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2006 #1 NBA DRAFT PICK

Started by mbgrulz, December 27, 2005, 11:20:47 pm

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WHO WOULD YOU TAKE?

RUDY GAY
72 (37.1%)
ADAM MORRISON
103 (53.1%)
RONNIE BREWER
19 (9.8%)

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mbgrulz

I would personally rate morrison way above rudy gay. morrison is the nations leading scorer, he has the most competitive drive since jordan, and he has a HUGE variety of shots that he has perfected. gay is the typical 6-9 guy who is versatile. gay shows up only when he wants to, and his coach has publicly critized him for poor play. morrison is special and i dont think guys like him dont come around too often I threw RB in there because i think he is on their level, but people just dont know it.

Zen_Hog

Adam Morrison>Ronnie Brewer>Rudy Gay

 

mossfan3

Rudy Gay.  He can take a game over.  Morrison is good, but he just doesn't have that burst like R. Gay.

slaughts3

i would have to say adam morrison, im not a fan of rudy gay, and i think adam is a slight bit better than ronnie at the moment.

bigt54

Morrison is the best player by far, bird like skills(notice I said like, not saying he is as good as).  I really think Brewer is second.  Not the shooter that Gay is but a team player that brings his whole team along.  I think he is a lot like Joe Johnson, not as good of a shooter but better defender and is better at point. 
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Lando Calrissian

Quote from: bigt54I think he is a lot like Joe Johnson, not as good of a shooter but better defender and is better at point.

I don't think Brewer handles the ball near as well as Joe Johnson did/does.  Ronnie does play better defense, but offensively (shooting, dribbling, passing etc) he isn't near to the level of a Joe Johnson.

Joe was the #10 pick, if I remember correctly.  Ronnie will probably hit in the #10-15 range as well.
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Quote from: Lando Calrissian on December 28, 2005, 01:12:18 am
Quote from: bigt54I think he is a lot like Joe Johnson, not as good of a shooter but better defender and is better at point.

I don't think Brewer handles the ball near as well as Joe Johnson did/does. Ronnie does play better defense, but offensively (shooting, dribbling, passing etc) he isn't near to the level of a Joe Johnson.

Joe was the #10 pick, if I remember correctly. Ronnie will probably hit in the #10-15 range as well.

i agree.  on all points.  and dont get me wrong... i love brewer... but im afraid a lot of people are blinded by him being the "current" razorback. 

a great player?  yes.
joe johnson?  not yet anyway...and not offensively for damn sure

mbgrulz

Quote from: mossfan3 on December 27, 2005, 11:58:48 pm
Rudy Gay. He can take a game over. Morrison is good, but he just doesn't have that burst like R. Gay.
have you been watching the same guy that i have? AM has put more teams away on his own than gay will ever do. gay is too passive. gay will be the guy who scores an ungodly amount of points one night, and then not hear from for a month. morrison is NOT keith van horn. he is much better. his game has a lot more dimensions than van horn. i think he is more like dirk nowitzki (SP?)

hogfankb

Quote from: TaintNuttinToIt on December 28, 2005, 02:28:08 am
Morrison is the new Keith Van Horn. Hellacious collegiate player above average professional player.  While he's better today, Gay and Brewer have greater potential.

Agreed. Great college player but I am very skeptical of how well he can score against NBA athletes. Would love to have him on my team but Gay seems like a guy who could become a #1 scorer on a team. Brewer is great but he isn't quite where these guys are just yet. Jump shots do more than just get you 3 pointers. They also open up things for your post players and give you more opportunities off the dribble. Brewer will be good in the NBA but again I dont think he will be a #1 option for any team in the league.

Boner

Morrison is a diabetic, which will cause his stock to drop.

HaWg 10

We live in lala land around here putting Ronnie Brewer in the same category as Rudy Gay and Adam Morrison....

I vote 1.JJ Redick
         2.Adam Morrison
         3.Up for grabs
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justmakeit2thebcs

lets see...Ronnie can't handle the ball well enough to play point, he can't shoot well enough to play shooting guard and he's too small to play forward.   And to top it off, his defense is played purely with his hand/arms.  If he doesn't learn to use his feet, he'll be nothing more than a role player in the NBA.  That said, he is a very good college player.

hogfankb

Quote from: HaWg 10 WiLd on December 28, 2005, 10:18:56 am
We live in lala land around here putting Ronnie Brewer in the same category as Rudy Gay and Adam Morrison....

