Game 1 NLCS highlights on jumbo-tron?

[ErieHog]

Please expound on that statement so I can understand your reasoning. I'm not acquainted with any Cardinals fans that are comparable to Red Sox fans.

I think your tolerable view of Giants/Tigers fans is because you just don't find many of them outside of their geographic ranges. I've always liked the Tigers though, I've always thought they have the one of the best hats in baseball.

I disagree with the you on the Braves; their fans became pretty rabidly obnoxious, but that's just my opinion.

How can you not be acquainted with the type?

IF you live in NWA, turn on 1190's early morning show;  Grant Hall is a poster child of exactly what I describe.   Discussing women's golf?  Gotta bring a Cardinal anecdote into it.   Talking about playoff football?  It relates directly to the Cardinals'  last World Series loss.

I know several of both Giants and Tigers fans, but they can at least keep the baseball side of things related to baseball;  it isn't a prevalence issue-- it is an attitude issue.

[redeye]

ErieHog, you obviously have problems that extend beyond the scope of this conversation and are only here to criticize Cardinals fans.  I don't know what those problems are, but I don't think you'd be wasting so much time here, if Cardinals fans simply annoyed you.

So, have fun criticizing Cardinals fans and I'll continue to enjoy the Cardinals have success.  Nothing more needs to be said.

[ErieHog]

ErieHog, you obviously have problems that extend beyond the scope of this conversation and are only here to criticize Cardinals fans.  I don't know what those problems are, but I don't think you'd be wasting so much time here, if Cardinals fans simply annoyed you.

So, have fun criticizing Cardinals fans and I'll continue to enjoy the Cardinals have success.  Nothing more needs to be said.

As usual, more deflection-   "You don't like the Cardinals or their fans?  You must have serious problems."

It'd be a tremendous service to everyone, if Cardinals fans could simply enjoy the success of their team, and quit treating the State of Arkansas and its media like an extension of their franchise.

[jrulz83]

How can you not be acquainted with the type?

IF you live in NWA, turn on 1190's early morning show;  Grant Hall is a poster child of exactly what I describe.   Discussing women's golf?  Gotta bring a Cardinal anecdote into it.   Talking about playoff football?  It relates directly to the Cardinals'  last World Series loss.

I know several of both Giants and Tigers fans, but they can at least keep the baseball side of things related to baseball;  it isn't a prevalence issue-- it is an attitude issue.

I said I'm not acquainted with Cardinals fans that are like Boston fans, now you're changing it to the "type".

So, Cardinals fans are the worst in all of sports because they use examples of Cardinal baseball when they talk sports. Okay then......

I guess I just don't get what the big deal is. I wouldn't be offended as you are acting if somebody brought say, the Pirates into it. I think you just need to put on your big girl panties and deal with it.

An attitude issue? People are proud of the success of a team that they support, what do you expect them to do? Only talk about baseball when it's baseball season?

[hogsanity]

As usual, more deflection-   "You don't like the Cardinals or their fans?  You must have serious problems."

It'd be a tremendous service to everyone, if Cardinals fans could simply enjoy the success of their team, and quit treating the State of Arkansas and its media like an extension of their franchise.

That's the thing.  Cards fans act like anyone living between Louisville and Springfield, east to west, and Sioux city and Shreveport north to south, must have something wrong with them if they are not a Cards fan. And that those people must not have much baseball IQ either.

[redeye]

As usual, more deflection-   "You don't like the Cardinals or their fans?  You must have serious problems."

It'd be a tremendous service to everyone, if Cardinals fans could simply enjoy the success of their team, and quit treating the State of Arkansas and its media like an extension of their franchise.

According to you, the media is treating itself as an extension of the Cardinals franchise.  For example, you mentioned radio hosts talking about the Cardinals too much.  So you blaming Cardinals fans is misplaced, isn't it?

Honestly, you're wading into silly waters, so save yourself before I drown in laughter.

[ErieHog]

I said I'm not acquainted with Cardinals fans that are like Boston fans, now you're changing it to the "type".

