Hogville "LEGEND" or real Star??

[Lake City Hog]

I am going to throw out a few names and you tell me legend or star and facts to back it up. Add others if you wish.
The one thing that all of these have in common is that Hogville built them up to a point of near unreachable heights before they ever set foot on campus.(unfairly I might add)

1 Kane Whitehurst
2 Vin Ascolese
3 Matt Jones
4 Jim Chaney
5 Randy Shannon
6 Sam Pittman
7 Matt Hall
8 Anthony Oden
9 Quinta Funderburk
Would prefer we didn't add any current players to the list.

[Ironhawg]

I can't remember his name.  Who was the kid from Texas they called Big Tex?  I'd say he is a Legend.

[Mike_e]

Dorieal Green-Beckham (sp?) has to be up there


Oh, wait.

[ArkansasI]

I am going to throw out a few names and you tell me legend or star and facts to back it up. Add others if you wish.
The one thing that all of these have in common is that Hogville built them up to a point of near unreachable heights before they ever set foot on campus.(unfairly I might add)

1 Kane Whitehurst
2 Vin Ascolese
3 Matt Jones
4 Jim Chaney
5 Randy Shannon
6 Sam Pittman
7 Matt Hall
8 Anthony Oden
9 Quinta Funderburk
Would prefer we didn't add any current players to the list.

All except Jones and Pittman are legends. Jones is both. Pittman is a star, but some here consider him a legend.

Thanks for the entertainment!

[scruf]

1 Kane Whitehurst (talented kid who played by his own rules instead of the team's rules and finished his career at South Carolina)
2 Vin Ascolese (wrote a poem and never made it to campus)
3 Matt Jones (one of the most exciting players to ever lace it up for the Razorbacks)
4 Jim Chaney (average play caller and below average QB coach at Arkansas)
5 Randy Shannon (big name but small work ethic according to a friend who was/is on staff)
6 Sam Pittman (one of the best OL coaches out there)
7 Matt Hall (talented OL who didn't pan out at Arkansas but made it to the NFL undrafted from a smaller school, can't remember which one)
8 Anthony Oden (mauler of an OL that wasn't focused off the field or on it)
9 Quinta Funderburk (WR with great measurables who bounced from Arkansas to Syracuse to Norfolk State without making any real impact along the way)

[MuskogeeHogFan]

1 Kane Whitehurst (talented kid who played by his own rules instead of the team's rules and finished his career at South Carolina)
2 Vin Ascolese (wrote a poem and never made it to campus)
3 Matt Jones (one of the most exciting players to ever lace it up for the Razorbacks)
4 Jim Chaney (average play caller and below average QB coach at Arkansas)
5 Randy Shannon (big name but small work ethic according to a friend who was/is on staff)
6 Sam Pittman (one of the best OL coaches out there)
7 Matt Hall (talented OL who didn't pan out at Arkansas but made it to the NFL undrafted from a smaller school, can't remember which one)
8 Anthony Oden (mauler of an OL that wasn't focused off the field or on it)
9 Quinta Funderburk (WR with great measurables who bounced from Arkansas to Syracuse to Norfolk State without making any real impact along the way)

Matt Hall began at Arkansas, transferred to Ole Miss and then transferred to Bellhaven University (Jackson, MS).

[HogFoo]

You forgot that DE that had crazy stats.  Size, speed, etc.. i think his name was Austin.  He had as much fanfare as Vinny did.  And i think he may have actually play a game or two before leaving with probably zero stats.

Its why i try to curb my enthusiasm until a player has played a few games first.  And with jucos, i try to curb the enthusiasm until they have play 8games or so.  I really really wish that we were at a point where we could redshirt a juco everytime we recruited one.   Go back and look at all the jucos we had over the years.  Which ones really took off right after they got here?  I cant think of many until around game 7 or 8.

[WizardofhOgZ]

You forgot that DE that had crazy stats.  Size, speed, etc.. i think his name was Austin.  He had as much fanfare as Vinny did.  And i think he may have actually play a game or two before leaving with probably zero stats.

Its why i try to curb my enthusiasm until a player has played a few games first.  And with jucos, i try to curb the enthusiasm until they have play 8games or so.  I really really wish that we were at a point where we could redshirt a juco everytime we recruited one.   Go back and look at all the jucos we had over the years.  Which ones really took off right after they got here?  I cant think of many until around game 7 or 8.

Austin Flynn

[WizardofhOgZ]

I can't remember his name.  Who was the kid from Texas they called Big Tex?  I'd say he is a Legend.

Jatashun Beachum

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=311318.100

[scruf]

Matt Hall began at Arkansas, transferred to Ole Miss and then transferred to Bellhaven University (Jackson, MS).

Thanks Muskogee, I forgot about his stop at Ole Miss.

[Piggfoot]

Matt Jones Star
Pittman star with reservations.
Remainder legends

[SooiecidetillNuttgone]

You forgot that DE that had crazy stats.  Size, speed, etc.. i think his name was Austin.  He had as much fanfare as Vinny did.  And i think he may have actually play a game or two before leaving with probably zero stats.

