Record in BWA vs road by coach

[Atlhogfan1]

Nolan:

BWA 124-22 85%
Road during the BWA seasons 37-52 42%

Home
16   0 -'93-94 season
14   1
14   4
15   3
15   0
14   2
9   5
16   2
11   5

Road
7   2 - '93-94
7   3
3   6
3   8
5   6
4   6
2   8
3   6
3   7

Heath:

BWA 59-21 74%
Road 9-37 20%

Home
8   8
10   6
13   3
15   1
13   3

Road
1   9
1   8
2   7
3   5
2   8

Pelphrey:

BWA 54-18 75%
Road 7-30 19%

Home
15   1
12   6
12   8
15   3

Road
2   7
1   9
2   7
2   7

Anderson:

BWA 57-6 90%
Road 6-27 18%

Home
17   3
17   1
17   2
6   0

Road
1   9
1   9
3   7
1   2

BWA 294-67 81%
Road 59-146 29%


Thought I would post just the numbers since we are having so many discussions about home vs road.  Spin them however you like.  We can go back and add context such as our situations, our competition, rule changes, officiating, players etc.  If someone wants to do it, perhaps make statistical comparisons such as FG%, FTA discrepancies, turnovers, rebounding,... 

Our conference has become one dominated by home court in spite of the conference not having tough venues from an atmosphere standpoint. 

I think this does give an idea of why our fans have formed the impressions they have of how they expect our teams to perform at home.

For comparison, UK is 519 - 64 89% in Rupp.
At the beginning of the season, Duke 771 - 150 84% in Cameron, Coach K 413 - 55 88%.
Syracuse in the Carrier Dome 279 - 57 83%
Carolina only lists Dean and Roy's records in the Dean Dome.  I guess they want to forget the others.  They are each around 89%.

Factors have to be considered such as the depth of the ACC and the old Big East. 

Just statistically and with many down seasons, we have a home court advantage close to the Elite.

[Kevin]

Great research.

[poloprince]

A+ and now the one's that think road wins are so easy to come by will reconsider.  It's not the scheme nor the coach, the players must play.  I am certain we get 4 or 5 road wins this season.  It's not the x's and o's, it the jim's and the joe's.

[latrops]

A+ and now the one's that think road wins are so easy to come by will reconsider.  It's not the scheme nor the coach, the players must play.  I am certain we get 4 or 5 road wins this season.  It's not the x's and o's, it the jim's and the joe's.

Who is saying road wins are easy to come by?  They aren't, which is why missed opportunities like Clemson are so frustrating.  Can't get where we all want to be if we can't beat the bad teams on the road a little more consistently.

[-Blu]

+1 for the research ATL.

[hogsanity]

A+ and now the one's that think road wins are so easy to come by will reconsider.  It's not the scheme nor the coach, the players must play.  I am certain we get 4 or 5 road wins this season.  It's not the x's and o's, it the jim's and the joe's.

So the coaches are all, always able to get players that mysteriously can not play on the road?  Really? 

[Danny J]

Who is saying road wins are easy to come by?  They aren't, which is why missed opportunities like Clemson are so frustrating.  Can't get where we all want to be if we can't beat the bad teams on the road a little more consistently.

While I agree with the OP I think what you post is even more relevant. We had that game won and just blew it. It is frustrating to see us win at Rupp in OT then proceed to get our butts whipped at Alabama then lose in the SECt to the second worst team in the conference on a neutral court. That is what is baffling.

[Inhogswetrust]

IF Mike doesn't survive at Arkansas this could be his downfall. I'm NOT saying it is time for that though but at some point he has to start making road game victories at least semi respectable.

[Biggus Piggus]

While I agree with the OP I think what you post is even more relevant. We had that game won and just blew it. It is frustrating to see us win at Rupp in OT then proceed to get our butts whipped at Alabama then lose in the SECt to the second worst team in the conference on a neutral court. That is what is baffling.

Then improve the team by all accounts, and play fairly well in a road win at SMU, but not even show up for a road game at Iowa State, and play like crap until completely blowing a road game at Clemson.

[Boardon Hamsay]

Good info, OP

IF Mike doesn't survive at Arkansas this could be his downfall. I'm NOT saying it is time for that though but at some point he has to start making road game victories at least semi respectable.