So, Cardinals fans are the worst in all of sports because they use examples of Cardinal baseball when they talk sports. Okay then......

I guess I just don't get what the big deal is. I wouldn't be offended as you are acting if somebody brought say, the Pirates into it. I think you just need to put on your big girl panties and deal with it.

An attitude issue? People are proud of the success of a team that they support, what do you expect them to do? Only talk about baseball when it's baseball season?

It doesn't even have to be sports related, for a Cardinal fan to crap on a conversation, by injecting the Cardinals into it.     It is systemic, it is pervasive, and it is noxious to those of us who would rather talk about anything else, on its own merits, rather than the Cardinals.

There are plenty of proud, decent fans of very successful franchises-- they don't, however, make everything in any conversation relate to the success of their baseball team.

I'd be curious as to how you like people talking about the Patriot Way,  or extolling the merits of Kentucky basketball.    If you object to those things, it is worth a long, hard look in the mirror.  That's who you are, to everyone else.

According to you, the media is treating itself as an extension of the Cardinals franchise.  For example, you mentioned radio hosts talking about the Cardinals too much.  So you blaming Cardinals fans is misplaced, isn't it?

Honestly, you're wading into silly waters, so save yourself before I drown in laughter.

No, it isn't.   We're held captive by the Cardinals base, not because it generates huge ratings, but because it is dominated by people who are stuck in the Cardinal bubble.

It is only silly to Cardinal fans--  the blind and the blank, all in one package.

[popcornhog]

The only people it seems a stretch to are Cardinals fans ;  that's not sinking in, obviously. 

Entitlement thinking from sports worst entitlement fanbase.

Here's what I take issue with Erie. The idea that Cardinals fans are entitled. I take no issue with you disliking the Cards. I dislike the Reds, that's sports, right?

Main Entry: en·ti·tle·ment
Pronunciation: \-ˈtī-təl-mənt\
Function: noun
Date: 1942
1 a :  the state or condition of being entitled :  right b :  a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract 2 :  a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group ; also :  funds supporting or distributed by such a program 3 :  belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges

Obviously you're referencing the 3rd definition. What privileges do you think that we believe that we deserve? I clarified the OP -- I don't believe that we are entitled to see Cards highlights at the Razorback game. Rather, I said that I would appreciate it and that many other Razorback fans would appreciate it, given the concentration of Cards fans in Arkansas and the historical ties between the Cards and the people of Arkansas.

I don't see how that is a sense if entitlement. I also think it would be nice if the UA would give me $1 million. But I don't feel entitled to it.

[ErieHog]

Here's what I take issue with Erie. The idea that Cardinals fans are entitled. I take no issue with you disliking the Cards. I dislike the Reds, that's sports, right?

Main Entry: en·ti·tle·ment
Pronunciation: \-ˈtī-təl-mənt\
Function: noun
Date: 1942
1 a :  the state or condition of being entitled :  right b :  a right to benefits specified especially by law or contract 2 :  a government program providing benefits to members of a specified group ; also :  funds supporting or distributed by such a program 3 :  belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges

Obviously you're referencing the 3rd definition. What privileges do you think that we believe that we deserve? I clarified the OP -- I don't believe that we are entitled to see Cards highlights at the Razorback game. Rather, I said that I would appreciate it and that many other Razorback fans would appreciate it, given the concentration of Cards fans in Arkansas and the historical ties between the Cards and the people of Arkansas.

I don't see how that is a sense if entitlement. I also think it would be nice if the UA would give me $1 million. But I don't feel entitled to it.

Look at the thread topic, if you want a classic example.   You'd appreciate it if the athletic department  would do what you think is right, and right for many other Hog fans of the Cardinal stripe, because hey, Arkansas=Cardinals.    That's the sort of poison that turns non-Cardinal fans against Cardinal fans.

[jrulz83]

It doesn't even have to be sports related, for a Cardinal fan to crap on a conversation, by injecting the Cardinals into it.     It is systemic, it is pervasive, and it is noxious to those of us who would rather talk about anything else, on its own merits, rather than the Cardinals.

