It's Kentucky for Christ's Sake

[Porked Tongue]

This was expected and isn't a reason to go postal.

[lynbug]

At least Monk didn't show out.

[26.2Hog]

This was expected and isn't a reason to go postal.

Without going postal, you expected and are good with a 26 point blowout because "it's Kentucky"?

[Porked Tongue]

6 or 26, I'm not thrilled or satisfied but in this particular case.......it's understandable.

[bkjbearcat]

At least Monk didn't show out.

This time last year I thought it was Monk who was going to show out, against KY. But hey he wasn't right for MA's system. So oh well.   

[WorfHog]

At least Monk didn't show out.

Just like he won't in the NBA...Monk family future not looking too bright. 

[AirWarren]

Just like he won't in the NBA...Monk family future not looking too bright.

Gotta make sure granny gets a nickel.

[Atlhogfan1]

Sanity's thread should be the only one not locked. 

[Hogsolo]

Yeah the best Pro Team in the SEC

[Smithian]

This was expected and isn't a reason to go postal.

If you don't want to compare Arkansas to Kentucky, then let's cut some salaries and we shouldn't have spent money on that practice facility. Then we can compare ourselves with the Auburns, A&Ms, Georgias, etc. We'll have to do it differently than Kentucky and can't expect to beat them, or Florida, on a consistent basis, but we need to compare ourselves to the best.

I'm not going to give up on this season because of one loss but it's still frustrating. If we have some higher aspiration down the road we'll have to beat the big programs. Some good things to take out of tonight but have to keep moving forward.

[WorfHog]

Gotta make sure granny gets a nickel.

I'll go to the grave making sure they don't get one of mine.

[Porked Tongue]

If you don't want to compare Arkansas to Kentucky, then let's cut some salaries and we shouldn't have spent money on that practice facility. Then we can compare ourselves with the Auburns, A&Ms, Georgias, etc. We'll have to do it differently than Kentucky and can't expect to beat them, or Florida, on a consistent basis, but we need to compare ourselves to the best.

I'm not going to give up on this season because of one loss but it's still frustrating. If we have some higher aspiration down the road we'll have to beat the big programs. Some good things to take out of tonight but have to keep moving forward.

Long term, no doubt about it.

Tonight, I won't be worrying about it.

[26.2Hog]

This was expected and isn't a reason to go postal.

I'll ask again.  You expected a 26 point blowout?

[Porked Tongue]

I'll ask again.  You expected a 26 point blowout?

I believed, as did almost everyone, we'd lose by plenty.  Spread was 17.  At least it wasn't 26.2

With that in mind, I'm not overly emotional in the short term moment.

[26.2Hog]

I believed, as did almost everyone, we'd lose by plenty.  Spread was 17.  At least it wasn't 26.2

With that in mind, I'm not overly emotional in the short term moment.

Understandable.  And a fine sense of humor.   

[Locutus_of_Boar]

This was expected and isn't a reason to go postal.

For some unknown reason tonight the local cable TV messed up and had sound but no video for most of the first half.  There was a time, decades ago when if that happened during the Kentucky game I might have contemplated going postal.  These days I barely noticed as MA's team mailed it in once again when the picture came back on.

[WilsonHog]

Without going postal, you expected and are good with a 26 point blowout because "it's Kentucky"?

Well, I called it between 20 and 30, so yeah, I'm good with it.

[ShadowHawg]

For some unknown reason tonight the local cable TV messed up and had sound but no video for most of the first half.  There was a time, decades ago when if that happened during the Kentucky game I might have contemplated going postal.  These days I barely noticed as MA's team mailed it in once again when the picture came back on.

Our boys didn't mail it in at all, unlike you.

[Hogs958]

it's ok we lost. That's what I read.

[ErieHog]

I'll ask again.  You expected a 26 point blowout?

Yeah.  Most of the basketball folks did.   This isn't a great matchup, and the spread was actually quite favorable.

[WilsonHog]

it's ok we lost. That's what I read.

Yeah, pretty much. We play Mississippi State and Missouri at home next week.

[Atlhogfan1]

For some unknown reason tonight the local cable TV messed up and had sound but no video for most of the first half.  There was a time, decades ago when if that happened during the Kentucky game I might have contemplated going postal.  These days I barely noticed as MA's team mailed it in once again when the picture came back on.

Wouldn't say we mailed it in.  The game got out of hand when we started taking poor shots which led to poor floor balance and UK getting out into the open court. 

[26.2Hog]

Yeah.  Most of the basketball folks did.   This isn't a great matchup, and the spread was actually quite favorable.

The spread was 17.  Glad you're good with a 26 point blowout.

