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who would win in a game.

NCAA BCS Team
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ronnie.lambert

i think an college team would beat some NFL teams

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H&D

USC a couple of years ago with Reggie, Matt and those guys could give the Raiders a run for their money.  I don't know if they would beat them but it would be a good game.
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No college team can compete with an NFL team, even if it was USC playing against the Oakland Raiders.  The best college team in America probably doesn't have anymore than 15-20 legit pro prospects on the roster.  A pro team's roster, by definition, has 100% pro prospects.  And players who have been playing the game for a lot longer.

SooiecidetillNuttgone

Only a special NCAA Championship team, like one of the USC Leinert and Bush teams or one of Jimmy Johnson's best teams at U of Miami playing against the weakest NFL team.  Even then you might need a best of five series to finally get your NCAA BCS Team victory.
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So everyone one of the nationalized incidents were justified? There is no race problems with policing? If that is what you believe.....well bless your heart, it must be hard going through life with the obstacles you must have to overcome. Do they send a bus to come pick you up?

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The worst NFL team in the history of the NFL would beat the best college football team of all time by 30 plus points.  Any NFL team consists of the top college football players from over the years where as a great college football team has a bunch of guys on it that couldn't cut it in the NFL.

Beaverfever

I've heard people say this stuff..and it's really stupid.  Even the best college team would get whooped like a yard dog by the worst nfl team.  Even the best college players generally don't just come into the league and start immediately.  There is a reason those guys are paid the big bucks.

DOGALUM

ANY current NFL team would SMOKE any football team in NCAA history.  Wouldn't even be close!



That said.......I'd take the 2005 Springdale High School team over last year's Colts in a blowout!   :P
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hogfan064

Uh, no.  NFL teams are made up of men.  Do you really think a 18 year old boy lined up at OL would be able to block a 28 year old man at DT?

combsj

that's like saying a HS state champ team could beat some college teams...not a chance.  springdale's 2005 #2 nationally ranked team would get spanked by UCA and ASU.  Florida would be embarrassed by Raiders.  the difference in the talent levels is laughable.  it's why freshmen struggle in college and why rookies struggle in the nfl.

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Quote from: HawgsandDawgs on August 09, 2007, 11:38:13 am
USC a couple of years ago with Reggie, Matt and those guys could give the Raiders a run for their money.  I don't know if they would beat them but it would be a good game.

No, it wouldn't  Matt and Reggie weren't even great NFL players last year.  Who's going to block the Raiders DL?   USC would've gotten killed. 

The talent positions aren't where the difference is made, it's along the lines and on defense. 

Stateline Hawg

You could get an all-star college team, and still not beat any pro team. There are reasons why rookies struggle.

aaron_c

Quote from: combsj on August 09, 2007, 11:45:38 am
that's like saying a HS state champ team could beat some college teams...not a chance.  springdale's 2005 #2 nationally ranked team would get spanked by UCA and ASU.  Florida would be embarrassed by Raiders.  the difference in the talent levels is laughable.  it's why freshmen struggle in college and why rookies struggle in the nfl.

The '05 Springdale team might have been able to beat a college team like UAM, but no chance against any team better than that.  JMHO

 

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Quote from: Stateline Hawg on August 09, 2007, 11:53:28 am
You could get an all-star college team, and still not beat any pro team. There are reasons why rookies struggle.

Before I get ripped, I agree with all the posters saying not a chance....for the most part.  However, some of you are dismissing coaching.  Whatever Pete Carroll learned going from New England to USC, I wish he could bottle it up and give it to our next HC.

And on the other side, what about Herm Edwards.  He's awful.  Rich Kotite anyone?
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Quote from: hawginbigd1 on October 13, 2016, 11:48:33 am
So everyone one of the nationalized incidents were justified? There is no race problems with policing? If that is what you believe.....well bless your heart, it must be hard going through life with the obstacles you must have to overcome. Do they send a bus to come pick you up?

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Who would win if the worst NFL team, played the best NCAA BCS team?

Beaverfever

Quote from: combsj on August 09, 2007, 11:45:38 am
that's like saying a HS state champ team could beat some college teams...not a chance.  springdale's 2005 #2 nationally ranked team would get spanked by UCA and ASU.  Florida would be embarrassed by Raiders.  the difference in the talent levels is laughable.  it's why freshmen struggle in college and why rookies struggle in the nfl.
No man that's a completely different scenario.  A high school team could have 7-8+ players that will play on teams better than UCA or ASU.  You can't play in a league better than the NFL.

