NIT?

[HawgLife4Eva]

Since the NCAA tournament seems to be out of reach this season--How many more do we have to win to have a chance to get to the NIT?

[hobhog]

Who cares? Seriously.

[rude1]

We are 9-10, no reason to have that discussion either. Season can't get over soon enough to suit me.

[HawgAdvocate]

Since the NCAA tournament seems to be out of reach this season--How many more do we have to win to have a chance to get to the NIT?

The Hogs would need to go 11-1 over the remaining 12 regular season games to get to 20 wins. Really, the NIT train left the station when we lost to Mercer and Dayton. Now it's win the SEC Tourney and Dance, or stay home.

[ErieHog]

Probably 17;  it is a little far fetched.

[WilsonHog]

Who cares? Seriously.

Many. Our players, coaches, admin, and the majority of fans.

Seriously.

[mjsphd]

Since the NCAA tournament seems to be out of reach this season--How many more do we have to win to have a chance to get to the NIT?

An over .500 record and an RPI in the 80's (or better) would but a P5 school in the running for an at-large bid. A lot would then depend on the amount of upsets in midmajor to low major conference tournaments since the NIT now gives automatic bids to conference winners who get upset in their tourney and don't make the NCAA as an at-large.

[3kgthog]

Even 20 wins doesn't guarantee you an NIT spot anymore. Our season is all over except for the arguing.

[rude1]

Even 20 wins doesn't guarantee you an NIT spot anymore. Our season is all over except for the arguing.

Everyone still seems stuck on the 20 wins standard. When it was relevant was when teams didn't play nearly as many games, it no longer applies as a standard for post season play. Teams now can have played 35 games before post season begins, winning 20 is no longer that impressive.

[Sed76]

Can you imagine the horror that would go on if Arkansas got a NIT invite to come to Little Rock and play UALR. Would they turn it down instead of risking that?

[HawgLife4Eva]

Can you imagine the horror that would go on if Arkansas got a NIT invite to come to Little Rock and play UALR. Would they turn it down instead of risking that?

UALR might be going to the NCAAs.

However, if it did happen, I think they would go and play.

When was the last time they played? I know they played several years ago in the NCAA tournament.

[HawgAdvocate]

Can you imagine the horror that would go on if Arkansas got a NIT invite to come to Little Rock and play UALR. Would they turn it down instead of risking that?

We turned down the NIT one year when Heath was here, when the threat of playing UALR then was very real. I bet we'd turn it down again.

[MountieDawg]

Everyone still seems stuck on the 20 wins standard. When it was relevant was when teams didn't play nearly as many games, it no longer applies as a standard for post season play. Teams now can have played 35 games before post season begins, winning 20 is no longer that impressive.

This is so true.... 15 years ago 20 wins gets you to the tourney... Today 20 wins means you have 11 or 12 losses...

[HawgLife4Eva]

This is so true.... 15 years ago 20 wins gets you to the tourney... Today 20 wins means you have 11 or 12 losses...

Talking NIT here, though, not NCAA. 20 might get you close.

[Danny J]

I can't believe people actually believe we might still have some sort of outside chance at the NCAA tournament. I don't see any way we will even make the NIT tournament much less the NCAA tournament and  to make matters worse we may not even finish with a .500 record

[NuttinItUp]

This is so true.... 15 years ago 20 wins gets you to the tourney... Today 20 wins means you have 11 or 12 losses...

Not saying you are wrong, but several teams got at-large bids with 20 wins last year. Heck, Oklahoma State got an at-large bid with 18 wins.

[mhuff]

Clark, are you serious?

[HawgLife4Eva]

I can't believe people actually believe we might still have some sort of outside chance at the NCAA tournament. I don't see any way we will even make the NIT tournament much less the NCAA tournament and  to make matters worse we may not even finish with a .500 record

Who said we have a chance at the NCAA? 

This is completely about the NIT.

[NuttinItUp]

Ok, lets look at this realistically.

Assuming this is how the rest of our schedule goes:

Wed, Jan 27 vs #10 Texas A&M   L
Sat, Jan 30 vs Texas Tech   W
Wed, Feb 3 @ Florida   L
Sat, Feb 6 vs Tennessee   W
Tue, Feb 9 @ Mississippi State   W
Sat, Feb 13 @ Ole Miss   W
Wed, Feb 17 vs Auburn   W
Sat, Feb 20 vs Missouri   W
Tue, Feb 23 vs LSU   L
Sat, Feb 27 @ Tennessee   W
Wed, Mar 2 @ Alabama   W
Sat, Mar 5 vs #24 South Carolina   L


That would put us at 17-14 going into the SEC tournament.