[The_Iceman]

Without going postal, you expected and are good with a 26 point blowout because "it's Kentucky"?

A team that went to the Sweet 16 last year lost by 42 last week. At least we made it a game for 30 minutes.

We fought hard against the best team money can buy. They are loaded with 5 star players. That is Kentucky. We are not on that level. But, I still believe we can be the 3rd best team in the SEC.

[rude1]

If you don't want to compare Arkansas to Kentucky, then let's cut some salaries and we shouldn't have spent money on that practice facility. Then we can compare ourselves with the Auburns, A&Ms, Georgias, etc. We'll have to do it differently than Kentucky and can't expect to beat them, or Florida, on a consistent basis, but we need to compare ourselves to the best.

I'm not going to give up on this season because of one loss but it's still frustrating. If we have some higher aspiration down the road we'll have to beat the big programs. Some good things to take out of tonight but have to keep moving forward.

I don't think anyone is saying that. I think they are saying this isn't the year for that comparison. We brought in Jucos, they brought in elite level talent yet again. It was a mismatch going in and would have taken a huge effort to pull off a win. This team needs to be judged on how well they progress the rest of the season, because we know they aren't elite.

[elksnort]

It's funny, here in Arkansas you would not expect a title line like the OP presented to be acceptable.

It does not necessarily bother me

[WilsonHog]

People tend to be too knee-jerk. Let the season play out. The tale will be told over the next six weeks or so.

[The_Iceman]

If you don't want to compare Arkansas to Kentucky, then let's cut some salaries and we shouldn't have spent money on that practice facility. Then we can compare ourselves with the Auburns, A&Ms, Georgias, etc. We'll have to do it differently than Kentucky and can't expect to beat them, or Florida, on a consistent basis, but we need to compare ourselves to the best.

I'm not going to give up on this season because of one loss but it's still frustrating. If we have some higher aspiration down the road we'll have to beat the big programs. Some good things to take out of tonight but have to keep moving forward.

Our coaching salary and practice facility is on the same level as the schools you mentioned. If we didn't have a practice facility and cut our coaches salaries, we'd be dead last in the SEC.

We aren't Kentucky. We will never be consistently as good as Kentucky, just like football won't be with Alabama. Even in Nolan's best years from 1991-1996, Kentucky was still better than us. But, we can continue building a solid roster to the point where we can compete with them in years where things fall right.

[Locutus_of_Boar]

Wouldn't say we mailed it in.  The game got out of hand when we started taking poor shots which led to poor floor balance and UK getting out into the open court.

This was hardly a vintage Kentucky team they played tonight.  That said Cal punched whatever button he needed to at half and the Cats pretty much played to their ability which meant they steadily pulled away throughout the 2nd half.

This Arkansas team is about as good as it gets under MA which means they can hang in with a few talented teams but aren't going to be a serious threat to any team that could get beyond the first weekend of the NCAA. 

The good news is they certainly aren't an embarrassment but neither are they a reason to get our hopes up that any sort of new banner will get hung with the dusty ones any time soon.  In Jeff Long's long term business plan that seems to be the idea.

[Atlhogfan1]

Understandably some aren't going to a gloss over a 26pt loss. (Not in that group personally) Fox was a mismatch for us obviously from a quickness standpoint.  And another SF had a nice game against us in Willis. 

In the big picture of this season this loss doesn't matter. Too many wins left which will lead to an NCAAT appearance.

[Atlhogfan1]

This was hardly a vintage Kentucky team they played tonight.  That said Cal punched whatever button he needed to at half and the Cats pretty much played to their ability which meant they steadily pulled away throughout the 2nd half.

This Arkansas team is about as good as it gets under MA which means they can hang in with a few talented teams but aren't going to be a serious threat to any team that could get beyond the first weekend of the NCAA. 

The good news is they certainly aren't an embarrassment but neither are they a reason to get our hopes up that any sort of new banner will get hung with the dusty ones any time soon.  In Jeff Long's long term business plan that seems to be the idea.

I agree on Cal at the half. He got their intensity up.

[WilsonHog]

Understandably some aren't going to a gloss over a 26pt loss. (Not in that group personally) Fox was a mismatch for us obviously from a quickness standpoint.  And another SF had a nice game against us in Willis. 

In the big picture of this season this loss doesn't matter. Too many wins left which will lead to an NCAAT appearance.

And, that NCAA appearance, or lack thereof, will be the measuring stick for whether this season was a success.

[racingpossum]

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[Atlhogfan1]

Hey duncebag let me fill you in on a little something. This was the 2nd largest beat down by Kentucky since joining the SEC. The biggest being  point beat down in 2010 with a Kentucky team consisting of

1.) Boogie Cousins
2.) John Wall
3.) Eric Bledsoe
4.) Patrick Patterson

We have a better roster this season than we did with the likes of Fortson, Clarke, Mike Washington, Marshawn Powell in 2010. Kentucky's roster was better then than theirs now. I am glad you are content with the 23 point 2nd half beat down.