Razorfox

it would be interesting to see a team like USC a few years ago that had 6 or 7 first round guys go against a crappy NFL team that probably doesn't have that many first round caliber players.  Based on pure talent, the USC team may have the NFL team beat.  But on experience and "manhood", the NFL team would win out still. 

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Quote from: Beaverfever on August 09, 2007, 11:59:25 am
Quote from: combsj on August 09, 2007, 11:45:38 am
that's like saying a HS state champ team could beat some college teams...not a chance.  springdale's 2005 #2 nationally ranked team would get spanked by UCA and ASU.  Florida would be embarrassed by Raiders.  the difference in the talent levels is laughable.  it's why freshmen struggle in college and why rookies struggle in the nfl.
No man that's a completely different scenario.  A high school team could have 7-8+ players that will play on teams better than UCA or ASU.  You can't play in a league better than the NFL.

But a HS team is also filled with 30 guys who will never step foot on a CFB field.   You also have 16 year olds going against 22 years olds in the trenches, huge difference in maturity and size. 

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Quote from: ronnie.lambert on August 09, 2007, 11:34:36 am
i think an college team would beat some NFL teams
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Honestly, the amount of preparation an NFL team puts into just one season eclipses all of the preparation for an entire college career. They have the best of everything: best position coaches, best trainers, best facilities, best doctors, etc. Plus, their bodies are fully mature and they have been doing this for a decade against the best players available.

The college team would be physically dominated from the starting kickoff. A superb athelete here and there would make a play, but the college team would be ground into the dirt.

HogwildinMonroe

All Star college team would never beat the worst professional team.  Not the the Bucs or the Saints when they were at their worst.

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The NFL teams are comprised of players who played in big games and are even better now.

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Quote from: hogfan064 on August 09, 2007, 12:01:48 pm
Quote from: Beaverfever on August 09, 2007, 11:59:25 am
Quote from: combsj on August 09, 2007, 11:45:38 am
that's like saying a HS state champ team could beat some college teams...not a chance.  springdale's 2005 #2 nationally ranked team would get spanked by UCA and ASU.  Florida would be embarrassed by Raiders.  the difference in the talent levels is laughable.  it's why freshmen struggle in college and why rookies struggle in the nfl.
No man that's a completely different scenario.  A high school team could have 7-8+ players that will play on teams better than UCA or ASU.  You can't play in a league better than the NFL.

But a HS team is also filled with 30 guys who will never step foot on a CFB field.   You also have 16 year olds going against 22 years olds in the trenches, huge difference in maturity and size. 
Oh I'm not saying the hs team would win (it wouldn't) but I'm just saying the examples aren't parrallel.  You just cant make that comparison.

 

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The lines alone would absolutely dominate the game.

You'd see more three n outs than the 04 and 05 Hogs combined.
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Quote from: ronnie.lambert on August 09, 2007, 11:34:36 am
i think an college team would beat some NFL teams

Have you ever watched an NFL game? There are teeth rattling hits on every play. Some young college kids may get killed.

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ColinRagan

Actually from the 30's to the mid 70's there used to be a game that pitted a college allstar team against the NFL champions.  And while the NFL usually beat the allstars there were about 9 or 10 wins for the college all stars over that span

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Some of Bobby Bowden's teams looked like pro teams when they took the field but I don't think they could have held a candle to an NFL team.
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Quote from: ronnie.lambert on August 09, 2007, 11:34:36 am
i think an college team would beat some NFL teams
Not a chance. This reminds me of the whole Springdale could beat ASU or Tech debate that was going on in 2005.

Think about it this way, and then you will find the answer. A pro football team's roster is made up of all professional football players. A college team has maybe 10, giver or take a few, future NFL players, and they aren't even guaranteed to be able to succeed in the NFL.

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Quote from: rsvl_hogfan4 on August 09, 2007, 02:22:24 pm
Quote from: ronnie.lambert on August 09, 2007, 11:34:36 am
i think an college team would beat some NFL teams
Not a chance. This reminds me of the whole Springdale could beat ASU or Tech debate that was going on in 2005.

Think about it this way, and then you will find the answer. A pro football team's roster is made up of all professional football players. A college team has maybe 10, giver or take a few, future NFL players, and they aren't even guaranteed to be able to succeed in the NFL.

