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ErieHog

September 17, 2008, 07:17:17 am
Because of my copious amount of free time this month, I've been able to watch the game-tapes of both Alabama and Arkansas in each game this season, and a few things have stood out in review.
I'd like to share my thoughts on it; I really regret not going into coaching actively when I take the time to enjoy film like this.

Arkansas v. Alabama:  A Game Breakdown

Alabama offense:   The Crimson Tide feature a  frequently dominant caliber of offensive line play, particularly in the power run game.  The tackles will both play on Sundays, and are outstanding at the point of attack.    While the Alabama run game is power oriented, it features a one-cut style of attack, and will rotate multiple backs who are more suited to the system than individually supremely talented.   Look for Alabama to hammer the ball early and often; if the tackles are getting their hats on LBs at the second level with any consistency, Alabama will dominate this game. 

Julio Jones is the widely-heralded super-recruit, but all of Alabama's WRs are very effective in playing against man-under zone-over coverages; they play very smart football, and are particularly good outside the hash marks.   They're all very good blocking WRs, and Arkansas DBs will need to be able to get clean from their blocks to help on the edge.

  If, and it's a very big if,  Arkansas can manage to create some negative yardage plays or no gainers on 1st down, look for the Tide to struggle mightily, as they did against Tulane; they simply aren't built to play behind the chains.  Interior line play has to be a Razorback win, if Arkansas is to compete with Alabama-- the DEs just need to keep the tackles engaged to outperform expectations on the edge.   Look for Power O and  Power Toss Sweeps for Alabama on key 3rd down plays of less than 4 yards.

  JPW is still JPW, with all of the complications for Alabama that such entails;  he has a tendency to miss long, rather than underthrow the ball;  Arkansas needs to make him pay with turnovers for overthrowing the ball.   Alabama's TEs are very good, and the backs are capable of catching the ball on the edges; look for JPW to try to establish rhythm with these receivers on the second level, before trying to attack the secondary down the field.  If the Hogs can get pressure, Wilson still has happy feet.  Get him moving, and the Alabama passing game will sputter.


Arkansas on Defense:   

This is the one unit that it's very hard to get a good read on because of the constant shifting of personnel.   The return of 2 key LBs to the rotation should stiffen the run defense somewhat, but the key will likely be Powers making plays with his feet;  if he's engaged with an OL, Alabama will move the ball on the ground.    In theory, he should be used to this-- practicing against McFadden and Jones and the beefy power style of play featured last year should be prime practice experience for facing this Alabama attack.    Forte needs to make plays as well, but the Clemson game should serve as a warning to the Arkansas defense;  Clemson was beaten all night at the point of attack, and their LBs were never clean-- and it wasn't a talent disparity issue.  Alabama simply out-executed Clemson time and again in the running game. Forte simply must stay clean to pursue the ball.

In the secondary, look for the coverages to change quite a bit with the return of experienced LB play; there should be less Cover 3, but  Arkansas will default back to this style if the Crimson Tide are successful on the ground.  The Alabama TEs are going to be the toughest match-up for the Razorbacks in the passing game;  Powers needs to be able to run with the TE in 2nd and 3rd downs for Arkansas to be effective at stopping the pass.  Look for the Hogs to man up on Jones, while rolling the FS back and forth between the WRs as help.  The defense should be at it's most aggressive in the Red Zone, as Alabama has a style of play that is very strong against passive defenses inside the 20. 

Arkansas on offense:   The Hogs need to be able to run the ball against a very stout Alabama front 7, to make the offense multi-dimensional.  Alabama leads the nation in rush defense, and has gotten outstanding play unexpectedly from the LB core, which was a perceived weakness entering this season.    DJ Williams will feature prominently again this week, but look for Lucas Miller or Ben Cleveland to be the other favorites on 3rd down, as they provide favorable match-ups against the Alabama defense, which will have to pick a poison on who to cover with a LB on 3rd down match-ups featuring 2 TEs/SEs in the formation.