Pure Apathy and people like you and all your excuse making cronies make me want to puke.

SECOND WORST BEAT DOWN BY KENTUCKY SINCE JOINING THE SEC....ENOUGH WITH YOU TRYING TO POLISH S(-)IT!

. This isn't going to be rcvd well

[elksnort]

And, that NCAA appearance, or lack thereof, will be the measuring stick for whether this season was a success.

YES, I THINK.

[WilsonHog]

Those who cannot discuss basketball without personally insulting those who disagree with them will soon find themselves unable to post.

Tone down the vitriol.

[ShadowHawg]

Wouldn't say we mailed it in.  The game got out of hand when we started taking poor shots which led to poor floor balance and UK getting out into the open court.

Exactly

[racingpossum]

Those who cannot discuss basketball without personally insulting those who disagree with them will soon find themselves unable to post.

Tone down the vitriol.

So it is ok to use God's name in vain as thread title but not to call someone a duncebag not douchebag but duncebag?

Especially saying it is ok to accept a 26 point beat down the 2nd worst since joining the SEC. Not only is it the second worst defeat by Kentucky since joining SEC, but we have the SEC preseason player of the year on our team....


Come on man he needs to be called out over that apathy statement.

[1highhog]

This was expected and isn't a reason to go postal.

Look, I don't go postal on any games we lose anymore, I've come to expect them ever since the 1995 season.  Even Nolan couldn't win the SEC after that year, so we are no longer a top 5 team in basketball in the SEC and will struggle to try and get there this year.  We should be a top 2 team in the SEC every year and go into the NCAA Tournament no lower than a 4 seed each year.  That's where Arkansas basketball should be every yesr, I just don't know if CMA can get us there.

[ErieHog]

The spread was 17.  Glad you're good with a 26 point blowout.

Its exactly what was on tap;  matchups matter, and this isn't a particularly good one for the Hogs.   It doesn't make the Hogs a bad basketball team, by any measure.

[Little Lady Back]

For some unknown reason tonight the local cable TV messed up and had sound but no video for most of the first half.  There was a time, decades ago when if that happened during the Kentucky game I might have contemplated going postal.  These days I barely noticed as MA's team mailed it in once again when the picture came back on.

They did not mail it in, just got beat by a better team. Big difference...

[GO]

This was expected and isn't a reason to go postal.

We measure football with how well we compete with the bamas and LSU's. You don't hear anyone say well it was bama..... so why does the basketball team get a pass.  This is year 6 for Anderson and he still doesn't have a team that can compete with Kentucky we will see as the season progresses if he can even compete in a weak basketball conference and make the dance. If not, time should be up on him.  His fastest 40 style basketball gets more antiquated with every passing year.

[The_Iceman]

We measure football with how well we compete with the bamas and LSU's. You don't hear anyone say well it was bama..... so why does the basketball team get a pass. 

Yes, you do hear people say that. In fact, the majority of level headed fans will say that about Bama and Kentucky. They are elite programs with high level talent.

[Porked Tongue]

We measure football with how well we compete with the bamas and LSU's. You don't hear anyone say well it was bama..... so why does the basketball team get a pass.  This is year 6 for Anderson and he still doesn't have a team that can compete with Kentucky we will see as the season progresses if he can even compete in a weak basketball conference and make the dance. If not, time should be up on him.  His fastest 40 style basketball gets more antiquated with every passing year.

Don't confuse me with thinking Anderson is doing a great job. 

FTR, I do hear and excuse losing to Bama in football.

[toxichog]

Lots of different ways to look at it........we lost by 26, end of conversation.     OR

I feel much better about the future of THIS season than I ever have........I did not think that we could go toe to toe with Kentucky on their floor ( or ours ) even for 20 minutes.  What I saw in the first half pleasantly surprised me.  We attacked the rim and scored in the paint.  We defended admirably keeping them in front of us.  Made them take shots, not dunks.  We fought, and didn't have any fear......no back down.  And yes......our coach knew better than to try to pressure them full court and turn it into a dunk-a-thon.
We do not have anybody on our roster to deal with D. Fox......who totally tore us a new one in the second half.
What I saw in the first half gives me confidence we COULD finish third in the SEC this year.  I did NOT think that before the game............

