Who is the GOAT of Arkansas Football, player wise?

[oldfart]

Anyone who says somebody other than Lance Alworth is wasting the skin on your fingertips banging keys. Lance literally changed the game of football in the old AFL. With his blinding speed and tremendous athletic ability Lance made professional football a game of the forward pass. There are many great players but so very few innovators. Lance Alworth was an innovator. And please don't come with the "yeah, but he played in the 60's and early 70's before the NFL had fully accepted the Black athlete". WRONG.  Lance played in the AFL which was the haven of the great Black athlete at the time. Watch some of Lance's long TD catches from Hadl and you'll see that Lance competed almost exclusively against great Black athletes. I hate to have to bring that up, but I know there are some people who will say he wasn't playing against top shelf competition which is complete BS. The answer to the OP's question is Lance Alworth and it really isn't even close.

true about the professional game.. but i dont think he was used that well at Arkansas..  a different style of play... if you just looked at what they did on the Hill i think its mcfadden without question

[oldfart]

I remember getting back from Iraq and flying home for post deployment leave and getting to XNA just in time to drive straight to Donald Dubya for the South Carolina game... He went off for 321 in the greatest single game performance I've had the pleasure of watching out of a Razorback.  I'm not as long in the tooth as some around here but for me it is DMAC and everyone else is a contest for second place. 

and yet spurrier refused to list him on his Heisman ballot

[TushCrush]

Gralyn Wyatt, anyone??

Played against Graylon in high school. He had wheels.

[Cinco de Hogo]

Matt Jones will alway be the most exciting player I ever saw with a ball in his hands while also in a Razorback uniform.

However Dmac wins the award.

[DLUXHOG]

Darren McFadden and it isn't close.

Hampton was a one man wrecking machine to the offenses that opposed him....

[greenEGnHAWGS]

Easy answer is obviously Run DMC...but...I offer you a new name that hasn't been mentioned...

Brandon Burlsworth

Hog in every sense of the word and one of the top in his position in the nation. Simply didn't play a flashy position that garnered national attention as much as RB/QB/WRs.

[DLUXHOG]

Easy answer is obviously Run DMC...but...I offer you a new name that hasn't been mentioned...

Brandon Burlsworth

Hog. in every sense of the word and one of the top in his position in the nation. Simply didn't play a flashy position that garnered national attention as much as RB/QB/WRs.

Uhhhh...... he was an All American......  I'd say he got a good bit of national attention.....

[BroyledNutts]

He certainly had a good case both years but what angered me the most about all that was the two-faced arguments against him. The first year it was argued Troy Smith should get the nod because DMac was an underclassman/sophomore, yet the very next season the very same argument was ignored in giving the trophy to a sophomore, the first time a non-upperclassman won the award. Complete horsecrap IMO


Go Hogs!

Adding to those examples was the College Football Final program that second time around when it seemed it was DMacs to lose ... Then Mark May chimed into the discussion. His one sentence ended any chance Darren had to win it ... "Darren McFadden is the best player in college football - the problem is he plays for a non-Heisman program, and a non-Heisman school."

And that was the end of it. From that point on, Tebow was the favorite and DMac was the best player in the NCAA who could not win it because of where he played.

I've despised Mark May and the whole Heisman BS ever since.

[HogFoo]

I get exactly what you are saying and you are quite right. When I read the OP's thread starter the thought that first came to my mind was who had the best career simply because it said nothing about a time frame. So if we are gauging time spent at the UA, I'd have to go with a tie, Steve Atwater/Darren Mcfadden.  But if the you take into account the careers your top 3 are quite right and in this order, 1) Alworth, 2) Atwater  and 3) Dan Hampton....put it this way, we don't get players like those guys anymore

The Arkansas Razorbacks football team goes as the quality of Little Rock HS football goes. When central Arkansas has a banner crop, especially on defense, the Hogs can really compete against anyone in the SEC with exceptions of (right now) Alabama. Little Rock Central football's downhill slide has really hurt the Hog defense. And one more thing, we have too many players from Fayetteville getting quality playing time for my liking. JMHO.  I have no idea why Bielema doesn't come to Texarkana and recruit it harder, the border city produces talent every year. Just ask Oregon.

I think it has to go to DMAC.   He should have won 2 he is man trophys.  They didn't give it to him the first time because they said they don't give it to sophomores.   They didn't give it to him the 2nd time because they gave it to a sophomore.   Haha. I remember earlier in the year when Urban Meyer was coaching UF the year Tebow won and Urban had made a comment about how he believed that DMAC deserved to win the Heisman because he had saw DMAC blocking for Feliz on a kick return and he loved how DMAC ran all the way down blocking as hard as he could for someone else .  And Urban loved his unselfishness.  That was Urban Meyer saying that.  Then of course , Te ow wins it and Dmac was screwed again!   