Win 2 in the SEC tournament and get to 19 wins, and you have a borderline-outside chance at getting to the NIT.

A better chance would be to upset A&M, LSU, Florida, or South Carolina, but I don't see that happening.

[majp51]

Ok, lets look at this realistically.

Assuming this is how the rest of our schedule goes:

Wed, Jan 27 vs #10 Texas A&M   L
Sat, Jan 30 vs Texas Tech   W
Wed, Feb 3 @ Florida   L
Sat, Feb 6 vs Tennessee   W
Tue, Feb 9 @ Mississippi State   W
Sat, Feb 13 @ Ole Miss   W
Wed, Feb 17 vs Auburn   W
Sat, Feb 20 vs Missouri   W
Tue, Feb 23 vs LSU   L
Sat, Feb 27 @ Tennessee   W
Wed, Mar 2 @ Alabama   W
Sat, Mar 5 vs #24 South Carolina   L


That would put us at 17-14 going into the SEC tournament.

Win 2 in the SEC tournament and get to 19 wins, and you have a borderline-outside chance at getting to the NIT.

A better chance would be to upset A&M, LSU, Florida, or South Carolina, but I don't see that happening.

Well and you are being awfully optimistic with the @Ole Miss and @ MSU. Aways games are not kind to the CMA program.

[NuttinItUp]

Well and you are being awfully optimistic with the @Ole Miss and @ MSU. Aways games are not kind to the CMA program.

True. I mean, if I was being optimistic, I could have said we have a chance to beat A&M, LSU, and South Carolina in home games.

Or, if I was being pessimistic, I could have said we have the chance to lose almost every game left on the schedule.

I tried to choose the most realistic, middle of the road prediction, just for the sake of argument of getting to the NIT.

[Karma]

UALR might be going to the NCAAs.

However, if it did happen, I think they would go and play.

When was the last time they played? I know they played several years ago in the NCAA tournament.

Arkansas has never played UALR.

[Mr. Porkleone]

Ok, lets look at this realistically.

Assuming this is how the rest of our schedule goes:

Wed, Jan 27 vs #10 Texas A&M   L
Sat, Jan 30 vs Texas Tech   W
Wed, Feb 3 @ Florida   L
Sat, Feb 6 vs Tennessee   W
Tue, Feb 9 @ Mississippi State   W
Sat, Feb 13 @ Ole Miss   W
Wed, Feb 17 vs Auburn   W
Sat, Feb 20 vs Missouri   W
Tue, Feb 23 vs LSU   L
Sat, Feb 27 @ Tennessee   W
Wed, Mar 2 @ Alabama   W
Sat, Mar 5 vs #24 South Carolina   L


That would put us at 17-14 going into the SEC tournament.

Win 2 in the SEC tournament and get to 19 wins, and you have a borderline-outside chance at getting to the NIT.

A better chance would be to upset A&M, LSU, Florida, or South Carolina, but I don't see that happening.

Seriously dude. Back up from the edge of cliff

[Mr. Porkleone]

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[HawgLife4Eva]

Arkansas has never played UALR.

I think maybe it was Arkansas State?

[NuttinItUp]

Seriously dude. Back up from the edge of cliff

What cliff?  If you think we have a chance against the teams I marked as L, that is fine and you can name the ones you think I got wrong. However, I wasn't approaching any sort of cliff for the destruction of the team.

[rzrbk4life]

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[MountieDawg]

Played ASU in Nolans 1st year n the NIT in Barnhill.

[daprospecta]

We are much better better than our record. Ken Pom currently has us the 57th best team in the country.  Our record doesn't show it but we are an above average team that can play.

[tophawg19]

right now the NIT is more like NOT

[hawginbigd1]

Ok, lets look at this realistically.

Assuming this is how the rest of our schedule goes:

Wed, Jan 27 vs #10 Texas A&M   L
Sat, Jan 30 vs Texas Tech   W
Wed, Feb 3 @ Florida   L
Sat, Feb 6 vs Tennessee   W
Tue, Feb 9 @ Mississippi State   W
Sat, Feb 13 @ Ole Miss   W
Wed, Feb 17 vs Auburn   W
Sat, Feb 20 vs Missouri   W
Tue, Feb 23 vs LSU   L
Sat, Feb 27 @ Tennessee   W
Wed, Mar 2 @ Alabama   W
Sat, Mar 5 vs #24 South Carolina   L


That would put us at 17-14 going into the SEC tournament.

