John Calipari

[mizzouman]

If college basketball went to a model like college baseball, how will Calipari do?  Will he have the same success knowing that he has to keep the players for 3 years and keep the eligible, and not get the one and dones?

[Atlhogfan1]

Yes.  He coaches at Kentucky.  He is a good enough coach and would still be a good enough recruiter to where they would almost always have the most talented team on the court.  Failing at UK seems to involve alcohol. 

If he were still at Memphis, then maybe not. 

[Inhogswetrust]

Cal I hate to admit is a damn good coach. He would do fine. He did before the one and done deal started. He does have skirt the rules reputation though.

[Hawg Red]

Poythress and WCS are juniors. The bigger hit would come from not getting kids that go pro. Most of the kids he gets are the ones that would go pro out of HS under a baseball model.

[Paul]

I've watched him since Memphis days.  He's a mediocre bench coach but he knows it.  He gave the national championship game to KU.  He absolutely must have more talent to beat you.

[DOGALUM]

I've watched him since Memphis days.  He's a mediocre bench coach but he knows it.  He gave the national championship game to KU.  He absolutely must have more talent to beat you.

Wow.  You ARE an old timer.   All the way back in his Memphis days?

Damn!

I wonder what he was doing from 88-96?   

[Inhogswetrust]

Wow.  You ARE an old timer.   All the way back in his Memphis days?

Damn!

I wonder what he was doing from 88-96?   

That's easy............this:

University of Massachusetts[edit]
From 1988 to 1996 at UMass, Calipari led the Minutemen program to five consecutive Atlantic 10 titles and NCAA Tournament appearances, including periods where the program was ranked first nationally. He finished with a 193–71 record overall, with a 91–41 record in Atlantic 10 conference games. Calipari was named Atlantic 10 Coach of the Year in 1992, 1993, and 1996. He was also named the Naismith, NABC, Basketball Times & Sporting News National Coach of the Year in 1996. He led UMass to its first-ever appearance in the Final Four with the play of the John R. Wooden Award winner and Naismith College Player of the Year Marcus Camby, although this appearance was later vacated by the NCAA because Camby had accepted about $28,000 from two sports agents.[8]

Calipari helped accelerate the construction of the Mullins Center, UMass' basketball and hockey facility. He also reached out to eastern Massachusetts and Boston to enlarge the fan base. Before moving on to the New Jersey Nets, Calipari became the second winningest coach in UMass history behind Jack Leaman.[9]

In February 2010, Pat Forde, at the time the writer of a regular college sports column called "Forde Minutes" for ESPN.com, recalled the 1992 team:

Calipari's greatest strength as a coach is his ability to create teams that play together. His 1992 Massachusetts team remains one of the most overachieving units The Minutes has ever seen, featuring a shooting guard with range so limited he made one 3-pointer all season (Jim McCoy), a 6-foot-3 power forward (Will Herndon), and a left-handed center who stood all of 6–7 (Harper Williams). Somehow, that collection of marginal talent went 30–5 and advanced to the NCAA Sweet 16.[10]


P.S. Paul doesn't know what he's talking about. I don't care what Paul says he is a pretty good bench coach and a real good practice coach. Except for Camby's teams there he overachieved as Forde said. You don't overachieve without having a good coach. I still don't like him though. I will always wonder what would have happened if they couldn't have held back Chaney from getting to him!

[The_Iceman]

If college basketball went to the baseball model, do you think it would help or hurt the parity in College Basketball?

[Cresthog]

If college basketball went to the baseball model, do you think it would help or hurt the parity in College Basketball?

I bet a lot more players would jump overseas for a year or two.

[BRHogfan]

The one thing everyone here ignores, is that you actually get drafted in baseball and then get to pick college or pro.

[Hawg Red]

The one thing everyone here ignores, is that you actually get drafted in baseball and then get to pick college or pro.

There's also 9,000 rounds in the MLB draft and 2 in the NBA.

[PORKULATOR]

I bet a lot more players would jump overseas for a year or two.

Correct
Half the kids he coaches couldn't stay eligible for more than a year.

[Danny J]

If college basketball went to a model like college baseball, how will Calipari do?  Will he have the same success knowing that he has to keep the players for 3 years and keep the eligible, and not get the one and dones?

I would argue he would do even better if he were able to have a roster full of McDAA's that were forced to stay in school 3 years. As a matter of fact I really wouldn't need to argue it.

[Inhogswetrust]

Correct
Half the kids he coaches couldn't stay eligible for more than a year.

How in the world do you think you know that? Do you have copies of their transcripts? No.

He is on the record as actually being against the one and done rule. BUT since it is in place he will use it.

[ErieHog]

The one thing everyone here ignores, is that you actually get drafted in baseball and then get to pick college or pro.

