Kingsley Not Even In 2016 Mock Draft

[hogwood]

On nbadraft.net, probably the most reliable mock draft IMO. Just updated a few days ago.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft

FWIW Portis would have been a top 10 pick in this draft. Qualls, had he avoided the ACL injury, could have snuck into the 1st round even. This draft is weak. IMO staying in school is usually the better option still.

[The Hogfather]

We could've been studly this season had everyone stayed (Portis/Qualls/Babb).  Oh well.  It is what it is. 

[The_Iceman]

The thing about the NBA is they draft more on potential than anything. Sometimes staying an extra year just reveals more holes in your game.

However, if Portis and Qualls had stayed one more year and taken this team to the Elite 8, then that exposure could have gotten Portis in the Top 10 or Top 5, and Qualls into the Top 25.

You just never know. Portis should have gone much higher than he did last year.

[Hawg Red]

I prefer DraftExpress to NBADraft.net. Much more comprehensive, much more content. Jonathan Givony also has some really good sources.

[hogwood]

We could've been studly this season had everyone stayed (Portis/Qualls/Babb).  Oh well.  It is what it is.

Yeah I know... Would have been a totally different season with much different talk around the program. Recruiting would've gotten a boost too. Portis and Qualls would've done wonders for us and our future had they stayed one more year. Oh well...

[hogwood]

I prefer DraftExpress to NBADraft.net. Much more comprehensive, much more content. Jonathan Givony also has some really good sources.

Thanks I'll check it out too.

[zebradynasty]

On nbadraft.net, probably the most reliable mock draft IMO. Just updated a few days ago.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft

FWIW Portis would have been a top 10 pick in this draft. Qualls, had he avoided the ACL injury, could have snuck into the 1st round even. This draft is weak. IMO staying in school is usually the better option still.

Sincerely hope the young man pays attention to this! He is not ready and no NBA team is willing to give him their money until he is ready! At least not this year.

[hogwood]

Sincerely hopes the young man pays attention to this! He is not ready and no NBA team is willing to give him their money until he is ready! At least not this year.

Yeah me too. He's not on DraftExpress either.

[Captain Morgan]

On nbadraft.net, probably the most reliable mock draft IMO. Just updated a few days ago.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft

FWIW Portis would have been a top 10 pick in this draft. Qualls, had he avoided the ACL injury, could have snuck into the 1st round even. This draft is weak. IMO staying in school is usually the better option still.

I don't think this draft is weak at all. Just lacks ready now guards. Jakob Poeltl is going to be a 10 year NBA big.
Ben Simmons has HOF upside. Ben Simmons floor outside of injury is still probably an all star player.
I like Dragon Bender, I believe the Croatian has all star upside. Outside Simmons he's my favorite player in this draft.
Ivan Rabb is a good big man that has upside as his feet are real good around the basket.
Despite his limited minutes at Kentucky, Skai LeBiessere is going to be a coaching dream with all his tools and limited years playing The sport. He could be Chris Bosh or he could bust but he's still an excellent draft prospect.
The guards are the only thing I don't like about this draft but I'm not calling it weak by any stretch. There are good players in this upcoming draft that will be difference makers and stars. 

[Razorbackers]

Kingsley doesn't have the range that BP had. His game isn't as complete. Plus he goes through bad dry stretches. Another year here will do him some good. If he leaves, he's probably heading to Europe.

[Hawg Red]

I don't think this draft is weak at all. Just lacks ready now guards. Jakob Poeltl is going to be a 10 year NBA big.
Ben Simmons has HOF upside. Ben Simmons floor outside of injury is still probably an all star player.
I like Dragon Bender, I believe the Croatian has all star upside. Outside Simmons he's my favorite player in this draft.
Ivan Rabb is a good big man that has upside as his feet are real good around the basket.
Despite his limited minutes at Kentucky, Skai LeBiessere is going to be a coaching dream with all his tools and limited years playing The sport. He could be Chris Bosh or he could bust but he's still an excellent draft prospect.
The guards are the only thing I don't like about this draft but I'm not calling it weak by any stretch. There are good players in this upcoming draft that will be difference makers and stars. 

People that cover the NBA/college for a living think this draft is really top heavy with a huge dropoff after the 4th or 5th pick, FWIW.

