If you can't beat them, then join them; why not a dual threat quarterback?

[Tarheelhawg]

A dual threat qb is the most difficult for the Hogs to defend, so why not sign one?

[yraciv]

That would be my preference and Bielema's most successful QB to date was Russell Wilson although he was pretty ready to go when he transferred to  Wisconsin.

[factchecker]

Signed one.... he will be here in five days:

[Tarheelhawg]

Russel Wilson is exactly my point! 

[Pigsknuckles]

Matt Jones says hi.

[LZH]

Enos is more like BP in that he wants a drop-back pocket QB. Austin is pretty nimble, but I doubt we see anything resembling a Prescott as long as BB is there.

As a QB, I loved the shotgun because it doesn't force you to turn your back on the defense....although Enos' play action is our bread & butter.

As long as we have top-shelf RB's, I don't see a need for a change.

[hobhog]

Not that many elite ones out there. They need to be able to throw it first  and many cant.

[dhizzle]

I think the same thing, but then i think he would be more likely to get jacked up then the season goes down the drain.

[ballz2thewall]

i don't think we can avoid it.

go ahead and bring in the read.

[Hollywood870]

We had Brandon Mitchell. But he wasn't good enough. We should sign one. I agree.

[Tarheelhawg]

I am in no way discounting the dual threat from Alabama!   I hope that he is like Russell Wilson.  He just needs to gain some weight. 

[Nosboar Accubond]

Hyatt has wheels...

[31to6]

Not that many elite ones out there. They need to be able to throw it first  and many cant.

Ding ding ding. Winner winner.

I think that all things being equal, every college OC would welcome a QB who can run.

Unfortunately they are rarely equal and for every Cam there are 50 JF III's who can't read a defense or hit the broadside of a barn.

[aloha_kid]

Russel Wilson is exactly my point! 

Ahhh Russell Wilson.  Seems to me he's just a bit better than your average QB.  Boy if only they grew on trees.

[bennyl08]

Not that many elite ones out there. They need to be able to throw it first  and many cant.

Eh, it depends. At the NFL, that is absolutely necessary, what you said.

In college, I present to you, Nick Marshall with Auburn. This is a qb who had more completions to our team than is own after an entire half of football, but the next year was able to play for (and get embarrassed) in the national championship game.

Obviously, that is a bit of an extreme example and a bit beyond the norm. However, there are a number of fairly successful NCAA qb's who are Derby-level passers, but make up for it in running.

For us, we have been absolutely spoiled with really good passers. Mallet, Wilson, Allen, and now Allen. Passing is more important than running the ball for a qb. So, if you have two qb's on the roster, and one's a B+ passer, then the other qb will need to be an A+ runner to beat the qb who is a better passer and make up for his own shortcomings as a passer. Even if he is still a B or B- passer. Both the Allens are actually pretty decent runners themselves.

Somebody here mentioned Prescott.

Here's Allen compared to Prescott

#       Allen  Prescott
ht/wt 6'1 217  6'2 226  1", 9 pounds bigger, better, but not a huge difference
arm     31.25   32.25,   1" longer, helpful, but not a big difference
hands   8 7/8   10 7/8,  2" bigger is a pretty big difference
40yd     4.84     4.79,   0.05s faster in the forty time. Faster, but not by much.
10yd     1.71     1.66,   0.05s faster in the 10 yard split, this is a significant difference
vert       28        32.5,  4.5" taller, shows more explosion
broad     110      116,    6" farther, same
3cone     7.06     7.11,   .05s slower than BA, BA isn't as explosive, but has looser hips, can change direction better
shuttle   4.33      4.32,   0.01s faster, virtually negligible

BA was a pretty athletic qb. However, being able to throw the ball well is always going to help the team more than the qb running the ball. He could have ran more here, but seemed to get injured a lot, and living to play another day is important.

[12247]

Wasn't Peavey considered a dual threat QB?  Lets see what SMU does with him.

[code red]

A dual threat qb is the most difficult for the Hogs to defend, so why not sign one?

Because someone might get hurt.  Yet how many foot injuries do we sustain in freaking practice?

[code red]

Wasn't Peavey considered a dual threat QB?  Lets see what SMU does with him.

So true.

[Tarheelhawg]

Russell Wilson was playing minor league baseball in Asheville NC before NC State ; if you are not looking for one , then you are certain not to find one.

[longpig]

So true.

Duwop.

[factchecker]

Wasn't Peavey considered a dual threat QB?  Lets see what SMU does with him.

He's gonna have a hard time uprooting a really talented starter.  Ben Hicks took down Houston throwing for 3 TDs and 0 INTs.  Did much better against Houston than Lamar did.

[bennyl08]

Wasn't Peavey considered a dual threat QB?  Lets see what SMU does with him.

