Incarnate Word beats Nebraska

[twistitup]

If it makes you feel any better.....Neb got beat by somebody named Incarnate Word out of San Antonio.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/blogs/ncaab-the-dagger/nebraska-careens-further-off-track-with-shocking-loss-to-incarnate-word-043957480.html

[lefty08]

FIRE THE COACH!!!!!!

[Hawg Red]

Many refuse to come out of the bubble.

There are worse things happening to respected programs than losing to Iowa State and Clemson on the road.

[Biggus Piggus]

Big Ten disease has seeped into basketball. Nobody in the Big Ten is undefeated at this point. Michigan (starting two freshmen and two sophomores) lost to NJIT and Eastern Michigan, back to back. NJIT (4-5) made 11 threes and shot 55% inside the arc. Eastern Michigan (8-1 btw) held Michigan to 4-21 from 3-pt range and allowed only two offensive rebounds in 29 chances.

NJIT knocked off Michigan a few days after losing a tough one to UMass-Lowell of the America East. Based on stats alone, Michigan should have routed NJIT.

Nebraska has 6-10 center Walter Pitchford and three other 6-6 or 6-7 starters. Incarnate Word played five guards for much of the game. They must run a great offense - Word shot 61% from 2-pt range. Their ability to hold NU down to poor shooting % was the difference.

Incarnate Word's first D-I season was last year. Their lifetime record against D-I teams was 10-7.

[TomBigBeeHog]

Kentucky only beat Columbia by 10 last night. Think of the horror and agony in Big Blue land if Columbia had pulled that off.

I know we are supposed to pull for the SEC according to some but I would have gladly taken the RPI hit to the gut as a conference just to see Cal's press conference afterwards when he throws everybody but the towel boy under the bus. 

[-Blu]

Many refuse to come out of the bubble.

There are worse things happening to respected programs than losing to Iowa State and Clemson on the road.

If we lost to a school like that, people would go absolute crazy.  People would be demanding CMA resign that night, our players would probably be getting threats via twitter, it would get really ugly, really quick.

I read the absolute craziest suggestion/post I've ever read on any type of message board last night.  It was a poster that was saying CMA isn't trusted to teach basic fundamentals, so all his practices and meetings need to be filmed and live feed needs to be streamed on the UofA website.  He said "Verification that he's actually teaching the fundamentals of the game of basketball isn't too much to ask."  And he was actually serious with this request.  And there was actually a couple of posters agreeing with him.  The thought process of some of our fans is unbelievable.  We're a team that yesterday, USA today, predicted us as a 5 Seed in the tournament, and people act like we're a team that's losing to mid-majors at home every night.

[Dominicanhog]

If we lost to a school like that, people would go absolute crazy.  People would be demanding CMA resign that night, our players would probably be getting threats via twitter, it would get really ugly, really quick.

I read the absolute craziest suggestion/post I've ever read on any type of message board last night.  It was a poster that was saying CMA isn't trusted to teach basic fundamentals, so all his practices and meetings need to be filmed and live feed needs to be streamed on the UofA website.  He said "Verification that he's actually teaching the fundamentals of the game of basketball isn't too much to ask."  And he was actually serious with this request.  And there was actually a couple of posters agreeing with him.  The thought process of some of our fans is unbelievable.  We're a team that yesterday, USA today, predicted us as a 5 Seed in the tournament, and people act like we're a team that's losing to mid-majors at home every night.

yep.. I agree it is utterly amazing what you read on a message board... imagine.

[Kevin]

another program losing, does not make me feel better about our program

[Deep Shoat]

another program losing, does not make me feel better about our program

And it's not who we lost to as much as how we lost.  Again...

[Dr. Starcs]

^^^^

Agreed. Losing to Iowa st was how we lost. Losing to Clemson was who we lost.

Now hide ya kids, hide ya wives, here comes the mob. Lol

[twistitup]

^^^^

Agreed. Losing to Iowa st was how we lost. Losing to Clemson was who we lost.

Now hide ya kids, hide ya wives, here comes the mob. Lol

L is an L....'how' we lose really doesn't matter - as long as it's correctable. Who you lose to matters when it comes tournament time. I'm thrilled we don't have embarrassing loses like Mich / Neb.

