SB 724 Passes

[factchecker]

The provision was only a way to save face and claim it's about safety and not $$. What I don't get is what is in it for NRA? Will this increase gun sales?

Great question.  I don't understand how they have so much weight in our policies. Are our politicians not making enough money via salary that they have to whore out for groups like the NRA?

[theFlyingHog]

The NRA is an extremist organization to counter the anti-gun extremists. They aren't really that crazy, they just have to put up roadblocks or they will get steamrolled on something that's actually important.

[(notOM)Rebel123]

The provision was only a way to save face and claim it's about safety and not $$. What I don't get is what is in it for NRA? Will this increase gun sales?

To attract more dues paying members? They come out against anything that can be perceived as anti-2nd amendment, common sense be darned.

[bennyl08]

Great question.  I don't understand how they have so much weight in our policies. Are our politicians not making enough money via salary that they have to whore out for groups like the NRA?

They drum up irrational fear better than most others.

Also, before somebody says "the other side does the same thing", I didn't say nobody else does that too, just that the NRA is more successful at doing it as evidenced by them winning the gun control debate in politics a lot more than they ever lose.

[a0ashle]

The NRA is an extremist organization to counter the anti-gun extremists. They aren't really that crazy, they just have to put up roadblocks or they will get steamrolled on something that's actually important.

Doesn't this particular instance prove that theory wrong? This wasn't some preemptive strike on a gun ban or something like that.

[a0ashle]

To attract more dues paying members? They come out against anything that can be perceived as anti-2nd amendment, common sense be darned.

What was the catalyst for this bill then? This wasn't them coming out against some anti-2nd amendment, or at least not anything recent. University ban on guns had been around a while...

[(notOM)Rebel123]

What was the catalyst for this bill then? This wasn't them coming out against some anti-2nd amendment, or at least not anything recent. University ban on guns had been around a while...

I was speaking in regard to the NRA being against the "exemption" bill, not the original legislation that passed last week. They were very much against allowing the stadium/arena exemption.

[a0ashle]

I was speaking in regard to the NRA being against the "exemption" bill, not the original legislation that passed last week. They were very much against allowing the stadium/arena exemption.

Ahh... I see. I have a feeling they had a hand in the original too, but I don't know that as fact.

Side non-partisan note on lobbying, often times lobbyist will write the bill and hand it to congressmen to sponser, as is. That's infuriating on principle alone.

[factchecker]

https://twitter.com/SportsTalkwBo/status/847529647499874305

So some politicians are more concerned with the NRA's grading than the needs/wants of the voters.

[ricepig]

https://twitter.com/SportsTalkwBo/status/847529647499874305

So some politicians are more concerned with the NRA's grading than the needs/wants of the voters.

A NRA A+ grade is worth some campaign donations, and carries a lot of weight at the ballot box. They are good at getting out the vote for their backed candidates. I own guns, just shotguns, but I don't believe in every issue they back on automatic weapons, but citizens need the right to use theirs.

[factchecker]

but citizens need the right to use theirs.

I agree but why even involve the NRA.  Poll your citizens.  Do your job and get to know your voting base and how they feel.  Don't let $$$$$ influence your voting.

I know I'm naive.  It's just silly to me how so many people get pissed off when the Razorbacks raise ticket prices or switch to Pepsi to generate revenue but they are perfectly content with their government pimping out policies to get funding.

[PonderinHog]

I agree but why even involve the NRA.  Poll your citizens.  Do your job and get to know your voting base and how they feel.  Don't let $$$$$ influence your voting.

I know I'm naive.  It's just silly to me how so many people get pissed off when the Razorbacks raise ticket prices or switch to Pepsi to generate revenue but they are perfectly content with their government pimping out policies to get funding.

Isn't politics the second oldest profession?

[ricepig]

I agree but why even involve the NRA.  Poll your citizens.  Do your job and get to know your voting base and how they feel.  Don't let $$$$$ influence your voting.

