H.S. Athlete Combine

[twistitup]

Why isn't there an open combine for HS athletes and college coaches to attend....maybe it would help smaller school kids or those on bad teams to get noticed.

It would be free, not like a camp. State by state schedule on diff weekends...

[factchecker]

Why isn't there an open combine for HS athletes and college coaches to attend....maybe it would help smaller school kids or those on bad teams to get noticed.

It would be free, not like a camp. State by state schedule on diff weekends...

Most satellite/prospect camps are cheap.  You've got to charge some kind of money to pay staff members, have medical supplies, turn on the lights, run water, have food, drinks, and t-shirts for the prospective student athletes.

https://twitter.com/NIU_Football/status/865648303244951553

http://niu.sidearmsports.com/sports/2016/9/8/camps-index-html.aspx

https://twitter.com/TSUFootball/status/861993155431985152

https://register.myonlinecamp.com/camp.cfm?sport=1&id=99321  ($40)

Prospect camp on campus http://www.razorbacksfootballcamps.com/summer-camps.cfm  ($40)

[factchecker]

For those who have linemen in their family-

The Razorbacks are conducting a o-line specific camp:

https://twitter.com/ArkansasFBcamps/status/856937737647267842

Trench Hogs OL / DL Camp
Dates: June 18th
Entering Grades: 9th - 12th
Check In: 10:00am - 11:00am
Camp Start: 11:00am
Conclusion: 5:00pm
Cost: $60, Includes Lunch & Camp T-Shirt

https://register.myonlinecamp.com/camp.cfm?sport=1&id=98308

[twistitup]

Im not talking about camps....I would like to see combine style drills- Similar to NFL style setup

Camps dont really have results - hard to measure. I like 40, bench, vert, shuttle etc...

[factchecker]

Im not talking about camps....I would like to see combine style drills- Similar to NFL style setup

Camps dont really have results - hard to measure. I like 40, bench, vert, shuttle etc...

Have you ever been to or taken someone to a prospect camp?

Plenty of these satellite and elite prospect camps are just what you described minus maybe the bench press.  They test 40's, shuttles, and run them through drills.

Regardless, you can't have those camps for free.  You need money just to cover insurance and medical expenses alone.

[twistitup]

If the combine was not connected to schools, couldnt it be sponsored by big business? This could cover extensies. Kids go online, register, and get a time slot...show up, show off, go home

[factchecker]

If the combine was not connected to schools, couldnt it be sponsored by big business?

Very good question.  I truly don't know the answer.

The NCAA finds ways to f good things up so even if a company was willing to sponsor a free combine I'm not sure if it would be ok.

I would guess there would have to be zero connections (boosters etc.) to the camp.

It would be cool if the AHSAA would organize a combine for outgoing seniors.  Have the event at WMS and make it as bare bones/ straight forward as possible.  Station to station testing.  Show up, check in, name, height, weight, run 40, shuttle drill, bench press, and then break out into recorded indo drills.  The film then could be uploaded to the player's HUDL.

[twistitup]

Very good question.  I truly don't know the answer.

The NCAA finds ways to f good things up so even if a company was willing to sponsor a free combine I'm not sure if it would be ok.

I would guess there would have to be zero connections (boosters etc.) to the camp.

It would be cool if the AHSAA would organize a combine for outgoing seniors.  Have the event at WMS and make it as bare bones/ straight forward as possible.  Station to station testing.  Show up, check in, name, height, weight, run 40, shuttle drill, bench press, and then break out into recorded indo drills.  The film then could be uploaded to the player's HUDL.

Would be sweet. WMS would be good,  centralized location. Seniors only...good idea. The results could really help some kids who may have fallen through the cracks.

[hawgfan4life]

Arkansas has the FCA combine.  Most prospects will not be considered by a school unless the athlete attends a camp at the school.  That is simply how it works.  Scouts are interested in combine type measures but that is only a part of what they want to see in an athlete.  Having a combine where every kid in the state can attend would not interest college coaches.