[hogman99]

another program losing, does not make me feel better about our program

This ^^ and it doesn't make our coaches better.

[-Blu]

L is an L....'how' we lose really doesn't matter - as long as it's correctable. Who you lose to matters when it comes tournament time. I'm thrilled we don't have embarrassing loses like Mich / Neb.

^This makes too much sense.  Wrong answer.

The correct hogville answer is, we should never lose ever, our team looks horrible, our coaches are bad, losing to Clemson and Iowa State is inexcusable, and now we need 25+ wins to make the tournament.

[Atlhogfan1]

Many refuse to come out of the bubble.

There are worse things happening to respected programs than losing to Iowa State and Clemson on the road.

The problem with these kinds of attempts to deflect criticism or concern is that programs are in different places and situations.

Michigan played for the NC two seasons ago and were in the E8 last season 4 pts from a return trip to the F4.  Beilein went to 5 NCAAT in his first 7 seasons at Michigan.  A couple of bad games in December in season 8 isn't that big of a deal and he has bought some benefit of the doubt.

Our situation is very different in that not only has our staff not proven much of anything at Arkansas yet, they haven't won an NCAAT game since 2010 and of course no NCAAT in the first 3 seasons here.  We are losing in similar fashion to how we have for years.  You use the word respected - are we respected right now? 

Using UK winning by 10 as a way to deflect criticism here is a real stretch.

When did we start using Nebraska basketball as a program to compare ourselves to and point to when they fail it is excuses our failings?

[ErieHog]

The problem with these kinds of attempts to deflect criticism or concern is that programs are in different places and situations.

Michigan played for the NC two seasons ago and were in the E8 last season 4 pts from a return trip to the F4.  Beilein went to 5 NCAAT in his first 7 seasons at Michigan.  A couple of bad games in December in season 8 isn't that big of a deal and he has bought some benefit of the doubt.

Our situation is very different in that not only has our staff not proven much of anything at Arkansas yet, they haven't won an NCAAT game since 2010 and of course no NCAAT in the first 3 seasons here.  We are losing in similar fashion to how we have for years.  You use the word respected - are we respected right now? 

Using UK winning by 10 as a way to deflect criticism here is a real stretch.

When did we start using Nebraska basketball as a program to compare ourselves to and point to when they fail it is excuses our failings?

Yes, we are respected right now.  We aren't feared-- but that's part of the point.  Really, not much of anyone is ever to be feared again.

[Deep Shoat]

L is an L....'how' we lose really doesn't matter - as long as it's correctable. Who you lose to matters when it comes tournament time. I'm thrilled we don't have embarrassing loses like Mich / Neb.

Well, apparently it isn't correctable.  We've been watching it (both ISU and Clemson) for 3+ years now.

The ISU story - Team and/or player "going off" for a "career night".  Of course, if we had people actually guarding them...

Clemson story - uninspired basketball against a piss poor team on the road coupled with terrible sub patterns leads to another road loss. 

Look back at the last 3+ and see how many times one of those narratives has been replayed.

[Hawg Red]

The problem with these kinds of attempts to deflect criticism or concern is that programs are in different places and situations.

Michigan played for the NC two seasons ago and were in the E8 last season 4 pts from a return trip to the F4.  Beilein went to 5 NCAAT in his first 7 seasons at Michigan.  A couple of bad games in December in season 8 isn't that big of a deal and he has bought some benefit of the doubt.

Our situation is very different in that not only has our staff not proven much of anything at Arkansas yet, they haven't won an NCAAT game since 2010 and of course no NCAAT in the first 3 seasons here.  We are losing in similar fashion to how we have for years.  You use the word respected - are we respected right now? 

Using UK winning by 10 as a way to deflect criticism here is a real stretch.

When did we start using Nebraska basketball as a program to compare ourselves to and point to when they fail it is excuses our failings?