If Arkansas struggles running the ball early, giving Alabama's power running attack the ball frequently is a recipe for disaster and another week of a worn-out defense.   Look for the Hogs to run a bit more out of shotgun this week than in previous weeks, as the Bama defense is best spread out and attacked, as their defenders aren't as good in space as they are at cleaning up at the POA.  Arkansas needs a massive step in in play from the guards to make the run-game effective, but such is unlikely against the interior of the Alabama defense.   Look for Alabama to play a lot of  4-2-5 despite being an official 3-4 scheme, and a good bit of  3-3-5 and even some 3-2-6 in Dime situations  if Arkansas isn't moving the ball on the ground.  The new massive 380 pound NG is an absolute rock in the middle for Bama; look for more hurry-up looks to try and wear down the Bama front line.

Arkansas may well struggle in the vertical passing game, as Alabama excels at playing Cover 2 , particularly with Man Under schemes for the backs and TEs.  The middle of the field may be the best vector of attack, though wheel routes and screens have the potential to be big plays as Alabama has been known to over-pursue with it's LB core.

Alabama Special Teams:   This is a huge area of advantage for Alabama, merely by possessing adequate special teams play;   Tiffin has recovered from his early career debacle at Fayetteville, to become one of the better long-distance placekickers in the SEC. Javier Arenas is a high-quality return man, who is capable of flipping the field on his own, despite some breakdowns in special teams blocking that have plagued Alabama early.  The kicking unit does tend to be penalized often, but has been able to overcome that weakness.

Arkansas Special Teams:  So far, they've been 'special' in the Houston Nutt sense.   The placekicking has been a mess, and which Tejada shows up on Saturday may well determine the outcome of the game.   The atmosphere in Fayetteville may be as favorable an opportunity as he receives all year, and he must step up big for Arkansas to have the strategic flexibility to go for 3 rather than 6s when football logic would normally dictate.    The coverage teams should be better, with the return of more defensive depth into the playing rotation.  Still, a few well-placed directional punts might significantly alter the kicking game as a negative for Arkansas.
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Tomhog™

September 17, 2008, 07:24:24 am #1
excellent synopsis, Erie.
 

Wayne Watson

September 17, 2008, 07:29:32 am #2
Good read.  Thanks.
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RazorBassin

September 17, 2008, 07:52:50 am #3
Great read, thanks erie.

MuskogeeHogFan

September 17, 2008, 08:15:23 am #4
Erie....great run down on the game. I agree with a lot of it.

Alabama Offense vs Arkansas Defense: I agree that their intention will be to establish their run game early and through this, control the pace and outcome of the game. It is a must for the Arkansas D-Line to control the LOS. Even a stalemate at the LOS would be a win for the DL and since we average 6 tackles for loss per game, we stand a chance of being effective.

The DL can help disrupt OL play and help keep them off our LB's at the same time by the use of effective slants, but this is a roll of the dice and you are gambling that the offense doesn't run to hole you just vacated.

JPW isn't passing as much or completing(on average) passes for the same distance he did last year. It seems Bama is targeting the 9-10 yard range downfield hoping to take advantage of sucking our LB's in on play action and then hitting the seam underneath the secondary....a dink and dunk kind of passing game that can lull you to sleep until they have a speedy WR turn up the field and burn you for a long completion. We will have to bring our "A" game on defense to beat their offense.

For us it is all going to be all about limiting their running game and forcing them to pass.


Alabama Defense vs. Arkansas Offense: Alabama has the #1 run defense in the country and while their LB's have made a lot of plays, they have been enabled to do so by a strong, big and aggressive DL. So far, no one they have played have been able to make a significant dent in this line. To have success running the football the Hogs will have to utilize blocking angles to help give them any advantage over this athletic DL and find a way to seal off backside pursuit by the LB's. Can they do this? That has a lot to do with the strategy and the tweaks in blocking schemes that the coaching staff chooses to employ this week. Cross blocking, traps and some double teams against this big line, with RB's hitting the hole quickly might be the best method of attack. We need 100 yards rushing to keep them honest, but that may be a tall order and I am expecting 75 yards.

CD will have another big day and most of that needs to come underneath utilizing a lot of play action. Could be that we will see CD in a lot of "sprint out" action this week to frustrate efforts to close the pocket around him. Alabama will be keeping a close eye on DJ so I expect we will see someone else step up as our big play receiver this weekend. I believe CD will throw for at least 275 on Saturday.