[ErieHog]

We measure football with how well we compete with the bamas and LSU's. You don't hear anyone say well it was bama..... so why does the basketball team get a pass.  This is year 6 for Anderson and he still doesn't have a team that can compete with Kentucky we will see as the season progresses if he can even compete in a weak basketball conference and make the dance. If not, time should be up on him.  His fastest 40 style basketball gets more antiquated with every passing year.

And the gap between the top and the rest is considerably smaller, in football;  Anderson's teams regularly 'compete' with Kentucky-- he's had the best W-L record of anyone with more than 5 meetings with Cal in the last decade.

The SEC isn't a weak basketball conference, by the way-- the top is elite, and the second and third tier are all pretty good-- conference RPI overall is somewhere between 5th and 6th among all conferences, depending on your preferred RPI source --which is pretty darn good in a world where conference name doesn't matter much in pre-setting your worth.    Its still expected to be at minimum a 4 bid league come tournament time.

The team is still in excellent shape to make the tournament, barring some kind of total collapse.   

Not all sickness is death-- but our fans regularly mistake getting out of bed with the pains of old age for stage 4 cancer mixed with ebola.

[Beaverfever]

I honestly wasn't all that impressed with Kentucky. 

[Atlhogfan1]

And the gap between the top and the rest is considerably smaller, in football;  Anderson's teams regularly 'compete' with Kentucky-- he's had the best W-L record of anyone with more than 5 meetings with Cal in the last decade.

The SEC isn't a weak basketball conference, by the way-- the top is elite, and the second and third tier are all pretty good-- conference RPI overall is somewhere between 5th and 6th among all conferences, depending on your preferred RPI source --which is pretty darn good in a world where conference name doesn't matter much in pre-setting your worth.    Its still expected to be at minimum a 4 bid league come tournament time.

The team is still in excellent shape to make the tournament, barring some kind of total collapse.   

Not all sickness is death-- but our fans regularly mistake getting out of bed with the pains of old age for stage 4 cancer mixed with ebola.

This is some spinning. 

What is the second and third tier in the SEC?

Power conferences
ACC
Big East
Big 12
B1G
SEC
Pac 12

Multi Bid
AAC
A10

WCC sometimes

Sure, compared to the Sun Belt or CUSA, the SEC looks pretty good. 

[ErieHog]

This is some spinning. 

What is the second and third tier in the SEC?

Power conferences
ACC
Big East
Big 12
B1G
SEC
Pac 12

Multi Bid
AAC
A10

WCC sometimes

Sure, compared to the Sun Belt or CUSA, the SEC looks pretty good. 

Florida, Arkansas, and probably TAMU or South Carolina make up that second tier;   Auburn, Alabama, LSU, and a few others make up the 3rd.

And the SEC is, depending on your preferred bracketology, looking to get as many teams in as the PAC 12 or more;   no, its not the ACC or the Big 10--- those are hands down the absolute best conferences--  but it isn't bad.

Mid Major conferences have sometimes been better than major conferences for years.

I wish our fan base would get its head out of the idea that it is 1995, and the name on the jersey dictates who is good, and what teams are good.

[Atlhogfan1]

Florida, Arkansas, and probably TAMU or South Carolina make up that second tier;   Auburn, Alabama, LSU, and a few others make up the 3rd.

And the SEC is, depending on your preferred bracketology, looking to get as many teams in as the PAC 12 or more;   no, its not the ACC or the Big 10--- those are hands down the absolute best conferences--  but it isn't bad.

Mid Major conferences have sometimes been better than major conferences for years.

I wish our fan base would get its head out of the idea that it is 1995, and the name on the jersey dictates who is good, and what teams are good.

You are putting Florida in with the Hogs whom they handled in BWA, A&M and their 66 turnovers in 3 SEC games and SC?

Yep, we look to be on par with the Pac 12.  One of the SEC's issues is having 14 members AND so many of them are mediocre to bad relative to other power conferences.  A good team can run up a win total in this conf just beating the bottom 8-10 teams.  The ACC and B1G have the number of teams but are deeper in good teams.  The Big 12 and Big East benefit from being smaller conferences and thus less dead weight and "easy" wins for its upper tier teams.  Less opportunity to have off nights and more of a chance to be exposed in the ACC, B1G, Big 12 and Big East than what the SEC will do.   

Mid major conferences have had some good teams.  With the new Big East taking teams like Creighton and Butler out of those mid majors, the mid majors aren't what they were. 

We aren't in 1995.  We can see where the SEC fits in the big picture and what it is. 

Parity has not just happened. You can go back to the 90s, 80s and list the mid and low major conference teams who have risen up. It isn't some new phenomena. 

I find the view of some of our fans just the opposite in some cases.  For example, you will find comments leading into the season about what SFA and Austin Peay have done recently pitching them as strong non conf opp for this season as if they were going to be the same teams as their recent ones.