN THAT

[Winner]

Is Clay a 1* or 2*....I forget.

3*

[hogsanity]

The fence is useless.  If we did not sign one Ar kid it would not kill us.  If we did not sign out of staters, we would die.  When are you people goinmg to finally admit, that in most years, AR produces MAYBE 4 SEC calibre players, that will actually contribute.  The time wasted recruiting in state kids could be used much better.  Look at Butch Davis.  He got 1 of the top 11 in NC, still had a great class.  I am not saying HDN is a good recruiter, coach or anything, I am saying that you guys worry too much about the in state kids.  Unless, of course, you think that in state kids are important to having a great team, but I am told repeatedly that is not the case.

  If we did not sign one Ar kid it would not kill us.  If we did not sign out of staters, we would die.  When are you people goinmg to finally admit, that in most years, AR produces MAYBE 4 SEC calibre players, that will actually contribute.  The time wasted recruiting in state kids could be used much better. 

Why did we sign 11 in-state kids if none of them are SEC caliber?
We didn't get ANY of the top 4, so why did we sign any of the rest?
SPIN THAT

We signed 11 because some of them we needed, and some I have no idea why.  I dont buy into the "look who else was on these guys" argunent.  I am simply pointing out that those who do use that do so "selectively". 

I am of the opinion that we will NEVER be a PERINIAL top 15 program until they figure out how to bring in better talnet from out of state. 

[Silver Hog]

Kids should be DYING to walk on at Ark (think Rudy), vs play for a schollie at Tulsa.  But they don't because nobody that knows him wants to be near Nutt.  They would rather go to some lesser school than be a hog thanks to Nutt.

[ShellHog]

Is Clay a 1* or 2*....I forget.

3*

Dang...I really thought he was 1*.

[PeytonManningSUCKS]

From Rivals, looks like Miami and AR had given him offers.

February 7, 2007

Bill Lowery
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Tulsa Head Coach Todd Graham and his new staff have been on the job only three weeks, but raised some eyebrows when they brought in two Rivals.com 4-star recruits for visits this past weekend. They ended up losing Broderick Green to USC and Greg Little to North Carolina, but they surprised everyone by gaining the signature of Charles Clay, who signed with TU over offers from Miami and Arkansas.

[Sao Ming]

you guys crack me up.

You completly ignore the fact that:

1. Tulsa has a brand new Head Coach who has been on the job what? a month.

2. Gus just got there a few weeks ago


And you expected him to trot out a high ranking recruiting class? Hell is an *** miracle they signed anyone at all, and it is LAUGHABLE they signed players that had schollie offers from the University of Arkansas.

You all can bietch and moan all you want about how "these are quality kids" and this is a "good" class and guess what?

YOU WOULD BE RIGHT THEY ARE.

But know this, while we are signing "good project kids" that might see the field in a couple years, 9 other SEC schools are recruiting all americans, kids that will likely go to the NFL.

If you can sleep at night knowing that 4 out of the top 10 recruiting classes in the nation are in the SEC, and we are likely 3rd place AT BEST IN THE WEST.  The i feel sorry for you.

Interesting look at it - Butch "hit a homerun" in his first class...so, Gus laid an egg in his. 

No wonder I wanted Butch so much.

[hawaiianhogster]

GO GUS, GO TULSA

Why are you not on their site proclaiming the awsomeness of their 80 or lower ranked class?

Why are we losing players to a 80 or lower team?

The consensus here is why do we want a kid who a 106 class school wants?  So with that logic and in my eyes, Clay must not be SEC material.  Right?

This makes NO sense whatsoever.  You don't think that ASU and Tulane and FIU don't want the #1 player in the land to come to their school?  So the fact that ASU would like the #1 player means we should not bother with them?  That means we stay home since ALL schools want ALL the good players, and that is why the players get to pick and choose where they go.

You don't read much here or any other Hog message board do you.

It's ALWAYS based on what other schools are attempting to get the kids services.  If we get one who Tulsa is on, he's no good.  If we lose one to Tulsa, it's Gus or HDN.

you know, that would be like Tennessee saying "Oh that kid got recruited by Ark, he's not worth our effort now, he must be worthless"

I see what I am debating against now...it's not logic at all...it's your avatar.  I'll never win if that is the case.

You would think that all those with Tu avatars would be on their board extolling the virtue of signing the 106th rated class in the country.  Thats 106 out of 119. 

are you really going to resort to beating your chest about how bad Tulsa is.  Nice diversionary tactic.

No, I just wonder why those TU fans waste their time on this board.  Obviously they have abandoned the program.  IMO, you can not support 2 teams in the same sport.

I was doing just fine until the freak boys screwed it up for me. Now I lean one way more than the other until the freak boys are gone for good.

[311Hog]

you guys crack me up.

You completly ignore the fact that:

1. Tulsa has a brand new Head Coach who has been on the job what? a month.

2. Gus just got there a few weeks ago


And you expected him to trot out a high ranking recruiting class? Hell is an *** miracle they signed anyone at all, and it is LAUGHABLE they signed players that had schollie offers from the University of Arkansas.

You all can bietch and moan all you want about how "these are quality kids" and this is a "good" class and guess what?

YOU WOULD BE RIGHT THEY ARE.

But know this, while we are signing "good project kids" that might see the field in a couple years, 9 other SEC schools are recruiting all americans, kids that will likely go to the NFL.