Kicking Game: I agree with you Erie that this could very well decide the game. If it comes down to FG's, we need to keep Tiffin outside the 30 where he is just 2 of 5 attempts with 2 having been blocked. Inside the 30 he is rock solid where he has been 4 for 4.

Hopefully our special teams will be, dare I say it, "more special" this week than in the past. They need to be because thier play, either good or bad, can and might have a profound effect on the outcome of this game.
Go Hogs Go!

spdhog

September 17, 2008, 08:18:33 am #5
Great read. VERY impressive!

DeltaBoy

September 17, 2008, 08:20:33 am #6
Great Post!
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Dcace83

September 17, 2008, 08:22:52 am #7
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ErieHog

September 17, 2008, 08:30:26 am #8
Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on September 17, 2008, 08:15:23 am
Erie....great run down on the game. I agree with a lot of it.

Alabama Offense vs Arkansas Defense: I agree that their intention will be to establish their run game early and through this, control the pace and outcome of the game. It is a must for the Arkansas D-Line to control the LOS. Even a stalemate at the LOS would be a win for the DL and since we average 6 tackles for loss per game, we stand a chance of being effective.

The DL can help disrupt OL play and help keep them off our LB's at the same time by the use of effective slants, but this is a roll of the dice and you are gambling that the offense doesn't run to hole you just vacated.

JPW isn't passing as much or completing(on average) passes for the same distance he did last year. It seems Bama is targeting the 9-10 yard range downfield hoping to take advantage of sucking our LB's in on play action and then hitting the seam underneath the secondary....a dink and dunk kind of passing game that can lull you to sleep until they have a speedy WR turn up the field and burn you for a long completion. We will have to bring our "A" game on defense to beat their offense.

For us it is all going to be all about limiting their running game and forcing them to pass.


Alabama Defense vs. Arkansas Offense: Alabama has the #1 run defense in the country and while their LB's have made a lot of plays, they have been enabled to do so by a strong, big and aggressive DL. So far, no one they have played have been able to make a significant dent in this line. To have success running the football the Hogs will have to utilize blocking angles to help give them any advantage over this athletic DL and find a way to seal off backside pursuit by the LB's. Can they do this? That has a lot to do with the strategy and the tweaks in blocking schemes that the coaching staff chooses to employ this week. Cross blocking, traps and some double teams against this big line, with RB's hitting the hole quickly might be the best method of attack. We need 100 yards rushing to keep them honest, but that may be a tall order and I am expecting 75 yards.

CD will have another big day and most of that needs to come underneath utilizing a lot of play action. Could be that we will see CD in a lot of "sprint out" action this week to frustrate efforts to close the pocket around him. Alabama will be keeping a close eye on DJ so I expect we will see someone else step up as our big play receiver this weekend. I believe CD will throw for at least 275 on Saturday.

Kicking Game: I agree with you Erie that this could very well decide the game. If it comes down to FG's, we need to keep Tiffin outside the 30 where he is just 2 of 5 attempts with 2 having been blocked. Inside the 30 he is rock solid where he has been 4 for 4.

Hopefully our special teams will be, dare I say it, "more special" this week than in the past. They need to be because thier play, either good or bad, can and might have a profound effect on the outcome of this game.

A couple of things;  I don't see trap blocking as a solution, as Alabama is too quick for these types of slow developing plays, especially if the LB core isn't over-pursuing.   Kiffin is much more accurate than average from long range; he's a 70% for  his career from 45+ yards.  On JPW, it isn't so much that he's throwing shorter, so much as he's missing deep; throw in their excellent TEs, and its no wonder his YPC is down.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

spudhog

September 17, 2008, 08:51:35 am #9
Great Stuff Erie.

The absolute key to Saturday's game is the run defense and run offense. If we can at least contain their running game, we'll be in it.

Our running game doesn't need to be great but effective. No negative plays and no to's. Not necessarily a ton yards are needed,imo, but I'll be more interested in how many carries we have. What I mean is this. If we only have 15-20 carries, that will not be a good sign for us.

But, if we get around 25-40 carries I'll feel better about our chances.

MuskogeeHogFan

September 17, 2008, 09:19:46 am #10
Quote from: ErieHog on September 17, 2008, 08:30:26 am
A couple of things;  I don't see trap blocking as a solution, as Alabama is too quick for these types of slow developing plays, especially if the LB core isn't over-pursuing.   Kiffin is much more accurate than average from long range; he's a 70% for  his career from 45+ yards.  On JPW, it isn't so much that he's throwing shorter, so much as he's missing deep; throw in their excellent TEs, and its no wonder his YPC is down.