Its why i try to curb my enthusiasm until a player has played a few games first.  And with jucos, i try to curb the enthusiasm until they have play 8games or so.  I really really wish that we were at a point where we could redshirt a juco everytime we recruited one.   Go back and look at all the jucos we had over the years.  Which ones really took off right after they got here?  I cant think of many until around game 7 or 8.

Dead on.
This is why I don't care for JUCOs as a general rule.  A few will end up being worth the scholly, but almost all of them need a half to full season transition period.
As much as I love Dominique Reed, it took about a half a season for him to hit stride.  Worse, we only have his fantastic talents for one more season.
He's a definite home run too, though.

[SooiecidetillNuttgone]

Jatashun Beachum

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=311318.100

What about that highly rated Clarksville QB?  I can't remember his name.  He was a King Clown recruit.

[Vantage 8 dude]

What about that highly rated Clarksville QB?  I can't remember his name.  He was a King Clown recruit.

That would be one Gary Breashers (sp) if my memory serves me accurately. While ultimately much of his failure has to rest with him, from what I understand much of the drama issues surrounding this kid was his dad. Apparently daddy pretty much wanted Gary to be named college All-American before he even set foot on the practice field.

[SooiecidetillNuttgone]

That would be one Gary Breashers (sp) if my memory serves me accurately. While ultimately much of his failure has to rest with him, from what I understand much of the drama issues surrounding this kid was his dad. Apparently daddy pretty much wanted Gary to be named college All-American before he even set foot on the practice field.

Thanks.
I guess he would be a myth?

[bville_hog]

Who on here ever built Jim Chaney up? Most just wanted him to be servicable and were willing to take him to get pittman.  On Matt Jones, i don't recall too much build-up and even calling for him to play, but once he actually played you could see how good he was.

[WizardofhOgZ]

We've also had more than our share of duds at linebacker.

-Chip Gregory (who came in accalimed as an "athlete" who could play RB or LB, but actually ended up being ineffectual at both)

-Austin Moss

-And there was a Juco LB we signed late (summer) maybe 5-7 years ago.  His stats (something like 6'3" by 240 lbs) looked prototypical, so our fans immediately anointed him as our LB savior and an immediate starter.  He came in with 3 years to play and was a backup the entire time he was here.

[Inhogswetrust]

The biggest legend ever on Hogville was [you].

[Inhogswetrust]

Matt Hall began at Arkansas, transferred to Ole Miss and then transferred to Bellhaven University (Jackson, MS).

Nutty couldn't get a coaching job anywhere else for him to follow again......................

[TrueBlue]

Mitch Mustain and Gary Brashears in football

Willie Cutts in basketball. (I remember a certain sportscaster that mispronounced his last name on a live broadcast that still has me in tears!)

[Dark Helmet Hog]

I can think of 10-12 left off the list beginning with Ray Biggers and ending with Basil Shabazz. I just Stevin Hill somewhere in the middle. Fred Talley just ran by and reminded me I'm Nutts.

[PonderinHog]

I can think of 10-12 left off the list beginning with Ray Biggers and ending with Basil Shabazz. I just Stevin Hill somewhere in the middle. Fred Talley just ran by and reminded me I'm Nutts.

Don't forget the legend that was Nick Mason.

[Karma]

Remember Freddie Bradley? He broke everyone of OJ's records in California (except for acquittals) but did nothing here.

[scruf]

Who on here ever built Jim Chaney up? Most just wanted him to be servicable and were willing to take him to get pittman.  On Matt Jones, i don't recall too much build-up and even calling for him to play, but once he actually played you could see how good he was.

A lot of people called for Matt Jones to play early because the other options at QB were very limited.

[Lake City Hog]

I believe that Chaney was a part of the initial BB coaching staff that MANY on Hogville anointed as the "Greatest Staff ever assembled"! How many of you remember that?

The point of the OP is that over the years Hogville has proclaimed so many players and coaches as "Stars", Sure Things" and Future AA's" and totally whiffed! The worst part of that is that NOT ONE of them asked for that type of celebrity! None of them wanted to become a punchline! None of them deserved to become a punchline.

Yet EVERY year we have some of the exact same posters do that to kids and coaches. They put the expectation level so high that it would be nearly impossible to meet. Then when the kid doesn't meet that unreasonable expectation these same posters trash them.

[Pig in the Pokey]

Jatashun Beachum

http://www.hogville.net/yabbse/index.php?topic=311318.100

He was Devin White. 260 lbs with a 4.6 forty/

[Boardon Hamsay]

I can think of 10-12 left off the list beginning with Ray Biggers and ending with Basil Shabazz. I just Stevin Hill somewhere in the middle. Fred Talley just ran by and reminded me I'm Nutts.

These plus

The biggest legend ever on Hogville was [you].

[jchill]

Keante Minor and Springdale 5.

[Porkys Revenge]

Ryan Calendar??

[Wmhog]

Ryan Calendar??

Darnell Valentine out of California as next next great player for Nolan.  Could not walk and chew gum.  Lee Wilson in same class ended up being better.

