Michigan game

[Dominicanhog]

Thought we were close to a make up game... did I miss the announcement/

[hoggusamoungus]

Thought we were close to a make up game... did I miss the announcement/

ASU at WMS. 

[count of bacon]

who's A.S.U.?

[(notOM)Rebel123]

ASU at WMS RRS

FIFY

[factchecker]

who's A.S.U.?

Arizona State? replay of the 1985 Holiday bowl

Maybe, Alcorn State, the best non-P5 ASU west of Tupelo.

Whoever the oponent is it's not going to played in WMS.  Game will be played in Kansas City at Arrowhead.

or maybe Iowa Hawkeyes in Arrowhead.

[PonderinHog]

Appalachia State.  What could possibly go wrong

[prattville pig]

Where is WMS?

[NuttinItUp]

Hey, Michigan paid us $2 million to back out of the deal.

We could put that money towards....something.

[Torqued pork]

Let's play FAU. At least we could say we beat a Saban disciple. Consider it a part of Bret's rehab.

[rhames]

Let's play FAU. At least we could say we beat a Saban disciple. Consider it a part of Bret's rehab.

Didn't we beat Florida this year?

[hoggusamoungus]

Where is WMS?

West Memphis.

[Pig Worshipper]

Hey, Michigan paid us $2 million to back out of the deal.

We could put that money towards....something.

Not unless they back out of about 7 such games.

[Sir Oinksalot]

send him home

[CrookedSquealliry]

Arkansas State would beat us.

[fieldturf]

Hey, Michigan paid us $2 million to back out of the deal.

We could put that money towards....something.

I think Jeff gave Britt an extension and probably Robb Smith got some on the way out the door!

[SDZ_Hog]

Hey, Michigan paid us $2 million to back out of the deal.

We could put that money towards....something.

Summer camps?

[NuttinItUp]

Not unless they back out of about 7 such games.

7? Why would they need to back out of 7? That doesn't make any sense.

The contract was for a home-and-home and Michigan backed out to play the Irish. They owe us $2 million. Unless the media reports from when it happened were all incorrect. (possible)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2016/07/07/michigan-breaks-arkansas-deal-for-2-million-to-play-irish/86808442/

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/michigan-cancels-game-arkansas-renew-rivalry-notre-dame-bret-bielema-jeff-long-comments-070716

As well as about a hundred more from earlier in the year when it happened..

[12247]

Mr. Long, being the Art of the Deal, tycoon that he is, has likely already spent that 2 mil on some worthy endeavor.

[hoggusamoungus]

7? Why would they need to back out of 7? That doesn't make any sense.

The contract was for a home-and-home and Michigan backed out to play the Irish. They owe us $2 million. Unless the media reports from when it happened were all incorrect. (possible)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/2016/07/07/michigan-breaks-arkansas-deal-for-2-million-to-play-irish/86808442/

http://www.foxsports.com/college-football/story/michigan-cancels-game-arkansas-renew-rivalry-notre-dame-bret-bielema-jeff-long-comments-070716

As well as about a hundred more from earlier in the year when it happened..

That's a shot at BB's buyout agreement.

[ricepig]

Mr. Long, being the Art of the Deal, tycoon that he is, has likely already spent that 2 mil on some worthy endeavor.

NEZ

[ur]

Will Long go for a waiver and take a lesser team or is something big in the works? Which teams have openings for 2018 and 19?

[(notOM)Rebel123]

Arkansas State would beat us.

No they wouldn't. It would be a good game. But, no.

[ricepig]

Will Long go for a waiver and take a lesser team or is something big in the works? Which teams have openings for 2018 and 19?

Bielema said about two months ago that we we would know in a month.......I guess he is talking in HV "coaching search" days, those are 3X your expectations.

[NuttinItUp]

Will Long go for a waiver and take a lesser team or is something big in the works? Which teams have openings for 2018 and 19?

According to the SEC Country article from 6 months ago when it happened:

"No Power 5 school without a major program already on the schedule currently has a non-conference opening in both years. Only Oregon and Texas Tech in '18 and Baylor, Kansas, and Minnesota in '19 have such an opening."