Traps can work even against quicker linemen as long as they aren't long traps like bringing a guard against an offside tackle or end and they can be effective as the D-Lineman that is being trapped doesn't have to be held as long. The key to this is mobile, quick O-Linemen and a RB that hits the hole quickly. Trap blocking can be diminished in effectiveness by the technique of the defensive player, but we shouldn't be running a trap every play. Just my opinion.
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bphi11ips

September 17, 2008, 09:34:36 am #11
Erie,

Your analysis is impressive for a shadetree coach.  I'm sure you would have been a good one. 

I have only seen the Hogs play ULM and caught a little of Bama's victory over Clemson, which has suddenly given their fans and the media hope for a quick return to the glory days.  JPW seems to reserve his best game every year for the Hogs.  We don't match up well against the Tide in any area, as you point out.

Having said that, I have a feeling we'll see a good game Saturday.  To win, I think Arkansas will need at least 3 turnovers, flawless special teams, at least 100 yards rushing, and we'll have to hold Bama to less than 175 yards rushing.  That's a lot to ask of this team, but at home in front of 75,000 fans anything can happen.

I'm still wearing my cardinal colored glasses and picking the Hogs - 28-24.     
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ErieHog

September 17, 2008, 11:45:41 am #12
Quote from: bphi11ips on September 17, 2008, 09:34:36 am
Erie,

Your analysis is impressive for a shadetree coach.  I'm sure you would have been a good one. 

I have only seen the Hogs play ULM and caught a little of Bama's victory over Clemson, which has suddenly given their fans and the media hope for a quick return to the glory days.  JPW seems to reserve his best game every year for the Hogs.  We don't match up well against the Tide in any area, as you point out.

Having said that, I have a feeling we'll see a good game Saturday.  To win, I think Arkansas will need at least 3 turnovers, flawless special teams, at least 100 yards rushing, and we'll have to hold Bama to less than 175 yards rushing.  That's a lot to ask of this team, but at home in front of 75,000 fans anything can happen.

I'm still wearing my cardinal colored glasses and picking the Hogs - 28-24.    

Heh. There was a time I was more than a shadetree coach-- though volunteer assisting at the HS level and running a championship caliber pee-wee squad hardly counts as coaching per sey, I still claim it :)

I do think there is one area we match up well against Alabama; our TEs against their LBs, in space is a mismatch.   They have some weaknesses in pass cover technique particularly, that will pay dividends for Arkansas.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
 

wacohogbill

September 17, 2008, 01:39:55 pm #13
Many thanks to you gentlemen who contributed to this informative, insightful and well written thread.  It is so helpful to people like me who are on the sidelines football background- and knowledge-wise to benefit from your experiences. Wish you would do this every week!!
Thanks again.
Bill

ErieHog

September 17, 2008, 02:00:11 pm #14
Quote from: wacohogbill on September 17, 2008, 01:39:55 pm
Many thanks to you gentlemen who contributed to this informative, insightful and well written thread.  It is so helpful to people like me who are on the sidelines football background- and knowledge-wise to benefit from your experiences. Wish you would do this every week!!
Thanks again.
Bill

Bill,

I plan on doing this for the rest of this month, until I'm in the midst of an intercontinental move; once situated again, I'll try to resume for the rest of the season.   The quality of such evaluations will be contingent on how much film I get to review between games, and the time I have available for writing the brief synopsis.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Rockoutw/yourHogout

September 17, 2008, 02:07:16 pm #15
wow +1

deshahawg

September 17, 2008, 02:15:23 pm #16
Good one. I hope both are defensive and offensive lines are up to the task.

Hognum P.I.

September 17, 2008, 03:26:26 pm #17
Quote from: ErieHog on September 17, 2008, 02:00:11 pm
Bill,

I plan on doing this for the rest of this month, until I'm in the midst of an intercontinental move; once situated again, I'll try to resume for the rest of the season.   The quality of such evaluations will be contingent on how much film I get to review between games, and the time I have available for writing the brief synopsis.