[supersaint]

Darnell Valentine out of California as next next great player for Nolan.  Could not walk and chew gum.  Lee Wilson in same class ended up being better.

Robinson

[PigWig]

We've also had more than our share of duds at linebacker.

-Chip Gregory (who came in accalimed as an "athlete" who could play RB or LB, but actually ended up being ineffectual at both)

-Austin Moss

-And there was a Juco LB we signed late (summer) maybe 5-7 years ago.  His stats (something like 6'3" by 240 lbs) looked prototypical, so our fans immediately anointed him as our LB savior and an immediate starter.  He came in with 3 years to play and was a backup the entire time he was here.

Don't forget Otha Peters.

[Wmhog]

Robinson

Yes sir you are correct.  No idea where I got Valentine.

[swineology]

Peanut Adams was the GOAT

[BPsTheMan]

Willie Snodgrass

[thebignasty]

Jason Jennings

[Hoggish1]

1 Kane Whitehurst (talented kid who played by his own rules instead of the team's rules and finished his career at South Carolina)
2 Vin Ascolese (wrote a poem and never made it to campus)
3 Matt Jones (one of the most exciting players to ever lace it up for the Razorbacks)
4 Jim Chaney (average play caller and below average QB coach at Arkansas)
5 Randy Shannon (big name but small work ethic according to a friend who was/is on staff)
6 Sam Pittman (one of the best OL coaches out there)
7 Matt Hall (talented OL who didn't pan out at Arkansas but made it to the NFL undrafted from a smaller school, can't remember which one)
8 Anthony Oden (mauler of an OL that wasn't focused off the field or on it)
9 Quinta Funderburk (WR with great measurables who bounced from Arkansas to Syracuse to Norfolk State without making any real impact along the way)

6 Sam Pittman (one of the best OL coaches out there, who mailed it in for 2015 because he didn't have his buddy to hold his hand...)

[urkillnmesmalls]

Don't forget Otha Peters.

I saw him playing at UL Lafayette in a game this season against someone.  He still looks the part, but I don't know how he was doing there. 

[King]

Gary Brashears

[BPsTheMan]

Lob Sterdog

[hog.goblin]

Lance Ray

[SPAL]

Chris Baker
Willie hordge
Fred bledsoe
Ivora hall Jr.

[redeye]

1 Kane Whitehurst - Not highly recruited and mostly Hogville legend, but he still had some success with South Carolina.  Probably would have been a productive receiver at Arkansas.

2 Vin Ascolese - Hogville legend who wasn't highly recruited.  I still don't understand why he excited people, but I figured they knew something I didn't.

3 Matt Jones - Real star and shouldn't even be on this list, imo.  Highly recruited, had a great college career and seemed to be doing well in the pros until his personal problems caught up with him.

4 Jim Chaney - Real star and highly respected among his peers.  I still don't think he was a good OC for Arkansas, though.

5 Randy Shannon - Both, but he was a college football legend long before Hogville.  I don't think we reacted any different then anyone would have.

6 Sam Pittman - Mostly a real star, although I think we made him out to be a little better then he actually was.  Bielema has always had great linemen, but we seemed to think it was all due to Pittman.

7 Matt Hall - Highly recruited, but overrated.  I don't recall Hogville making a big deal out of him, even though he was rated high.

8 Anthony Oden - Same as above Matt Hall

9 Quinta Funderburk - Same as above as Matt Hall.

I've always found it interesting when Hogville jumps on the bandwagon of a lower rated player, because I never know what to expect.  In some cases, they turn out to be a pleasant surprise and every bit as good as I've heard.  Dominique Reed and Drew Morgan were that way this year.  Korliss Marshall, Josh Liddell, Dre Greenlaw and Zach Hocker are others on this list.

But in other cases, the players were vastly overrated and that was obvious to me the first time I saw them play.  Oddly, I can't remember any examples, but I know there were several that were doozies.

When Hogville gets excited, I also get excited, but I still wait until I see the player play before allowing myself to feel confident about his abilities.  But I do the same thing with recruiting service ratings, because their opinions can be almost as bad.

[jkstock04]

Ahh good ole Kane whitehurst. That's the last time I ever judged what a kid would do here based on a highlight reel. Highlight reels mean absolutely nothing as far as a future indicator.

His situation is proof positive that Til they actually do something with a Hog uniform on in live game action....anything else said beforehand as to what their future holds is pure speculation and based more on fantasy than fact.

[hoghiker]

Robinson

Robinson could play. He just wasn't ready for the NBA when he decided to leave. One of the top five stupidest decision by a UA athlete ever.

[DeltaBoy]

Gary Brashears

Basil Shabazz
The running back from Wynne who faxed his Letter in Unsigned and went to Memphis.

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Vin Ascolese never made it to campus because he got arrested for beating up Chuck Norris.

[urkillnmesmalls]

Vin Ascolese never made it to campus because he got arrested for beating up Chuck Norris.

Don't believe it.  More likely that he would have sent him a poem for intimidation, thus eliminating any need to actually throw down. 

Roses are red, violets are blue
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[Boardon Hamsay]

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[Hawgphish]

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