What are your thoughts on Qualls and Portis...

[UNCLE BACK]

I think they both stay or they both go...

[HF#1]

I think Portis is really having a hard time with this decision.  Based on his recent Facebook posts.  I can't get a good read on Qualls.  They want to try to stick together from what I can gather.

In the end, I think both stay.

[hawgfan4life]

Really? 

[Kenny Dowell Loggains]

Gone & Gone.

Portis projected between #15-#20 in most drafts.  Projected to make between 1.05 - 1.25 million annually according to CBS Sportsline's latest mock draft.

Qualls has Mike Jr. and will take the Euro approach & make a solid $160,000 - $200,000 overseas.  He'll be a heck of a Euro guy.  Freak athleticism & is shooting the ball well lately.

[Sharky]

Gone & Gone.

Portis projected between #15-#20 in most drafts.  Projected to make between 1.05 - 1.25 million annually according to CBS Sportsline's latest mock draft.

Qualls has Mike Jr. and will take the Euro approach & make a solid $160,000 - $200,000 overseas.  He'll be a heck of a Euro guy.  Freak athleticism & is shooting the ball well lately.

Nm

[yraciv]

Gone & Gone.

Portis projected between #15-#20 in most drafts.  Projected to make between 1.05 - 1.25 million annually according to CBS Sportsline's latest mock draft.

Qualls has Mike Jr. and will take the Euro approach & make a solid $160,000 - $200,000 overseas.  He'll be a heck of a Euro guy.  Freak athleticism & is shooting the ball well lately.

Exactly my thoughts.  I'm sure it is a tough decision for Bobby because he love his school, but 90% of players in that situation go, so it's naive to think he'll stay.  Qualls having a kid, one could assume all along that he would need to get paid.  Him staying one more would likely do nothing to his draft status, and or future career as a pro.  No knock on him because he is a great college player, but he is a Euro/D League guy and that isn't going to change.

[Smithian]

I think Portis wants to stay but should probably go.

I think Qualls wants to go but should probably stay.

I think both go, but I admittedly have no idea past an educated guess.

[riccoar]

Portis is projected as high as 17th pick in the first round.  He would benefit from staying, bulking up, and raising his stock.  Qualls could also likewise benefit. It also would benefit him to have that degree for later.  If those two stayed I think we would easily be the favorites in the SEC next year.  Only the first rounders get guaranteed money and only the first two years is guaranteed.

[TexArkHogFan]

I think it's a fifty percent chance they go and a fifty percent chance they stay.

[UNCLE BACK]

Really? 

What do you mean really?

[razorbackchamps94]

Portis is projected as high as 17th pick in the first round.  He would benefit from staying, bulking up, and raising his stock.  Qualls could also likewise benefit. It also would benefit him to have that degree for later.  If those two stayed I think we would easily be the favorites in the SEC next year.  Only the first rounders get guaranteed money and only the first two years is guaranteed.

There not much money in being 17th pick this yr and 10th next yr .. Portis gains nothing by coming back money wise .. He's gone .. Qualls need to come back and work on ball handling .. If Qualls leaves he's playing oversea

[Danny J]

I think Portis stays and Qualls goes....hope they both stay but I am being selfish.

[40MINSOFHELL]

Both stay but glad they make this decision soon.

[colbs]

Does anyone know how much the new salary cap will affect the 2016 rookie salaries? 

[TexArkHogFan]

Every single post I have read seems to indicate that money will dictate whether they go or stay.  Does anybody ever give consideration that other factors may be involved, the desire to get a degree, the love of the UofA and the college life in general.  The money will be there, either now or later, so why not just enjoy what you have while you can.  Once you make that choice to go to the grind of playing basketball for a living, you can't go back home again.  Home being the UofA. It's not the destination that matters, it's the ride you take that gets you there that will leave you with memories long after your playing days are over. 

[jbhogfan4]

Portis will stay. Qualls probably stays too

[FATHAWG08]

I'm sure they will wait until they know  more on  who is coming out. From what I'm seeing there are a lot of big men coming out early. Portis really expanded his game and improved his body this past year. One more year of improvement in theses areas might extend his professional career were he will make more money on the back end of his career.

[rzrbackramsfan]

I think they both go.  I think they'll regret it later but I remember being a poor college student. 

[Nipsey Mussle]

Every single post I have read seems to indicate that money will dictate whether they go or stay.  Does anybody ever give consideration that other factors may be involved, the desire to get a degree, the love of the UofA and the college life in general.  The money will be there, either now or later, so why not just enjoy what you have while you can.  Once you make that choice to go to the grind of playing basketball for a living, you can't go back home again.  Home being the UofA. It's not the destination that matters, it's the ride you take that gets you there that will leave you with memories long after your playing days are over.

Yes, people consider factors other than money. How do I know? Because someone makes this post in every thread (and there are lots of em) regarding this topic.

[urkillnmesmalls]

There's a better chance that Qualls and Portis decide to play football then there is of there NOT being at least 10 more threads started about this. 