I know I'm naive.  It's just silly to me how so many people get pissed off when the Razorbacks raise ticket prices or switch to Pepsi to generate revenue but they are perfectly content with their government pimping out policies to get funding.

The government didn't pimp anything out, the various legislators did. If I read it correctly, this bill has been in the works for 6-7 years. I'm not sure Collins knew exactly what was in the bill at the end, which isn't unusual, lol. Again, that favorable rating from the NRA means a lot of votes, try running in Arkansas against one with high ratings, and yours on the other end.

[hawgwash]

One thing I can't figure out is why this exemption wasn't included in the original bill.  I'm certain it wasn't just an oversight because reportedly Asa signed the original bill based on a promise this amendment would immediately follow.  And the similar bills around the country included stadiums as an exemption.  If the exemption had been included in the original bill, then the whole thing looks like a net win for the NRA by allowing guns most (but not all) places on the campus.  And we don't get lampooned in the national media.

[OhioHog]

What's amazing, 20 idiots voted against it.

Agreed!!!

[(notOM)Rebel123]

Isn't politics the second oldest profession?

I thought politics & the "oldest profession" were one in the same? 

[nwahogfan1]

As I've become older and seen a lot of politics I'm becoming more convinced that organizations having paid lobbyist should be outlawed.

I agree.  Too much money involved.  Makes even a good man turn bad.  I just bet you that lobbyist are in most if not all of our representatives pockets. 

[lefty08]

Not sure what is the big deal here. It's about time the university increased security.

[nwahogfan1]

Isn't politics the second oldest profession?

No, not if your like me and think it is directly connected to the oldest profession so 1a.

[jacobp]

Agreed!!!

I pretty much agree but It's not quite as easy as that. Lots of legislators have problems with how the original campus carry bill was written and instead of putting a bandaid on it with 724, wanted to go back and make more fixes. Problem is today is supposed to be the last day of the session.

I sincerely hope Charlie Collins doesn't see another term in the legislature

[Pork Twain]

Thank god this passed.

[Inhogswetrust]

I agree.  Too much money involved.  Makes even a good man turn bad.  I just bet you that lobbyist are in most if not all of our representatives pockets. 

Most don't even give a damn about what they are lobbying for. They are nothing but hired guns by the groups doing it for the money. They are the old style salesman that doesn't care about the product they sell as long as they make the sale and get to keep their job. 

[Boss Hog in the Arkansas]

My representative voted "present".  I checked and he voted that way for the original bill as well.

Must have balls made of glass. If he leans too far left or right, they might hit each other and crack. Gotta straddle that fence! 

[Inhogswetrust]

I pretty much agree but It's not quite as easy as that. Lots of legislators have problems with how the original campus carry bill was written and instead of putting a bandaid on it with 724, wanted to go back and make more fixes. Problem is today is supposed to be the last day of the session.

I sincerely hope Charlie Collins doesn't see another term in the legislature

The intersting thing is his views of what he himself described as "overreach" with SB202 about gays a while back especially since he has two gay siblings, yet he thinks carrying guns into places that already have security is fine and not "overreach". Ironic to say the least. Heck he isn't even from Arkansas. The only thing I respect him for is his graduating from one of our military academies.

[DeltaBoy]

Praise the LORD!!!

[Wildbill]

Praise the LORD!!!

Looks like my man voted Na, Think I'll have to run against him next year.  What an idiot!!

[TheGunther]

On KUAR (Little Rock NPR) this morning they ran a news story about how a Republican president has actually been bad for gun business.  As it turns out, a Democratic President allows the gun industry to drum up fear about gun and bullet bans, which drives gun sales.  Since Trump has taken office stocks of gun manufacturers/sales have plummeted as people feel relatively safe about their gun laws remaining intact.

I believe this is why the NRA is being so aggressive about passing new gun laws and playing on the fears of these defenseless people all over college campuses. They are trying to increase NRA membership and gun sales around the state. Arkansas isn't the only red state attempting to decrease gun regulation. 

[oldhawg]

I thought politics & the "oldest profession" were one in the same? 

Quite right.  Both involve negotiating deals.