I vote 1.JJ Redick
2.Adam Morrison
3.Up for grabs

JJ Reddick as the top NBA pick? He doesn't stand a chance.

 

hoggystyle78

Morrisom remind me of a cross between Keith VanHorn and Tom Gugliotta, he will be an above average player in the NBA, Ronnie is knd of a "tweener" he will be a back up role player at the next level, and Rudy Gay, has a world of potential but seems to lack the competitive fire needed to play in the paint in the NBA.   JMO

TuckFexas

Toss up btwn Gay and Morrison. I take Gay since Morrison has that gay mustache (pun intended). He's got a career in Porn if he flops in the NBA. Ronnie is a top 5 pick.
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Quote from: hogfankb on December 28, 2005, 11:35:10 am
Quote from: HaWg 10 WiLd on December 28, 2005, 10:18:56 am
We live in lala land around here putting Ronnie Brewer in the same category as Rudy Gay and Adam Morrison....

I vote 1.JJ Redick
2.Adam Morrison
3.Up for grabs

JJ Reddick as the top NBA pick? He doesn't stand a chance.

You don't think NBA teams are dying to get the most prolific 3-point man in college history?  no you are right, he don't stand a chance.. not to mention a player who studied under coach K for 4 yrs..
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"Me and my friends did acid in the woods, 'cause there was much less chance of running into an authority figure. But we ran into a bear. And that is way more of a buzz kill. One of my friends was raising his right hand and swearing to prevent forest fires. Later, he came up to me and said, "Mitchell. Smokey is way more intense in person."

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akp4105

Ronnie Brewer is an all around player, whose stock will rise as the season goes on and then nba workouts begin..he's a lottery pick and most likely in the 6-10 range..most mock drafts i've seen by writers and stuff have him at 7 or 8..and i havent seen him below 10...the reason he'll be in the top 10 is the age rule, and most teams are seeing it takes the younger high school guys awhile to adjust to the nba (except lebron james, carmelo anthony, etc.) most players cant make the jump and be a huge impact and now with the age limit..it really helps ronnie..he's an all around player and once he polishes his game..works on not gettin beat off the dribble..stayin down and not always goin for the steal..he'll be amazing..is he a franchise player? not right now..but he's got the potential...he's a likable guy..people like his smile, the way he plays and his demeanor..that has alot to do with how you'll do in the nba...because people think they can make money with you on their team..he'll be an all-star after some years..and i expect him to be at the all star events with the rookies and sophmores both years..he wow's people and the scout i sat next to at the missouri game really liked him..we'll see..but i'll bet he's in the range of a 6-10 pick next year..

Boner

Quote from: HaWg 10 WiLd on December 28, 2005, 11:41:50 am
Quote from: hogfankb on December 28, 2005, 11:35:10 am
Quote from: HaWg 10 WiLd on December 28, 2005, 10:18:56 am
We live in lala land around here putting Ronnie Brewer in the same category as Rudy Gay and Adam Morrison....

I vote 1.JJ Redick
2.Adam Morrison
3.Up for grabs

JJ Reddick as the top NBA pick? He doesn't stand a chance.

You don't think NBA teams are dying to get the most prolific 3-point man in college history?  no you are right, he don't stand a chance.. not to mention a player who studied under coach K for 4 yrs..

No, he doesn't have a chance to be the #1 pick.  Not a chance.  I will bet you any amount in the world that he doesn't.

Yes, team will want him.  Yes, he will be a first rounder.  Yes, he could easily be a lottery pick.  But not #1 overall.

The guy is an awesome shooter.  And incredible shooter.  But lacks athletism.  He's an undersized 2-guard that has trouble creating his own shoot.  He can't play defense.  He's a less athletic Trajon Langdon.

Zen_Hog

Kyel Korver who was a prolithic 3 point shooter, slipped to the second round. But it's just becasue Reddick plays at Duke tahts why he's goign to go first round

hogfankb

Quote from: HaWg 10 WiLd on December 28, 2005, 11:41:50 am
Quote from: hogfankb on December 28, 2005, 11:35:10 am
Quote from: HaWg 10 WiLd on December 28, 2005, 10:18:56 am
We live in lala land around here putting Ronnie Brewer in the same category as Rudy Gay and Adam Morrison....

I vote 1.JJ Redick
2.Adam Morrison
3.Up for grabs

JJ Reddick as the top NBA pick? He doesn't stand a chance.