Back across the pond, or another continent?  Good luck with that?
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ErieHog

September 17, 2008, 03:45:02 pm #18
Quote from: pig_sooie27 on September 17, 2008, 03:26:26 pm
Back across the pond, or another continent?  Good luck with that?

Back on the correct side of the Atlantic :)

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Table Rocker

September 17, 2008, 04:00:34 pm #19
perhaps if i watch a game film sans whiskey i might see things this way as well.

well done +1

AirForceHog

September 17, 2008, 04:28:32 pm #20
Great thread. Thanks guys for keeping it football related and bring an unbiased opinion about this game. Go Hogs!!!
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Teague

September 17, 2008, 04:42:01 pm #21
I think that's very good analysis by both of you guys.

Except this:
Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on September 17, 2008, 08:15:23 am
Kicking Game: I agree with you Erie that this could very well decide the game. If it comes down to FG's, we need to keep Tiffin outside the 30 where he is just 2 of 5 attempts with 2 having been blocked. Inside the 30 he is rock solid where he has been 4 for 4.

I keep seeing that 2 for 5 outside the 30 number popping up. I don't know where that is coming from, but it's inaccurate.  He's 5 for 5 from 40 yards or less.  He's 1 for 3 from beyond the 40.  He's made one from 54, grazed the upright from 52, and I don't remember what happened with the other long try.  It may have been blocked.  Tiffin was also injured during one game and freshman corey smith had to take over kicking duties.  He's not as good. 

doleske

September 17, 2008, 04:46:14 pm #22
Great post -thanks for the info.  Excellent summary.

hawgsav1

September 17, 2008, 05:12:21 pm #23
One question regarding the interior line play on Ark offense vs. Bammer defense.  Do you think we make Luigs take on Terrence Cody one on one or do we double him, and if we do, who do we double him with?
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El Puerco

September 17, 2008, 05:18:45 pm #24
If we can't stop the run, we're hosed.

ErieHog

September 17, 2008, 05:37:47 pm #25
Quote from: hawgsav1 on September 17, 2008, 05:12:21 pm
One question regarding the interior line play on Ark offense vs. Bammer defense.  Do you think we make Luigs take on Terrence Cody one on one or do we double him, and if we do, who do we double him with?

We double almost every down, and sometimes triple.   It'll mostly alternate between the guards, depending on the play call, but look for the strong side guard to double down on the NT, with the RB stepping up to take any blitzer through the vacated hole.  Look for some of the RB release routes to also feature 'chipping',  on a delay middle screen, for example.

No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Maximus_Hog

September 17, 2008, 09:05:17 pm #26
Good break down , Thanks !!

MuskogeeHogFan

September 17, 2008, 09:18:43 pm #27
Quote from: Teague on September 17, 2008, 04:42:01 pm
I think that's very good analysis by both of you guys.

Except this:
I keep seeing that 2 for 5 outside the 30 number popping up. I don't know where that is coming from, but it's inaccurate.  He's 5 for 5 from 40 yards or less.  He's 1 for 3 from beyond the 40.  He's made one from 54, grazed the upright from 52, and I don't remember what happened with the other long try.  It may have been blocked.  Tiffin was also injured during one game and freshman corey smith had to take over kicking duties.  He's not as good. 

Check the NCAA stats, it is not inaccurate. He is 4 for 4 from 30 yards or less. He is 2 of 5 from 30 yards or more out, with two of those having been blocked. It isn't made up. It is what it is.
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hawgsav1

September 17, 2008, 09:19:09 pm #28
Quote from: ErieHog on September 17, 2008, 05:37:47 pm
We double almost every down, and sometimes triple.   It'll mostly alternate between the guards, depending on the play call, but look for the strong side guard to double down on the NT, with the RB stepping up to take any blitzer through the vacated hole.  Look for some of the RB release routes to also feature 'chipping',  on a delay middle screen, for example.



If we triple, won't that leave two lanes open for a rushing linebacker to come through?  We can probably have a RB take on a LB along one hole, but doesn't tripling seem kind of risky on a pass play?
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MuskogeeHogFan

September 17, 2008, 09:25:28 pm #29
Quote from: ErieHog on September 17, 2008, 11:45:41 am
Heh. There was a time I was more than a shadetree coach-- though volunteer assisting at the HS level and running a championship caliber pee-wee squad hardly counts as coaching per sey, I still claim it :)

I do think there is one area we match up well against Alabama; our TEs against their LBs, in space is a mismatch.   They have some weaknesses in pass cover technique particularly, that will pay dividends for Arkansas.