There are plenty of proud, decent fans of very successful franchises-- they don't, however, make everything in any conversation relate to the success of their baseball team.

I'd be curious as to how you like people talking about the Patriot Way,  or extolling the merits of Kentucky basketball.    If you object to those things, it is worth a long, hard look in the mirror.  That's who you are, to everyone else.

No, it isn't.   We're held captive by the Cardinals base, not because it generates huge ratings, but because it is dominated by people who are stuck in the Cardinal bubble.

It is only silly to Cardinal fans--  the blind and the blank, all in one package.

How do you know what I am? I can't find it, but I posted more than once that I was tired of the talk about the Cardinal Way that was ongoing in the media last year. It made it sound like they were the only franchise that knew how to do things the right way. It got old.

I don't talk any sports unless it is with people that I know I can talk with about it. i.e. I only talk Cardinals baseball if it is with other Cardinals fans. Same thing for the Razorbacks. I guess I'm the outlier of Cardinals and Razorbacks fans.

I don't care if fans want to talk that stuff until they are blue in the face, but I'm not (like you) going to tell them how stupid and narcissistic it is of them to do it THEY'RE FANS.

So, any mention of the Cardinals ruins whole conversations? Wow, you're a delicate little flower. I guess I'm just not that sensitive to such things.

[popcornhog]

Look at the thread topic, if you want a classic example.   You'd appreciate it if the athletic department  would do what you think is right, and right for many other Hog fans of the Cardinal stripe, because hey, Arkansas=Cardinals.    That's the sort of poison that turns non-Cardinal fans against Cardinal fans.

That does not fit the definition of entitlement.

[ErieHog]

That does not fit the definition of entitlement.

It fits the definition perfectly.

It is the personification of 3 :   belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges

[ErieHog]

How do you know what I am? I can't find it, but I posted more than once that I was tired of the talk about the Cardinal Way that was ongoing in the media last year. It made it sound like they were the only franchise that knew how to do things the right way. It got old.

I don't talk any sports unless it is with people that I know I can talk with about it. i.e. I only talk Cardinals baseball if it is with other Cardinals fans. Same thing for the Razorbacks. I guess I'm the outlier of Cardinals and Razorbacks fans.

I don't care if fans want to talk that stuff until they are blue in the face, but I'm not (like you) going to tell them how stupid and narcissistic it is of them to do it THEY'RE FANS.

So, any mention of the Cardinals ruins whole conversations? Wow, you're a delicate little flower. I guess I'm just not that sensitive to such things.

As usual, the salient point sails above the head of the Cardinals fan.

When you make the Cardinals the focus of any conversation outside of baseball, you are being 'that guy',  you make your franchise look bad, and contributing to the well-earned reputation of Cardinals fans as being awful.

Maybe you are the rare Cardinal fan that doesn't do these things;  if so, it is commendable--- but the every day encounters with members of your fan base, by non-fans, are pretty noxious. 

[jrulz83]

As usual, the salient point sails above the head of the Cardinals fan.

When you make the Cardinals the focus of any conversation outside of baseball, you are being 'that guy',  you make your franchise look bad, and contributing to the well-earned reputation of Cardinals fans as being awful.

Maybe you are the rare Cardinal fan that doesn't do these things;  if so, it is commendable--- but the every day encounters with members of your fan base, by non-fans, are pretty noxious.

Every day encounters for me with opposing fans aren't noxious. I just smile and when I get away from them call them idiots and that's the end of it. I don't take such things so seriously though, I guess I just don't understand it and suppose I never will.

Thanks for calling me stupid by the way, it really helps your argument.

[ErieHog]

Every day encounters for me with opposing fans aren't noxious. I just smile and when I get away from them call them idiots and that's the end of it. I don't take such things so seriously though, I guess I just don't understand it and suppose I never will.

Thanks for calling me stupid by the way, it really helps your argument.

I didn't call you stupid.  I simply said you were missing the point, in the same way Cardinals fans tend to miss the point, repeatedly.       Your inability to remove yourself from the Cardinal Bubble demonstrates the problem perfectly.