You don't think NBA teams are dying to get the most prolific 3-point man in college history?  no you are right, he don't stand a chance.. not to mention a player who studied under coach K for 4 yrs..

Not a 6-4 slow prolific shooter. Don't get me wrong he will probably have a long NBA career but with a #1 pick you want a superstar or one in the making. Someone who is going to be your go to guy as you build your team around him. Reddick is not that. Unbelievable shooter and will be a great roll player in the NBA but not a #1 pick. As for the Coach K comment. Name 3 great players in the NBA from Duke other than Elton Brand.

HaWg 10

Quote from: hogfankb on December 28, 2005, 12:11:43 pm
Quote from: HaWg 10 WiLd on December 28, 2005, 11:41:50 am
Quote from: hogfankb on December 28, 2005, 11:35:10 am
Quote from: HaWg 10 WiLd on December 28, 2005, 10:18:56 am
We live in lala land around here putting Ronnie Brewer in the same category as Rudy Gay and Adam Morrison....

I vote 1.JJ Redick
2.Adam Morrison
3.Up for grabs

JJ Reddick as the top NBA pick? He doesn't stand a chance.

You don't think NBA teams are dying to get the most prolific 3-point man in college history? no you are right, he don't stand a chance.. not to mention a player who studied under coach K for 4 yrs..
As for the Coach K comment. Name 3 great players in the NBA from Duke other than Elton Brand.


Now now, don't be putting words in my mouth, didn't say playing for coach K makes you a great NBA player. i was referring to the knowledge that he has about the game of basketball and any kid that plays under his tutaledge is already a step ahead of the rest of the pack..

i can't name 3 players off the top of my head, Grant Hill is the only one that comes to mind right away.. Jay Bilas is a good ESPN commentator :D does he count?


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December 28, 2005, 12:26:52 pm #21 Last Edit: December 28, 2005, 12:29:50 pm by HawgAdvocate
Whatever...all one has to do is look at a list of past Wooden Award winners (top college player), from Duke especially, to see that the top collegiate player almost never gets the top pick in the draft. How quickly you forget how much stock NBA GMs put in potential.

Rudy Gay will be the top pick, hands down. Reddick will be drafted AFTER Morrison mostly because Morrison does more with less around him. Morrison is better at creating his own shot too.

Jameer Nelson, T.J. Ford, Jason Williams (Duke), Shane Battier...all former Wooden Award winners as best collegiate baller. The lone exceptions to winning the Wooden award as of late are Kenton Martin, Elton Brand and maybe Andrew Bogut ( I can't recall who won it last year). But all three have an NBA body whereas Reddick wouldn't last a half guarding Kobe, T-Mac, A.I., Carmelo, Lebron, Joe Johnson, or Vince Carter,....and you still expect him to score 20+ points every night on his outside shooting alone?? Cause what else has he got in his arsenal that would allow him to do it for 82 pro games?

J.J. Reddick is great collegiate shooting guard; but to say an NBA team would choose a 3-point shooting white kid who has had the best talent in the country around him already as the #1 pick? You're dreaming. Reddick would have to be able to play PG in the NBA with his size, and he's nowhere near that good to do that.
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Quote from: HawgAdvocate on December 28, 2005, 12:26:52 pm
Whatever...all one has to do is look at a list of past Wooden Award winners (top college player), from Duke especially, to see that the top collegiate player almost never gets the top pick in the draft. How quickly you forget how much stock NBA GMs put in potential.

Rudy Gay will be the top pick, hands down. Reddick will be drafted AFTER Morrison mostly because Morrison does more with less around him. Morrison is better at creating his own shot too.

Jameer Nelson (not Duke but a top guard), T.J. Ford, Jason Williams (Duke), Shane Battier...all former Wooden Award winners as best collegiate baller. The lone exception being Elton Brand. But he's always had an NBA body whereas Reddick wouldn't last a half guarding Kobe, T-Mac, A.I., Carmelo, Lebron, Joe Johnson, or Vince Carter,....and you still expect him to score 20+ points every night on his outside shooting alone?? Cause what else has he got in his arsenal that would allow him to do it for 82 pro games?

J.J. Reddick is great collegiate shooting guard; but to say an NBA team would choose a 3-point shooting white kid who has had the best talent in the country around him already as the #1 pick? You're dreaming. Reddick would have to be able to play PG in the NBA with his size, and he's nowhere near that good to do that.