Who the heck are you coming in here with all that logic bull shiite? ;)

You know, as I think about it, some college defenses could give an NFL team a game. The Hogs in 77, OU in 75, Michigan last year. They still wouldn't hold them 4 quarters. The great advantage a pro team has over a college team is offensive talent. They would put too many ponts on the board.
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Quote from: ronnie.lambert on August 09, 2007, 11:34:36 am
i think an college team would beat some NFL teams

Never happen not even close. the worst team in the nfl would beat the best team in college.  Men playing boys.

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Quote from: ronnie.lambert on August 09, 2007, 11:34:36 am
i think an college team would beat some NFL teams
Not a chance. This reminds me of the whole Springdale could beat ASU or Tech debate that was going on in 2005.

Think about it this way, and then you will find the answer. A pro football team's roster is made up of all professional football players. A college team has maybe 10, giver or take a few, future NFL players, and they aren't even guaranteed to be able to succeed in the NFL.

Who the heck are you coming in here with all that logic bull shiite? ;)

You know, as I think about it, some college defenses could give an NFL team a game. The Hogs in 77, OU in 75, Michigan last year. They still wouldn't hold them 4 quarters. The great advantage a pro team has over a college team is offensive talent. They would put too many ponts on the board.


Actually his logic is flawed because even the best college team has 4 nfl type players not 10.   A 30 year old man who has done nothing but eat sleep and work at football 8 hours a day 365 days a year.  He will dominate a 24 year old kid.

WBChogfan

If you have a full USC-type team and you have the worst NFL team's third string...with no reserves to sub in, then you might have a close game.

Otherwise, NFL destroys any college team.

atekido

YOU could take the best player from Each college.  take leinert/bush/mcfadden/calvin johnson and all the super stars from college on D  i wouldnt care.

even though bush and leinart are in nfl now.

make a allstar college team

and they HAve NO chance vs any nfl team of ANY year.  do you not realize how much Larger and Faster players become after a few years in the NFL?

the Freaking lions or SF would spank any ncaa college BCS champ from any year.

it would not even be a competition.


ErieHog

Its not merely the skill level, it is the professionalism;  NFL talent lives, breaths, eats, sleeps, and pisses football.    Even the greatest NCAA team has players on limited practice schedules, that dedicate large segments of their lives to school or just being kids.   The NCAA regulates a maximum of 20 hours of supervised football a week, during the season.  NFL players will put that in in 2 days.
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Quote from: ronnie.lambert on August 09, 2007, 11:34:36 am
i think an college team would beat some NFL teams

i think an college team would beat some nfl teams two
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September 04, 2007, 08:11:47 pm #37 Last Edit: September 04, 2007, 08:15:47 pm by Hawgon
Quote from: Oliver Miller on August 09, 2007, 11:42:06 am
The worst NFL team in the history of the NFL would beat the best college football team of all time by 30 plus points.  Any NFL team consists of the top college football players from over the years where as a great college football team has a bunch of guys on it that couldn't cut it in the NFL.

That is not quite true.  Back in the 30s and 40s college all-star teams played professional team fairly regularly and won more often than not.

Okay, a little edit.  From 1934 to 1976 the NFL champions would play a team of college senior all-stars.  The NFL guys won 31 times, college guys 9, and two ties.

So, maybe the college guys didn't win more often than not, but it was a college all-star team against the NFL champs. 

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Quote from: Hawgon on September 04, 2007, 08:11:47 pm
Quote from: Oliver Miller on August 09, 2007, 11:42:06 am
The worst NFL team in the history of the NFL would beat the best college football team of all time by 30 plus points.  Any NFL team consists of the top college football players from over the years where as a great college football team has a bunch of guys on it that couldn't cut it in the NFL.

That is not quite true.  Back in the 30s and 40s college all-star teams played professional team fairly regularly and won more often than not.

That was then, this is now!  No way any college football team could be the worst NFL team! 

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Quote from: ronnie.lambert on August 09, 2007, 11:34:36 am
i think an college team would beat some NFL teams
Not a chance. This reminds me of the whole Springdale could beat ASU or Tech debate that was going on in 2005.

Think about it this way, and then you will find the answer. A pro football team's roster is made up of all professional football players. A college team has maybe 10, giver or take a few, future NFL players, and they aren't even guaranteed to be able to succeed in the NFL.

Who the heck are you coming in here with all that logic bull shiite? ;)

You know, as I think about it, some college defenses could give an NFL team a game. The Hogs in 77, OU in 75, Michigan last year. They still wouldn't hold them 4 quarters. The great advantage a pro team has over a college team is offensive talent. They would put too many ponts on the board.

What??  Michigan last year?  That defense wasn't even good enough to beat Ohio State or USC.  Ball State even hung 26 points on them.  Laughable.   

