Clemson road loss

[lefty08]

Can we all agree that was frustrating, but we can't have a do-over? It's been over a week now, posting the same things over and over in different threads isn't discussion. Starting now.....

[ErieHog]

We can barely agree the team is named the Arkansas Razorbacks.

[lefty08]

Good point. Thought another post from a "sunshine poster" would be good. At least I think that's what most call me...

[dsims2k3]

Good point. Thought another post from a "sunshine poster" would be good. At least I think that's what most call me...

Don't feel bad.  There quire a few critics and naysayers on this board who were the biggest sunshine pumpers during the Pelphrey era. That's why many of them are saying year 4 or bust because that's the number of years Pel got.

[intelligence]

We can barely agree the team is named the Arkansas Razorbacks.

I disagree

[Danny J]

Can we all agree that was frustrating, but we can't have a do-over? It's been over a week now, posting the same things over and over in different threads isn't discussion. Starting now.....

If I were in Siberia during the Clemson game, then found out later the final score I wouldn't be upset at all. What was frustrating to me was the way we lost. Four Boneheaded mistakes total. One made by a junior and three made by a senior who simply panics in close games late. That is what is frustrating. The way we lost. If we can win out at BWA, beat the 4 terrible teams(Mizzou, USC, MSU and Auburn) we will play on the road then we will be just fine. Anybody expecting us to consistently win on the road simply doesn't understand college basketball. We are not a final four elite type of team. Not this year and likely not next year either.

[Arazorbackguy1]

I thought it was the Razorbacks Arkansas

[hogsanity]

What makes it bad is that Clemson lost to Winthrop and Gardner Webb.  Clemson will be lucky to be .500 come end of season. What makes it worse is that it was the same blue print many "undermanned" teams have used to beat the Hogs on the road. At some point, to take the next step, the team the coach, someone, has got to figure out how to win those type of games. If Clemson came to BWA, I would expect the Hogs to hag a 20+ pt beating on them.

[Biggus Piggus]

Don't feel bad.  There quire a few critics and naysayers on this board who were the biggest sunshine pumpers during the Pelphrey era. That's why many of them are saying year 4 or bust because that's the number of years Pel got.

I do not understand why anybody is talking about MA's job status. I don't believe he would be in trouble if the Hogs completely fell apart this season. It would be creating a problem. MA is secure.

[Kevin]

I do not understand why anybody is talking about MA's job status. I don't believe he would be in trouble if the Hogs completely fell apart this season. It would be creating a problem. MA is secure.

i agree, but you don't make the dance in year 4, some changes need to happen.

[hogsanity]

I do not understand why anybody is talking about MA's job status. I don't believe he would be in trouble if the Hogs completely fell apart this season. It would be creating a problem. MA is secure.

Short of scandal or back to back losing seasons, I think MA is here for as long as MA wants to be here.

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

People need to get some perspective, study history a bit, and get over it.

In 1993 the Razorbacks lost at Mississippi State by 4 points, This wasn't one of the good mid 90's MSU teams.  It was a team that finished 13-16 and loss to the likes of Southern Illinois and Missouri KC. 

When MSU played at Arkansas later that year Arkansas won by 57 points.

That team made it to the Sweet 16. 

Duke lost at Clemson last year and Clemson has managed to beat 3 SEC teams this year.  We were down early took the lead and then just crapped it away in the last minute.  Everyone has mental lapses, and moments they wish they could do over.  This is why basketball isn't defined by one game. 

[The_Iceman]

People need to get some perspective, study history a bit, and get over it.

In 1993 the Razorbacks lost at Mississippi State by 4 points, This wasn't one of the good mid 90's MSU teams.  It was a team that finished 13-16 and loss to the likes of Southern Illinois and Missouri KC. 

When MSU played at Arkansas later that year Arkansas won by 57 points.

That team made it to the Sweet 16. 

Duke lost at Clemson last year and Clemson has managed to beat 3 SEC teams this year.  We were down early took the lead and then just crapped it away in the last minute.  Everyone has mental lapses, and moments they wish they could do over.  This is why basketball isn't defined by one game. 

+1.

[WarPig88]

Short of scandal or back to back losing seasons, I think MA is here for as long as MA wants to be here.

Do you guys even take into consideration that Frank Broyles made a 7 year commitment to Pelphrey to rebuild this program? That was the biggest thing that had Donovan upset when we fired him and why he lashed out at us in the media.

7 years for Pel. Thank goodness Long had enough sense to not honor Broyles' promise.

But it does make you wonder how long it actually takes to rebuild a basketball program in this day and age.

A lot of you are stuck in the 90's with your ideas about that. The distribution of talent is not as wide as it once was with guys going to the NBA so early.