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December 28, 2005, 12:31:56 pm #23 Last Edit: December 28, 2005, 12:34:05 pm by HawgAdvocate
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I thought TJ Ford went to Texas?

He did. I was making a sandwich while typing.. I edited my post pretty quick, adding Kenyon Martin and Bogut (?) to the Wooden list as well
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HaWg 10

Quote from: HawgAdvocate on December 28, 2005, 12:26:52 pm
Whatever...all one has to do is look at a list of past Wooden Award winners (top college player), from Duke especially, to see that the top collegiate player almost never gets the top pick in the draft. How quickly you forget how much stock NBA GMs put in potential.

Rudy Gay will be the top pick, hands down. Reddick will be drafted AFTER Morrison mostly because Morrison does more with less around him. Morrison is better at creating his own shot too.

Jameer Nelson, T.J. Ford, Jason Williams (Duke), Shane Battier...all former Wooden Award winners as best collegiate baller. The lone exceptions to winning the Wooden award as of late are Kenton Martin, Elton Brand and maybe Andrew Bogut ( I can't recall who won it last year). But all three have an NBA body whereas Reddick wouldn't last a half guarding Kobe, T-Mac, A.I., Carmelo, Lebron, Joe Johnson, or Vince Carter,....and you still expect him to score 20+ points every night on his outside shooting alone?? Cause what else has he got in his arsenal that would allow him to do it for 82 pro games?

J.J. Reddick is great collegiate shooting guard; but to say an NBA team would choose a 3-point shooting white kid who has had the best talent in the country around him already as the #1 pick? You're dreaming. Reddick would have to be able to play PG in the NBA with his size, and he's nowhere near that good to do that.

Spud Webb, Earl Boykins, what about their size?
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hogfankb

Quote from: HaWg 10 WiLd on December 28, 2005, 12:23:38 pm
Quote from: hogfankb on December 28, 2005, 12:11:43 pm
Quote from: HaWg 10 WiLd on December 28, 2005, 11:41:50 am
Quote from: hogfankb on December 28, 2005, 11:35:10 am
Quote from: HaWg 10 WiLd on December 28, 2005, 10:18:56 am
We live in lala land around here putting Ronnie Brewer in the same category as Rudy Gay and Adam Morrison....

I vote 1.JJ Redick
2.Adam Morrison
3.Up for grabs

JJ Reddick as the top NBA pick? He doesn't stand a chance.

You don't think NBA teams are dying to get the most prolific 3-point man in college history? no you are right, he don't stand a chance.. not to mention a player who studied under coach K for 4 yrs..
As for the Coach K comment. Name 3 great players in the NBA from Duke other than Elton Brand.


Now now, don't be putting words in my mouth, didn't say playing for coach K makes you a great NBA player. i was referring to the knowledge that he has about the game of basketball and any kid that plays under his tutaledge is already a step ahead of the rest of the pack..


Ok your right i was putting your words in your mouth. When you put it like that I completely agree with the basketball knowledge. Still don't think he is anywhere near the top pick but he does know the game and that will help a little to make up for his lack of athletic ability.

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Spud Webb, Earl Boykins, what about their size?

They weren't taken #1.

Those were so small all they have is their quickness. To me, Reddick is a lil faster, better coached, and better surrounded version of Casey Jacobsen (Stanford) or Rex Chapman.

Reddick will have a decent NBA career, but he won't be a starter at the 2-spot in the NBA. He'll get eaten alive defensively.
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Quote from: HawgAdvocate on December 28, 2005, 12:26:52 pm
J.J. Reddick is great collegiate shooting guard; but to say an NBA team would choose a 3-point shooting white kid who has had the best talent in the country around him already as the #1 pick? You're dreaming. Reddick would have to be able to play PG in the NBA with his size, and he's nowhere near that good to do that.

Chicago has 3 players under 6'3 who play the 1 and 2.  Duhon, Hinrich, and Gordon.  All of those guys are similar to Reddick in that they are small but can shoot.  Redick will make it as a 2 in the NBA,  he will come off the bench always, but he has game.
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hogfankb

Quote from: HawgAdvocate on December 28, 2005, 12:26:52 pm
Whatever...all one has to do is look at a list of past Wooden Award winners (top college player), from Duke especially, to see that the top collegiate player almost never gets the top pick in the draft. How quickly you forget how much stock NBA GMs put in potential.