Bingo. You hit on it Erie. If we can pass block effectively, our passing game will open up the run game to some extent. Hopefully we will set up some counters and mis-direction for the Sta Puff Marshmallow Man.....get him penetrating in the wrong direction so we can run his big arse past the play as well. If CD releases the ball on the count of 2 or less, we won't see the sacks we have seen so far.

Hope your move goes smoothly, my friend.
Go Hogs Go!

Tideboy

September 17, 2008, 09:28:47 pm #30
Very impressive analysis  :)
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ErieHog

September 17, 2008, 09:48:07 pm #31
Quote from: hawgsav1 on September 17, 2008, 09:19:09 pm
If we triple, won't that leave two lanes open for a rushing linebacker to come through?  We can probably have a RB take on a LB along one hole, but doesn't tripling seem kind of risky on a pass play?


Yes and no; the clog in the middle from a 4 man pile up will mean any additional rushers will have to loop their blitz slightly-- and it's not like even in a triple situation that those dedicated to the NG won't chip.  Look for triples to happen mostly in the running game, or with a  3 step drop if Alabama's getting pressure from the inside-out.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

MuskogeeHogFan

September 17, 2008, 09:52:00 pm #32
Quote from: ErieHog on September 17, 2008, 09:48:07 pm

Yes and no; the clog in the middle from a 4 man pile up will mean any additional rushers will have to loop their blitz slightly-- and it's not like even in a triple situation that those dedicated to the NG won't chip.  Look for triples to happen mostly in the running game, or with a  3 step drop if Alabama's getting pressure from the inside-out.

I hope they do play a 4 man front.....it is to our benefit. I'd rather block a consistent 4 man front than a 3 man with 4 LB's.
Go Hogs Go!

hawgsav1

September 18, 2008, 01:53:14 am #33
Quote from: ErieHog on September 17, 2008, 09:48:07 pm

Yes and no; the clog in the middle from a 4 man pile up will mean any additional rushers will have to loop their blitz slightly-- and it's not like even in a triple situation that those dedicated to the NG won't chip.  Look for triples to happen mostly in the running game, or with a  3 step drop if Alabama's getting pressure from the inside-out.

yeah, tripling seems to make more sense when you're running, because you're mainly concerned about one hole opening up for your running back and his ability to get out into the open field.  Also, you'd want to delay the other linemen or LB from pursuing the RB from behind and catching him. 

That being said, if the other OL chip the other rushers, it seems like it may only delay them a bit and may not provide enough time for the QB to make his reads and throw.  I know you mentioned 3 step drop, but what if the receiver is covered and the QB has to go through his progressions again?  Wouldn't that be a perfect recipe for a sack?  Sorry to keep asking so many questions.  I'm just interested to see how the O-line would attack a 3-4 scheme, especially since it's really rare in college and all of my football knowledge is from attacking 4-3 schemes.
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ErieHog

September 18, 2008, 03:45:33 am #34
Quote from: hawgsav1 on September 18, 2008, 01:53:14 am
yeah, tripling seems to make more sense when you're running, because you're mainly concerned about one hole opening up for your running back and his ability to get out into the open field.  Also, you'd want to delay the other linemen or LB from pursuing the RB from behind and catching him. 

That being said, if the other OL chip the other rushers, it seems like it may only delay them a bit and may not provide enough time for the QB to make his reads and throw.  I know you mentioned 3 step drop, but what if the receiver is covered and the QB has to go through his progressions again?  Wouldn't that be a perfect recipe for a sack?  Sorry to keep asking so many questions.  I'm just interested to see how the O-line would attack a 3-4 scheme, especially since it's really rare in college and all of my football knowledge is from attacking 4-3 schemes.

Pre-snap hot reads are important for just this reason;  if a receiver can't get separation or beat a defender to a spot, then the likelihood of a sack shoots up significantly.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

TerryP

September 18, 2008, 04:18:12 am #35
Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on September 17, 2008, 09:18:43 pm
Check the NCAA stats, it is not inaccurate. He is 4 for 4 from 30 yards or less. He is 2 of 5 from 30 yards or more out, with two of those having been blocked. It isn't made up. It is what it is.

