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bigpigpimpin

You know we don't have talent or depth, and you know that help is on the way next year. This year is gonna suck but the future is bright.

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Quote from: bigpigpimpin on November 27, 2015, 02:17:49 pm
You know we don't have talent or depth, and you know that help is on the way next year. This year is gonna suck but the future is bright.

This.  Good lord.  Let's all act shocked!
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ErieHog

JC talent takes time to adjust.  There are more than enough reasons to be concerned about the future of Razorback basketball.

That said, its not wrist-slitting bad basketball.

Its average.  Its pedestrian.  It is uninspiring.  It isn't DOOOOM
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jdunhog

I agree, no body feels worse than the team. Lets give them some support!!

RazorPiggie

Quote from: bigpigpimpin on November 27, 2015, 02:17:49 pm
You know we don't have talent or depth, and you know that help is on the way next year. This year is gonna suck but the future is bright.

Who's responsible for making sure we are always talented? I could understand it under year one or two (depending on what the previous staff had done) but not year 5. Sorry no excuses.

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Quote from: bigpigpimpin on November 27, 2015, 02:17:49 pm
You know we don't have talent or depth, and you know that help is on the way next year. This year is gonna suck but the future is bright.

Stop. Please. 5 years. Cmon dude. Is this Rick Schaffer

hobhog

I think fans will try to be patient, but that was just bad coaching down the stretch. If your coach can't give you an edge with management, and there is no talent in year 5, someone is going to get criticized.


Big Boi

Quote from: bigpigpimpin on November 27, 2015, 02:17:49 pm
You know we don't have talent or depth, and you know that help is on the way next year. This year is gonna suck but the future is bright.
No excuse for a year 5 team that looks like this.

LRHawg

It's not the lack of talent, it's the coaching of what we've got that's concerning. Granted, the poor talent level is also on the coach.

Big Boi

Quote from: bigpigpimpin on November 27, 2015, 02:26:33 pm
We won 27 games last year guys. We will win 20 or more next year. Get over it.
I think most are upset that we did't build or maintain on the success.

Letsroll1200

Quote from: bigpigpimpin on November 27, 2015, 02:21:24 pm
And that is why I'm more willing to shell out 65 bucks a ticket for football than 25 to watch the basketball team.

7-6!!!! Good for you

TNhawgfan

be patient, be patient...we are in year five. Stan got fired for back to back tourney appearances
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Atlhogfan1

Quote from: bigpigpimpin on November 27, 2015, 02:17:49 pm
You know we don't have talent or depth, and you know that help is on the way next year. This year is gonna suck but the future is bright.

Big picture I agree. 

But today was not a good loss and even worse the way it happened.  Fans shouldn't be happy even if in the big picture this isn't going to be a good season. 
Quote from: MaconBacon on March 22, 2018, 10:30:04 amWe had a good run in the 90's and one NC and now the whole state still laments that we are a top seed program and have kids standing in line to come to good ole Arkansas.  We're just a flash in the pan boys. 

 

MountieDawg

Quote from: Big Boi on November 27, 2015, 02:46:39 pm
I think most are upset that we did't build or maintain on the success.

I bet MA hopes you get the AD job. You are happy with winning 1NCAAT game every 5 or 6 years.  MA can retire here very rich.
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Hogsolo

If this team can get three happy it may be a fun season.  Otherwise it'll be a grind out the season, season.   

Regardless, in the current landscape of college basketball, I don't see an obvious slam dunk better choice than Mike. 

He loves Arkansas and can produce here as well as anyone else will.   


The_Iceman

What does Mike have to do next year to justify keeping him?

razorhog52

In most people's eye, he needs to make the tournament. It would make the argument that this year is the exception not the rule, rather than last year being the exception. 6 years with one tournament looks bad.

ErieHog

Quote from: The_Iceman on November 27, 2015, 06:47:58 pm
What does Mike have to do next year to justify keeping him?

Depends on how bad this year ends up.

Say he wins 15--  he can probably get by with the PTB, by returning to post-season play.

If he wins 10,  he probably needs to at least be on the tournament bubble, or better.
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Atlhogfan1

Quote from: The_Iceman on November 27, 2015, 06:47:58 pm
What does Mike have to do next year to justify keeping him?

Keep breathing. 
Quote from: MaconBacon on March 22, 2018, 10:30:04 amWe had a good run in the 90's and one NC and now the whole state still laments that we are a top seed program and have kids standing in line to come to good ole Arkansas.  We're just a flash in the pan boys. 

Ironhawg

Quote from: Atlhogfan1 on November 27, 2015, 07:01:44 pm
Keep breathing. 

This is the truth.  IMHO MA is here for as long as he wants to be, results be darned.  He will retire here when he is ready. 

colavito

Not sure the future is so bright for MA at Arkansas.  He'll get a pass on this season but unless he shows drastic improvement next season, it will probably be his last. 

Kevin

Mike has a lifetime contract.  Tired of hearing 27 wins last year. One very good year in 5.

Plus, juco's & transfers in not a way to build a program
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Atlhogfan1

Quote from: Kevin on November 27, 2015, 07:09:35 pm
Mike has a lifetime contract.  Tired of hearing 27 wins last year. One very good year in 5.