Rudy Gay will be the top pick, hands down. Reddick will be drafted AFTER Morrison mostly because Morrison does more with less around him. Morrison is better at creating his own shot too.

Jameer Nelson, T.J. Ford, Jason Williams (Duke), Shane Battier...all former Wooden Award winners as best collegiate baller. The lone exceptions to winning the Wooden award as of late are Kenton Martin, Elton Brand and maybe Andrew Bogut ( I can't recall who won it last year). But all three have an NBA body whereas Reddick wouldn't last a half guarding Kobe, T-Mac, A.I., Carmelo, Lebron, Joe Johnson, or Vince Carter,....and you still expect him to score 20+ points every night on his outside shooting alone?? Cause what else has he got in his arsenal that would allow him to do it for 82 pro games?

J.J. Reddick is great collegiate shooting guard; but to say an NBA team would choose a 3-point shooting white kid who has had the best talent in the country around him already as the #1 pick? You're dreaming. Reddick would have to be able to play PG in the NBA with his size, and he's nowhere near that good to do that.

Ford will be a great point gaurd in the NBA already avg. 13 pts 6 assists in his second year. As for Reddick playing the point that would not be a good option and neither would him guarding the two guard. He would be best suited to play for a team like Cleveland where their SG usually plays more of a PG roll. Which a lot of teams could do. Or maybe even come off the bench for a team like NJ where they already have 2 slasher type off guards where he could catch and shoot off their penetration. Either way he does not match up well in the NBA that is why I think he will be more of a roll player

Boner

Quote from: HawgAdvocate on December 28, 2005, 12:26:52 pm
Whatever...all one has to do is look at a list of past Wooden Award winners (top college player), from Duke especially, to see that the top collegiate player almost never gets the top pick in the draft. How quickly you forget how much stock NBA GMs put in potential.

Rudy Gay will be the top pick, hands down. Reddick will be drafted AFTER Morrison mostly because Morrison does more with less around him. Morrison is better at creating his own shot too.

Jameer Nelson, T.J. Ford, Jason Williams (Duke), Shane Battier...all former Wooden Award winners as best collegiate baller. The lone exceptions to winning the Wooden award as of late are Kenton Martin, Elton Brand and maybe Andrew Bogut ( I can't recall who won it last year). But all three have an NBA body whereas Reddick wouldn't last a half guarding Kobe, T-Mac, A.I., Carmelo, Lebron, Joe Johnson, or Vince Carter,....and you still expect him to score 20+ points every night on his outside shooting alone?? Cause what else has he got in his arsenal that would allow him to do it for 82 pro games?

J.J. Reddick is great collegiate shooting guard; but to say an NBA team would choose a 3-point shooting white kid who has had the best talent in the country around him already as the #1 pick? You're dreaming. Reddick would have to be able to play PG in the NBA with his size, and he's nowhere near that good to do that.

As far as your Wooden examples go, Nelson has been a bust so far, but that it.  Battier is a very solid player and have you seen TJ Ford this year.  He's played at an all star level.  And you can't really say Jason Williams was a bust because of the injury.

Duke has actually produced some pretty good players in the league.  Not really superstars, but certainly quality players.  Brand, Maggette, Boozer, Duhon are all solid players.  Laetner?  Call him a bust if you want, but 13 years in the NBA says something.

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Hinrich and Duhon are proven & polished PGs who have spent years honing their playmaking and ball handling abilities. They have shown they can contribute without needing to score 20 points a game.

Gorden is a decent example...but Gorden always seemed to me to be able to score whenever or from wherever he wanted. All I see from Reddick is jump shots off screens and picks. Honestly though, that's how Duke's offense works.

I do agree that Redick will make it as a role-playing 2 in the league, but he won't be the #1 pick (which was my intended point). The guy has skills, but he'll be guarding PGs in the NBA. Reddick is 6'4" and 190lbs. That won't hold many 2 guards at bay.
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As far as your Wooden examples go, Nelson has been a bust so far, but that it. Battier is a very solid player and have you seen TJ Ford this year. He's played at an all star level. And you can't really say Jason Williams was a bust because of the injury.

Duke has actually produced some pretty good players in the league. Not really superstars, but certainly quality players. Brand, Maggette, Boozer, Duhon are all solid players. Laetner? Call him a bust if you want, but 13 years in the NBA says something.