Win 2 in the SEC tournament and get to 19 wins, and you have a borderline-outside chance at getting to the NIT.

A better chance would be to upset A&M, LSU, Florida, or South Carolina, but I don't see that happening.

To get to that point we would be in the NIT!

RPI in the 60s, 13-7 in last 20 against all top 120 teams, that would be a no brainier!

[urkillnmesmalls]

I think the NIT invites will also be affected by the SEC's perception overall, which is not good.  We'll see just how bad it is in the upcoming SEC - Big 12 challenge. 

We stink.  We stink in a conference that stinks.  When the dust settles, I won't be surprised at all if the SEC only gets 2 teams in, and maybe 3.  That would leave them taking maybe 2 for the NIT.  Who would we beat out?   

[NuttinItUp]

I think the NIT invites will also be affected by the SEC's perception overall, which is not good.  We'll see just how bad it is in the upcoming SEC - Big 12 challenge. 

We stink.  We stink in a conference that stinks.  When the dust settles, I won't be surprised at all if the SEC only gets 2 teams in, and maybe 3.  That would leave them taking maybe 2 for the NIT.  Who would we beat out?   

As of this minute, from the SEC: A&M, Kentucky, South Carolina, and Florida would most likely be in the Big Dance. (Florida hanging by a thread though.)

Vandy, Bama, LSU, Ole Miss, Georgia would all be in the mix for NIT invites. (Vandy as the strongest out of these; likely only 2-4 of these would go....all this could change by the time they play again, obviously)

We would definitely need to go on a bit of a run to claw our way up the ranks a little bit. I don't think anyone is saying otherwise. It won't be a cakewalk or anything.

[moses_007]

Even 20 wins doesn't guarantee you an NIT spot anymore. Our season is all over except for the arguing.

This.  This club doesn't have good enough shooters to be considered for any tournament.  The only we would make it would be to win the SEC Tournament, and that is highly highly unlikely.

[ErieHog]

This.  This club doesn't have good enough shooters to be considered for any tournament.  The only we would make it would be to win the SEC Tournament, and that is highly highly unlikely.

This team has many shortcomings, but shooting isn't one of them.

[Wild Bill Hog]

Many. Our players, coaches, admin, and the majority of fans.

Seriously.

I'm not sure the majority of the fans care all that much.

[PonderinHog]

This team has many shortcomings, but shooting isn't one of them.

Then it must be the 70+ percent free throw shooting...turrible.

[hog golf]

NIT looks at attendance for home games too. I think they get a cut of the take so they would lean towards inviting a school that puts people in the stands when all things are considered. that does not bode well for Hogs this year. from what I see, they are throwing away a lot of popcorn after the home games.

[jared72404]

I'm not sure the majority of the fans care all that much.

Who cares? Seriously.

Ya'll may not care, but Razorback fans do.

[wheelspigharvey]

NIT looks at attendance for home games too. I think they get a cut of the take so they would lean towards inviting a school that puts people in the stands when all things are considered. that does not bode well for Hogs this year. from what I see, they are throwing away a lot of popcorn after the home games.

Leftover popcorn you say?

[ke2743]

I would like this team to make it to the NIT just to get a few more games underneath them.  Honestly though, how much does making the NIT help recruiting wise?  I wouldn't think much at all.   

[Atlhogfan1]

From a bettor's site:
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/team/arkansas-razorbacks/projections

Easiest Remaining Games

Win Odds

2/20  Missouri Home  87.8%
2/17  Auburn Home  84.5%
2/6  Tennessee Home  72.8%
1/30  Texas Tech Home  68.0%
2/23  LSU Home  66.5%
3/5  S Carolina Home  63.9%
2/13  Mississippi Away  52.6%
2/9  Miss State Away  52.4%
3/2  Alabama Away  50.6%
2/27  Tennessee Away  43.9%


I tend to agree with this as in the Hogs will have a good chance to do well at home.  Win 8 of these 10 or upset A&M at home and it would be 17 wins before the SECT.  TT would be nice RPI win. 

Toughest Remaining Games

Win Odds

2/3  Florida Away  19.9%
1/27  Texas A&M Home  38.9%

[chiefsfan]

NIT looks at attendance for home games too. I think they get a cut of the take so they would lean towards inviting a school that puts people in the stands when all things are considered. that does not bode well for Hogs this year. from what I see, they are throwing away a lot of popcorn after the home games.