I think your problem is that you think I'm making excuses. I don't see where I've made any excuses. I'm simply pointing out that other programs expected to make the NCAA tournament are also having some struggles here in early December. I get that we lost to Clemson and and people think that shows that we still can't beat bad teams on the road. But we also beat SMU, and just a couple of seasons ago, we could pretty much only beat Auburn on the road. People are completely ignoring the fact that we ALREADY have a true road win under our belt.

No one is excusing the Clemson loss -- it was bad. Iowa State loss? Whatever. They're really good and that's a really tough environment. Ton of ball left to be played this season.

[Deep Shoat]

I think your problem is that you think I'm making excuses. I don't see where I've made any excuses. I'm simply pointing out that other programs expected to make the NCAA tournament are also having some struggles here in early December. I get that we lost to Clemson and and people think that shows that we still can't beat bad teams on the road. But we also beat SMU, and just a couple of seasons ago, we could pretty much only beat Auburn on the road. People are completely ignoring the fact that we ALREADY have a true road win under our belt.

No one is excusing the Clemson loss -- it was bad. Iowa State loss? Whatever. They're really good and that's a really tough environment. Ton of ball left to be played this season.

I think the number of people who actually EXPECTED to beat ISU at home were few and far between.  But almost everyone expected it to be a hard fought loss.  Instead, it's second verse same as the first.  Open 3 after open 3 after open 3, while the apologists blow smoke up our ass telling us "They're just good". 

This is year 4.  We should be able to play with good teams, even in a tough environment.  Instead, we were all but run out of the gym.

[Otis]

The problem with these kinds of attempts to deflect criticism or concern is that programs are in different places and situations.

Michigan played for the NC two seasons ago and were in the E8 last season 4 pts from a return trip to the F4.  Beilein went to 5 NCAAT in his first 7 seasons at Michigan.  A couple of bad games in December in season 8 isn't that big of a deal and he has bought some benefit of the doubt.

Our situation is very different in that not only has our staff not proven much of anything at Arkansas yet, they haven't won an NCAAT game since 2010 and of course no NCAAT in the first 3 seasons here.  We are losing in similar fashion to how we have for years.  You use the word respected - are we respected right now? 

Using UK winning by 10 as a way to deflect criticism here is a real stretch.

When did we start using Nebraska basketball as a program to compare ourselves to and point to when they fail it is excuses our failings?

Exactly- and for every loss someone can find that another team has to justify our losses, could be countered by teams and coaches with wins and programs in year three. Oklahoma comes to mind with Lon Krueger and how he's turned that program completely around in 3 years.  Picking and choosing wins and losses of other teams to fit ones narrative is narrow minded.

[-Blu]

The problem with these kinds of attempts to deflect criticism or concern is that programs are in different places and situations.

Michigan played for the NC two seasons ago and were in the E8 last season 4 pts from a return trip to the F4.  Beilein went to 5 NCAAT in his first 7 seasons at Michigan.  A couple of bad games in December in season 8 isn't that big of a deal and he has bought some benefit of the doubt.

Our situation is very different in that not only has our staff not proven much of anything at Arkansas yet, they haven't won an NCAAT game since 2010 and of course no NCAAT in the first 3 seasons here.  We are losing in similar fashion to how we have for years.  You use the word respected - are we respected right now? 

Using UK winning by 10 as a way to deflect criticism here is a real stretch.

When did we start using Nebraska basketball as a program to compare ourselves to and point to when they fail it is excuses our failings?

If you want to use history here and go back 5-7 years ago.  6 years ago (2 before Anderson got here) This was a program that was losing at home to SWAC and mid-major teams.  We were not a threat to anyone at home, on the road, and we were having tons of off the court the problems.  Now, you talk about fear, we are one of the most feared teams at home in the nation.  Nobody wants to come and play us here at Bud Walton.  Yes, we've been bad on the road, but those were problems we were having long before Anderson got here, and problems that most teams that aren't in the upper echelon deal with.  You look at this year, we're respected by everyone, I haven't seen a bracket that we're not projected in, even with 2 losses, and we're still receiving votes in the poll.

I could go on, and stats and give more logic, but I feel like in most threads it'll get ignored by the people actual need to look at it.  The OP was trying to make the point, that things could be a lot worse than losing to a top 15 team and ACC team on the road.  We're a program on the rise, most college B-Ball experts would agree, if you guys can't see that, well I don't know what else to tell you.