I never called ANYONE a bust. I said those guys aren't #1 picks.

damn yo.
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Quote from: HawgAdvocate on December 28, 2005, 12:52:35 pm
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As far as your Wooden examples go, Nelson has been a bust so far, but that it. Battier is a very solid player and have you seen TJ Ford this year. He's played at an all star level. And you can't really say Jason Williams was a bust because of the injury.

Duke has actually produced some pretty good players in the league. Not really superstars, but certainly quality players. Brand, Maggette, Boozer, Duhon are all solid players. Laetner? Call him a bust if you want, but 13 years in the NBA says something.

I never called ANYONE a bust. I said those guys aren't #1 picks.

damn yo.


Ahhhhhh.  My bad.  Then it was for the guy that said Coach K doesn't develop NBA players.

Coachjy

Morrison is the best player in the country period. And to think he was a 2-star coming out of high school. Shows those rival ratings don't mean much. He will have a great NBA career.

Niels Boar

Gay has the most upside.  He has the full package.  Morrison will be a good NBA player, but he ain't Larry Bird.  His perimeter game is not near as terrifying as Bird's was, not even close. Havlicek is actually a better comparison for Morrison.  He will not find it easy to create his own shot in the NBA.  Brewer will probably never be a consistent shooter.  Gay has explosion and a good jumper.  Those are the guys who usually star in the NBA.  Not many small forwards (Bird, Adrian Dantley, Rick Barry) dominate from the ground. 

Pignominious

Quote from: HawgAdvocate on December 28, 2005, 12:50:22 pm
Hinrich and Duhon are proven & polished PGs who have spent years honing their playmaking and ball handling abilities. They have shown they can contribute without needing to score 20 points a game.

Gorden is a decent example...but Gorden always seemed to me to be able to score whenever or from wherever he wanted. All I see from Reddick is jump shots off screens and picks. Honestly though, that's how Duke's offense works.

I do agree that Redick will make it as a role-playing 2 in the league, but he won't be the #1 pick (which was my intended point). The guy has skills, but he'll be guarding PGs in the NBA. Reddick is 6'4" and 190lbs. That won't hold many 2 guards at bay.

Yea he is definitely not the #1 pick, I pretty much agree with you.  He has improved his game alot and I think Dicky V is right about him he is farely athletic (for a white guy)  :)  and has stopped shooting all jump shots and is taking it to the rack.
Ray Biggers' third cousin.

justmakeit2thebcs

Quote from: akp4105 on December 28, 2005, 12:05:34 pm
Ronnie Brewer is an all around player, whose stock will rise as the season goes on and then nba workouts begin..he's a lottery pick and most likely in the 6-10 range..most mock drafts i've seen by writers and stuff have him at 7 or 8..and i havent seen him below 10...the reason he'll be in the top 10 is the age rule, and most teams are seeing it takes the younger high school guys awhile to adjust to the nba (except lebron james, carmelo anthony, etc.) most players cant make the jump and be a huge impact and now with the age limit..it really helps ronnie..he's an all around player and once he polishes his game..works on not gettin beat off the dribble..stayin down and not always goin for the steal..he'll be amazing..is he a franchise player? not right now..but he's got the potential...he's a likable guy..people like his smile, the way he plays and his demeanor..that has alot to do with how you'll do in the nba...because people think they can make money with you on their team..he'll be an all-star after some years..and i expect him to be at the all star events with the rookies and sophmores both years..he wow's people and the scout i sat next to at the missouri game really liked him..we'll see..but i'll bet he's in the range of a 6-10 pick next year..

So what position does Ronnie play in the NBA at an all-star level?

Zen_Hog


RandyFromJohnson

Quote from: hogfankb on December 28, 2005, 08:00:28 am
Quote from: TaintNuttinToIt on December 28, 2005, 02:28:08 am
Morrison is the new Keith Van Horn. Hellacious collegiate player above average professional player. While he's better today, Gay and Brewer have greater potential.