Also, the SEC could get us a waiver to play non-Power 5 schools. Michigan kind of screwed us bad on the whole deal. I can see why everyone was pissed about it.

[ur]

According to the SEC Country article from 6 months ago when it happened:

"No Power 5 school without a major program already on the schedule currently has a non-conference opening in both years. Only Oregon and Texas Tech in '18 and Baylor, Kansas, and Minnesota in '19 have such an opening."

Also, the SEC could get us a waiver to play non-Power 5 schools. Michigan kind of screwed us bad on the whole deal. I can see why everyone was pissed about it.

Thanks. Minn schedule is full for 18 and 19 but not p5 schools. If they want a p5 opponent then that would be the easiest option. Not sure what the buyouts for two of their games would be.

2018
08/30 - New Mexico State
09/08 - Fresno State
09/15 - Miami (OH)

2019
08/29 - South Dakota State
09/14 - Georgia Southern
09/07 - at Fresno State

[NuttinItUp]

Thanks. Minn schedule is full for 18 and 19 but not p5 schools. If they want a p5 opponent then that would be the easiest option. Not sure what the buyouts for two of their games would be.

True. Also, it wouldn't necessarily need to be the same team both years. You could (for instance) do a home-and-home with Oregon for '18 and '20 (assuming they still had an opening) and do a home-and-home with Kansas for '19 and '21. That is just an example; and the SEC commissioner also said this (from the same SEC Country article):

The good news for Arkansas came from SEC Commissioner Greg Sankey, who wrote in an email the Razorbacks could find a way out of the conference's yearly scheduling requirement considering the circumstances.

"Given that an executed contract has been in place and considering the lateness of this cancellation, we will certainly work with Arkansas on this issue as it relates to the SEC's non-conference scheduling requirement," Sankey wrote. "Institutions are permitted to seek a waiver from the conference office when extenuating circumstances exist."

The easiest thing to do might just be pocket the $2 million, schedule a Group-of-5 school for the 2 years with the SEC waiver, and get the guaranteed wins and extra money that comes from home games with lesser opponents.

Who knows, though. We could also do a one time neutral-site game in Atlanta or Houston or somewhere with a big opponent.

[BR]

Arkansas State would beat us.

They have to learn to beat UCA first..

[ur]

He will prob go with the waiver to save money and get BB two winable games. BB needs all the wins he can get right now.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

True. Also, it wouldn't necessarily need to be the same team both years. You could (for instance) do a home-and-home with Oregon for '18 and '20 (assuming they still had an opening) and do a home-and-home with Kansas for '19 and '21. That is just an example; and the SEC commissioner also said this (from the same SEC Country article):


The easiest thing to do might just be pocket the $2 million, schedule a Group-of-5 school for the 2 years with the SEC waiver, and get the guaranteed wins and extra money that comes from home games with lesser opponents.

Who knows, though. We could also do a one time neutral-site game in Atlanta or Houston or somewhere with a big opponent.

We might get the SEC waiver, but if we have to schedule two G-5 schools as a result of this cancellation and should we win 10 regular season games in either of those two seasons, would we be punished for it having been with more G-5 schools on the schedule and land a lesser bowl than we might have with a win or a close game with Michigan in either of those years? It's just a "what if".

[NuttinItUp]

We might get the SEC waiver, but if we have to schedule two G-5 schools as a result of this cancellation and should we win 10 regular season games in either of those two seasons, would we be punished for it having been with more G-5 schools on the schedule and land a lesser bowl than we might have with a win or a close game with Michigan in either of those years? It's just a "what if".

Possibly, but we still have an SEC-west schedule, so our SOS should be fine. Also, we could always play the victim card since it really wasn't our fault that Michigan bailed on us with so little time to reschedule. Who knows though..

[Philibuster]

Even with Michigan backing out of the agreement, Long must get a decent OOC schedule for Arkansas and now.  Fan apathy over the Northeastern SW LA Tech and School of Mines type of OOC opponents is growing.

2017
Florida A&M
TCU
New Mexico St
Coastal Carolina

2018
North Texas

2019
Portland State
Colorado State

With the exception of the TCU game, that is a horrible slate of games.

Do you really expect better from the person running the athletic dept.?