[Dr. Starcs]

I got chastised last year I believe for lumping in mizzou fans with cardinal nation. It was astonishing for me to lump the razorback/cardinal fan base in with those mizzou lovers too. They didnt take too kindly to that but I was simply pointing out that a large plurality (popcornhog reference) have some common interests. Lol

Also, I have a fun game. Take a shot any time popcorn hog mentions "plurality" in this thread.

[Rocky&Boarwinkle]

As usual, more deflection-   "You don't like the Cardinals or their fans?  You must have serious problems."

It'd be a tremendous service to everyone, if Cardinals fans could simply enjoy the success of their team, and quit treating the State of Arkansas and its media like an extension of their franchise.

You do seem to have a completely unnatural hatred of and fixation on the Cardinals.  Much more than anyone else in this thread.  Obviously they shouldn't show Cardinals highlights on our jumbotron, etc.  But to somehow equate Cardinals fans with some of the most obnoxious fans in that sport is amusing to me.  I grew up listening to Cardinals games on the radio with my great grandfather in the 70s in Baxter County.  Both sides of my family going way back in Arkansas have been fans through thick and thin, during many lean decades.  I have run into many more obnoxious Brave fans throughout the years.  And to give you more fuel for your fire, no other national league team comes close to the number of World Series appearances and crowns.

I think you are just a jealous hater.   

[jrulz83]

I didn't call you stupid.  I simply said you were missing the point, in the same way Cardinals fans tend to miss the point, repeatedly.       Your inability to remove yourself from the Cardinal Bubble demonstrates the problem perfectly.

Lol I'm not in any bubble, the sweeping generalizations you make are laughable. I've said I got tired of the Cardinal Way talk, I don't talk about the Cardinals in normal conversation unless it is brought up (never by me unless I know the audience is receptive).

If I and Cardinals fans continually and repeatedly miss points that are obvious, we can't be anything but lacking of intelligence. That's the implication that you're making. Don't try to sidestep what you implied.

[popcornhog]

It fits the definition perfectly.

It is the personification of 3 :   belief that one is deserving of or entitled to certain privileges

But I do not believe that I (nor do any cardinals fans that I know of) am entitled to or deserving of seeing highlights on the jumbo tron. I would enjoy seeing it though. And I think that it would probably be a good business move to give League Championship updates and highlights at dead spots.

I'm not sure whether you're missing the distinction, purposefully being obtuse, or just trolling.

[ErieHog]

But I do not believe that I (nor do any cardinals fans that I know of) am entitled to or deserving of seeing highlights on the jumbo tron. I would enjoy seeing it though. And I think that it would probably be a good business move to give League Championship updates and highlights at dead spots.

I'm not sure whether you're missing the distinction, purposefully being obtuse, or just trolling.

No, I'm pointing out why you aren't seeing why it is entitlement.

It would never occur to anyone but Cardinal fans to even ask about it in the first place

That's the disconnect.

[ErieHog]

Lol I'm not in any bubble, the sweeping generalizations you make are laughable. I've said I got tired of the Cardinal Way talk, I don't talk about the Cardinals in normal conversation unless it is brought up (never by me unless I know the audience is receptive).

If I and Cardinals fans continually and repeatedly miss points that are obvious, we can't be anything but lacking of intelligence. That's the implication that you're making. Don't try to sidestep what you implied.

No, that's just a manifestation of insecurity;   no one is calling Cardinal fans stupid-- just blind.

[popcornhog]

No, I'm pointing out why you aren't seeing why it is entitlement.

It would never occur to anyone but Cardinal fans to even ask about it in the first place

That's the disconnect.

Call it what you want, but characterizing it as a sense of entitlement demonstrates a lack of understanding of the English language. I think you're just trolling Cards fans though -- I know you to be a thoughtful and intelligent poster.

They show Cards highlights at Mizzou games. There's no connection between Mizzou and the Cardinals. Granted Columbia is likely more of a major Cardinal market than Fayetteville, but still.

I can also tell you that they show scores if other football games during our games at DWRRS. I also know that they show Dodger and Angel updates at UCLA games. So no, this isn't just some weird Cardinal fantasy.