That was the old version of the NIT.  The NIT is now run by the NCAA.  Conference Regular Season champs who fail to win their league tournaments earn automatic bids, and the first four out of the NCAA Tournament earn #1 seeds and get to host all the way to NY.  Hosting is now done by higher seed, regardless of attendance situation.  Only exception is arena availability. 

[MountieDawg]

This team has many shortcomings, but shooting isn't one of them.

Maybe he meant OPEN SHOOTERS!!!    Shooters it has, scorers it doesn't.... Dusty is the best of both...

[Razorod]

From a bettor's site:
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/team/arkansas-razorbacks/projections

Easiest Remaining Games

Win Odds

2/20  Missouri Home  87.8%
2/17  Auburn Home  84.5%
2/6  Tennessee Home  72.8%
1/30  Texas Tech Home  68.0%
2/23  LSU Home  66.5%
3/5  S Carolina Home  63.9%
2/13  Mississippi Away  52.6%
2/9  Miss State Away  52.4%
3/2  Alabama Away  50.6%
2/27  Tennessee Away  43.9%


I tend to agree with this as in the Hogs will have a good chance to do well at home.  Win 8 of these 10 or upset A&M at home and it would be 17 wins before the SECT.  TT would be nice RPI win. 

Toughest Remaining Games

Win Odds

2/3  Florida Away  19.9%
1/27  Texas A&M Home  38.9%

Hard part is that our two toughest games remaining are also two of our next three games. So, if everything goes to form, the Hogs will be 10-12 headed into the final stretch of nine games.

Good part, we have a shot at finishing something like 6-3. If the Hogs can win out at home after tonight and steal one more road game, that's about as a good a finish as we can hope for given this year's roster.

[nwahogfan1]

Who cares? Seriously.

I think you have the majority sentiment but to answer the question asked we need to win 10+ more games to have a chance.   Unless we really chance and start winning close games we might win 5 or 6 more games.   Because we have no go to guy in close games we will probable struggle winning games at the buzzer.

I have watched lots of games from all over the country and Arkansas BB is so average.  We have average players and a average coach.  What we do have are above average facilities and above average coaches salary especially for what we are getting in return.  If we were a Corporation our stock price would be at a 52 week low and our board of directors would be getting a new CEO.    But we will watch and wait, wait and wait because there is always next year.   

Way to go Coach Anderson.  You have made raised us up from the ashes and made us very average.  Now the BIG question is can you take us to the next level and keep us there?  I have no confidence from your track record but I guess the Board of Directors do and that is all that matters to keep you here at least another year.  I hope you sleep well at night spending your unearned pay checks.

[nwahogfan1]

Ya'll may not care, but Razorback fans do.

I want them to win tonight but I give them 30% chance.  Lots of things have to go our way to win.  We have to shoot close to 50% from behind the arc, win the rebounding and TO stats and not let their shooters get into a rhythm.   

But as far as fans go,  I will be watching tonight on my TV and the one thing I will look for is how many fans will be there.  Lets see how many of those true Arkansas Fans show up for the remaining home games.    I think most have given up for the year but maybe I am wrong. 

Maybe we will have 15,000+ smiling, screaming and faithful fans up there tonight.  Will you be there?

[urkillnmesmalls]

I want them to win tonight but I give them 30% chance.  Lots of things have to go our way to win.  We have to shoot close to 50% from behind the arc, win the rebounding and TO stats and not let their shooters get into a rhythm.   

But as far as fans go,  I will be watching tonight on my TV and the one thing I will look for is how many fans will be there.  Lets see how many of those true Arkansas Fans show up for the remaining home games.    I think most have given up for the year but maybe I am wrong. 

Maybe we will have 15,000+ smiling, screaming and faithful fans up there tonight.  Will you be there?

Let's play "what's wrong with this post?"  You only get one guess, so re-read this post and make it count. 

[FreshHog]

Let's play "what's wrong with this post?"  You only get one guess, so re-read this post and make it count.

2 things... Hes hoping 15k ppl... wont be that many.

2nd, he talks trash on the people not going to the game... right after he says he's watching on TV like that fake POS fan he doesnt think he is.

On that note, I get out of class at 3pm at UALR then I'm dashing my way up to fayetteville  ( if any of you are cops, please let me speed a bit so I can get there on time... god bless! ) to be a part of the likely less than 15k people there.

However I will be damn sure to be loud as I can for the jerk off thats watching on TV.

Woo Pig! Screw the haters.

[rzrbackramsfan]

All this being said.  I can't wait for tournament time!  I could actually see us winning it, but lets keep that thought on the DL.