OU to SEC Realignment Thread-Updated 7-26-15

[Cinco de Hogo]

But unless something else changes I don't see them being offered a package deal.

At some point don't you need another Vanderbilt, Kentucky or MSU just to have a team that will accept a losing record on a regular basis.

[Inhogswetrust]

At some point don't you need another Vanderbilt, Kentucky or MSU just to have a team that will accept a losing record on a regular basis.

Um. No. You need someone that will increase the conferences value. All the schools mentioned would increase the value but some would do so much more than others.

[Cinco de Hogo]

Um. No. You need someone that will increase the conferences value. All the schools mentioned would increase the value but some would do so much more than others.

I certainly don't agree with that.  Every conference I know has weaker members and most of the other conferences have added weaker members.  If you want to boil sports down to nothing more than another buck that your right.  I actually don't know if a conference full of Alabama's or "Texas" could survive. 

My opinion is you have to have weaker sisters and you need a certain number of them.  If we keep adding elite programs that puts a lot of pressure on Arkansas to stay even middle of the pack.

You can argue but our overall history in the SEC is on my side.

[NaturalStateReb]

I certainly don't agree with that.  Every conference I know has weaker members and most of the other conferences have added weaker members.  If you want to boil sports down to nothing more than another buck that your right.  I actually don't know if a conference full of Alabama's or "Texas" could survive. 

My opinion is you have to have weaker sisters and you need a certain number of them.  If we keep adding elite programs that puts a lot of pressure on Arkansas to stay even middle of the pack.

You can argue but our overall history in the SEC is on my side.

There's a difference between weak sisters and schools that have up and down cycles.  You don't want the former, but you do want the latter.

That's the problem with Big 12 expansion:  all that's left is the former.  It's akin to saying, "I think we can keep the Titanic floating if we stuff it full of garbage."

[Cinco de Hogo]

There's a difference between weak sisters and schools that have up and down cycles.  You don't want the former, but you do want the latter.

That's the problem with Big 12 expansion:  all that's left is the former.  It's akin to saying, "I think we can keep the Titanic floating if we stuff it full of garbage."

I guess it a matter of perception,  we may be a weak sister to a Bama fan, but you are right and maybe I misspoke.  Or maybe it a three tier with the elite, up and down and the weak sister.  There is a combination thereof that works and furthermore the only way it works.

How many SEC teams have won the conference vs ones who haven't...ever.

[the swinetime]

Having the Aggy's puts the SEC channel in homes across Texas, that's great but does no good if the west half of the state never watches it.  Adding Texas would change that and would increase our payout.  I would love to play the Whorns every year but only if they are just another memeber of the conference and play by the same rules. 

[Russ22]

Doesn't the addition of a new conference member have to be unanimous?   I would see the aggies veto texas.  Wasn't the story that when we joined the sec, Florida vetoed any talk of adding florida state.

No. New members invites are sent when 3/4 of member schools approve. At this point, 4 schools against blocks a new member.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

That would be a lot of teams.

You'd likely get a lot of flac from fans wanting to see more of the teams from the other side.

It would keep the SEC in the dominant position in college football from now on and it might preclude the ability of the Big Ten or Pac 12 to ever overcome their strength as a conference.   

[UAfanatic]

Finebaum:According to @ESPN_Colin "The Big 5 in CFB is ready to be the Big 4... BigXII will evaporate, Oklahoma is SEC bound & the Pac12 wants Texas"


The left coast deserves Texas.. and they could have their way with them.

[Russ22]

IIRC A&M and Mizzou only paid what the B12 was withholding for next years TV revenue--worked out to about 12 million each.  So they actually didn't pay, they just agreed to not get the current years check.

The B12 annual payments have gone up significantly since then, I think OU got around 26 million from the B12 for TV revenue this year.  I'm guessing that's probably about what OU would have to pay to leave.  That may be overly simplistic, and they may have strengthened the penalties for leaving since then.

The schools in the Big XII got bigger checks because A&M and Mizzou forfeited checks and TCU and WVU didn't receive full shares. I believe this will be the first full share year for those two. The Big XII bylaws in place when NU, CU, A&M, and Mizzou contained odd things on exit fees and membership terms. The cleanest negotiation was that the schools didn't owe anything and forfeited part (or all) of the TV money due for a contract year.

[razorbackfan86]

So who would come with OU, if true, OSU?

[welchog]

If OU does come, to make the sides even I could see OSU as well.

Then the realignment could be:

East- Florida, UGa, USCe, UK, Tenn, Vandy, Bama, Auburn

West- Arkansas, LSU, OM, MSU, Mizzu, TAMU, OU, OSU

Or:

North- Arkansas, Mizzu, UK, Tenn, Vandy, OU, OSU, TAMU

South- Florida, LSU, OM, MSU, UGa, Bama, Auburn, USCe

Either way both divisions would be represented by six states.

[Hog_Swanson]

If OU does come, to make the sides even I could see OSU as well.