[nwahogfan1]

On nbadraft.net, probably the most reliable mock draft IMO. Just updated a few days ago.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft

FWIW Portis would have been a top 10 pick in this draft. Qualls, had he avoided the ACL injury, could have snuck into the 1st round even. This draft is weak. IMO staying in school is usually the better option still.

He is not ready.  I think Moses values an education so hopefully he will return and get a degree.  But we still need to sign a 4/5 in April.

[nwahogfan1]

Kingsley doesn't have the range that BP had. His game isn't as complete. Plus he goes through bad dry stretches. Another year here will do him some good. If he leaves, he's probably heading to Europe.

Plus Moses is probable a 4 in the pros so he needs to continue to stretch his game.

[Hawg Red]

DraftExpress just updated all of their rankings today.

- Moses was not in their top 100
- Moses was #27 among NCAA juniors
- Moses was not present in either the 2016 or 2017 mock drafts

Basically, he's a ways off from being an NBA prospect. He's further behind that Qualls was. If Moses chooses to go pro, it will be a purely personal choice because there will be no illusions that he will be a 1st round pick or probably even drafted. His last documented height in shoes was at both the LeBron James and Amar'e Stoudemire camps in 2012, where he measured 6'9 1/2 in shoes with a 7'2 wingspan. I don't think either of those have changed and might even be a little exaggerated. He lacks the size for the post in the NBA. He has a small frame. He's muscular, actually, right now, but just has a small frame. He needs to have the ability to step out and stretch the floor with some dependability like Portis and a lot of 4s and even 5s can now. Otherwise, he's going to end up like Jarvis Varnado from Mississippi State, who has very similar measurables (actually a little taller and longer wingspan) but was a much better defensive force. He's played less than 400 minutes in the NBA and hasn't played a regular season game since 2014. He was the #41 pick in 2010 and the game has gone even further away from true big men since then, even.

[TomBigBeeHog]

In a selfish sort of way, I am very relieved. Didn't want to have to sweat out "The Decision".

[MikePiazza]

DraftExpress just updated all of their rankings today.

- Moses was not in their top 100
- Moses was #27 among NCAA juniors
- Moses was not present in either the 2016 or 2017 mock drafts

Basically, he's a ways off from being an NBA prospect. He's further behind that Qualls was. If Moses chooses to go pro, it will be a purely personal choice because there will be no illusions that he will be a 1st round pick or probably even drafted. His last documented height in shoes was at both the LeBron James and Amar'e Stoudemire camps in 2012, where he measured 6'9 1/2 in shoes with a 7'2 wingspan. I don't think either of those have changed and might even be a little exaggerated. He lacks the size for the post in the NBA. He has a small frame. He's muscular, actually, right now, but just has a small frame. He needs to have the ability to step out and stretch the floor with some dependability like Portis and a lot of 4s and even 5s can now. Otherwise, he's going to end up like Jarvis Varnado from Mississippi State, who has very similar measurables (actually a little taller and longer wingspan) but was a much better defensive force. He's played less than 400 minutes in the NBA and hasn't played a regular season game since 2014. He was the #41 pick in 2010 and the game has gone even further away from true big men since then, even.

He has tremendous potential, but he is the type of player that only benefits from staying all four years.

[The_Iceman]

Plus Moses is probable a 4 in the pros so he needs to continue to stretch his game.

I wonder about Moses's ability to be able to play Center against the likes of Deandre, Howard, Drummond, etc.

Portis, who was bigger than Moses, doesn't look very big on an NBA court.

[Letsroll1200]

I just don't see Moses Kingsley leaving for the NBA after this season!!!

[hulk hog]

Just have to hope there are no outside things like finances or family that might affect this.  I don't want to be surprised like we were last year with Qualls. I am not sure who we have now that could make the same jump forward as Moses has.  Though Trey's game tonight gives one hope.

[ErieHog]

People will keep wringing their hands over this until the tip of next season.

No amount of persuading them that there is next to no risk at all for a Kingsley pro departure will simply fall on deaf ears.

[songofthesword]

This is a three man draft.. Simmons bender and Ingram skal seriously  would probably  not be a first if he were drafted today he can't rebound and is a black hole on offense

[hobhog]

People will keep wringing their hands over this until the tip of next season.