And I can tell you that I won't be angry at the UA if they don't show updates. I will appreciate it if they do though. That does not fit the bill for an entitled mentality.

[jrulz83]

No, that's just a manifestation of insecurity;   no one is calling Cardinal fans stupid-- just blind.

What fans aren't blind when discussing "their" team? I'd argue that Razorback fans are the blindest of them all.

Thanks for telling me I'm insecure. Again, it really helps your (I guess) attempt to educate us blind Cardinals fans.

[ErieHog]

Call it what you want, but characterizing it as a sense of entitlement demonstrates a lack of understanding of the English language. I think you're just trolling Cards fans though -- I know you to be a thoughtful and intelligent poster.

I'm dead serious;  it is exactly Entitlement mentality-- and the inability to see it, is the classic bubble mentality that is so disturbing to those of us outside of that bubble.   

They show Cards highlights at Mizzou games. There's no connection between Mizzou and the Cardinals. Granted Columbia is likely more of a major Cardinal market than Fayetteville, but still.

One of these things is not like the other;  in Columbia (and metro St. Louis, and most of Eastern Missouri),   Cardinals allegiance rates are well over twice as high--  in Boone County, just a hair shy of 70% of the population identifies as Cardinal fans;  in Washington County? 25%.

I can also tell you that they show scores if other football games during our games at DWRRS. I also know that they show Dodger and Angel updates at UCLA games. So no, this isn't just some weird Cardinal fantasy.

When you ask for a special policy, unique for the Cardinals, compared to anything else that institution does, yes, it is a weird Cardinal fantasy.   This area does not belong to the Cardinals.  Eventually, maybe, you'll understand that.  I'm not holding out hope.

And I can tell you that I won't be angry at the UA if they don't show updates. I will appreciate it if they do though. That does not fit the bill for an entitled mentality.

When you start a thread asking for something, based on a patently false presumption that Razorbacks=Cardinals, yes,  it is the very definition of entitlement thinking.

[ErieHog]

What fans aren't blind when discussing "their" team? I'd argue that Razorback fans are the blindest of them all.

Thanks for telling me I'm insecure. Again, it really helps your (I guess) attempt to educate us blind Cardinals fans.

Most.  There are only a few fanbases that earn the label of being insufferable.    Yankees fans, Red Sox fans, Cowboy fans, Cardinal fans..... the usual suspects.

It does help, yes.   When you put the very behaviors that are so objectionable directly under the microscope, it tends to work extremely well as an illustrative point.

[clutch]

A lot of stretching going on in here.

[Hogfaniam]

A lot of stretching going on in here.

This thread needs a tape measure

[Rocky&Boarwinkle]

Most.  There are only a few fanbases that earn the label of being insufferable.    Yankees fans, Red Sox fans, Cowboy fans, Cardinal fans..... the usual suspects.

It does help, yes.   When you put the very behaviors that are so objectionable directly under the microscope, it tends to work extremely well as an illustrative point.

Your usual suspects are very successful franchises historically.

To me you sound like a jealous hater.  Maybe you should follow a more successful franchise or better yet, just not worry about it.

[ErieHog]

Your usual suspects are very successful franchises historically.

To me you sound like a jealous hater.  Maybe you should follow a more successful franchise or better yet, just not worry about it.

If it were possible to escape the worst sort of Cardinal fans in day to day living in Arkansas,  it'd be much easier.   

Jealousy implies that it is tied to success; the Cardinals could lose 100 games a year for a decade, and the same Babbling Cardinal Bubble.    It was as true from 1988 to 2003, as it is today.   

[jrulz83]

If it were possible to escape the worst sort of Cardinal fans in day to day living in Arkansas,  it'd be much easier.   

Jealousy implies that it is tied to success; the Cardinals could lose 100 games a year for a decade, and the same Babbling Cardinal Bubble.    It was as true from 1988 to 2003, as it is today.

You can escape it.....leave

I think the worst sort of Cardinal fan to you has the same mindset as the average Razorback fan does to the rest of the world.