The NCAA stats/site have one of the missed FG's attributed to Leigh when it was Corey Smith that missed the field goal.  Leigh missed a 47 yard attempt versus WKU wide left at the end of the 2nd quarter.  He also missed a 52 yard attempt against Clemson in the 2nd quarter as well, wide right.

The 3rd attempt at a FG over 30 yards was by Corey Smith during the Tulane game.  He hit the upright from 37 yards out also in the second quarter.

The duo is 6-9 this year.  Leigh is 6-8. 

ErieHog

September 18, 2008, 09:36:44 am #36
Quote from: TerryP on September 18, 2008, 04:18:12 am
The NCAA stats/site have one of the missed FG's attributed to Leigh when it was Corey Smith that missed the field goal.  Leigh missed a 47 yard attempt versus WKU wide left at the end of the 2nd quarter.  He also missed a 52 yard attempt against Clemson in the 2nd quarter as well, wide right.

The 3rd attempt at a FG over 30 yards was by Corey Smith during the Tulane game.  He hit the upright from 37 yards out also in the second quarter.

The duo is 6-9 this year.  Leigh is 6-8. 

Yeah;  Tiffin is a quality kicker that is far too frequently disparaged.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

want2be

September 18, 2008, 01:20:19 pm #37
On defense,the  addition of Davis, Forte, and Powers should help the defense alot.Norton should be another asset. I think the dline will be fired up as going in as the underdog. We are going to have to force turnovers to have any advantage on defense.

On offense, Petrino will be going to DJ alot and look for more quick routes to keep the pressure off Casey......He certainly knows he has to throw to set up the run. I look for J Wright and Adams to be on some plays at the same time which hasn't been seen yet this year. With Bama running a man to man, Petrino will also set up some long passes. If our running game can pick up 100 yards, I think our passing game can get over 250.


We HAVE to play big on special teams in all aspects........maybe it is our turn to block a punt! Petrino keeps talking about forcing turnovers and this is just another wrinkle we have not seen.

ErieHog

September 18, 2008, 01:46:44 pm #38
Quote from: want2be on September 18, 2008, 01:20:19 pm
On defense,the  addition of Davis, Forte, and Powers should help the defense alot.Norton should be another asset. I think the dline will be fired up as going in as the underdog. We are going to have to force turnovers to have any advantage on defense.

On offense, Petrino will be going to DJ alot and look for more quick routes to keep the pressure off Casey......He certainly knows he has to throw to set up the run. I look for J Wright and Adams to be on some plays at the same time which hasn't been seen yet this year. With Bama running a man to man, Petrino will also set up some long passes. If our running game can pick up 100 yards, I think our passing game can get over 250.


We HAVE to play big on special teams in all aspects........maybe it is our turn to block a punt! Petrino keeps talking about forcing turnovers and this is just another wrinkle we have not seen.



Norton played extensively against ULM;  we tended to leave him in man situations more than the other corners, and he had some struggles in that role (and the LBs too-  Davis played some)-- so we started shying away from Man Under on 3rd downs, and went back to our standard Cover 3 shell. 

We're not going to throw the ball deep on Alabama, unless it's a busted coverage; they play outstanding in the Cover 2, and keep things in front of them very well.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Pigsknuckles

September 18, 2008, 02:21:57 pm #39
Whats your radio voice like? ARSN may need a guest host from time to time? I'm not kidding.
"the ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"

ErieHog

September 18, 2008, 02:22:34 pm #40
Quote from: Pigsknuckles on September 18, 2008, 02:21:57 pm
Whats your radio voice like? ARSN may need a guest host from time to time? I'm not kidding.

Voice made for TV and a face made for radio :)
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Pigsknuckles

September 18, 2008, 02:37:06 pm #41
Quote from: ErieHog on September 18, 2008, 02:22:34 pm
Voice made for TV and a face made for radio :)

TV killed the radio star eh? Nice post, you could syndicate.
"the ox is slow, but the Earth is patient"

PigPusher

September 18, 2008, 02:53:14 pm #42
Very informed intelligent synopsis. Two thumbs up!
A loyal and proud Hogville Hog since 07-01-2003 "pushing" our hogs: And a loyal Razorback fan since 1954.

want2be

September 18, 2008, 02:55:52 pm #43
Quote from: Ar_Hog on September 18, 2008, 02:52:55 pm
Great analysis Erie!