[riccoar]

There not much money in being 17th pick this yr and 10th next yr .. Portis gains nothing by coming back money wise .. He's gone .. Qualls need to come back and work on ball handling .. If Qualls leaves he's playing oversea

Let's go off the base.  17th -- 2.853 million    10th --  4.086 million 

That's a huge difference to anyone.  That's just the first and second year because those are the ONLY guaranteed years of any rookie contract.

[MississippiHawg]

I think that they really cannot go wrong with either of their decisions. Portis and Qualls both obviously need the money now to support their families but I think it is much more than that for them. Coach MA said in his post-season interview that the two love being students. Qualls also has shown value in getting his degree (which he is 13 hours away from completing). The two have seen the growth this team has taken in the last two years and if they decide to stay, the sky is the limit for this team. They both love being Hogs as well which has been a big emphasis for them this season.

There's also this, http://www.nbadraft.net/2016mock_draft. This is a mock draft for the 2016 NBA Draft. Notice that Bobby is projected in a similar spot to where he is now at #14, but the big thing there is Qualls projected in the 2nd Round pick 47. Bobby started out this season on a few draft boards and has gone up on boards consistently with his play all season. With starting out as a 14th overall pick in next years draft, he would have a chance to move up even more. This would allow him to make more money which would give him more financial security for the future. For Qualls this helps his decision, he can look at this and know that if he just waits one more year he will be able to pursue a career in the NBA. With the way both of them have grown since being at Arkansas, these draft stocks can only go up which gives them a great reason to stay. Go Hogs.

[hawgfan4life]

What do you mean really?

This has been a weekly topic every week since SEC started and has been since the Hogs ended their season.  "Really?" meant is this rhetorical comedy or do you really want to have everyone rehash their thoughts for the umpteenth time.

[phadedhawg]

I think they will probably leave.  However after watching the teams that made it past the round of 32 it's clear to me just how far our team has to go.  Teams in the tourney are playing great basketball and we were just scrapping by.  I thought our team was good until I saw what the good teams look like.

I'm not sure how that would factor into their decision but in my mind if a player is thinking about it, it means he's probably going to leave. 

[psooie]

Both should stay. Qualls leaving would be like scotty thurman mistake level. Portis should aim for a top 10 draft in 2016. I was listening to sirrus with a coach on talking about feedback from players who jumped to the nba early. He said most of them wished they would have stayed in college longer, nba life can be difficult.

[Van Boarisson]

I think both come back and it's announced after sometime after the game tonight, meaning, this week.

[ErieHog]

Let's go off the base.  17th -- 2.853 million    10th --  4.086 million 

That's a huge difference to anyone.  That's just the first and second year because those are the ONLY guaranteed years of any rookie contract.

There are several reasons why that's not as big an issue as it seems on face value;  1) It takes time for that first year of earnings differential to be made up; 2) Going earlier gets you free of team control a year sooner, meaning the potential for additional contracts  during an era of an exploding salary cap, before the league fully adjusts real market values and 3) Access to the pension system

If you are a one contract guy, waiting will pay off-- as long as you fulfill that one contract and get to the pension system.

If you are a two contract guy, you probably cost yourself significant money in the long term.


FWIW,  Portis should go,  Qualls should stay, but I expect that both will be gone.

[Corkscrew Johnson]

There are several reasons why that's not as big an issue as it seems on face value;  1) It takes time for that first year of earnings differential to be made up; 2) Going earlier gets you free of team control a year sooner, meaning the potential for additional contracts  during an era of an exploding salary cap, before the league fully adjusts real market values and 3) Access to the pension system

If you are a one contract guy, waiting will pay off-- as long as you fulfill that one contract and get to the pension system.

If you are a two contract guy, you probably cost yourself significant money in the long term.


FWIW,  Portis should go,  Qualls should stay, but I expect that both will be gone.

Don't forget you need to discount to present value the maturity benefit of entering the NBA as a more well-rounded adult, ie the IRR on decision making increases considerably making it more likely that the players parlay the opportunity into a long-term career. 

[ErieHog]

Don't forget you need to discount to present value the maturity benefit of entering the NBA as a more well-rounded adult, ie the IRR on decision making increases considerably making it more likely that the players parlay the opportunity into a long-term career. 

Don't forget you need to discount to present value the maturity benefit of entering the NBA as a more well-rounded adult, ie the IRR on decision making increases considerably making it more likely that the players parlay the opportunity into a long-term career. 

An NBA player who relies on themselves, regardless of age entering the league, is doomed.

Expertise can be bought.      Maturity has very, very marginal value,  beyond a relatively low baseline value.   Avoid arrest, avoid drugs,  don't be the community bank, and show up to work.

If a player can check those four boxes, the return on staying is exceedingly low.

[Sharky]

Don't forget you need to discount to present value the maturity benefit of entering the NBA as a more well-rounded adult, ie the IRR on decision making increases considerably making it more likely that the players parlay the opportunity into a long-term career.

Odds are the BP will have a long-term career if he goes this year. As long as he goes first round, he'll have two years to improve his skills in the NBA--most likely four (with the option). That's generally enough, especially for someone with Portis's work ethic. Regarding maturity, a year probably won't make too much difference. Physically, Anderson focuses on speed and cardio, which won't help Portis gain mass. Mentially, we don't mature until we're around 25 for so anyway.

