My question to committee

[Kevin]

If urban Meyer was the coach at penn state & James franklin was at Ohio state who would be in

[NuttinItUp]

It would likely depend on their records and how good they were given the change in coaching. It is hard to know without running the experiment.

The committee's job is to pick the best 4 teams, regardless of anything else.

[Duke of Swine]

I hate that the conference championships don't really count though.  The cool thing about college football in the past was that the entire season was basically a playoff. 

[sickboy]

I think Penn State is a big enough brand that it doesn't matter in this case.

Now, if James Franklin was the coach at Ohio State and Urban Meyer decided to go back to Utah and it was them instead of Penn State in this situation... then I think you'd see the favoritism muddle things.

[hoggusamoungus]

If urban Meyer was the coach at penn state & James franklin was at Ohio state who would be in

Michigan. 

[NuttinItUp]

I hate that the conference championships don't really count though.  The cool thing about college football in the past was that the entire season was basically a playoff. 

The conference championships do count, but it is only one part of the whole. Most of the time the best team wins a conference, but that isn't always the case. I would rather have the best 4 teams, regardless of conference championships.

Kind of like when LSU and Alabama played a few years ago when it was the BCS era still. They were the best two teams, even though they were from the same division & conference.

[Kevin]

Beat a team head to head. Win the conference championship but the team you beat late in the season plays for the national title.

Just pick the four teams in August and be done with it

[Dr. Starcs]

Posted it in another thread, but if Ohio St was named Tcu, they'd be left out. A la 2 years ago.

[depressed_fan]

why would you think the coach would have anything to do with it? they are both great coaches

[DiamondHogFan]

Beat a team head to head. Win the conference championship but the team you beat late in the season plays for the national title.

Just pick the four teams in August and be done with it

Want to be in the playoff?  Don't lose.  Penn St lost twice.  Ohio St lost once.  If Penn St wouldn't have lost to Pitt, they would be in.

[alohawg]

Ridiculous

[longpig]

Posted it in another thread, but if Ohio St was named Tcu, they'd be left out. A la 2 years ago.

false equivalency.  Neither played in a conference championship game but Ohio State has a buttload of impressive wins where TCU didn't, among other things. 

[jm]

The conference championships do count, but it is only one part of the whole. Most of the time the best team wins a conference, but that isn't always the case. I would rather have the best 4 teams, regardless of conference championships.

Kind of like when LSU and Alabama played a few years ago when it was the BCS era still. They were the best two teams, even though they were from the same division & conference.

The conference championship means nothing. There is no real reason to have conferences at all as things are now. It is much more important to have a big name from a large population state. As things are now, Arkansas will never make the playoffs, and neither will teams a long list of teams like Baylor regardless of how good they are. It is just un-American to give any team a spot that they did not earn on the field. If they can't win their own division in their own conference, they didn't earn the spot.

[Dr. Starcs]

Don't lose to Pitt?
Clemson did.

(Devil's advocate)

[JOKERHOG]

Washington and Penn State should have both been in and TOSU out.  Penn State beat them head to head, won conference and is the hotter team now

[NuttinItUp]

Want to be in the playoff?  Don't lose.  Penn St lost twice.  Ohio St lost once.  If Penn St wouldn't have lost to Pitt, they would be in.

This.

Win your games. Don't lose 2 if you want a chance to dance.

[Dr. Starcs]

Lsu won a national title with 2 losses.

(Again, devils advocate)

[hawgdavis]

It's who you are not what you do . ESPN wanted it the way it is so that's what we get. No need for a conference champion just let ESPN decide

[Dr. Starcs]

I was for once on the side of Danny Kanell.

He had Bama, Clem, Wash and Penn St

[NuttinItUp]

As things are now, Arkansas will never make the playoffs

Arkansas could make the playoffs if they went 13-0 or 12-1. (or even 11-1, 11-2, or 10-2 given the right circumstances at the top with other teams)

Now, the likelihood of that happening is pretty low, but making the playoffs shouldn't be easy.

[DiamondHogFan]

Don't lose to Pitt?
Clemson did.

(Devil's advocate)

Clemson only has 1 loss.

[DiamondHogFan]

Lsu won a national title with 2 losses.