[Rocky&Boarwinkle]

If it were possible to escape the worst sort of Cardinal fans in day to day living in Arkansas,  it'd be much easier.   

Jealousy implies that it is tied to success; the Cardinals could lose 100 games a year for a decade, and the same Babbling Cardinal Bubble.    It was as true from 1988 to 2003, as it is today.

Well, citing the statistical maps used in this thread, you only have to wait another 30 years for the percentages to drop below the current 40 percent or so, and then there won't be any more fans to deal with than any other franchise.

[ErieHog]

You can escape it.....leave

I think the worst sort of Cardinal fan to you has the same mindset as the average Razorback fan does to the rest of the world.

And leave a nice state to the likes of Cardinals fans?  Heavens no.

[ErieHog]

Well, citing the statistical maps used in this thread, you only have to wait another 30 years for the percentages to drop below the current 40 percent or so, and then there won't be any more fans to deal with than any other franchise.

Actually, no.  It is already well south of that 40% mark, unless baseball fans are radically different in population dispersal than general residents.     In the biggest jurisdictions in the state,  it is usually healthily south of 30% already.

Cardinal fans continue to behave like they constitute 60%+ of the population, though.

[jrulz83]

And leave a nice state to the likes of Cardinals fans?  Heavens no.

But there's not that many of them, so it really wouldn't matter.

[ErieHog]

But there's not that many of them, so it really wouldn't matter.

It is a problem that is shifting in size, thanks to demographics.   That is likely the only long term cure.

[Rocky&Boarwinkle]

Actually, no.  It is already well south of that 40% mark, unless baseball fans are radically different in population dispersal than general residents.     In the biggest jurisdictions in the state,  it is usually healthily south of 30% already.

Cardinal fans continue to behave like they constitute 60%+ of the population, though.

My county is 51%.  So from where I sit it isn't south of that mark.   

[ErieHog]

My county is 51%.  So from where I sit it isn't south of that mark.   

There is one county in Arkansas that still hit 70%, IIRC.  Thankfully, the bulk of the population rests in counties and zip codes in the mid to high 20s.

[southarkhog06]

That's the thing.  Cards fans act like anyone living between Louisville and Springfield, east to west, and Sioux city and Shreveport north to south, must have something wrong with them if they are not a Cards fan. And that those people must not have much baseball IQ either.

as a cubs fan i find this so true. I hang with a bunch of NL east fans on a regular basis, and we almost had to stop the cards guys from hanging with us cuz anytime my pirates friends would say anything good about the pirates recent success they would just get hammered by the cards fans, i would take some abuse when i would talk about the cubs farm system and the future looking bright, and so on. Its not just those guys either i went to a hog baseball game wearing my cubs hat a few years ago and finally had to buy a hog hat and switch to keep the peace. I never had this problem with brewers fans when they won a couple NL east titles.

[hogsanity]

as a cubs fan i find this so true. I hang with a bunch of NL east fans on a regular basis, and we almost had to stop the cards guys from hanging with us cuz anytime my pirates friends would say anything good about the pirates recent success they would just get hammered by the cards fans, i would take some abuse when i would talk about the cubs farm system and the future looking bright, and so on. Its not just those guys either i went to a hog baseball game wearing my cubs hat a few years ago and finally had to buy a hog hat and switch to keep the peace. I never had this problem with brewers fans when they won a couple NL east titles.

one of my good friends is a Red Sox fan, but I have always been able to sit down and talk baseball with him.  You can't do that with Cards fans. Everything always comes back to Cardinals baseball. Their farm system is better than everyone elses because...... There trades are smarter than everyone elses because..........  They would dominate any division because............

One day he and I were talking the differences in the Braves and Red Sox minor league pitching philosophies, and here comes a Cards fan, from the next table, with " Well, if those two managed their minor league pitchers like the cards do "  he didnt even get to finish before we both told him to turn around and shut up.

[popcornhog]

And leave a nice state to the likes of Cardinals fans?  Heavens no.

FYI, they still sell Cardinals memorabilia at DWRRS and at the hotels in the silent auctions alongside Razorback memorabilia. Further evidence that the people of Arkansas are linked to the Cardinals.