I agree. As bad as the SEC looks overall, I think getting 4 or 5 road conference wins is manageable with our schedule this year.

[Atlhogfan1]

I wasn't making a statement about any of our coaches with the OP.  Just providing the raw numbers for the most part.  More context needs to be added and this discussion can go down a lot of paths.

Adding the end success of each team:

Nolan:

BWA 124-22 85%
Road during the BWA seasons 37-52 42%

Home
16   0 -'93-94 season NC
14   1 Runner up
14   4 Sweet 16
15   3 NIT F4
15   0 NCAAT 2nd R
14   2 NCAAT 2nd R
9   5 NCAAT - Had to win SECT
16   2 NCAAT
11   5

Road
7   2 - '93-94 NC
7   3 Rup
3   6 Sweet 16
3   8 NIT F4
5   6 NCAAT 2nd R
4   6 NCAAT 2nd R
2   8 NCAAT - Had to win SECT
3   6 NCAAT
3   7

Heath:

BWA 59-21 74%
Road 9-37 20%

Home
8   8
10   6
13   3
15   1 NCAAT
13   3 NCAAT

Road
1   9
1   8
2   7
3   5 NCAAT
2   8 NCAAT

Pelphrey:

BWA 54-18 75%
Road 7-30 19%

Home
15   1 NCAAT 2nd R
12   6
12   8
15   3

Road
2   7 NCAAT 2nd R
1   9
2   7
2   7

Anderson:

BWA 57-6 90%
Road 6-27 18%

Home
17   3
17   1
17   2 NIT
6   0

Road
1   9
1   9
3   7  NIT
1   2

BWA 294-67 81%
Road 59-146 29%

Neutral court should be looked at as some ooc opportunities have come in pre conference tourney and events as well as SECT opportunities to make impressions on the committee:

Neutral court (does not include NLR):

Mike: 1-7
Pel:  7-8 (6-3 in first season and last time we won an SECT game)
Heath: 12-10 (one loss to Illinois in Chicago)

Pel and Heath struggled in NLR. 

[Atlhogfan1]

We've made the NCAAT 3 times in this span with 2 road wins:  2000 when we won the SECT, Heath's last team which made the SECT final and Pel's first season when we made a run to the SECT final. 

Three road wins: 3 NCAAT's and 2 NITs, no postseason once

Heath had neutral court wins over KU and TT, a late season win streak and an SECT win.  Nolan had four 3 road win seasons and Mike has had one - last season ending in the NIT due in part because of failing in the SECT. 

[BentonvilleJeff]

Liked this research. Thanks.

Are you sure about Syracuse? I would think they've played a lot more in there than we have at Walton. How new is the Carrier Dome?

[ErieHog]

Then improve the team by all accounts, and play fairly well in a road win at SMU, but not even show up for a road game at Iowa State, and play like crap until completely blowing a road game at Clemson.

It is informative that they can play like hammered dog doo-doo, and still be in a position to win a game at Clemson, or, as they did, find a way to lose it in the last minute.

[Danny J]

Then improve the team by all accounts, and play fairly well in a road win at SMU, but not even show up for a road game at Iowa State, and play like crap until completely blowing a road game at Clemson.

frustrating no doubt. Likely not going to be any better going forward. I certainly have seen no signs anyways. It wouldn't surprise me in the least to see us win at UGA then get smoked at Tenn.

[mbgrulz]

Looks like 4 road wins is a magic number. Heath and Pel could never reach that. Pel never hit more than 2 road wins....that's crazy! We got 3 on the road last year and that was the best in 8 years. Now we need to get to 4 road wins. dang! Clemson would have made that easier.

[Atlhogfan1]

Liked this research. Thanks.

Are you sure about Syracuse? I would think they've played a lot more in there than we have at Walton. How new is the Carrier Dome?

http://www.cuse.com/facilities/carrier-dome.aspx

I thought that too.

[pigture perfect]

Wow! Those numbers have to make us the best fans in the world. Signed, the Optimist.

[WarPig88]

Liked this research. Thanks.

Are you sure about Syracuse? I would think they've played a lot more in there than we have at Walton. How new is the Carrier Dome?

Syracuse played in some dumpy small gym during the 80s. I remember watching them beat Phi Slamma Jamma in it on TV.