The top players no longer look beyond the Kentucky's and Duke for playing time. They can get it all they want at these schools now and aren't signing with the non basketball royalty schools as often anymore.

We were fortunate with Portis being from this state and loving the Hogs and his replacement doesn't appear to be on the horizon any time soon.

The way you make up for the lack of distribution of talent is through upper classmen development. That is how the mid majors have closed the gap. That is also how a non basketball royalty school has to do it as well.

That takes more time obviously than the belief that you can just change a program by signing ONE guy.

What changed Nolan's fortunes here was the signing of 3 McDonald's All-Americans and one of San Jacinto's top players.

If you are expecting that to be the norm for Arkansas at all you haven't paid attention over the past 4 decades. If you expect it as a probability here now with the lack of distribution of talent, then you haven't been paying attention to the college basketball scene over the last 8 years or so.

[Biggus Piggus]

What makes it bad is that Clemson lost to Winthrop and Gardner Webb.  Clemson will be lucky to be .500 come end of season. What makes it worse is that it was the same blue print many "undermanned" teams have used to beat the Hogs on the road. At some point, to take the next step, the team the coach, someone, has got to figure out how to win those type of games. If Clemson came to BWA, I would expect the Hogs to hag a 20+ pt beating on them.

Yes. Somebody made excuses by talking about Clemson beating Dook last year. Clemson won 23 games last year, went 10-8 in the ACC. This year, they aren't going to get anywhere close to .500 in the ACC.

Clemson beat Arkansas by 3 and Auburn by 11. If we're only 8 points better than Auburn...we're not only 8 points better than Auburn.

[Biggus Piggus]

Iowa State hired Fred Hoiberg before the 2010-11 season. It was 16-16, 23-11, 23-12, 28-8, and now 8-1.

Virginia was a mess before Tony Bennett. He did 15-16, 16-15, 22-10, 23-12, 30-7, and now 9-0.

Lon Kruger at OU -- 15-16, 20-12, 23-10, now 6-2 (losses to Creighton and Wisconsin).

Instant riches are rare. Year four usually is a step up, and Arkansas ought to make that step up.

[hogsanity]

Yes. Somebody made excuses by talking about Clemson beating Dook last year. Clemson won 23 games last year, went 10-8 in the ACC. This year, they aren't going to get anywhere close to .500 in the ACC.

Clemson beat Arkansas by 3 and Auburn by 11. If we're only 8 points better than Auburn...we're not only 8 points better than Auburn.

This is what also bothers me about all the crowing about a 14 pt win over Dayton. This is NOT the same Flyers team that made the elite 8. They lost a lot off that team.

But I was bothered by the Iona and North TX games. both of those teams were right in it until their lack of depth hit them about the 10 min mark of the 2nd half.  There is just something about this Hog team that just does not look right, especially on defense.

[porkinsons disease]

agreed, although I thought the Iona game would be pretty tough. North Texas hanging with us as long as they did surprised me

[jesterzzn]

Do you guys even take into consideration that Frank Broyles made a 7 year commitment to Pelphrey to rebuild this program? That was the biggest thing that had Donovan upset when we fired him and why he lashed out at us in the media.

I think the biggest thing that we guys didn't consider was what Donovan thinks...about anything.

[Smithian]

People need to get some perspective, study history a bit, and get over it.

In 1993 the Razorbacks lost at Mississippi State by 4 points, This wasn't one of the good mid 90's MSU teams.  It was a team that finished 13-16 and loss to the likes of Southern Illinois and Missouri KC. 

When MSU played at Arkansas later that year Arkansas won by 57 points.

That team made it to the Sweet 16.   

Those Arkansas teams you mention took care of business in other games. The committee will look at the whole picture when considering Arkansas. No individual loss will eliminate you, but the Razorbacks will have to do something they were unable to do last season and that is put together enough quality wins to show Clemson was a fluke and not an accurate reflection on this team's quality.

I bet Connecticut had a road loss last year as bad our Clemson loss, but that doesn't mean this Razorback team is on course for a national championship. It just means UCONN won enough to show they're a better team than that loss.

[Smithian]

Do you guys even take into consideration that Frank Broyles made a 7 year commitment to Pelphrey to rebuild this program? That was the biggest thing that had Donovan upset when we fired him and why he lashed out at us in the media.

7 years for Pel. Thank goodness Long had enough sense to not honor Broyles' promise.

7 years of Pelphrey? Tell me more........

[The_Iceman]

Do you guys even take into consideration that Frank Broyles made a 7 year commitment to Pelphrey to rebuild this program? That was the biggest thing that had Donovan upset when we fired him and why he lashed out at us in the media.

7 years of Pelphrey would have made one certain AWOL poster on here a very happy man.

[dsims2k3]

7 years of Pelphrey would have made one certain AWOL poster on here a very happy man.

LoL!