Then the realignment could be:

East- Florida, UGa, USCe, UK, Tenn, Vandy, Bama, Auburn

West- Arkansas, LSU, OM, MSU, Mizzu, TAMU, OU, OSU

Or:

North- Arkansas, Mizzu, UK, Tenn, Vandy, OU, OSU, TAMU

South- Florida, LSU, OM, MSU, UGa, Bama, Auburn, USCe

Either way both divisions would be represented by six states.

So, we left the SWC so we could become the SWC again.  Huh...

[RazorPiggie]

Heard Colin talk about this yesterday on his show.

[KY Hog Man]

So, we left the SWC so we could become the SWC again.  Huh...

What???  What   The only team in those divisions from the SWC is Arkansas and TAMU. 

[XX]

What???  What   The only team in those divisions from the SWC is Arkansas and TAMU. 

He starts drinkin' early...

[HogFansReunited]

I think this would be a great move but I doubt it happens.

[Inhogswetrust]

So who would come with OU, if true, OSU?

IF OU could get it accomplished without OSU politically then I think they would. Then you would probably see the SEC look eastward for the other team. If not then who knows what could happen..................It would be interesting though. 

[hogcard1964]

I like the balance of this one:

Arkansas
Oklahoma
Missouri
Texas A & M
LSU
Louisville
Kentucky

Georgia
South Carolina
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
Alabama
Auburn
Florida

[Razorback_Mack]

I like the balance of this one:

Arkansas
Oklahoma
Missouri
Texas A & M
LSU
Louisville
Kentucky

Georgia
South Carolina
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
Alabama
Auburn
Florida

There's no way they're going to put 5 of the 6 traditional SEC football powers in one division.

[HogFansReunited]

Finebaum:According to @ESPN_Colin "The Big 5 in CFB is ready to be the Big 4... BigXII will evaporate, Oklahoma is SEC bound & the Pac12 wants Texas"


The left coast deserves Texas.. and they could have their way with them.

Link please, I just searched his account and didn't see that tweet.

[HogFansReunited]

Well I found it but he tweeted that a couple days ago.

[welchog]

There's no way they're going to put 5 of the 6 traditional SEC football powers in one division.

I would not say NO WAY, but I tend to agree.

[Razorback_Mack]

I googled big 12 and it said the big 12 was expanding. Trash Can

[BearsBisonsBoars]

If OU does come, to make the sides even I could see OSU as well.

Then the realignment could be:

East- Florida, UGa, USCe, UK, Tenn, Vandy, Bama, Auburn

West- Arkansas, LSU, OM, MSU, Mizzu, TAMU, OU, OSU

Or:

North- Arkansas, Mizzu, UK, Tenn, Vandy, OU, OSU, TAMU

South- Florida, LSU, OM, MSU, UGa, Bama, Auburn, USCe

Either way both divisions would be represented by six states.

We come up smelling of roses in either of those situations. It would be nice not to be saddled with Alabama and Auburn every year.

[Wildhog]

Do not want.

[pigture perfect]

I would want another Texas team instead of both Oklahoma teams. Texas is a much better recruiting footprint. Baylor, TCU or Houston would be fine to match up with Ou or Osu.

[BPsTheMan]

a much lesser version of the Southwest Conference could come back and raid CUSA

[Pigsknuckles]

Do not want.

Me neither. My wife is an OU fan. This could cost me my marriage. Apart from that, the very idea of OU in the SEC makes me gag.

[allvol1]

North Carolina or Virginia would be my bet

[NaturalStateReb]

Merging with an earlier thread on this.

[NaturalStateReb]

I like the balance of this one:

Arkansas
Oklahoma
Missouri
Texas A & M
LSU
Louisville
Kentucky

Georgia
South Carolina
Vanderbilt
Tennessee
Alabama
Auburn
Florida

I think WVU would be likelier than Louisville if we're going to get defections.  It'll be more likely that the Big 12 would come apart than getting a defection from both the Big 12 and the ACC.

[Wildhog]

A. Frick OU
B. It would be bad for Arkansas recruiting.

[wholehog92]

Because of my upbringing, I'm an OU fan (after the Hogs), but there is so much truth in what you said.  I couldn't have put it better myself.

I married into a family that is afflicted with OU love in one of the branches.  I lived in Moore and helped a friend of mine run his business that catered mostly to that God forsaken institution.  You can overcome your upbringing if you choose.

[ricepig]

It's the summer, they've got to talk/tweet about something.

[wildturkey8]

It makes no sense to add a 15th team either OSU is coming with them or a team on the east side is being added with them.  Another possiblility though very slim, Texas is following OU into the SEC.

[supersaint]

Bring in dem red wolves.

[fishes2000]

leave Misery in east add OU and Kansas. Let Misery and Kansas go back to their rivalry give AR Auburn as rival, give OU Georgia as its rival. Kansas would help the sec in basketball more than football but at least then we get a better game for a rival and can get rid of the border war or whatever its called.

[NaturalStateReb]

leave Misery in east add OU and Kansas. Let Misery and Kansas go back to their rivalry give AR Auburn as rival, give OU Georgia as its rival. Kansas would help the sec in basketball more than football but at least then we get a better game for a rival and can get rid of the border war or whatever its called.

Hard to imagine Kansas in the Southeastern Conference.  Just seems like a poor cultural fit, and the football is beyond bad. 