(Again, devils advocate)

There are 4 teams with less than 2 losses this year.  5 if you want to count WMU.

[NuttinItUp]

Lsu won a national title with 2 losses.

(Again, devils advocate)

True. It depends on the year and how many losses everyone else has at the top. Some years 2 losses will get you in, some years 1, some years 0.

[hawgdavis]

ESPN rules collage football and decide who they want and start building it up weeks ahead of time and start their campaign machine. Crazy

[DiamondHogFan]

This would be an interesting year for the BCS.  Would Ohio St be #2 based on the BCS system?

[HotlantaHog]

Maybe Penn State should have scheduled Oklahoma or beaten Pitt.

[NuttinItUp]

This would be an interesting year for the BCS.  Would Ohio St be #2 based on the BCS system?

Yes, someone recreated the BCS rankings and what they would have been. (computer inputs, etc.)
http://www.colleyrankings.com/curBcsLike.html

The only caveat is that the AP Poll is taking the place of the Harris Poll since it doesn't exist anymore.

Ohio State was a pretty unanimous #2 among everyone. (AP Poll, Coaches Poll, and all computers)

[DiamondHogFan]

Maybe Penn State should have scheduled Oklahoma or beaten Pitt.

Or at least been competitive against Michigan.

[DeltaBoy]

The committee blew it one year they cry you have to be a conference champion to get into the final 4. This year they let their man crush on Meyer to ignore their own Rule. Penn State won the Big 10championship and got shafted .

[Dr. Starcs]

You guys would be rioting if you switched the names of Penn St and Ohio St to Arkansas and Alabama.

[PorkRinds]

You guys would be rioting if you switched the names of Penn St and Ohio St to Arkansas and Alabama.

This is the long and short of it. Pedo U got the shaft. No pun intended.

[NuttinItUp]

This is the long and short of it. Pedo U got the shaft. No pun intended.

"The Curse of the Sandusky"

[longpig]

The committee blew it one year they cry you have to be a conference champion to get into the final 4. This year they let their man crush on Meyer to ignore their own Rule. Penn State won the Big 10championship and got shafted .

Oh the committee blows because they don't have anything better to do, but I don't recall them saying this.

[farmhawg]

It would likely depend on their records and how good they were given the change in coaching. It is hard to know without running the experiment.

The committee's job is to pick the best 4 teams, regardless of anything else.

I disagree. The committee is there to make the most money for the playoff.

[(notOM)Rebel123]

Maybe Penn State should have scheduled Oklahoma or beaten Pitt.

....and not lose to Michigan by 39.

[alohawg]

You guys would be rioting if you switched the names of Penn St and Ohio St to Arkansas and Alabama.

Bingo

[bennyl08]

Penn State has every right to argue they should be in the playoff. They do not however have a better argument than tOSU.

Yes, I'd be furious if Ark was in PSU's position. They should be furious as well. However, I'd also be furious if we were in Ohio St's position and were left out and their fans should have been furious if they were left out.

This year, as with many other years, there are genuinely more than 4 teams that have a very strong argument that they should be considered one of the top 2 teams in the country.

The debate isn't should a team be in the top 4 or not. That's not the purpose of the playoff. The debate should be, how many teams have a strong case to make to be one of two teams to play for a national championship. That is why it should be an 8 team playoff.

No doubt, teams that are 9 and 10 will be complaining just the same as teams 5 and 6 might complain right now. No matter how many teams are in the playoff, that is going to happen. The question becomes, are the teams that are left out deserving of being one of 2 teams to play for the national championship or not? When it was 3 and 4, they were definitely deserving almost every year. When it is 5 and 6, More often than not there will be teams deserving of that 1-2 spot getting left out. If you do a 6 team playoff, you still have a significant sprinkling of years where you will leave somebody out who has just as strong a resume to fight for the national title as anybody else. With an 8 team, the only teams left out are ones who would have been lucky to be there anyways.

[longpig]

I disagree. The committee is there to make the most money for the playoff.

If that's the case they suck at their job.  Should've gone with Texas, USC, Notre Dame and Michigan.

[DeltaBoy]

Oh the committee blows because they don't have anything better to do, but I don't recall them saying this.

That was their excuse for leaving TCU out a couple of years ago.