[Deep Shoat]

If you want to use history here and go back 5-7 years ago.  6 years ago (2 before Anderson got here) This was a program that was losing at home to SWAC and mid-major teams.  We were not a threat to anyone at home, on the road, and we were having tons of off the court the problems.  Now, you talk about fear, we are one of the most feared teams at home in the nation.  Nobody wants to come and play us here at Bud Walton.  Yes, we've been bad on the road, but those were problems we were having long before Anderson got here, and problems that most teams that aren't in the upper echelon deal with.  You look at this year, we're respected by everyone, I haven't seen a bracket that we're not projected in, even with 2 losses, and we're still receiving votes in the poll.

I could go on, and stats and give more logic, but I feel like in most threads it'll get ignored by the people actual need to look at it.  The OP was trying to make the point, that things could be a lot worse than losing to a top 15 team and ACC team on the road.  We're a program on the rise, most college B-Ball experts would agree, if you guys can't see that, well I don't know what else to tell you.

I think we are a program who has about topped out.

Sure, we will make the tourney this year.  But we'll be done before the first weekend is over.  Just like every other "meh" team in the country.

Being in the top 67 or whatever isn't good enough.

[-Blu]

I think we are a program who has about topped out.

Sure, we will make the tourney this year.  But we'll be done before the first weekend is over.  Just like every other "meh" team in the country.

Being in the top 67 or whatever isn't good enough.

So, whats your suggestion?  Fire coach Anderson after he makes the tournament this year, bring in another up and comer, start from scratch and hope we can catch lightning in the bottle with him?

[Atlhogfan1]

If you want to use history here and go back 5-7 years ago.  6 years ago (2 before Anderson got here) This was a program that was losing at home to SWAC and mid-major teams.  We were not a threat to anyone at home, on the road, and we were having tons of off the court the problems.  Now, you talk about fear, we are one of the most feared teams at home in the nation.  Nobody wants to come and play us here at Bud Walton.  Yes, we've been bad on the road, but those were problems we were having long before Anderson got here, and problems that most teams that aren't in the upper echelon deal with.  You look at this year, we're respected by everyone, I haven't seen a bracket that we're not projected in, even with 2 losses, and we're still receiving votes in the poll.

I could go on, and stats and give more logic, but I feel like in most threads it'll get ignored by the people actual need to look at it.  The OP was trying to make the point, that things could be a lot worse than losing to a top 15 team and ACC team on the road.  We're a program on the rise, most college B-Ball experts would agree, if you guys can't see that, well I don't know what else to tell you.

History was used for context to show our trying to use other programs failures isn't relevant to our situation.  Partly because of the history of our program you list and partly because of Mike's history on the road as a head coach, it is understandable the criticism, concerns and even doubts from some.  BWA has always been a tough place to play.  Yes we have had a couple of bad teams who couldn't defend our home court. 

What are people ignoring?  The program getting better.  You have made arguments for how it has improved and I don't have a rebuttal to those as I agree with you.  It has made some small steps.  But that isn't going to change the mindset of the fan base especially after these last two games.  I think you are on a different level of expectation or view of the program than many.  You are more optimistic and willing to see the small steps being made.  You will be able to celebrate the NCAAT appearance as an achievement while others will see it as a small step but not the long term aspirations.  As Biggus tried to explain in his thread about recruiting, our fan base needs to see something is coming.  It needs to see that a high level of sustained success is possible.  Big picture vs short term and small wins  The small wins are important but losses like CU and how the ISU game went will somewhat negate the small wins for some fans who want to see something more in the big picture. 

[Deep Shoat]

So, whats your suggestion?  Fire coach Anderson after he makes the tournament this year, bring in another up and comer, start from scratch and hope we can catch lightning in the bottle with him?

My suggestion won't matter, because Mike is who he is. 