No amount of persuading them that there is next to no risk at all for a Kingsley pro departure will simply fall on deaf ears.

I think he will look seriously at going pro. So there.....

[BRHogfan]

I will say that his 16 and 9 will draw some looks, but his career average is 7 and 4.  Portis had two seasons of averaging over 10 ppg and he still was just the 22nd pick.

I believe Kingsley has the potential to be a first rounder, and doubt he will risk coming out on being a 2nd rounder, but you never know. 

[Hawg Red]

I will say that his 16 and 9 will draw some looks, but his career average is 7 and 4.  Portis had two seasons of averaging over 10 ppg and he still was just the 22nd pick.

I believe Kingsley has the potential to be a first rounder, and doubt he will risk coming out on being a 2nd rounder, but you never know.

0 potential to be a first rounder right now. He has the potential to be a second rounder. Potential to be. He's squarely out of any draft analysts top 60 and is mostly outside of their top 100. His game, as is now, does not translate to the NBA. He does well against most college centers, but there are only a handful of true NBA centers. If you aren't a true center in the NBA, you have to be able to stretch the floor. That's what Moses is facing in order to be a legitimate NBA prospect, let alone a first round pick.

[BRHogfan]

0 potential to be a first rounder right now. He has the potential to be a second rounder. Potential to be. He's squarely out of any draft analysts top 60 and is mostly outside of their top 100. His game, as is now, does not translate to the NBA. He does well against most college centers, but there are only a handful of true NBA centers. If you aren't a true center in the NBA, you have to be able to stretch the floor. That's what Moses is facing in order to be a legitimate NBA prospect, let alone a first round pick.

To me he seems to play exactly like Brandon Wright who was selected 8th overall in the 2007 draft. 

[Hawg Red]

To me he seems to play exactly like Brandon Wright who was selected 8th overall in the 2007 draft.

That was nearly 10 years ago, my man. The NBA drafts and plays much differently now. Do you think teams think and analyze the same way as they did 10 years ago in this age of analytics? I'd also venture to guess he's looked upon as a draft bust at #8. He's still in the NBA and still useful, but not what the Warriors were hoping for, I'm sure. The only player that I can see in the last 5 drafts that compares to Moses physically (even then, a stretch) and stylistically is Bismack Biyombo in 2011. He'd by in the same boat as Wright, as the Hornets didn't even give him a qualifying offer last summer to make him a restricted free agent.

[Captain Morgan]

This is a three man draft.. Simmons and Ingram skal seriously  would probably  not be a first if he were drafted today he can't rebound and is a black hole on offense

Nope. Dragan Bender is a top talent with superstar upside.

[jry04]

People will keep wringing their hands over this until the tip of next season.

No amount of persuading them that there is next to no risk at all for a Kingsley pro departure will simply fall on deaf ears.

Agreed. I don't know why it surprises me so much since we are on an Arkansas website, but I really do not understand why people think Moses is such a risk to leave. The only way he leaves is if he is ok with playing overseas. He very well may be ok with that, but Moses is not some shoe-in for the NBA draft like people think. He has made great strides, but has some serious flaws in his game that need to be corrected. If he leaves this year, he will need to pray just to get drafted in the late 2nd round.

[wheelspigharvey]

Nope. Dragan Bender is a top talent with superstar upside.

[Captain Morgan]

Good one WPH! 
I'm going to give a rankings on the 2016 draft later on.

[Dwight_K_Shrute]

Yeah but he's go those character issues, poor work ethic, and a very selfish player, needs at least another year of seasoning and even then might need to go to the D league first.  (Just trying to help out NBA scouts in case they are reading by giving them my insider info)

[ncbailey]

I sat next to an NBA scout this morning from XNA to CHI and we talked a lot about the things these kids go thru and the things the league expects from them. It was a very interesting conversation to say the least.
I brought up MK and he said they are very impressed with him but another year can be huge for his advancement. He is getting noticed but is also still new to the game. If he could advance as much the next year as this year he could be a highly valued player.

[pigroots]

Best thing for us and him is he wear that Hog uni one more year

[Cure]

He needs another year. If he left this season, he MAY make the d-league.

[yraciv]

On nbadraft.net, probably the most reliable mock draft IMO. Just updated a few days ago.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft

FWIW Portis would have been a top 10 pick in this draft. Qualls, had he avoided the ACL injury, could have snuck into the 1st round even. This draft is weak. IMO staying in school is usually the better option still.