[bphi11ips]

Arkansas has the FCA combine.  Most prospects will not be considered by a school unless the athlete attends a camp at the school.  That is simply how it works.  Scouts are interested in combine type measures but that is only a part of what they want to see in an athlete.  Having a combine where every kid in the state can attend would not interest college coaches.

This.

Twistitup's concept is good, but sattelite camps, Rivals camps, etc., are beauty contests to avoid unless you're really pretty or really fast.  Too many kids and not enough time to tell anything about football skills. 

The only way to really evaluate recruits is to watch lots of film and measure, weigh and time them on campus. 

[bennyl08]

If the combine was not connected to schools, couldnt it be sponsored by big business? This could cover extensies. Kids go online, register, and get a time slot...show up, show off, go home

Have you heard of the Sparq combine? Largely funded by Nike?

[bennyl08]

This.

Twistitup's concept is good, but sattelite camps, Rivals camps, etc., are beauty contests to avoid unless you're really pretty or really fast.  Too many kids and not enough time to tell anything about football skills. 

The only way to really evaluate recruits is to watch lots of film and measure, weigh and time them on campus.

Think you missed "interviewing them".

First thing you have to determine, will the player physically be able to play at the college level? That is done by measuring, timing, guestimating from the tape.

2nd. question: Can they translate their physical talent to production on the football field? That's where tape really comes into play.

3rd question: Can they work hard enough to play at the collegiate level? This one is the hardest to answer. You can look at tape to see how well they did against other high level competition (if they played any) or see how they perform at camps against high level competition. This gives an idea of how much work the player needs to do. However, the #1 recruit in the country is going to struggle to play at the college level if they put in no effort. So, you have to figure out how much room the player has left to improve. How much effort they will put into improving, and how easily they take to coaching or if it is hard for them to learn new things.

Tape and combines and camps can get you the first two. They can provide a little bit of insight into the third, but not a whole lot. Question three is what really separates the best from the rest. Players and coaches. You can study film, call great players, analyze the strengths and weaknesses of the players physically without ever interacting with the actual player. However, presenting the information to them in a way they can learn, motivating them by learning the right combinations of buttons to press. That's the hard part of coaching. Similarly, plenty of people who are fast and strong. But you have to work hard to be successful. Raw talent alone doesn't get you very far.

[twistitup]

Have you heard of the Sparq combine? Largely funded by Nike?

Exclusive concept, high dollar...invites only?

Im thinking all inclusive...the results would interest college coaches. Just another recruiting tool.

[bphi11ips]

Think you missed "interviewing them".

First thing you have to determine, will the player physically be able to play at the college level? That is done by measuring, timing, guestimating from the tape.

2nd. question: Can they translate their physical talent to production on the football field? That's where tape really comes into play.

3rd question: Can they work hard enough to play at the collegiate level? This one is the hardest to answer. You can look at tape to see how well they did against other high level competition (if they played any) or see how they perform at camps against high level competition. This gives an idea of how much work the player needs to do. However, the #1 recruit in the country is going to struggle to play at the college level if they put in no effort. So, you have to figure out how much room the player has left to improve. How much effort they will put into improving, and how easily they take to coaching or if it is hard for them to learn new things.

Tape and combines and camps can get you the first two. They can provide a little bit of insight into the third, but not a whole lot. Question three is what really separates the best from the rest. Players and coaches. You can study film, call great players, analyze the strengths and weaknesses of the players physically without ever interacting with the actual player. However, presenting the information to them in a way they can learn, motivating them by learning the right combinations of buttons to press. That's the hard part of coaching. Similarly, plenty of people who are fast and strong. But you have to work hard to be successful. Raw talent alone doesn't get you very far.

Actually, I had "interviewing them" in my post and deleted it.  But that's part of the evaluation also. 

I'm going through the process now with my son and have seen the process up close with guidance from some experienced people I trust.  It's been an eye opening experience to say the least.  But I'm sure you know more about it than anyone.

[bennyl08]

Actually, I had "interviewing them" in my post and deleted it.  But that's part of the evaluation also. 

I'm going through the process now with my son and have seen the process up close with guidance from some experienced people I trust.  It's been an eye opening experience to say the least.  But I'm sure you know more about it than anyone.