Yes, he was a dual threat to throw a pick or get sacked...

[Hollywood870]

Yes, he was a dual threat to throw a pick or get sacked...

When? In a spring game with the second team?

[factchecker]

When? In a spring game with the second team?

Against our defense.... yeah.

[Hollywood870]

Where did Ricky Town end up btw?

[arlhog]

Over the last 10 years every quarterback winning  a natty not from bama was a running quarterback.  Now bama has one too.  It has worked for a reason.  Anything that makes you harder to defend makes you better.

[factchecker]

Where did Ricky Town end up btw?

Ventura College (JUCO in Cali)

https://twitter.com/JuCoFootballACE/status/812762273433419776

[jm]

A dual threat qb is the most difficult for the Hogs to defend, so why not sign one?

Duel threat QB's are just like beautiful wives.    Everyone wants one.
Go find a coach that says he would rather have a QB that can't run so just avoids anyone who has that skill. 

[bennyl08]

Over the last 10 years every quarterback winning  a natty not from bama was a running quarterback.  Now bama has one too.  It has worked for a reason.  Anything that makes you harder to defend makes you better.

2007: Flynn, pocket passer
2013: Winston, pocket passer
2014: Cardayle Jones: No more athletic than Brandon Allen, just a much larger body.

Over the past 10 years, you've had Tebow, Cam Newton, and Cardayle Jones as the only running qb's. 70% of the national championships have been from pocket passers.

[Tarheelhawg]

I appreciate statistics as much as the next guy, but the last two years have featured dual threat qbs.  Is this the beginning of a trend or a fluke?

[12247]

Most running QBs can't sling it.  When you find a player who can do both, get him every time.  Not, in this instance, ragging on BB but when you have the built in handicaps we do here at Arkansas, you need a Coach that studies the situation and then operates the offense and defense fitting the Guys you can best recruit.  Spreading the field on offense on average gives you the best opportunity to get your 2 or 3 very good players room to work.  Trying to run over folks with players that are slower, smaller, less quick, less talented and less depth won't work, then you must build a scheme to put what you do have in the best place to succeed.  When the defense knows where to find your QB on any given pass play and your O-line couldn't stop a stiff breeze, you wont have a good gameday.

[Karma]

The last 8 teams in the NC game have run the spread. Maybe we should move that direction.

[jm]

Betcha Saban would love to trade for Arkansas' QB after that last series. Hurts has done nothing in this game.

[hobhog]

Betcha Saban would love to trade for Arkansas' QB after that last series. Hurts has done nothing in this game.

No doubt. He hasn't really had to throw all season. He seems a little rattled and surprised he's not running more....

Unless u leave tight end wide open.

[Tarheelhawg]

Tight end you were saying.....

[Hog Pharm]

Maybe we can join them by getting a defense.

[Tarheelhawg]

Plus 100!  LOL

[Tarheelhawg]

Jalen Hurts,  scrambles for TD.   

[ErieHog]

Not that many elite ones out there. They need to be able to throw it first  and many cant.

This.  If it was easy  everyone would.

[Tarheelhawg]

Easy? No one said that it would be easy.  If it is not a point of emphasis like bringing in a solid running back or quality offensive lineman, then it won"t happen.  So if it is hard, we can't do it?  Really?

[ErieHog]

Easy? No one said that it would be easy.  If it is not a point of emphasis like bringing in a solid running back or quality offensive lineman, then it won"t happen.  So if it is hard, we can't do it?  Really?

We haven't had success at much easier player identification-- like linebacker-- in decades.   Good mobile quarterbacks are considerably harder than linebackers to identify, recruit, get on campus, and get effective.   

[factchecker]

Jalen Hurts,  scrambles for TD.

If he could hit an open receiver they might have won the championship.

[RazorPiggie]

Not one mention of Cole Kelley? Big arm QB that can actually run a little.

[ErieHog]

Not one mention of Cole Kelley? Big arm QB that can actually run a little.

That's a far cry from a Watson or a Hurts.

[wachhog]

Rather than a mobile quarterback, I'd rathee we had Terry Don.
That's what hurts.

[BigE_23]

Not one mention of Cole Kelley? Big arm QB that can actually run a little.

Thank you...Cole will surprise people with his athleticism.

[factchecker]

Thank you...Cole will surprise people with his athleticism.

You are correct.  He was hobbled a little bit in high school but he can move for a big QB. 

[RedRock]

It will never change with BB. 

[onebadrubi]

I appreciate statistics as much as the next guy, but the last two years have featured dual threat qbs.  Is this the beginning of a trend or a fluke?

You are half wrong...

[onebadrubi]

Keep in mind Jalen Hurts had a lot of interest in Arkansas early.