That's one of the two major differences; the other, is that unlike in baseball, there are very lucrative opportunities to earn money playing basketball abroad, while waiting to become draft eligible, that will not hurt your draft status.

[FaytownHog]

The one thing everyone here ignores, is that you actually get drafted in baseball and then get to pick college or pro.

That's the way it should be in basketball too. Go pro or go to school for 3 years minimum. I'd support it (if my vote meant anything. lol).

[FaytownHog]

Correct
Half the kids he coaches couldn't stay eligible for more than a year.

Yes they would be kept eligible if you get my drift.... I mean, do you think they actually are going to class and earning those grades like the rest of the students already? Not at any major university.

[lefty08]

I'll finish the title for you:



Is a slimeball scumbag

[PonderinHog]

I'll finish the title for you:



Is a slimeball scumbag

I was pulling for John Chaney!

[hawgmasta]

China in ten years will start pulling more guys out of our country that don't want to wait. They love basketball, and are making more money each year. I'm almost thirty and I do believe in my lifetime China will actually compete with salaries for NBA superstars. Now I could be 70 when it happens but it's definitely on a bell curve.

[mizzouman]

How in the world do you think you know that? Do you have copies of their transcripts? No.

He is on the record as actually being against the one and done rule. BUT since it is in place he will use it.

Don't kid yourself.  Callipari LOVES the one and done rule.  It allows him to get all these McAA players and keep rolling them over to find space on the roster while other schools have no shot at these guys.  If they had to stay 3 years, then he couldn't bring these kids in at the rate he is now.

[MountieDawg]

Don't kid yourself.  Callipari LOVES the one and done rule.  It allows him to get all these McAA players and keep rolling them over to find space on the roster while other schools have no shot at these guys.  If they had to stay 3 years, then he couldn't bring these kids in at the rate he is now.

Are you Nostrodumass. He is at UK and he can recruit anywhere. What makes you think they would not go to the place where basketball is king, living facilities are ridiculous, media coverage is greater than anywhere else.

[Inhogswetrust]

Yes they would be kept eligible if you get my drift.... I mean, do you think they actually are going to class and earning those grades like the rest of the students already? Not at any major university.

Perhaps you need to check the progress reports and graduation rates before spouting off.

[Inhogswetrust]

Don't kid yourself.  Callipari LOVES the one and done rule.  It allows him to get all these McAA players and keep rolling them over to find space on the roster while other schools have no shot at these guys.  If they had to stay 3 years, then he couldn't bring these kids in at the rate he is now.

I don't have to kid myself. I live in memphis and was here when he was hired and left. He had 13 early entries in his time at Memphis. He is a masterful recruiter. He can get them and he would love for them to stay around awhile. He himself has said so.That would be in his best interest. If he could get them to stay he might have several NC's with some of the players he's had over the years. BUT the rule is they don't have to stay so he uses it to his advantage. The BIG question is why don't other coaches do so. They can recruit them the same way if they like. People should be asking WHY their schools coach can't recruit like he can and get multiple high school AA's so much. Don't get me wrong I still don't like the guy.

[Inhogswetrust]

I was pulling for John Chaney!

Me too!

[Paul]

I don't have to kid myself. I live in memphis and was here when he was hired and left. He had 13 early entries in his time at Memphis. He is a masterful recruiter. He can get them and he would love for them to stay around awhile. He himself has said so.That would be in his best interest. If he could get them to stay he might have several NC's with some of the players he's had over the years. BUT the rule is they don't have to stay so he uses it to his advantage. The BIG question is why don't other coaches do so. They can recruit them the same way if they like. People should be asking WHY their schools coach can't recruit like he can and get multiple high school AA's so much. Don't get me wrong I still don't like the guy.

One of my best friend's gave Cal his 1st big product endorsement contracts when he came to Memphis.  He still talks to him frequently.  Cal has mastered the art of cheating through World Wide Wes.  He makes his assistants handle all the details so he can deny any knowledge of the transactions. The Final Four appearances at UMass & Memphis were vacated but they couldn't touch him because he left no direct trail.  He is a master recruiter but not a good bench coach by any stretch of the imagination.  If Pat Forde is your reference, that's your problem.   

[Inhogswetrust]

  One of my best friend's gave Cal his 1st big product endorsement contracts when he came to Memphis.  He still talks to him frequently.  Cal has mastered the art of cheating through World Wide Wes.  He makes his assistants handle all the details so he can deny any knowledge of the transactions. The Final Four appearances at UMass & Memphis were vacated but they couldn't touch him because he left no direct trail.  He is a master recruiter but not a good bench coach by any stretch of the imagination.  If Pat Forde is your reference, that's your problem.   