[-Blu]

I think you are on a different level of expectation or view of the program than many.  You are more optimistic and willing to see the small steps being made.  You will be able to celebrate the NCAAT appearance as an achievement while others will see it as a small step but not the long term aspirations.  As Biggus tried to explain in his thread about recruiting, our fan base needs to see something is coming.  It needs to see that a high level of sustained success is possible.  Big picture vs short term and small wins  The small wins are important but losses like CU and how the ISU game went will somewhat negate the small wins for some fans who want to see something more in the big picture.

I'm on the expectations of winning National Championships, I just know Rome wasn't built in a day.  And it takes time to build a program, especially one that was in our situation.  Like have people forgotten, Dana Altman took this job for 1 day, looked at our program and bailed.  Nobody ever wants to talk about that.  Mike Anderson, was, and still is the best qualified coach that Arkansas could get.  His resume speaks for itself, 2 Sweet 16 appearances at 2 different schools, how many coaches have done that?  And here at Arkansas, he's turned a program that was starting to become a joke, back into national relevance.  We've gotten progressively better at everything, every single year.  So, I guess excuse a few of us if we hadn't forgot where we were coming from, and excited about where we are headed.

[-Blu]

My suggestion won't matter, because Mike is who he is.

You do realize that's what a message board is for.... discussions and suggestions.  I doubt CMA reads a fan message board, so it's a moot point to say "He is who he is".  If your going to criticize something, at least give a solution.  Otherwise your just looking for someplace to whine.

[Atlhogfan1]

So, whats your suggestion?  Fire coach Anderson after he makes the tournament this year, bring in another up and comer, start from scratch and hope we can catch lightning in the bottle with him?

This is what I have been talking about in our conversations the last couple of seasons.  It is the questions that may need to be answered at some point.  Certainly asked.  What is Mike's ceiling at Arkansas, our program's, do they match and if not what do we do? We both agree it is way too early for it now. The program will keep making the small steps like you listed and he will have success.  Will it be enough and sustained long enough to avoid the questions and discussion some are already having?  Or will enough fans including those of influence care enough to have the discussion? 

I'm on the expectations of winning National Championships, I just know Rome wasn't built in a day.  And it takes time to build a program, especially one that was in our situation.  Like have people forgotten, Dana Altman took this job for 1 day, looked at our program and bailed.  Nobody ever wants to talk about that.  Mike Anderson, was, and still is the best qualified coach that Arkansas could get.  His resume speaks for itself, 2 Sweet 16 appearances at 2 different schools, how many coaches have done that?  And here at Arkansas, he's turned a program that was starting to become a joke, back into national relevance.  We've gotten progressively better at everything, every single year.  So, I guess excuse a few of us if we hadn't forgot where we were coming from, and excited about where we are headed.

This leads into another discussion we have had this week.  Emotion, which you have maintained, and the apathetic blah many fans are experiencing.  No need to ask to be excused.  It is great you have enthusiasm right now.  Our program certainly needs it especially looking at attendance.  It really needs much more of it.  We should be thankful for fans such as yourself. 

[HF#1]

I don't care who is getting beat.  We need to win games and make the tournament. Period

[Atlhogfan1]

I don't care who is getting beat.  We need to win games and make the tournament. Period

We could turn these threads into listing our potential bubble competition and their failures. 

[Deep Shoat]

You do realize that's what a message board is for.... discussions and suggestions.  I doubt CMA reads a fan message board, so it's a moot point to say "He is who he is".  If your going to criticize something, at least give a solution.  Otherwise your just looking for someplace to whine.

I have several suggestions.

Start playing a style that better utilizes skill instead of tempo to manage the game.  Stop taking bad shots early just to push tempo.  Stop living by pressure, use it strategically.  Stop recruiting primarily athletes with limited BB SKILL, because you aren't a great developer.  Rework your motion offense to work inside out instead of settling for threes and jump shots so much.  Focus on reliable half court D more, particularly against good guards.  Get some recruiters as assistants, since you seem to be poor at it yourself.  Show some fire and intensity on the sideline.  I can't even tell your in a fight, much less with a bear.

Need anymore before you tell me I just don't understand basketball?

[-Blu]

I have several suggestions.