McBain

I dont think it's that laughable an idea.  If you have experience on the offensive and defensive lines, speed at the skill positions, great qb play - I'd like to see the game anyway.  A 5th year senior on the O-line is not a weak kid - they bench over 500 pounds by then.  After you have been in college a few years, you are just not going to get that much bigger, stronger, and faster in the pros.

Did anybody see the Raiders play offence last year - they were a joke.

I like the idea about a college allstar team against the worst nfl team. 

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Quote from: Hawgon on September 04, 2007, 08:11:47 pm
Quote from: Oliver Miller on August 09, 2007, 11:42:06 am
The worst NFL team in the history of the NFL would beat the best college football team of all time by 30 plus points.  Any NFL team consists of the top college football players from over the years where as a great college football team has a bunch of guys on it that couldn't cut it in the NFL.

That is not quite true.  Back in the 30s and 40s college all-star teams played professional team fairly regularly and won more often than not.

Okay, a little edit.  From 1934 to 1976 the NFL champions would play a team of college senior all-stars.  The NFL guys won 31 times, college guys 9, and two ties.

So, maybe the college guys didn't win more often than not, but it was a college all-star team against the NFL champs. 

I don't know the years of those college wins, but I'd bet many included men who were older than your typical collegian because they'd spent years at war.  The great postwar Notre Dame/Army teams consisted of a number of vets.

Plus, this was an era when going pro wasn't automatic even for great players.
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Quote from: McBain on September 04, 2007, 08:54:34 pm
I dont think it's that laughable an idea.  If you have experience on the offensive and defensive lines, speed at the skill positions, great qb play - I'd like to see the game anyway.  A 5th year senior on the O-line is not a weak kid - they bench over 500 pounds by then.  After you have been in college a few years, you are just not going to get that much bigger, stronger, and faster in the pros.

Did anybody see the Raiders play offence last year - they were a joke.

I like the idea about a college allstar team against the worst nfl team. 

Even if you get the top collegians from every school, how are they going to have time to learn the defensive schemes to handle even the most pedestrian NFL offense, or more importantly, the offensive schemes and timing to handle an NFL team's defense?

Not a chance.  No way, no how.  We're talking about men who have nothing to do in their lives but prepare for football games v. kids who have NCAA mandated practice limits.
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Quote from: Fatty McGee on September 04, 2007, 09:03:52 pm
Quote from: Hawgon on September 04, 2007, 08:11:47 pm
Quote from: Oliver Miller on August 09, 2007, 11:42:06 am
The worst NFL team in the history of the NFL would beat the best college football team of all time by 30 plus points.  Any NFL team consists of the top college football players from over the years where as a great college football team has a bunch of guys on it that couldn't cut it in the NFL.

That is not quite true.  Back in the 30s and 40s college all-star teams played professional team fairly regularly and won more often than not.

Okay, a little edit.  From 1934 to 1976 the NFL champions would play a team of college senior all-stars.  The NFL guys won 31 times, college guys 9, and two ties.

So, maybe the college guys didn't win more often than not, but it was a college all-star team against the NFL champs. 

I don't know the years of those college wins, but I'd bet many included men who were older than your typical collegian because they'd spent years at war.  The great postwar Notre Dame/Army teams consisted of a number of vets.

Plus, this was an era when going pro wasn't automatic even for great players.

I don't disagree with any of that.  However, you will notice that the response was to the assertion that the "...worst NFL team in history would beat the best college team in history by 30 points."  Clearly, this was not the case.

pcrouch3809

I don't know what some people are smoking, but a first team All American squad would not be able to beat the worst NFL team in the past 2 decades.  Over half of the players on an All American team will not start in their first year in the NFL.  It's no comparison.

arkansaspanic

there's no way... the defense in the NFL is on such a different level as well as the offense.  Think about how tough it is for top college athletes to adjust to the speed of the NFL.  They're bigger, faster and more talented.  An NFL team would line up run the ball all day stomping on college teams

hoggystyle78

No way. Even the worst NFL team would stomp the best NCAA team, get a grip. Grown men beating the snot out of college age kids, the college kids wouldn't have a chance in hell.

cosmodrum

There is NO WAY the best college team could beat the worst NFL team. Even the crappiest NFL team is made up of players that were all stars on their respective college team. Heisman trophy winners sometimes never last more than a couple of years. That's the best player in college not even playing in the NFL. Danny Wuerffel, Andre Ware, Gino Torretta, etc, the list goes on and on.

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