[BentonvilleJeff]

http://www.cuse.com/facilities/carrier-dome.aspx

I thought that too.

Thanks for the link. That's surprising to me.

[PonderinHog]

Did the Carrier Dome ever get air conditioning?  Oh, the irony.

[Biggus Piggus]

I had some goob try to tell me that the home/road differential was deceiving because the home record was so good. Gawd. The road record, you can't massage that mess.

Now - I still believe the main problem with Arkansas's road record is guard play. Improve the guards, everything will be alright. Do we have enough on the current roster? Or do we wait a year? As the young guards work into the lineup, things will get better this season.

I was listening to Donnie Tyndall last night. Coach of Tennessee. Did you know he employs a wear-and-tear press? Then falls back into a halfcourt zone. Anyway, he was talking about how much harder it is to play his style on the road because the home team has the home crowd energy that makes it harder to wear them down.

Tyndall talked about how it is hard to stay committed to the wear-and-tear press on the road, and therefore harder to win on the road in this style. He struggles with strategic options when the press becomes a liability on the road. You gotta manage the team so you still play at your talent level. Arkansas in recent years has played over its head at home because of the style, but the Hogs also looked exposed on the road, worse than they were.

[WarPig88]

I had some goob try to tell me that the home/road differential was deceiving because the home record was so good. Gawd. The road record, you can't massage that mess.

Now - I still believe the main problem with Arkansas's road record is guard play. Improve the guards, everything will be alright. Do we have enough on the current roster? Or do we wait a year? As the young guards work into the lineup, things will get better this season.

I was listening to Donnie Tyndall last night. Coach of Tennessee. Did you know he employs a wear-and-tear press? Then falls back into a halfcourt zone. Anyway, he was talking about how much harder it is to play his style on the road because the home team has the home crowd energy that makes it harder to wear them down.

Tyndall talked about how it is hard to stay committed to the wear-and-tear press on the road, and therefore harder to win on the road in this style. He struggles with strategic options when the press becomes a liability on the road. You gotta manage the team so you still play at your talent level. Arkansas in recent years has played over its head at home because of the style, but the Hogs also looked exposed on the road, worse than they were.

This does not explain the poor road records of the coaches who played a different style of ball though.

Obviously, there is more going on here than guard play or style of play. Heath had some very good guard and inside play on his teams that put together similar road records. Same with Pel's first team.

I think if anything, this data shows that it is not as easy to win on the road in this league as many here have thought.

It absolutely has to change, but it isn't a system issue according to the data.

[Kevin]

paul westhead's run & gun style at Loyola Marymount, did not care if it was at home or on the road, they just got after it

do what you do, you cannot play one way at home, then try and do something else on the road.

[PonderinHog]

If we continue to settle for outside shots on the road, we'll probably continue to suffer the same fate.  First, feed the beast.  Ah, screw it.

[Biggus Piggus]

This does not explain the poor road records of the coaches who played a different style of ball though.

Obviously, there is more going on here than guard play or style of play. Heath had some very good guard and inside play on his teams that put together similar road records. Same with Pel's first team.

I think if anything, this data shows that it is not as easy to win on the road in this league as many here have thought.

It absolutely has to change, but it isn't a system issue according to the data.

Guard play was the weakness of almost all of Heath's teams. Dontell Jefferson? Eric Ferguson? Modica was a good two guard, but Heath doghoused him most of the time. Didn't even want him around. All of us were begging for Heath to recruit more guards. His last team had Beverley, Ervin and Welsh. Finally started to improve the backcourt, then Heath was gone.

[HogsBalls]

Goes to show that wins on the road are few and far between and are tough to come by.

[Inhogswetrust]

Did the Carrier Dome ever get air conditioning?  Oh, the irony.

Good question. Last I saw it didn't have it. It really only needs it for about half or so of football season though. It gets really cold early in upland NY.

[Inhogswetrust]

paul westhead's run & gun style at Loyola Marymount, did not care if it was at home or on the road, they just got after it

do what you do, you cannot play one way at home, then try and do something else on the road.

We had a coach more similar to that style before Nolan with Van Eman.....................the difference was Nolan also stressed D.

[Atlhogfan1]

I had some goob try to tell me that the home/road differential was deceiving because the home record was so good. Gawd. The road record, you can't massage that mess.