NBA scouts say draftexpress is the more reliable of the 2.  Kingsley is not getting drafted if he comes out this year, and is probably destined for D League/Europe future. Comes back a year and shows he is still improving & playing better than he is likely a legitimate 2nd rounder.  I don't think he is a future NBA player for long, due to his lack of size at the C and inability to stretch the D at the 4, but I certainly think he can get some roster spots for a few years. And he certainly can have a long career overseas, but who knows how much more potential is in the tank. We'll see!

[razorbackfanatic]

Would we be undefeated and #1 in the nation if Portis and Qualls came back? I think we possible could be. I think we would have 3 losses at most and still in the top 2 or 3. Would Kingsley have made the jump we've seen? Or Durham? Who knows for sure, but if those two would have come back then the talk around here about CMA might be a complete 180. We needed a Juco heavy class that we have coming next season this season, but we also didn't know we wouldn't have Jacorey all season and Beard almost half a year. Kapita making it might have made a monumental difference in this seasons losses to Standord, Wake, Georgia, at Lswho, Auburn and Mercer.

[hogwood]

Would we be undefeated and #1 in the nation if Portis and Qualls came back? I think we possible could be. I think we would have 3 losses at most and still in the top 2 or 3. Would Kingsley have made the jump we've seen? Or Durham? Who knows for sure, but if those two would have come back then the talk around here about CMA might be a complete 180. We needed a Juco heavy class that we have coming next season this season, but we also didn't know we wouldn't have Jacorey all season and Beard almost half a year. Kapita making it might have made a monumental difference in this seasons losses to Standord, Wake, Georgia, at Lswho, Auburn and Mercer.

I think we would be top 10 for sure. Likely number 1 in the SEC. Portis and Qualls returning, the improvement of Durham, Kingsley, Bell, and the addition of Hannahs would have been huge. We reached heights of being ranked #15 last year. If we had returned our stars and had these guys step up, there is no way we wouldn't have been a top 10 team.

But if Moses comes back next year, that will be the first time in the Anderson era that we will have had two big stars returning (Hannahs and Kingsley). I think it will be huge for next year's team. Then add the JUCO kids, and lets predict that Beard, Whitt, and Thompson will be the biggest improvers... We should have a pretty good team next year!

[-Blu]

Kingsley projected #45 in 2017 draft.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft

[Hawg Red]

Kingsley projected #45 in 2017 draft.

http://www.nbadraft.net/2017mock_draft

It's about time. I was wondering why he wasn't even showing up on 2017 mocks.

[razorbackfanatic]

I think we would be top 10 for sure. Likely number 1 in the SEC. Portis and Qualls returning, the improvement of Durham, Kingsley, Bell, and the addition of Hannahs would have been huge. We reached heights of being ranked #15 last year. If we had returned our stars and had these guys step up, there is no way we wouldn't have been a top 10 team.

But if Moses comes back next year, that will be the first time in the Anderson era that we will have had two big stars returning (Hannahs and Kingsley). I think it will be huge for next year's team. Then add the JUCO kids, and lets predict that Beard, Whitt, and Thompson will be the biggest improvers... We should have a pretty good team next year!

I agree. I think Whitt has started showing flashes the past couple games of how he can get to the basket. I think he will be solid. I think losing Durham is bigger than some think, but getting Barford in that spot should help. Durham is limited in what he can do, but he is a leader with great passing skills and is a scrappy defender. He brings a calm to our offense. Barford is 6'4" and looks like he can get to the rack well. That's something we need.

Thompson just needs to keep coming, it's 90% confidence with him. I think he needs 3 to 5 post ups a game right now and he does really well reading the defense at the high post. I really hope Macon can shoot close to as well as Bell this season, bc having two deep threats on the court at the same time like we do now with DH and AB really helps open up the post for Kingsley. If Kingsley gets any better then we could have a really good team next season!

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

I will say that his 16 and 9 will draw some looks, but his career average is 7 and 4.  Portis had two seasons of averaging over 10 ppg and he still was just the 22nd pick.

I believe Kingsley has the potential to be a first rounder, and doubt he will risk coming out on being a 2nd rounder, but you never know. 

