New DC

[hogcam]

Our secondary play was just as awful under rhodes as it was before. I think mizzou's wide receivers just burned our secondary again for another bomb. He may be better than smith, but i doubt the problems get fixed next year

You can't please everyone.  Our secondary play was better this year.  We were pressing Missouri's receivers and they were just beating them on go routes.  It had nothing to do with coaching unless you would rather our Dbacks play 7 yards off.  Then you would whine about them getting beat short.  Our corners were better this year.  We have no talent at safety and need to improve in that area.

[TNhawgfan]

When you consider how little pass rush we got on the QB, the secondary actually played pretty decent this year. Ryan Pulley was a breakout player.

The pass defense went from 266 yards per game to 226 yards per game under Rhodes.

I agree the pass rush was awful. The only reason the pass yards allowed per game went down was because lsu, bama, and auburn didn't have to throw to win. Mississippi state, vt, mizzou, and other teams showed when teams had to throw because of time, score, etc. our secondary was like swiss cheese

[TNhawgfan]

You can't please everyone.  Our secondary play was better this year.  We were pressing Missouri's receivers and they were just beating them on go routes.  It had nothing to do with coaching unless you would rather our Dbacks play 7 yards off.  Then you would whine about them getting beat short.  Our corners were better this year.  We have no talent at safety and need to improve in that area.

So you're saying if we play seven yards off we get beat short, and if we play tight we get beat deep? Sounds like a great coach.

[hogcam]

So you're saying if we play seven yards off we get beat short, and if we play tight we get beat deep? Sounds like a great coach.

I am saying there is not a lot of talent in the secondary and we need to improve our recruiting in the secondary tremendously and add a lot more speed.

[hogcam]

Go look at defensive back recruiting in 2013, 2014, and 2015 and you will see what I am talking about.  It is pathetic.  For some reason, that is our biggest weakness in recruiting.

[TNhawgfan]

I am saying there is not a lot of talent in the secondary and we need to improve our recruiting in the secondary tremendously and add a lot more speed.

Well that's something i can definitely agree with, and also the reason i said don't expect rhodes to fix the problems next year

[Pork Twain]

some of us have been behind CBB and still don't like this idea. We need coaches on the Level of Bama . Rhoads history says he isn't on that level. If you can't out recruit them , then you better out coach them. by the numbers several of Rhoads defenses were worse than what we had this year. And that wasn't against the SEC . His defenses have been in the 70's before

Come on the suspense is killing me.  Which coach are you wanting to hire that can field as good or better defense than Bama, with less talent? 

[bennyl08]

There is most definitely a difference in 4 years of DI data vs 9 years + being the most successful Iowa State coach

Being a HC has little bearing on his ability to be a DC. Might as well say that he has 8 years as one of the best heart surgeons in the country, we should hire him as an electrical engineer. The two are a little bit related, if he is an expert in the heart, he has to have a little understanding of electricity.

Otherwise, given that Rhoads actually has a history as a DC, I'm going to judge his merits as a DC based on when he actually was a DC, not when he was a marvel.

[bennyl08]

Well that and the fact that Rhoades was a pretty darned good DC for almost a decade before getting a HC gig.

His record is almost identical to Robb Smith's, just with more years. In fact, on average, his record is slightly worse.

[tophawg19]

How have those "high level" coaches at done since they left Bama? Muschamp couldn't win at Florida, Smart? jury is still out.  McElwain is still not up to Florida standards.  Derek Dooley?  Talent doesn't make you a better coach.   

uh we aren't hiring them to be a head coach . big difference . By bama level, that means a top 10 quality guy. put the money on the line for proven coaches . you don't see Lsu , bama , and Auburn reaching for hopefuls

[Pork Twain]

uh we aren't hiring them to be a head coach . big difference . By bama level, that means a top 10 quality guy. put the money on the line for proven coaches . you don't see Lsu , bama , and Auburn reaching for hopefuls

Names?

[Hogwild]

some of us have been behind CBB and still don't like this idea. We need coaches on the Level of Bama . Rhoads history says he isn't on that level. If you can't out recruit them , then you better out coach them. by the numbers several of Rhoads defenses were worse than what we had this year. And that wasn't against the SEC . His defenses have been in the 70's before

While Rhoads wouldn't be my top choice, he is an upgrade. He knows his Xs & Os, not sure how well he recruits.  If we are able to get him some talent, the defense will improve.

[tophawg19]

Come on the suspense is killing me.  Which coach are you wanting to hire that can field as good or better defense than Bama, with less talent? 

you saw one last night in Brent Venables . but we can't hire those guys because we don't pay enough . One young one i think is about to blow up is Arkansas State's D/c and their D/L coach too. He brings a high intensity , aggressive defense . They play fast, hit hard and play as a team. i really feel like both of them have a bright future . but you can't hope to compete with the top teams without top D/C's .

[Nosboar Accubond]

you saw one last night in Brent Venables . but we can't hire those guys because we don't pay enough . One young one i think is about to blow up is Arkansas State's D/c and their D/L coach too. He brings a high intensity , aggressive defense . They play fast, hit hard and play as a team. i really feel like both of them have a bright future . but you can't hope to compete with the top teams without top D/C's .