Start playing a style that better utilizes skill instead of tempo to manage the game.  Stop taking bad shots early just to push tempo.  Stop living by pressure, use it strategically.  Stop recruiting primarily athletes with limited BB SKILL, because you aren't a great developer.  Rework your motion offense to work inside out instead of settling for threes and jump shots so much.  Focus on reliable half court D more, particularly against good guards.  Get some recruiters as assistants, since you seem to be poor at it yourself.  Show some fire and intensity on the sideline.  I can't even tell your in a fight, much less with a bear.

Need anymore before you tell me I just don't understand basketball?

Sounds like you just want a new system and a new coach.

[HF#1]

Sounds like you just want a new system and a new coach.

I imagine if this season doesn't end up in the NCAA tournament, that will be the overwhelming sentiment.

[hogman99]

So, whats your suggestion?  Fire coach Anderson after he makes the tournament this year, bring in another up and comer, start from scratch and hope we can catch lightning in the bottle with him?

Yes and Yes, but let's hire a coach from an established program (I'm good with a top assistant from Kansas, Duke, Gonzaga, Creighton, UConn, Kentucky, or even Iowa St) that knows fundamental basketball rules. 

[hogman99]

I have several suggestions.

Start playing a style that better utilizes skill instead of tempo to manage the game.  Stop taking bad shots early just to push tempo.  Stop living by pressure, use it strategically.  Stop recruiting primarily athletes with limited BB SKILL, because you aren't a great developer.  Rework your motion offense to work inside out instead of settling for threes and jump shots so much.  Focus on reliable half court D more, particularly against good guards.  Get some recruiters as assistants, since you seem to be poor at it yourself.  Show some fire and intensity on the sideline.  I can't even tell your in a fight, much less with a bear.

Need anymore before you tell me I just don't understand basketball?

+1000, you have hit the nail on the head!!

[Hawg Red]

This is year 4.  We should be able to play with good teams, even in a tough environment.  Instead, we were all but run out of the gym.

You mean like winning at Kentucky and SMU?

[Dr. Starcs]

^^^

Smu. Lol. The Kentucky win was great, I'll give you that.

No, he probably means the fact that we still make the same mistakes repeatedly in year 4 of CMA and have still not made the big dance.

[Atlhogfan1]

You mean like winning at Kentucky and SMU?

Somewhat negated by Alabama, Cal and Clemson.  The forum is getting back to its old self again.

I don't think those wins were as grand as some do.  And yes I realize how they are still an improvement on our past.   UK was playing awful in that stretch, were ridiculously easy to defend, shot 12-22 from the line while the Hogs were a perfect 16-16.  This win keeps getting thrown out as though it was a sign our road issues are changing.  Or was it more of an anomaly from how not only we were playing but how UK was playing?

[-Blu]

Yes and Yes, but let's hire a coach from an established program (I'm good with a top assistant from Kansas, Duke, Gonzaga, Creighton, UConn, Kentucky, or even Iowa St) that knows fundamental basketball rules.

Now here's a man with a plan!  Let's go out and hire a well established ASSISTANT coach at a top program that either has no head coaching experience or failed as a head coach.  And let's use this guy to replace an established head coach that's turned around 2 programs and sent them to sweet 16s (and won a NC as an assistant).  This is the best plan I've ever heard on Hogville, can we start a campaign to get this guy as our AD, I'm thinking National Championship, first year with him.

I wonder if we can steal away one of Billy Donovan's assistants at Florida. 

[Hawg Red]

Again, remember when we could only beat Auburn on the road?

Are we still inconsistent on the road? Definitely. But it's still early in the season. We have newcomers and replaced a lot of seniors. This team is still where I thought they would be after the 3 road games. Just thought they'd beat Clemson instead of SMU (which was a fairly tough environment and they had a nice home winning streak, laugh all you want).

[MountieDawg]

Kentucky only beat Columbia by 10 last night. Think of the horror and agony in Big Blue land if Columbia had pulled that off.

I know we are supposed to pull for the SEC according to some but I would have gladly taken the RPI hit to the gut as a conference just to see Cal's press conference afterwards when he throws everybody but the towel boy under the bus. 

Maybe kids just love being thrown under the bus like you say, because they keep going to play for him for less minutes.