Now - I still believe the main problem with Arkansas's road record is guard play. Improve the guards, everything will be alright. Do we have enough on the current roster? Or do we wait a year? As the young guards work into the lineup, things will get better this season.

I was listening to Donnie Tyndall last night. Coach of Tennessee. Did you know he employs a wear-and-tear press? Then falls back into a halfcourt zone. Anyway, he was talking about how much harder it is to play his style on the road because the home team has the home crowd energy that makes it harder to wear them down.

Tyndall talked about how it is hard to stay committed to the wear-and-tear press on the road, and therefore harder to win on the road in this style. He struggles with strategic options when the press becomes a liability on the road. You gotta manage the team so you still play at your talent level. Arkansas in recent years has played over its head at home because of the style, but the Hogs also looked exposed on the road, worse than they were.

Neutral court hasn't been much better for our program since 07-08.

Our program hasn't won an SECT game since 2008.

Mike had a respectable neutral court record in his last two season's at Mizzou, 7-6, thanks to going 3-1 in Padre and Cancun and beating Illinois twice.  His postseason record was 2-3.

For me when watching Mike's teams at Mizzou from afar, it wasn't so much the overall road record as they won road games those last few seasons.  It was the horrific road performances where they got steamrolled nearly every season and sometimes by inferior opponents.  Our Bama game last season wasn't an anomaly. 

This does not explain the poor road records of the coaches who played a different style of ball though.

Obviously, there is more going on here than guard play or style of play. Heath had some very good guard and inside play on his teams that put together similar road records. Same with Pel's first team.

I think if anything, this data shows that it is not as easy to win on the road in this league as many here have thought.

It absolutely has to change, but it isn't a system issue according to the data.

Heath could not land the consistent perimeter scorer.  Or wouldn't play Modica enough as some argue.  If he could have gotten someone like Lofton, things may have been different.  He had a nearly total rebuild to do though and missed his first few classes in this area. 

It is a lot on the system right now.  For Heath and Pelphrey, it was both personnel and coaching.  You can see when they had their better teams from a talent standpoint, the neutral court records were okay and when combined with the couple of road wins the teams made the NCAAT.  But I don't know many who would argue that either were ready for or qualified for our job when they were hired.  Pel may never be ready for a job like ours.  Stan may have been learning on the job but just doing it much slower than we wanted and the mess behind the scenes and unbalanced scholarship situation suggests he may have been heading for a decline and certainly another rebuild.  Are we deflecting and giving Mike a pass because these two couldn't be successful at Arkansas?  He is supposed to be a significant upgrade. 

Goes to show that wins on the road are few and far between and are tough to come by.

They have become tougher I believe in the SEC for all teams.  Officiating home team vs road has seemed to affect the flow of games in this conference too much and has hurt the quality of the play and probably held the conference down a little.  But, the lower quality of the teams and how they play has contributed as well.  Going back to OM and Barnes and his style of playing basically rugby on the basketball court.  UGa is a team currently who will be physical and doesn't mind turning a game into a FT contest.  For a team that likes to play with tempo like we do, we need to make FGs at a nice percentage to have a chance to force pace on the road.  Otherwise the pattern ensues of the home team getting into the bonus with 10+ left in each half and the game bogs down.  We have contributed to this with poor defensive play in being out of position and giving officials their chances to make calls. 

I'll see about comparing conferences.  I did this at some point last season I believe with fouls or FTA's per game and the SEC was at or near the top.  With conferences not having their own officials, they cannot be blamed solely for this though.  I again put some blame on the coaching in the SEC. 

If the quality of players we are getting and developing increases, we should have more success on the road no matter the style or SEC game officiating.  This should happen this season as our team is a little better.  If you consider the talent on each of our teams and then look at the road and neutral court records, you will see a correlation to success.  This is far from the only or easiest explanation or solution but we need to get more talent.  As Biggus says, right now that is at guard because of how we want to play.

[code red]

A+ and now the one's that think road wins are so easy to come by will reconsider.  It's not the scheme nor the coach, the players must play.  I am certain we get 4 or 5 road wins this season.  It's not the x's and o's, it the jim's and the joe's.

But...need to be doing a little better in SEC road contests for sure.

[mhuff]

Great research.