Great special teams play, better blocking by our RB's, more shotgun formations and receivers hanging on to the football will be key for an Arkansas victory.

GHGF!



Watching M Smith pick up a 250 lb linebacker on a blitz may be ugly

We better see more quick passes to keep the linebackers honest

ErieHog

September 18, 2008, 02:57:06 pm #44
Quote from: want2be on September 18, 2008, 02:55:52 pm


Watching M Smith pick up a 250 lb linebacker on a blitz may be ugly

We better see more quick passes to keep the linebackers honest

Alabama is very selective in their blitz packages; it almost seems they prefer to bring a corner or a safety lined up over the slot on 3rd and long to an OLB.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

EastTexasHog

September 18, 2008, 04:24:35 pm #45
This thread is one of the few serious threads I've seen on Hogville, and I hope we see this analysis for each of the games to come.  Thanks.

MuskogeeHogFan

September 18, 2008, 04:32:00 pm #46
Quote from: want2be on September 18, 2008, 01:20:19 pm
On defense,the  addition of Davis, Forte, and Powers should help the defense alot.Norton should be another asset. I think the dline will be fired up as going in as the underdog. We are going to have to force turnovers to have any advantage on defense.

On offense, Petrino will be going to DJ alot and look for more quick routes to keep the pressure off Casey......He certainly knows he has to throw to set up the run. I look for J Wright and Adams to be on some plays at the same time which hasn't been seen yet this year. With Bama running a man to man, Petrino will also set up some long passes. If our running game can pick up 100 yards, I think our passing game can get over 250.


We HAVE to play big on special teams in all aspects........maybe it is our turn to block a punt! Petrino keeps talking about forcing turnovers and this is just another wrinkle we have not seen.



We are going to have to hit some quick, play action, "pop" passes to TE's or someone in the "slot' that drags behind the LB's to back them off and open up the running game. If we can do this effectively, we will get some rushing yards and that will open up the passing game even more. CD's reads(and "hot" reads) at the line of scrimmage are going to be key to our success this week and then of course, the O-Line coming through. Offensively, if we can accomplish these things, we will get our yards. The defense has to step up and "limit" the Alabama run game and force them to throw. If we do this, we will be successful against Alabama.
Go Hogs Go!

ErieHog

September 18, 2008, 04:34:25 pm #47
Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on September 18, 2008, 04:32:00 pm
We are going to have to hit some quick, play action, "pop" passes to TE's or someone in the "slot' that drags behind the LB's to back them off and open up the running game. If we can do this effectively, we will get some rushing yards and that will open up the passing game even more. CD's reads(and "hot" reads) at the line of scrimmage are going to be key to our success this week and then of course, the O-Line coming through. Offensively, if we can accomplish these things, we will get our yards. The defense has to step up and "limit" the Alabama run game and force them to throw. If we do this, we will be successful against Alabama.

As bad as our guard play has been, I really don't look for much in the way of true play action.  Hot reads will be much more important;  look for the Bubble screen to be used to keep Alabama on it's heels a little if it looks like they're pinning their ears back and are coming heavy for Casey.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

MuskogeeHogFan

September 18, 2008, 04:36:09 pm #48
Quote from: ErieHog on September 18, 2008, 04:34:25 pm
As bad as our guard play has been, I really don't look for much in the way of true play action.  Hot reads will be much more important;  look for the Bubble screen to be used to keep Alabama on it's heels a little if it looks like they're pinning their ears back and are coming heavy for Casey.

In my estimation, the ENTIRE O-Line has to show up this week or we are screwed. Same could be said of the D-Line as well.
Go Hogs Go!

ErieHog

September 18, 2008, 04:43:39 pm #49
Quote from: MuskogeeHogFan on September 18, 2008, 04:36:09 pm
In my estimation, the ENTIRE O-Line has to show up this week or we are screwed. Same could be said of the D-Line as well.

Well, the C and T play has actually been very solid; it is the guards in particular that have been absolutely atrocious so far this year.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."
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