I think CBB make his DC play more conservatively than they want to...

[forrest city joe]

I agree the pass rush was awful. The only reason the pass yards allowed per game went down was because lsu, bama, and auburn didn't have to throw to win. Mississippi state, vt, mizzou, and other teams showed when teams had to throw because of time, score, etc. our secondary was like swiss cheese

YEP!

[Atlhogfan1]

you saw one last night in Brent Venables . but we can't hire those guys because we don't pay enough . One young one i think is about to blow up is Arkansas State's D/c and their D/L coach too. He brings a high intensity , aggressive defense . They play fast, hit hard and play as a team. i really feel like both of them have a bright future . but you can't hope to compete with the top teams without top D/C's .

DC at Arkansas isn't a good career move for those with promising careers. 

[ricepig]

I agree the pass rush was awful. The only reason the pass yards allowed per game went down was because lsu, bama, and auburn didn't have to throw to win. Mississippi state, vt, mizzou, and other teams showed when teams had to throw because of time, score, etc. our secondary was like swiss cheese

Was all of that on the secondary, or can some of it be put on the DL and LB's?

[tophawg19]

Justin wilcox at wisconsin would be one to look at .

[King Kong]

I agree the pass rush was awful. The only reason the pass yards allowed per game went down was because lsu, bama, and auburn didn't have to throw to win. Mississippi state, vt, mizzou, and other teams showed when teams had to throw because of time, score, etc. our secondary was like swiss cheese

We actually held Va Tech and Mizz below their averages in passing yards. We were very good against Ole Piss which had the best QB in the SEC before injury and had his way with us the year before.

The improvement there happened.

[King Kong]

Being a HC has little bearing on his ability to be a DC. Might as well say that he has 8 years as one of the best heart surgeons in the country, we should hire him as an electrical engineer. The two are a little bit related, if he is an expert in the heart, he has to have a little understanding of electricity.

Otherwise, given that Rhoads actually has a history as a DC, I'm going to judge his merits as a DC based on when he actually was a DC, not when he was a marvel.

Cool story

[tophawg19]

I think CBB make his DC play more conservatively than they want to...

if it's really true then he will never hire a top coach at any position .i find it hard to believe Enos or Rhoads would agree to that .

[grayhawg]

All the plays in the read option with a mobile quarterback was evidently something Robb Smith could not effectively scheme for.

[Pork Twain]

you saw one last night in Brent Venables . but we can't hire those guys because we don't pay enough . One young one i think is about to blow up is Arkansas State's D/c and their D/L coach too. He brings a high intensity , aggressive defense . They play fast, hit hard and play as a team. i really feel like both of them have a bright future . but you can't hope to compete with the top teams without top D/C's .

can we keep it realistic?  There is no reason for a coach to leave a school with everything better than we can offer to come here and try to throw together a defense with our recruiting base.

I could go for the ASU guys, but their sunbelt success might not directly translate to the SEC.  nothing is a sure thing

[Pork Twain]

I think CBB make his DC play more conservatively than they want to...

what makes you think that?

[Paul]

Just so everyone is clear.

This is Paul Rhodes (English Actor)


This is Paul Rhoads (American Football Coach)

which defense does Rhodes prefer?

[PonderinHog]

  which defense does Rhodes prefer?

Naval

[Inhogswetrust]

If this is how it shakes out, Bret's done.

If you were Jeff Long I'd believe you.....but you're not so I don't. The way you post on here you only wish you had Jeff's job. you and a lot more on here think you know all there is to running multimillion dollar athletic department but none of us really have a clue as to what all it take and entails. Especially those that always complain all the time no matter what.

[tophawg19]

can we keep it realistic?  There is no reason for a coach to leave a school with everything better than we can offer to come here and try to throw together a defense with our recruiting base.

I could go for the ASU guys, but their sunbelt success might not directly translate to the SEC.  nothing is a sure thing

money and security . if you produce a good defense at Arkansas , you can stay as long as you like . A coach like Smart or Chavis can recruit to Arkansas on name alone

[sickboy]

What is wrong with Paul Rhodes?

Only 49 years old.
DC at Pitt and Auburn from 2000-2008.
7 years of head coaching experience in the Big 12 at Iowa State.
Likes to run a 3-4 base.

I'm failing to see why his promotion wouldn't be a good move.

It would be a smart move.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

It would be a smart move.

It wouldn't be shocking.

[Pork Twain]

money and security . if you produce a good defense at Arkansas , you can stay as long as you like . A coach like Smart or Chavis can recruit to Arkansas on name alone

That money and security exists where they are already. 

As far as recruiting to Arkansas on name alone, that is easy to say, impossible to prove.

[NotSoFastMyFriend]

It would be a smart move.

If I'm not mistaken, Linguist, the safeties coach - who has the all-important state of Texas ties - from Miss. State, worked with Rhoads at Iowa State.