Unless he grows off that 6-9 height I think he has no chance at being a first rounder

[PonderinHog]

Unless he develops a jump shot from 15-18 feet, he won't be drafted in the first round.

[razorbackfanatic]

Unless he grows off that 6-9 height I think he has no chance at being a first rounder

He's listed at 6'10" but he does look like a legit 6'9" to me on the court. I just Kingsley on the way to the spring footbal game in 2014 and at that time he looked maybe 6'8" to me.

[TomBigBeeHog]

Thompson just needs to keep coming, it's 90% confidence with him. I think he needs 3 to 5 post ups a game right now and he does really well reading the defense at the high post. I really hope Macon can shoot close to as well as Bell this season, bc having two deep threats on the court at the same time like we do now with DH and AB really helps open up the post for Kingsley. If Kingsley gets any better then we could have a really good team next season!

[Rawker]

I think he will look seriously at going pro. So there.....

Agreed.  Double double machine.  Equaled or outplayed the next supposed great star in the NBA.  He will definitely think about it.

[Rawker]

I think we would be top 10 for sure. Likely number 1 in the SEC. Portis and Qualls returning, the improvement of Durham, Kingsley, Bell, and the addition of Hannahs would have been huge. We reached heights of being ranked #15 last year. If we had returned our stars and had these guys step up, there is no way we wouldn't have been a top 10 team.

But if Moses comes back next year, that will be the first time in the Anderson era that we will have had two big stars returning (Hannahs and Kingsley). I think it will be huge for next year's team. Then add the JUCO kids, and lets predict that Beard, Whitt, and Thompson will be the biggest improvers... We should have a pretty good team next year!

Pffff....top 3!!!  Qualls was on the verge of being the best overall player (when you add intimidation and scappiness factors) in college at the end of the year, when he single-handedly took on the Wildcats in the championship - with almost no help from BP - and then did the same against NC.  BP was in NO danger of staying, but if you're throwing out hypotheticals, the physical change he's experienced this year, added to Qualls' all-around presence, added to Hannahs and Bell, added to Durham's leadership, added to an improved Mo.  Gimme a break!!  They would only lose the championship because that's what happens in CBB...otherwise they would be tops.

[jry04]

Agreed.  Double double machine.  Equaled or outplayed the next supposed great star in the NBA.  He will definitely think about it.

Hope he doesn't have your mindset. If he does, he will be in Europe next season when he expected to be drafted. I like to think Moses is more realistic about our fans, though.

[Rawker]

Hope he doesn't have your mindset. If he does, he will be in Europe next season when he expected to be drafted. I like to think Moses is more realistic about our fans, though.

While my quote is what it is, I 100% agree.  And this is also the problem with Hog basketball lately, and I've posted at length on this; people want to lay all the blame at Mike's feet, but individual decisions (mostly poor) made by youngsters are uniquely affecting Mike's ability to transition the program to another level.  Think about all the important or potentially important cogs that have either left early because of over-confidence in their status (Powell, BJ, Qualls) or because it just wasn't their bag (Babbs) or because they simply got in trouble (J Williams) - plus there were others that never showed (Kapita).  If some of those people would have been in uniform another year, it would have raised the teams ability to win, their ranking and their tournament potential each year and helped assure that other good prospects come to AR.  Moses is another transitional player in that if he stays and helps the new guys have someone to lean on next year, the overall level of the team is raised, and we're off and running.  If he goes....once again there is huge hole to fill, and we're wondering who is going to fill it.

[hogman99]

The thing about the NBA is they draft more on potential than anything. Sometimes staying an extra year just reveals more holes in your game.

However, if Portis and Qualls had stayed one more year and taken this team to the Elite 8, then that exposure could have gotten Portis in the Top 10 or Top 5, and Qualls into the Top 25.

You just never know. Portis should have gone much higher than he did last year.

I agree about Portis, but not Qualls. Qualls will always be a free agent pick up IMO after watching many NBA games. The 3 position in the NBA requires more than jumping high, it is a very important part and requires mental toughness and basketball IQ.

[TomBigBeeHog]

Good deal that he isn't in there, we are going to lean heavily upon him next season. He should be the cornerstone. With what we have coming in, we should finish among the top teams in the SEC and make the NCAA's.