Agreed. Great college player but I am very skeptical of how well he can score against NBA athletes. Would love to have him on my team but Gay seems like a guy who could become a #1 scorer on a team. Brewer is great but he isn't quite where these guys are just yet. Jump shots do more than just get you 3 pointers. They also open up things for your post players and give you more opportunities off the dribble. Brewer will be good in the NBA but again I dont think he will be a #1 option for any team in the league.
You don't recall Morrison posting 43 on a bunch of NBA-type athletes (Mich. St.) in Maui ? Or his performance against UM last night ? IMO, Morrison is BY FAR the best player in the college game today. I would put Gay in that category except for his pattern of inconsistency. He lit our ass up on Monday night in Maui, then went for 6 against Arizona the next night. A player of his talent doesn't do that without being seriously passive. He struck me as a more well-rounded Allan Houston.

hogfankb

I actually read his post wrong. Thought we were talking about Reddick. Morrison is a great player and will play well in the NBA because of his size and outside shot. But I still don't think he will ever be a #1 scorer on any NBA team so I don't think he would be the top pick in the draft.

mbgrulz

Quote from: justmakeit2thebcs on December 28, 2005, 11:32:20 am
lets see...Ronnie can't handle the ball well enough to play point, he can't shoot well enough to play shooting guard and he's too small to play forward. And to top it off, his defense is played purely with his hand/arms. If he doesn't learn to use his feet, he'll be nothing more than a role player in the NBA. That said, he is a very good college player.
rick majerous (SP) called ronnie the best defensive player in college basketball. i think that ronnie could start for the right team in a few years. i think ronnie is better than joe johnson, but RB plays a much more college friendly flavor of basketball.

justmakeit2thebcs

Quote from: Dmac4Heisman on December 28, 2005, 09:21:17 pm
SF
lets look at some of the SF playing today......

1. Lebron
2. T-Mac
3.  Kevin Garnett
4.  Rashard Lewis
5.  Melo
6.  Shawn Marion
7.  Vince Carter
8.  Paul Pierce
9.  Ron Artest
10.  Peja

You need to take off your Razorback colored glasses.  Name one thing that Brewer can do better than anyone on the list above, just one.  Hell, project forward 7 or 8 years.

Zen_Hog

He can play defense better than Peja haha!!
He'll be the Iguodala type of player, who guards the opponents best shooter that is a SG/SF

justmakeit2thebcs

December 28, 2005, 10:35:31 pm #43 Last Edit: December 28, 2005, 10:37:21 pm by justmakeit2thebcs
Quote from: Dmac4Heisman on December 28, 2005, 10:23:17 pm
He can play defense better than Peja haha!!
He'll be the Iguodala type of player, who guards the opponents best shooter that is a SG/SF

So what your saying is he is going to be an All-Star based on his defense?

I might give you the Peja reference...its close...but Peja can shoot.  Imagine RB guarding any of those listed above, and since you threw in SG..add Kobe, Dwade, Ray Allen, Jason Richardson, Micheal Redd, Ginoblli...even Joe Johnson would wear him out.

Zen_Hog

Yeah, he'll definately be able to guard any of those. You asked me to project him in 8 years to the players you listed. Ray Allen won't even be playing in 8 years!

justmakeit2thebcs

Quote from: Dmac4Heisman on December 28, 2005, 10:40:43 pm
Yeah, he'll definately be able to guard any of those. You asked me to project him in 8 years to the players you listed. Ray Allen won't even be playing in 8 years!

you have lost your mind....you know Todd Day had a lot of steals for the hogs too.  but he couldn't play a lick of Defense against an NBA Player.

Zen_Hog

So you don't think Brewer would be able to guard any of those guys after 8 years of the NBA? I say he'll make All NBA first/second team in 5 years max

justmakeit2thebcs

Quote from: Dmac4Heisman on December 28, 2005, 10:47:39 pm
So you don't think Brewer would be able to guard any of those guys after 8 years of the NBA? I say he'll make All NBA first/second team in 5 years max

no...I its marginable whether he'll be in the NBA in 8 years

Zen_Hog


Pignominious

December 28, 2005, 11:27:49 pm #49 Last Edit: December 28, 2005, 11:31:01 pm by BearclawHogs44
Quote from: justmakeit2thebcs on December 28, 2005, 10:49:05 pm
Quote from: Dmac4Heisman on December 28, 2005, 10:47:39 pm
So you don't think Brewer would be able to guard any of those guys after 8 years of the NBA? I say he'll make All NBA first/second team in 5 years max

no...I its marginable whether he'll be in the NBA in 8 years


Don't be foolish, you are comparing Ronnie Brewer to CURRENT nba players.  Players that will be in the nba in a few years ie rudy gay, Ronnie didn't play to bad against.  I wouldn't give any college players right now a snowballs chance in hell of guarding Tmac, Lebron, etc.  Hell most NBA players can't guard them.
Ray Biggers' third cousin.