[bigred223]

Well, apparently it isn't correctable.  We've been watching it (both ISU and Clemson) for 3+ years now.

The ISU story - Team and/or player "going off" for a "career night".  Of course, if we had people actually guarding them...

Clemson story - uninspired basketball against a piss poor team on the road coupled with terrible sub patterns leads to another road loss. 

Look back at the last 3+ and see how many times one of those narratives has been replayed.

Iowa state shot the lights out, and I really don't care what you say about the defense, when you have one guy shoot 8 of 8 (including two GUARDED NBA heaves) it's called "going off" and is a career night. There are plenty of teams who miss wide open shots all game long.

Clemson... I mean we looked like we got paid to give that away. One of the biggest meltdowns I've seen.

[Deep Shoat]

You mean like winning at Kentucky and SMU?

Yay!  One step forward and two back.  At this pace we'll back into the tournament for sure...

[Deep Shoat]

Iowa state shot the lights out, and I really don't care what you say about the defense, when you have one guy shoot 8 of 8 (including two GUARDED NBA heaves) it's called "going off" and is a career night. There are plenty of teams who miss wide open shots all game long.

Clemson... I mean we looked like we got paid to give that away. One of the biggest meltdowns I've seen.

We give up career nights 6-7 times a season under Mike.

At some point you have to recognize the common denominator...

[bigred223]

Career nights for one guy and a historic shooting night for an entire team are two different things.

[TomBigBeeHog]

The problem with these kinds of attempts to deflect criticism or concern is that programs are in different places and situations.
Using UK winning by 10 as a way to deflect criticism here is a real stretch.

My post never attemped to deflect any criticism or make any comparison.  Sorry for your misunderstanding.

[TomBigBeeHog]

Maybe kids just love being thrown under the bus like you say, because they keep going to play for him for less minutes.

I make an irreverent remark about Calipari and this pisses you off how? 

[Hawg Red]

Yay!  One step forward and two back.  At this pace we'll back into the tournament for sure...

We'll be in the tournament this season. Take it to the bank.

[Dr. Starcs]

^^^^

Which one??

[hogman99]

Now here's a man with a plan!  Let's go out and hire a well established ASSISTANT coach at a top program that either has no head coaching experience or failed as a head coach.  And let's use this guy to replace an established head coach that's turned around 2 programs and sent them to sweet 16s (and won a NC as an assistant).  This is the best plan I've ever heard on Hogville, can we start a campaign to get this guy as our AD, I'm thinking National Championship, first year with him.

I wonder if we can steal away one of Billy Donovan's assistants at Florida.

Yeah Blu because the CMA plan is working great so far.  He has his system, it does not work anymore, he has shown no sigh of making changes, he can't recruit or coach the players to his system and receives no input/help from his assistant coaches.

As long as he is here, we will be continue to ask the question, "Will we make the tourney?" or statements like "If we can win all the home games and win 2 on the road, win at least one game in the conference tourney and then hope the OOC teams we played do well in their conference we should get in."  What you have is a team in the 50-85 ranking that is scratching, clawing and begging to get into the tourney with a top 30 coaching salary.

I thought this would be the year things turn around, but we are making the same mistakes (players and coaches) that have been made during the 1st 3 years.  The only way it will change is if CMA makes the tough chooses that need to be made and not worry about hurting feelings.  We shall see in the next 3 weeks if that happens or not. If it does I will be surprised, but encouraged. 

[porkinsons disease]

I have several suggestions.

Start playing a style that better utilizes skill instead of tempo to manage the game.  Stop taking bad shots early just to push tempo.  Stop living by pressure, use it strategically.  Stop recruiting primarily athletes with limited BB SKILL, because you aren't a great developer.  Rework your motion offense to work inside out instead of settling for threes and jump shots so much.  Focus on reliable half court D more, particularly against good guards.  Get some recruiters as assistants, since you seem to be poor at it yourself.  Show some fire and intensity on the sideline.  I can't even tell your in a fight, much less with a bear.

Need anymore before you tell me I just don't understand basketball?

^^^^ Spot on. I'm not qualified to post on Jumpball, but agree with you 100%.