If you can sleep at night knowing that 4 out of the top 10 recruiting classes in the nation are in the SEC, and we are likely 3rd place AT BEST IN THE WEST.  The i feel sorry for you.

Interesting look at it - Butch "hit a homerun" in his first class...so, Gus laid an egg in his. 

No wonder I wanted Butch so much.

I wouldnt even come close to saying Gus laid an egg, and furthermore how would this even be considered "his class" hell his damn name is out beside people that signed WITH ARKANSAS. 

Also he is recruiting people to a smaller school in a little conference, UNC has a great Basketball team and tradition, not to mention they have been good in football before. I think your judgement is way to harsh and off base with regards to Gus, i personally believe Butch would have done a great job here.

[hogsanity]

you guys crack me up.

You completly ignore the fact that:

1. Tulsa has a brand new Head Coach who has been on the job what? a month.

2. Gus just got there a few weeks ago


And you expected him to trot out a high ranking recruiting class? Hell is an *** miracle they signed anyone at all, and it is LAUGHABLE they signed players that had schollie offers from the University of Arkansas.

You all can bietch and moan all you want about how "these are quality kids" and this is a "good" class and guess what?

YOU WOULD BE RIGHT THEY ARE.

But know this, while we are signing "good project kids" that might see the field in a couple years, 9 other SEC schools are recruiting all americans, kids that will likely go to the NFL.

If you can sleep at night knowing that 4 out of the top 10 recruiting classes in the nation are in the SEC, and we are likely 3rd place AT BEST IN THE WEST.  The i feel sorry for you.

I can sleep at night because none of this matters to me personally.  I gain not one ounce of self worth from what the hogs do on the field.  I enjoy watching the games, I revel in wins, and hurt for a while when they lose, but it does not change my life one bit. 

[Sao Ming]

you guys crack me up.

You completly ignore the fact that:

1. Tulsa has a brand new Head Coach who has been on the job what? a month.

2. Gus just got there a few weeks ago


And you expected him to trot out a high ranking recruiting class? Hell is an *** miracle they signed anyone at all, and it is LAUGHABLE they signed players that had schollie offers from the University of Arkansas.

You all can bietch and moan all you want about how "these are quality kids" and this is a "good" class and guess what?

YOU WOULD BE RIGHT THEY ARE.

But know this, while we are signing "good project kids" that might see the field in a couple years, 9 other SEC schools are recruiting all americans, kids that will likely go to the NFL.

If you can sleep at night knowing that 4 out of the top 10 recruiting classes in the nation are in the SEC, and we are likely 3rd place AT BEST IN THE WEST.  The i feel sorry for you.

Interesting look at it - Butch "hit a homerun" in his first class...so, Gus laid an egg in his. 

No wonder I wanted Butch so much.

I wouldnt even come close to saying Gus laid an egg, and furthermore how would this even be considered "his class" hell his damn name is out beside people that signed WITH ARKANSAS. 

Also he is recruiting people to a smaller school in a little conference, UNC has a great Basketball team and tradition, not to mention they have been good in football before. I think your judgement is way to harsh and off base with regards to Gus, i personally believe Butch would have done a great job here.

Well, why we are turning this into a Tulsa board, you tell me then, who laid the 106 pound egg?  Kragthorpe?  Who most would endorse as our skipper.  Graham?  A ringing endorse to TU from Kragthorpe no less.  Or Gus, who is on the staff, who brought in Green and wound up with Clay and who was in so many eyes the catalyst to a 10 win Hog season? 

So, tell me where the Tulsa gap is - they are LAST in the C-USA this year at 106, with vaunted programs such as Houston are in the 60's and RICE who lost Graham is eons ahead as well.

[ceegar]

How many of you were looking at TU recruiting last year.  Im not bashing just wondering.

[311Hog]

And we are 2nd to last in the SEC what is your point?


Which scenario do you believe would be the most conducive to generate a top quality recruiting class.


1. "10 win season, HC has longest tenure in the SEC, SEC power conference, West champs, Heisman Candidate, Only show in town Arkansas's pro football team"


2. "CUSA up and comer, just lost Head coach to Louisville, got a new HC from Rice looks pretty good but only had a few weeks to work on a class. New Co OC, only 1 year of D1 exp. but has a few tricks up his sleeve, has to compete with 2 major D1 schools for attention"


Tell me what would your expectations be for the recruiting classes for the above mentioned scenarios?

[Sao Ming]

And we are 2nd to last in the SEC what is your point?


Which scenario do you believe would be the most conducive to generate a top quality recruiting class.


1. "10 win season, HC has longest tenure in the SEC, SEC power conference, West champs, Heisman Candidate, Only show in town Arkansas's pro football team"


2. "CUSA up and comer, just lost Head coach to Louisville, got a new HC from Rice looks pretty good but only had a few weeks to work on a class. New Co OC, only 1 year of D1 exp. but has a few tricks up his sleeve, has to compete with 2 major D1 schools for attention"


Tell me what would your expectations be for the recruiting classes for the above mentioned scenarios?

I don't know if you are asking me, but if you are trying to sell me on the fact that Dale needs to go you are wasting your time.  I've been there for a long time. 

[Squealsonwheels]

Gus really pulled a fast one getting that one star RB to go to Tulsa!!!!!

Nice 7th post...As they say on another board "You should read more and post less"   That one star will be a demon at DE but your lack of football knowledge wont allow you to see it...He was a HUGE steal IMHO

[missippihog]

TULSA

WOOO HOOO! Who cares.

[Silver Hog]

Gus wasn't there last year.