So a guy you know gives him a product endorsement deal and he suddenly knows everything about Cal's recruiting? Pat Forde isn't my reference to Cal being a good coach. All Forde did was show where Umass overachieved while Cal was there and except for Camby's time that is true. I've seen it with my own eyes and talked to others that would be in the know asa far as Cals coaching. No as far as using World Wide has been been disciplined for that? Not to my knowledge. As far as using Assistant coaches and others for "Plausible Deniability" I can believe it.  But that is another way around the rules that 90% of coaches use. Can you name me a coach that their assistants don't recruit for them? I'm not saying Cal is a saint of a person or Hall of Fame type coach. I don't believe either of those BUT he is a good coach that doesn't do anything that 90% of coaches at that level don't do. To his credit he knows how to "work" the system. If that makes him a slime ball then so be it. Coaching college basketball is probably the slimiest coaching fraternity in coaching. I don't think he's any slimier than a lot of other coaches and I don't like him but you have to give him credit where credit is due. The biggest problem with college basketball and recruiting is all theses damn summer league teams and AAU people the coaches have to deal with. Those are the real slime balls in the sport.

[Paul]

So a guy you know gives him a product endorsement deal and he suddenly knows everything about Cal's recruiting? Pat Forde isn't my reference to Cal being a good coach. All Forde did was show where Umass overachieved while Cal was there and except for Camby's time that is true. I've seen it with my own eyes and talked to others that would be in the know asa far as Cals coaching. No as far as using World Wide has been been disciplined for that? Not to my knowledge. As far as using Assistant coaches and others for "Plausible Deniability" I can believe it.  But that is another way around the rules that 90% of coaches use. Can you name me a coach that their assistants don't recruit for them? I'm not saying Cal is a saint of a person or Hall of Fame type coach. I don't believe either of those BUT he is a good coach that doesn't do anything that 90% of coaches at that level don't do. To his credit he knows how to "work" the system. If that makes him a slime ball then so be it. Coaching college basketball is probably the slimiest coaching fraternity in coaching. I don't think he's any slimier than a lot of other coaches and I don't like him but you have to give him credit where credit is due. The biggest problem with college basketball and recruiting is all theses damn summer league teams and AAU people the coaches have to deal with. Those are the real slime balls in the sport.

I did

[MountieDawg]

Cal's players love him....  They all come black every summer and make at least one game when they can with their NBA schedule. Most credit him for their success. He also genuinely cares about what is best for the player, not him or the University of Kentucky. Some UK fans hate that because they want him to talk the players in to staying. He knows the NBA can change the players and their families life.

[chenalhog]

If college basketball went to a model like college baseball, how will Calipari do?  Will he have the same success knowing that he has to keep the players for 3 years and keep the eligible, and not get the one and dones?

they only get better

[WarPig88]

Yes.  He coaches at Kentucky.  He is a good enough coach and would still be a good enough recruiter to where they would almost always have the most talented team on the court.  Failing at UK seems to involve alcohol. 

If he were still at Memphis, then maybe not.

No he wouldn't.

He has mostly underachieved with his talent. The current rules allow him to hog all the talent by offering playing time.

He couldn't do that anymore and would find himself coaching AGAINST more teams with players of his caliber.

There is a reason the man only made one final four at Memphis even though he had good talent. He often fell on his face when going up against an equal opponent come tourney time.

Cal is a myth and going to the baseball model would magnify this.

[MountieDawg]

No he wouldn't.

He has mostly underachieved with his talent. The current rules allow him to hog all the talent by offering playing time.

He couldn't do that anymore and would find himself coaching AGAINST more teams with players of his caliber.

There is a reason the man only made one final four at Memphis even though he had good talent. He often fell on his face when going up against an equal opponent come tourney time.

Cal is a myth and going to the baseball model would magnify this.

If Cal was here, Bud Walton would be full again and the NCAA tourney would be a given. More than that you would be his biggest fan!!!

[WarPig88]

Are you Nostrodumass. He is at UK and he can recruit anywhere. What makes you think they would not go to the place where basketball is king, living facilities are ridiculous, media coverage is greater than anywhere else.

It's called math. He is signing about 5 of these guys each season.

I'll let you figure out the size of a roster and how quickly it would take to fill one up at that rate.

Also figure that traditionally, Cal only plays about 8 guys and the number one thing he sells these kids is gone....................playing time.

[WarPig88]

If Cal was here, Bud Walton would be full again and the NCAA tourney would be a given. More than that you would be his biggest fan!!!

Ncaa tourney hasn't been a given at Kentucky for him or have you forgotten that they didn't even make the field just 2 years ago with two lottery picks.

Underachieving.

[MountieDawg]

Ncaa tourney hasn't been a given at Kentucky for him or have you forgotten that they didn't even make the field just 2 years ago with two lottery picks.

Underachieving.

Did you forget the 1 lottery pick tore up his knee and was out for the season. So who in the past 4 years has an Elite 8, 2 Final Fours, and a NCAA Championship?