WPS

[ErieHog]

FYI, they still sell Cardinals memorabilia at DWRRS and at the hotels in the silent auctions alongside Razorback memorabilia. Further evidence that the people of Arkansas are linked to the Cardinals.

WPS

Proof that we need to scourge our athletic program of Cardinal Drones.   

Wishing something is so,  does not make it so.    Cardinal fans need to learn this lesson.

[popcornhog]

Proof that we need to scourge our athletic program of Cardinal Drones.   

Wishing something is so,  does not make it so.    Cardinal fans need to learn this lesson.

Haha. No rational thought with you on this topic, huh? You have made some very good points and I clearly overstated the tie between the Cardinals and Arkansas fans. But you are in denial my friend.

This is truly shocking to me because you are one of the most thoughtful posters on hogville on every other topic.

Oh well, WPS.

[ErieHog]

Haha. No rational thought with you on this topic, huh? You have made some very good points and I clearly overstated the tie between the Cardinals and Arkansas fans. But you are in denial my friend.

This is truly shocking to me because you are one of the most thoughtful posters on hogville on every other topic.

Oh well, WPS.

A Cardinal fan saying someone else is being irrational or in denial?  That's rich.

Its truly shocking to me how any rational person can defend Cardinals fans.

[mhuff]

A Cardinal fan saying someone else is being irrational or in denial?  That's rich.

Its truly shocking to me how any rational person can defend Cardinals fans.

Do you write your posts on LSD?

[clutch]

A Cardinal fan saying someone else is being irrational or in denial?  That's rich.

Its truly shocking to me how any rational person can defend Cardinals fans.

Almost as shocking as your inability to give any Cardinals fan credit for being rational. Most sports fans are irrational, but that doesn't mean that all of them are. The fact that you lump a whole fan base together is just as bad. Trying to make your point on every argument as saying "ha, coming from a Cardinals fan" isn't any better.

[ErieHog]

Almost as shocking as your inability to give any Cardinals fan credit for being rational. Most sports fans are irrational, but that doesn't mean that all of them are. The fact that you lump a whole fan base together is just as bad. Trying to make your point on every argument as saying "ha, coming from a Cardinals fan" isn't any better.

To the contrary, I've lauded any Cardinal fan that can disconnect from the Bubble.     The problem is, that such people are a tiny, tiny fragment of their fan base.

The amazing amount of insecurity demonstrated by Cardinals fans, pretty much makes my argument for me.

[clutch]

To the contrary, I've lauded any Cardinal fan that can disconnect from the Bubble.     The problem is, that such people are a tiny, tiny fragment of their fan base.

The amazing amount of insecurity demonstrated by Cardinals fans, pretty much makes my argument for me.

However, the parameters of that bubble are set by you. No matter what is said, the bubble covers it.

[ErieHog]

However, the parameters of that bubble are set by you. No matter what is said, the bubble covers it.

No, the parameters of that bubble are set by the behavior of Cardinals fans.   Sure, there are respectful, decent Cardinals fans.   I feel a tiny bit bad for those people.

If you can't recognize that the Cardinals receive disproportionate coverage here, believe there is an entitled link to Arkansas sports, or that the Cardinals hold any special place, then you are inside the bubble.

It really is that simple.

[mhuff]

However, the parameters of that bubble are set by you. No matter what is said, the bubble covers it.

Clutch, it is obvious that Eriehog came on here with one intent. It is to troll the Cardinal fans and try to get a rise out of them. Don't feed the trolls. They just try to cause chaos..... from the debil. 

[popcornhog]

A Cardinal fan saying someone else is being irrational or in denial?  That's rich.

Its truly shocking to me how any rational person can defend Cardinals fans.

I'm not defending the Cardinals. Hell, I think we've got the 4th best team left in the post season.

I don't expect to win the World Series. No  irrational expectations here. Especially with Waino banged up and Bumgarner pitching so well. The Giants have taken back home field and are all but certain to win Game 5.

Games 2-4 are exceedingly critical now if the Catdinals are to advance.