[rhames]

It's the summer, they've got to talk/tweet about something.

This


If anything the big 12 adds two teams

[hogsanity]

It makes sense for the SEC, IF, and only if, the big12 is going to implode.  Otherwise the current state of the conferences is fine. The SEC would not want another league picking up someone like OU, if Ou was looking for a partner. OU and Texas are the football kings of the big12 ( sorry baylor and tcu, your national appeal is very small ). 

[NaturalStateReb]

This


If anything the big 12 adds two teams

Can OU and Texas really put up with that, though?  The only available programs would be mid-majors, and how many mid-majors can you stuff in your conference until your own brands start to become devalued, especially if you're not winning consistently?

Lose a few to Mississippi State, Iowa, or Colorado and OU or UT will be seen as  having a down cycle; lose a few to Cincinnati, Memphis, and Iowa State and that's something else altogether.

[hogcard1964]

There's no way they're going to put 5 of the 6 traditional SEC football powers in one division.

Why not? There's 3 or 4 in the other one.

[Bacons Rebellion]

But it seems that history has shown that when teams (in the past) have left their conference for another, the financial package agreed to by the Media (ESPN/CBS/Fox, etc) have chosen to not scale down the previously agreed to financial package, thus remaining teams not being able to prove any real financial damage due to the departure of previous member schools. In fact, in the case of the Big 12, fewer schools are sharing the bounty of the t.v. package.
...

It's not the schools of the other P5 conferences that will be harmed. When the biggest schools form closed mega-conferences -- say 5 conferences of 16 teams each -- the other schools are locked out. The antitrust lawsuit will come from the Florida Atlantics, SMUs, San Diego States, Massachusetts, etc. Those second tier schools will argue that they are prohibited from competing by a cartel constructed by a small number of large schools, and they'll pretty much be right, I think.

[Inhogswetrust]

It's not the schools of the other P5 conferences that will be harmed. When the biggest schools form closed mega-conferences -- say 5 conferences of 16 teams each -- the other schools are locked out. The antitrust lawsuit will come from the Florida Atlantics, SMUs, San Diego States, Massachusetts, etc. Those second tier schools will argue that they are prohibited from competing by a cartel constructed by a small number of large schools, and they'll pretty much be right, I think.

Then those new P4 schools would simply break completely away from there NCAA and form a whole new organization. Those other schools are lucky it hasn't already been more seriously discussed.

[Doug]

IF OU could get it accomplished without OSU politically then I think they would. Then you would probably see the SEC look eastward for the other team. If not then who knows what could happen………………It would be interesting though.

If Texas heads to the Pac 12, and Oklahoma comes to the SEC... the SEC East team will more than likely be West Virginia.

Although, I would expect to see a redefining of the SEC West/East to SEC North/South.

The only issue... some headlines will write themselves under an SEC North vs SEC South battle.

[Inhogswetrust]

If Texas heads to the Pac 12, and Oklahoma comes to the SEC... the SEC East team will more than likely be West Virginia.

Although, I would expect to see a redefining of the SEC West/East to SEC North/South.

The only issue... some headlines will write themselves under an SEC North vs SEC South battle.

I'm fine with West Virginia. They have an extremely loyal following. A lot of people don't realize how much they are followed in southern Pennsylvania around Pittsburg, Maryland as well as some of Virginia and Ohio. That being said I'd prefer VT but nobody can have everything they want.

[Doug]

We've (the Hogs, namely the fan base) have wanted a TRUE team that we could build up naturally as a rival. Being that I've interacted *very* heavily with WVU 'Eer fans for several years, this would benefit the SEC by having Arkansas and WVU as permanent opponents.

The fan bases are equally passionate about their respective schools, while oft misunderstood by just about every other school in their conferences (current and former). The mindset and mentality of both fan bases is so similar, it really is just incredible.

The Hogs have their WPS chant.
The 'Eers have their couch burnings.

C'mon... it wouldn't get any better than the Hogs having WVU as a natural rival.

[Rzbakfromwaybak]

I believe that OU would have already left for the SEC, if it wasn't for Okla St.  State legislators will not allow Okla to move, without their puppy dog.  Evidently, the SEC has not really been interested in Okla St.  Maybe that will change at some point.  Believe this is the main reason that Okla has stayed put.  Not the worry of their contract with the Big 12.

[Inhogswetrust]

We've (the Hogs, namely the fan base) have wanted a TRUE team that we could build up naturally as a rival. Being that I've interacted *very* heavily with WVU 'Eer fans for several years, this would benefit the SEC by having Arkansas and WVU as permanent opponents.

The fan bases are equally passionate about their respective schools, while oft misunderstood by just about every other school in their conferences (current and former). The mindset and mentality of both fan bases is so similar, it really is just incredible.

The Hogs have their WPS chant.
The 'Eers have their couch burnings.

C'mon... it wouldn't get any better than the Hogs having WVU as a natural rival.

Having them as our crossover rival is a good idea assuming Mizzou would move to the west due to some other realignment within the conference. I've always liked the idea of Bama and old barn in different divisions and then they being permanent cross division rivals.............