[go hogues]

Beat a team head to head. Win the conference championship but the team you beat late in the season plays for the national title.

Just pick the four teams in August and be done with it

THIS!

ESPN wants Bama vs. Ohio State for NCG, so that's what they get.

Hope it's Clemson vs. U dub in the title game.

[farmhawg]

If that's the case they suck at their job.  Should've gone with Texas, USC, Notre Dame and Michigan.

Ha! They would have if they could.

[GoHogs1091]

Washington only has 1 good win this season, and that was against Colorado.

Here are the good wins for the main teams that were considered for the 4 spots.

Alabama  Only 2 good wins, Auburn and LSU.  Florida is not a good win for Alabama.

Clemson   4 good wins, Auburn, Troy, Louisville, and Florida State.  Two of those were road wins (Auburn and Florida State).  Before anyone questions the Troy win, Troy went 9-3 this season.

Ohio State  3 good wins, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, and Michigan.  Ohio State did play some real mediocre non-conference competition (Bowling Green and Rutgers).

Washington  Only 1 good win, Colorado.  Washington's non-conference competition was atrocious.

Penn State   3 good wins, Ohio State, Iowa, and Wisconsin.

Penn State probably should have got in instead of Washington.

[MissippHog]

Washington only has 1 good win this season, and that was against Colorado.

Here are the good wins for the main teams that were considered for the 4 spots.

Alabama  Only 2 good wins, Auburn and LSU.  Florida is not a good win for Alabama.

Clemson   4 good wins, Auburn, Troy, Louisville, and Florida State.  Two of those were road wins (Auburn and Florida State).  Before anyone questions the Troy win, Troy went 9-3 this season.

Ohio State  3 good wins, Oklahoma, Wisconsin, and Michigan.  Ohio State did play some real mediocre non-conference competition (Bowling Green and Rutgers).

Washington  Only 1 good win, Colorado.  Washington's non-conference competition was atrocious.

Penn State   3 good wins, Ohio State, Iowa, and Wisconsin.

Penn State probably should have got in instead of Washington.

So you're going to give Clemson a "good win" for beating Troy but Bama doesn't get one for beating USC-W?   
LSU counts as a "good win" but Florida doesn't.....even though Florida beat LSU.  Makes perfect sense. 

[GoHogs1091]

So you're going to give Clemson a "good win" for beating Troy but Bama doesn't get one for beating USC-W?   
LSU counts as a "good win" but Florida doesn't.....even though Florida beat LSU.  Makes perfect sense. 

I was consistent.

If I gave Alabama a good win for beating Florida, then I would have given Clemson a good win for beating Virginia Tech.

I didn't give Alabama or Clemson a good win for either. 

[popcornhog]

I hate that the conference championships don't really count though.  The cool thing about college football in the past was that the entire season was basically a playoff.

PSU has two losses against Pitt and a blowout loss at Michigan.

Ohio State only lost one game by a FG, to PSU and beat that same MU team that smoked PSU.

Ohio State simply has a better resume.

[(notOM)Rebel123]

If urban Meyer was the coach at penn state & James franklin was at Ohio state who would be in

Have you heard back from the committee yet?

[Bubba's Bruisers]

I hate tOSU, but the committee probably got it right.

[(notOM)Rebel123]

I hate tOSU, but the committee probably got it right.

I agree. If they took 2-loss team, Michigan may have been the best choice. 39 point win over PSU was big. Why does PSU get a pass on the loss to Pitt?

[buldozer]

Beat a team head to head. Win the conference championship but the team you beat late in the season plays for the national title.

Just pick the four teams in August and be done with it

Just about right! Its all about money, politics and prestige. There is no doubt that tosu would be in the playoff if the situation was reversed here. Watch what happens a few years down the road when this plays out and they let them in over another Big10 team....

[GoHogs1091]

Don't lose to Pitt?
Clemson did.

(Devil's advocate)

The Referee in the Clemson/Pittsburgh game was a University of South Carolina graduate.

Clemson got their revenge against the University of South Carolina a week ago yesterday (56-7).

The ACC Office better not assign that South Carolina graduate Referee to another Clemson game.  Clemson's Athletic Director is not going to put up with shenanigans from a South Carolina graduate who will always be biased when officiating a Clemson game.