I will say that I agree with your comments about central LR schools.  This is very true.  Whenever the LR schools have great talent, and the hogs get them, we can compete with just about any SEC school.  The last great crop was back in the 05-06 years.  And look how good we were.  Which all those players came from that LR Central school that had probably the greatest HS defense in state history.    Since then, nothing.  And we haven't had that great of defense.  We had the "triangle"  a couple years ago.  And because of spaight, philon, flowers, everyone thought that Coach smith was the greatest DC of all time.  They lwft, and so went our defense sadly.  Anyways back to the OP.

DMAC, not even close!

[Youngsta71701]

From the players I've had the privilege to see play since I can remember it's D-Mac and it's not even debatable.

[Hawgndaaz]

DMac is in many folks top 10 SEC players of all time, yall.

I don't think this is debatable.

Also, dominant players when it was all 190lb white guys running the veer don't count, sorry.

[greenEGnHAWGS]

Uhhhh...... he was an All American......  I'd say he got a good bit of national attention.....

Interesting...how many ESPN highlights did you see of BB compared to DMac?

[DeltaBoy]

Dmac got shafted 2 times and I don't give a damn who wins that worthless hunk of Brass now.

[secfan30]

Gary Anderson is underrated in my opinion. He ended his career with about 4500 all purpose yards.

As much as I ove DMac, Alworth has to be the GOAT.

It's close between those two. Had DMac not been screwed out of the Heisman that was given to Tebow, I'd say he would be 1st.

[justmakeit2thebcs]

Felix Jones  7.6 yards per carry.....


but Alworth is GOAT.

[Ben]

Il ask this question: who would have been more dominant? Dmac in Alworths time, or Alworth in DMac's time?

[Jackrabbit Hog]

Dmac got shafted 2 times and I don't give a damn who wins that worthless hunk of Brass now.

I think it's bronze, Delta, but we get your point.

[savimbi2002]

DMAC, Atwater

[KennyForAD]

Gary Anderson is underrated in my opinion. He ended his career with about 4500 all purpose yards.

As much as I ove DMac, Alworth has to be the GOAT.

It's close between those two. Had DMac not been screwed out of the Heisman that was given to Tebow, I'd say he would be 1st.

Remember when this was THE highlight of the NFL for like a decade?

[secfan30]

Remember when this was THE highlight of the NFL for like a decade?

Yes I do remember that highlight. I was just a kid, but remember it vividly.

[plumbhog]

Yeah the greatest was DMAC but nobody tried as hard as Casey Dick!

[majp51]

DMac is in many folks top 10 SEC players of all time, yall.

I don't think this is debatable.

Also, dominant players when it was all 190lb white guys running the veer don't count, sorry.

Lok DMAC was great, and may be current GOAT for the razorbacks,  but anyone who tells you top 10 of all time in in the SEC laces way too much weight on offense and the BCS ERA. Shoot in Running backs alone there is no way you can not rate him higher than 4th, because he really wasn't better than

Herschel Walker
Bo Jackson
Emmitt Smith

And he arguably isn't any better than
Eric Rhett
Kevin Faulk

From a purely SEC standpoint.

But, Let's Say he is one of the 4 Best RB of all time in the SEC (no mean feat there and high praise regardless) I still could not rate him above

Peyton Manning,
Cornelius Bennet (oh my gosh he was a beast)
Derrick Thomas (ditto, just amazing)
Reggie White,
Champ Bailey,
David Pollack,
Tracy Rocker

ANd that is just off the top of my head and doesn't include Julio Jones, AJ Green, any Tight End , or any OL. And honestly in terms of SEC history and For it could be argued Kevin Butler should be up there. hAnd I only bothered to include people I saw play, which means I don't have Steve Spurrier, Archie Manning and tons of other truly amazing players from before the late 1970's.

[dcrback]

I think to be able to compare DMAC to Bambi...you have to be old enough to have seen both play.
So being old as dirt, I have to go with Bambi. 

[DLUXHOG]

Well, if you look at NFL careers... Bambi, Hampton and others all had better, and were more durable during their NFL careers, however if you look at on field performance as a Razorback, who lit it up and seriously changed the outcome of games.......  I'd say DMAC gets that vote.... NFL...mmmmm... nope....

[hawgmasta]

It's Darren McFadden and it's probably not close.

He was an Arkansas kid, embraced being a Hog, and had fans holding their breath every time he touched the ball. Should've won at least one Heisman and maybe two if the award wasn't so controlled by media.

He owns just about every Arkansas rushing record and would've owned every SEC rushing record if he came back for his senior year.

Run DMC baby......

Just saw this and had to bump. Just in case anybody didn't know, it's DMAC.