[GoHogzzGo]

http://gridironnow.com/arkansas-use-snipers-razorback-stadium-count-says-rep/

Please make it stop holy heck. These knuckleheads must quit making National news negatively on this story. Goodness sakes.

[majestic]

Charlie Collins is an imbecile. I always thought he looked like one, now I know why.

[ricepig]

http://gridironnow.com/arkansas-use-snipers-razorback-stadium-count-says-rep/

Please make it stop holy heck. These knuckleheads must quit making National news negatively on this story. Goodness sakes.

Well, part of that is the UofA's fault. They told Collins that they had "observers" last year, and somehow snipers was used as who the "observers" were.

[GoHogzzGo]

Well, part of that is the UofA's fault. They told Collins that they had "observers" last year, and somehow snipers was used as who the "observers" were.

Lol, touché 

[TechHawg]

It really isn't hard to grasp when you actually think with your brain. There has never been anything in place to stop a psychopath hell bent on murder from bringing a gun into Razorback stadium. There were no metal detectors, no patdowns. Now with this new amendment to an overall great law, since the University doesn't want concealed carry, they will have to beef up security to try to keep all guns out. I like the amendment and I think that the bill is really good now.

[NuttinItUp]

North Carolina repealed their "bathroom bill" yesterday as well. Looks like governments will cave if there is enough public pressure against something.

[Inhogswetrust]

North Carolina repealed their "bathroom bill" yesterday as well. Looks like governments will cave if there is enough public pressure against something.

You mean the way they also caved to pass a bad bill to begin with...................Caving is only what they do when some people depending on which side you're on disagree with the other side.

[Kevin]

North Carolina repealed their "bathroom bill" yesterday as well. Looks like governments will cave if there is enough public pressure against something.

MONEY

[ricepig]

https://twitter.com/SportsTalkwBo/status/847843312006561792

[(notOM)Rebel123]

Well, part of that is the UofA's fault. They told Collins that they had "observers" last year, and somehow snipers was used as who the "observers" were.

There have been snipers at RRS for several years now.
Caution: graphic video

https://youtu.be/cZDI2X0EWLc

[elksnort]

On KUAR (Little Rock NPR) this morning they ran a news story about how a Republican president has actually been bad for gun business.  As it turns out, a Democratic President allows the gun industry to drum up fear about gun and bullet bans, which drives gun sales.  Since Trump has taken office stocks of gun manufacturers/sales have plummeted as people feel relatively safe about their gun laws remaining intact.

I believe this is why the NRA is being so aggressive about passing new gun laws and playing on the fears of these defenseless people all over college campuses. They are trying to increase NRA membership and gun sales around the state. Arkansas isn't the only red state attempting to decrease gun regulation. 

Interesting. And this makes total sense too. Ironic also, I suppose.

[elksnort]

North Carolina repealed their "bathroom bill" yesterday as well. Looks like governments will cave if there is enough public pressure against something.

Is this not how it is supposed to be?

[Sportster365]

Great question.  I don't understand how they have so much weight in our policies. Are our politicians not making enough money via salary that they have to whore out for groups like the NRA?

The NRA is a major player on the American right. The have a lot of influence that reaches much higher than the Arkansas State Legislature and just like in many other cases the group think mentality takes precedence.

"How's this going to make us look amongst our Republican peers nationally, we have to follow suit like good little soldiers."

"Can't do anything that makes us look like leftist," no matter how rational that would be.

[Grizzlyfan]

What's amazing, 20 idiots voted against it.

Observers predicted something more like 50/50 early in the day.  Some were surprised at the overwhelming nature of the vote.

[lstewart]

I work on the UA campus, and I find this all very annoying. Mr. Collins has pushed this issued for years. His original bill gave state college campuses the right to opt out of the "guns on campus" law, and every college in the state opted out. Clearly no college administration was in favor of adding guns to their campus. So Mr. Collins comes back and forces this down everyone's throat, when it was clear the colleges did not want the law. That shows to me that he does not care what those in charge of the campuses want, but only cares about his agenda. I've got a new voting policy I am going to use. I am going to vote for candidate's that have the lowest rating from the NRA. I have nothing against hunting and gun owners, but having these type law's passed when it is clear they were not wanted is enough. Maybe at some point NRA support can hurt a candidate instead of being something they have to sell out to get.