Me personally, no. However, I listen to and pay attention to information from those that have. Actual coaches who have talked about how they recruit and what they look for in a recruit. Recruits responding to questions about what coaches talk to them about, and what the recruits themselves look for. As individuals, we are limited in scope of what we can do in a single life. However, it isn't too difficult to open your eyes and compile what others have experienced.

It's easy to say a person in the forest has more right to talk about the forest than somebody outside of it. However, the person in the forest can only see a few trees and has no idea what is going in the part of the forest that they are not in. The person in the helicopter can't get the same level of detail, but that person can see the whole forest and get more of the big picture.

[bphi11ips]

Me personally, no. However, I listen to and pay attention to information from those that have. Actual coaches who have talked about how they recruit and what they look for in a recruit. Recruits responding to questions about what coaches talk to them about, and what the recruits themselves look for. As individuals, we are limited in scope of what we can do in a single life. However, it isn't too difficult to open your eyes and compile what others have experienced.

It's easy to say a person in the forest has more right to talk about the forest than somebody outside of it. However, the person in the forest can only see a few trees and has no idea what is going in the part of the forest that they are not in. The person in the helicopter can't get the same level of detail, but that person can see the whole forest and get more of the big picture.

Dang. Never thought of it that way. 

[ricepig]

Me personally, no. However, I listen to and pay attention to information from those that have. Actual coaches who have talked about how they recruit and what they look for in a recruit. Recruits responding to questions about what coaches talk to them about, and what the recruits themselves look for. As individuals, we are limited in scope of what we can do in a single life. However, it isn't too difficult to open your eyes and compile what others have experienced.

It's easy to say a person in the forest has more right to talk about the forest than somebody outside of it. However, the person in the forest can only see a few trees and has no idea what is going in the part of the forest that they are not in. The person in the helicopter can't get the same level of detail, but that person can see the whole forest and get more of the big picture.

And some people are Forrest Gump......

[hog of steele]

There used to be an FCA combine. IDK if it was free but I know some folks who went had the connections to get you connected if you were a special athlete.

[PonderinHog]

And some people are Forrest Gump......

Stupid, but fast

[hogginbama]

The Army Recruiting Command sponsors a combine in conjunction with their All-American game in San Antonio.

http://www.usarmyallamericanbowl.com/national-combine/

The Indianapolis Colts also sponsor one for Indiana high school players as well.

http://www.coltsprepspro.com/

I have been to the set up in San Antonio and they spare no expense bringing in the players, coaches, support staff, etc. When the first camp done by the Colts was conducted a good friend of mine worked it with the Army Recruiting Command and said it was top notch. Absolutely on par with the one ran every year for the college players going pro.

[ricepig]

https://twitter.com/Jason_Kilburn/status/866691258336542721

[twistitup]

https://twitter.com/Jason_Kilburn/status/866691258336542721

Free?

[ricepig]

Free?

I have no idea.

[twistitup]

Got an idea...

Twisted Rice - Arkansas Sr. Combine

Sponsored by Riceland

[jethro]

Wonder why UCA isn't on that poster?

[ricepig]

Got an idea...

Twisted Rice - Arkansas Sr. Combine

Sponsored by Riceland

Cool, how much money can you and I make off of it?

[factchecker]

Free?

$35

http://www.naturalstateseniorelitecamp.com/

[twistitup]

Cool, how much money can you and I make off of it?

Not sure- depends on how much corporate money we could raise - it's all about financial backing.

Organizing and promotion pays well....execution is key

[PonderinHog]

Not sure- depends on how much corporate money we could raise - it's all about financial backing.

Organizing and promotion pays well....execution is key

Maybe Marcus Monk can give you two some pointers...

[moehog]

http://www.jacksonsun.com/story/sports/high-school/football/2017/03/19/football-combine-coming-peabody/99396992/

[twistitup]

http://www.jacksonsun.com/story/sports/high-school/football/2017/03/19/football-combine-coming-peabody/99396992/

I like it...don't understand why more states don't do it to highlight their athletes. It could be a fun, festive family type atmoshphere.