[EastexHawg]

Lok DMAC was great, and may be current GOAT for the razorbacks,  but anyone who tells you top 10 of all time in in the SEC laces way too much weight on offense and the BCS ERA. Shoot in Running backs alone there is no way you can not rate him higher than 4th, because he really wasn't better than

Herschel Walker
Bo Jackson
Emmitt Smith

And he arguably isn't any better than
Eric Rhett
Kevin Faulk

From a purely SEC standpoint.

But, Let's Say he is one of the 4 Best RB of all time in the SEC (no mean feat there and high praise regardless) I still could not rate him above

Peyton Manning,
Cornelius Bennet (oh my gosh he was a beast)
Derrick Thomas (ditto, just amazing)
Reggie White,
Champ Bailey,
David Pollack,
Tracy Rocker

ANd that is just off the top of my head and doesn't include Julio Jones, AJ Green, any Tight End , or any OL. And honestly in terms of SEC history and For it could be argued Kevin Butler should be up there. hAnd I only bothered to include people I saw play, which means I don't have Steve Spurrier, Archie Manning and tons of other truly amazing players from before the late 1970's.

Fran Tarkenton
Bart Starr
Jim Taylor
Joe Namath
John Hannah
Billy Cannon
Shaun Alexander
Lee Roy Jordan
Ken Stabler
Charles Alexander
B e r t Jones
Frank Sinkwich
Y.A. Tittle
Charlie Conerly

Herschel Walker is the greatest back in SEC history, probably the greatest player period.

[DLUXHOG]

Fran Tarkenton
Bart Starr
Jim Taylor
Joe Namath
John Hannah
Billy Cannon
Shaun Alexander
Lee Roy Jordan
Ken Stabler
Charles Alexander
B e r t Jones
Frank Sinkwich

Herschel Walker is the greatest back in SEC history, probably the greatest player period.

agree..... in spades.............

[colbs]

Lok DMAC was great, and may be current GOAT for the razorbacks,  but anyone who tells you top 10 of all time in in the SEC laces way too much weight on offense and the BCS ERA. Shoot in Running backs alone there is no way you can not rate him higher than 4th, because he really wasn't better than

Herschel Walker
Bo Jackson
Emmitt Smith

And he arguably isn't any better than
Eric Rhett
Kevin Faulk

From a purely SEC standpoint.

But, Let's Say he is one of the 4 Best RB of all time in the SEC (no mean feat there and high praise regardless) I still could not rate him above

Peyton Manning,
Cornelius Bennet (oh my gosh he was a beast)
Derrick Thomas (ditto, just amazing)
Reggie White,
Champ Bailey,
David Pollack,
Tracy Rocker

ANd that is just off the top of my head and doesn't include Julio Jones, AJ Green, any Tight End , or any OL. And honestly in terms of SEC history and For it could be argued Kevin Butler should be up there. hAnd I only bothered to include people I saw play, which means I don't have Steve Spurrier, Archie Manning and tons of other truly amazing players from before the late 1970's.

Dmac is among the top 3 best SEC RBs ever, no doubt.  4,590 rushing yards, 41 rushing TDs, 2x first team AA, 2x Doak Walker award winner, 2x Heisman runner up, 3x All SEC first team.

[#1 STUNNA]

Dmac is among the top 3 best SEC RBs ever, no doubt.  4,590 rushing yards, 41 rushing TDs, 2x first team AA, 2x Doak Walker award winner, 2x Heisman runner up, 3x All SEC first team.

and he did that with 2 other nfl backs in the backfield with him..lol

[#1 STUNNA]

Darren Mcfadden... and if used right it should have been Matt Jones...

[CrookedSquealliry]

That kid from Little Rock that doesn't produce athletes.  His number was #5.
Not even close. 

[FANONTHEHILL]

Lance Alworth, Dan Hampton, and now Jerry Jones will be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame, but as a college football player, there has only been one guy that sat in Downtown Athletic Club the second week of December and watched someone else be handed what should have been his Heisman trophy and that's #5.

[hawganatic]

Matt Jones was the most exciting/fun to watch.  Not sure how much better he made the team though. 

I can't really comment on Lance Alworth.  Before my time and don't really know much about him except he played for the Chargers and had a great pro career.

DMac changed football with the wildcat.  Look at how often this formation is still being ran.  No telling how many players were able to make teams or extend their careers because of the wildcat, at the college and pro level.  He's also rated as the third best SEC running back of all time by most people who like to rank SEC running backs.

His lasting impact on the game, with the stats he put up while he was here its DMAC as the best ever.

[PoormansRobbyHampton]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GND7sPNwWko

[hawganatic]

It should be Matt Jones. 

How can Jones be the GOAT when he's not even the greatest at his position?