[Iwastherein1969]

Is this not how it is supposed to be?

I tire of hearing the LEFT in this country holding states hostage if you don't vote their way. Now I can understand the idea of a boycott if there blatant racism but good God almighty, to hold political ideology over people's heads such as people voting not to inact unisex bathrooms proves just how far to the left this country has gone. The new LEFT are socialists and borderline communist and the New RIGHT is the Democratic party of the 90's

[PorkRinds]

I tire of hearing the LEFT in this country holding states hostage if you don't vote their way. Now I can understand the idea of a boycott if there blatant racism but good God almighty, to hold political ideology over people's heads such as people voting not to inact unisex bathrooms proves just how far to the left this country has gone. The new LEFT are socialists and borderline communist and the New RIGHT is the Democratic party of the 90's

Yeah, how dare those people vote with their pocketbooks? They should just let the ignorant legislators do whatever the hell they want. Who are they to want a say? Just shut up and take it! YGBSM. Luckily most of you bass ackwards fogies will be gone within a decade or so.

[Peter Porker]

Yeah, how dare those people vote with their pocketbooks? They should just let the ignorant legislators do whatever the hell they want. Who are they to want a say? Just shut up and take it! YGBSM. Luckily most of you bass ackwards fogies will be gone within a decade or so.

So will the country...

[PorkRinds]

So will the country...

Doubtful. We will all be better off when these nanny state baby boomers from both sides die off and we can move forward. Two sides of the same anti-freedom coin.

[BroyledNutts]

I work on the UA campus, and I find this all very annoying. Mr. Collins has pushed this issued for years. His original bill gave state college campuses the right to opt out of the "guns on campus" law, and every college in the state opted out. Clearly no college administration was in favor of adding guns to their campus. So Mr. Collins comes back and forces this down everyone's throat, when it was clear the colleges did not want the law. That shows to me that he does not care what those in charge of the campuses want, but only cares about his agenda. I've got a new voting policy I am going to use. I am going to vote for candidate's that have the lowest rating from the NRA. I have nothing against hunting and gun owners, but having these type law's passed when it is clear they were not wanted is enough. Maybe at some point NRA support can hurt a candidate instead of being something they have to sell out to get.

If this is the logic you intend to employ moving forward every time you vote, instead of researching the laws being proposed and speaking with candidates about why they either support something or are against it, it may be in your best interest to just stop voting. You have the right not to vote. To arbitrarily assign your allegiance to someone you know nothing of who may very well willing or driven to strip you of every right you have is societal suicide; and it affects all of us, present and future. You're life a temporary point in time, and our Constitution and Bill of Rights are permanent cornerstones of our nation. If you're not willing to look any further into the future than the end of your nose to see how you're vote, and who you vote for, will affect all those yet to be, it would be better and more patriotic of you to never pull the lever again. I don't intend to be mean - I'm just offering you some elder advice to think about.

[DeltaBoy]

Good news for the Hogs!!!!

[PorkRinds]

If this is the logic you intend to employ moving forward every time you vote, instead of researching the laws being proposed and speaking with candidates about why they either support something or are against it, it may be in your best interest to just stop voting. You have the right not to vote. To arbitrarily assign your allegiance to someone you know nothing of who may very well willing or driven to strip you of every right you have is societal suicide; and it affects all of us, present and future. You're life a temporary point in time, and our Constitution and Bill of Rights are permanent cornerstones of our nation. If you're not willing to look any further into the future than the end of your nose to see how you're vote, and who you vote for, will affect all those yet to be, it would be better and more patriotic of you to never pull the lever again. I don't intend to be mean - I'm just offering you some elder advice to think about.

I don't intend to be mean, but screw this old guy. Vote how you wish.