[NuttinItUp]

Even with Michigan backing out of the agreement, Long must get a decent OOC schedule for Arkansas and now.  Fan apathy over the Northeastern SW LA Tech and School of Mines type of OOC opponents is growing.

2017
Florida A&M
TCU
New Mexico St
Coastal Carolina

2018
North Texas

2019
Portland State
Colorado State

With the exception of the TCU game, that is a horrible slate of games.

To be fair, one Power-5 non conference game per year is pretty standard now amongst all P5 schools. Had Michigan been in that 18 and 19 slot, it would have looked a lot better. Obviously, they are trying to reschedule those now, which is what we are discussing.

[ur]

I will be shocked and happy if we are in a situation where our strength of schedule will matter. It only matters with the final four. I agree with Seven in that fan apathy with the schedule is more of a problem. 

[tusksincolorado]

I think Jeff gave Britt an extension and probably Robb Smith got some on the way out the door!

Britt.... really....

[tusksincolorado]

They have to learn to beat UCA first..

They haven't done that yet!....what's the holdup???

[NuttinItUp]

I agree that had Michigan stayed on the OOC schedule, it would have been a very positive step forward for Arkansas.  But that did not come to pass, and it was clearly Michigan's fault since they opted out. 

Can't fault Long for not trying to get a better opponent, but now (through no fault of his own) he needs another opponent.  No reason he can't make that happen though.

Actually there are plenty of reasons why he might not be able to make that happen. Lack of available opponents at this late of a stage being the biggest reason.

[ricepig]

I agree that had Michigan stayed on the OOC schedule, it would have been a very positive step forward for Arkansas.  But that did not come to pass, and it was clearly Michigan's fault since they opted out. 

Can't fault Long for not trying to get a better opponent, but now (through no fault of his own) he needs another opponent.  No reason he can't make that happen though. 

No reason, you mean like finding a willing partner?

[jjdlc]

Actually there are plenty of reasons why he might not be able to make that happen. Lack of available opponents at this late of a stage being the biggest reason.

This, there was a reason Michigan was originally scheduled so far in advance.

[island hog]

I think some of the money could be used for free psychiatric care for Hogvillians. There are many on here who could use it. 

[Porked Tongue]

Use the money to buy out the Pepsi contract.

[Redhogs]

Thought we were close to a make up game... did I miss the announcement/

Everybody scare of B ert.

[Pigsknuckles]

Appalachia State.  What could possibly go wrong

Well played Ponderin. Given our current condition, the Michigan cancellation might have prevented further damaging embarrassment.

[ricepig]

Armed with the $2 million from Michigan, approach schools and offer to cover the payoff to their creampuff in exchange for a home and home in '18 and '19. 

It can be done, but it means putting the program and the fans interest before money concerns.   

It's been approached, so far the others prefer their cream puffs.

[ricepig]

Since you seem to be in the know, why don't you list all of the teams that have been approached?

That's proprietary info, sorry.

[RazorPiggie]

Schedule another cupcake for all I care. Not reason to try to schedule the big boys. We already play plenty of them.

[factchecker]

How's that been working out for Arkansas by the way? 

See the crowds?  Feel the interest over New Mexico State? 

I can't tell you the interest levels for games to be played in 2018.

I can show you the increased attendance for 3 straight seasons.  I can show you the sell out for lowly Texas State.

https://twitter.com/wholehogsports/status/809907248105406464

I would love nothing more than to schedule a heavy hitter.  Notre Dame, Michigan, Texas someone that is a household name.  Fans think you can call up a team and get it done quick.  It isn't that easy.  There is going to be some wheeling and dealing to get a top notch opponent.  I wouldn't be surprised to see us play a neutral site game in order to facilitate the process. Get rid of WMS and play a game vs. Iowa in Arrowhead or Illinois in Chicago.

[ricepig]

Yep, none.

Ask the athletic department, and see if that's not the answer you get.

[ricepig]

How's that been working out for Arkansas by the way? 

See the crowds?  Feel the interest over New Mexico State? 

Working great, 103% attendance last year at RRS.

[fieldturf]

Britt.... really....

Well year before last I believe he got an extension.

[TNRazorbacker]

Mississippi state didnt play a P5 outside the SEC this year. How'd they get away with that?