Hopefully, Corliss Williamson gives BP good advice and he takes it to heart.

[garyscheyne]

Portis can more than double his money if he stays another year and develops as much as he did this year. If Qualls stays with him, he'll still play in Europe,but for a lot more.

[Iwastherein1969]

well, it is almost 100% likely that we'll find out before the end of this week...then no more of these "will they stay or will they go" threads....if, after watching a team of upperclassmen take UK to the woodshed doesn't convince these guys that staying will only offer you more rewards, well, nothing will

[snortman]

well, it is almost 100% likely that we'll find out before the end of this week...then no more of these "will they stay or will they go" threads....if, after watching a team of upperclassmen take UK to the woodshed doesn't convince these guys that staying will only offer you more rewards, well, nothing will

That's not really a good reason

[thebignasty]

Portis can more than double his money if he stays another year and develops as much as he did this year. If Qualls stays with him, he'll still play in Europe,but for a lot more.

If he leaves now, and goes 17th, and those numbers are accurate, then:

15-16 2.8mil
16-17 2.8mil

by 2017-18, hes made 5.6 mil and is on to the second contract.

If he leaves next year, and goes 10th (which, by the way, no guarantee of that. I think its unlikely he could improve his stock that much)

15-16-0
16-17- 4 mill

Can't compare beyond that, because no one knows what his potential next contract looks like.  We do know that he loses a year of earning ability, and pushes his second contract farther in the future.

[jry04]

I would not put too much stock in it, but Rod Winkler tweeted Portis is gone. He is the chubby kid who is friends with Bobby and tried to fight one of the Harrison twins after the game in BWA last season. He later deleted it. Take it for what it is worth.

[ballz2thewall]

Every single post I have read seems to indicate that money will dictate whether they go or stay.  Does anybody ever give consideration that other factors may be involved, the desire to get a degree, the love of the UofA and the college life in general.  The money will be there, either now or later, so why not just enjoy what you have while you can.  Once you make that choice to go to the grind of playing basketball for a living, you can't go back home again.  Home being the UofA. It's not the destination that matters, it's the ride you take that gets you there that will leave you with memories long after your playing days are over.

the ride looks better with money to spend, man.

[hawginbigd1]

I really think both improve their futures by staying one more year, I believe BP could become a lottery pick, as I have noted before WCS was not one last year and he is projected to be this year! The last 6 games Qualls had, if he were to show that consistently next year I believe he would actually be drafted, and may move into guaranteed contract territory!

[Pigliophile]

I think they're both great players, and I would love to have them back next year.

[PonderinHog]

I think they're both great players, and I would love to have them back next year.

I was just thinking the same thing!  :razorback:

[-Blu]

I would not put too much stock in it, but Row Winkler tweeted Portis is gone. He is the chubby kid who is friends with Bobby and tried to fight one of the Harrison twins after the game in BWA last season. He later deleted it. Take it for what it is worth.

Interesting... Another poster said one of the guys had made his decision and we should know by Wednesday.  Maybe that was it and he told him to take it down because he wanted to make an official announcement.

[East Clintwood]

I think they both stay or they both go...

Or one of them stays and the other goes.

[Whoopigsooie]

Neither Qualls or Portis is ready for the NBA. Qualls struggles to take some one off the dribble from the point and Portis can't make a shot when being bodied under the basket. Last few games were a perfect example of that. Both need one more year to work on their games IMO. If they leave or stay i will be happy for them and cheer them on either way.   Tough decision for those two young men to make.

[ErieHog]

Neither Qualls or Portis is ready for the NBA. Qualls struggles to take some one off the dribble from the point and Portis can't make a shot when being bodied under the basket. Last few games were a perfect example of that. Both need one more year to work on their games IMO. If they leave or stay i will be happy for them and cheer them on either way.   Tough decision for those two young men to make.

Portis isn't playing within 10 feet of the rim as a pro, so his 'pushed around at the basket' isn't relevant.  No one is paying him to play with his back to the hoop.

[Whoopigsooie]

then he might have a shot but it won't be as a center.

[ErieHog]

then he might have a shot but it won't be as a center.

The only way he is playing the 5, is in extreme small ball lineups that have no post up sets.

I swear our fans never watch the NBA

[jry04]

then he might have a shot but it won't be as a center.

He was never going to be a center at the next level.

[BadHog]

My thought is that I hope they stay.

[40MINSOFHELL]

Glad the deadline is approaching so we can get this over with.

[hawginbigd1]

Portis isn't playing within 10 feet of the rim as a pro, so his 'pushed around at the basket' isn't relevant.  No one is paying him to play with his back to the hoop.

This is why he should stay IMO, and if he made as much improvement in his game as he did last year he would become a lottery. 44 in red last night is who he needs to become.

[dagnamit]

Some of you would try to sell ice to an Eskimo. Your not very good at it.

http://www.sbnation.com/2015/4/7/8354255/nba-draft-2015-rankings-karl-towns-justise-winslow

BP is picked to go 13.