Plus, juco's & transfers in not a way to build a program

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Quote from: MaconBacon on March 22, 2018, 10:30:04 amWe had a good run in the 90's and one NC and now the whole state still laments that we are a top seed program and have kids standing in line to come to good ole Arkansas.  We're just a flash in the pan boys. 

 

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Atlhogfan1

Quote from: Kevin on November 27, 2015, 07:23:45 pm
Funny , enjoy the win total this year

Another roster turnover is coming with all of these JC signees and transfers.  Got to wonder when consistency is coming. 
Quote from: MaconBacon on March 22, 2018, 10:30:04 amWe had a good run in the 90's and one NC and now the whole state still laments that we are a top seed program and have kids standing in line to come to good ole Arkansas.  We're just a flash in the pan boys. 

HawgAdvocate

Quote from: Kevin on November 27, 2015, 07:23:45 pm
Funny , enjoy the win total this year

I'm with ya. The number of wins has rarely ever been as important as final ranking and/or postseason advancement. Those were/are better measurements of success. When did we ever keep up win totals back in the day? I don't recall how many wins the teams from the 90s won. We always distinguished seasons by where we finished in rankings and/or the postseason tourney, e.g. Sweet 16, Elite Eight, Field of 32, NIT Finals, etc.
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Quote from: bigpigpimpin on November 27, 2015, 02:17:49 pm
You know we don't have talent or depth, and you know that help is on the way next year. This year is gonna suck but the future is bright.

Wait, so you're willing to give CMA a pass in year 5, but earlier in the year....

Quote from: bigpigpimpin on September 18, 2015, 10:35:11 am
Well, obviously if you lose to toledo and texas tech back to back you are a bad football team. Then it's time to play the younger players and build for the future. I'm not saying throw in the towel. But I am saying if he loses this game this season is a wash...and he has his work cut out for him next year. Would you not agree that if we miss a bowl game the next two seasons a change should be made?
Quote from: Peter Porker on January 08, 2014, 04:03:21 pm
Notice he says your boy instead of "our coach". Very telling.

I'm not worried. If he recruits like he did here Louisville will fire him in about 5 years.

The_Iceman

Mike has beat Wofford in the NCAA Tournament. That's all he has done in 5 years (cause he won't make the NCAA tournament this year).

This is pitiful. Our program deserves better than this.

HSVhogfan2

Quote from: The_Iceman on November 27, 2015, 06:47:58 pm
What does Mike have to do next year to justify keeping him?

Sweet 16 and another very good class. The catch 22 of course, is if these Jucos are good enough to make AR that much better, 1 or 2 will likely only stay a year.

I do not think the direction of either one of the 2 major sports is going the way people should be satisfied with. Like it or not, there is a double standard on both sides. CBB does have more blind allegiance than MA does, IMO. There are however, those on both sides who seem to be satisfied with mediocrity or worse.
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Year 5 and we have had one good year and going to have a terrible year this year. Everyone said wait till Mike gets his guys..well these are all his guys and will be the worst year since he's been here.  Mike isn't an elite recruiter and isn't an x's and o's coach either, not a good combo. Bringing in a bunch of JUCO guys isn't going to fix the problem in my opinion. People have said well look what he did with Portis and Qualls..2 really good players in 5 years should also show he can't recruit.

Atlhogfan1

Quote from: HSVhogfan2 on November 27, 2015, 08:19:40 pm
Sweet 16 and another very good class. The catch 22 of course, is if these Jucos are good enough to make AR that much better, 1 or 2 will likely only stay a year.

I do not think the direction of either one of the 2 major sports is going the way people should be satisfied with. Like it or not, there is a double standard on both sides. CBB does have more blind allegiance than MA does, IMO. There are however, those on both sides who seem to be satisfied with mediocrity or worse.

You are such a bleeding heart lib.  No double standard.  Two unique situations in very different sports.  They should be evaluated and judged that way.  I can give you my thoughts on the football program in MMQB if you care.  I'm not going to on basketball because of who our coach is and the personal attachment so many have.  I do think we want to win in football but we face such great depth in competition we aren't sure how to do it.  I don't think winning matters so much with a group of our basketball fans.  It was more important to bring back Hawg Ball and to give Nolan his program back as much as possible. 
Quote from: MaconBacon on March 22, 2018, 10:30:04 amWe had a good run in the 90's and one NC and now the whole state still laments that we are a top seed program and have kids standing in line to come to good ole Arkansas.  We're just a flash in the pan boys. 

HawgnCorona

Quote from: bigpigpimpin on November 27, 2015, 02:17:49 pm
You know we don't have talent or depth, and you know that help is on the way next year. This year is gonna suck but the future is bright.

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Quote from: bigpigpimpin on November 27, 2015, 02:17:49 pm
You know we don't have talent or depth, and you know that help is on the way next year. This year is gonna suck but the future is bright.

So, why were recruits not signed for THIS YEAR??? Kids don't stay if they're good. MA can't and won't convert to this style and it shows.

HawgnCorona

ok whatever the reason for it...but we all knew before the season started what we had so why the angst?
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Quote from: bigpigpimpin on November 27, 2015, 02:17:49 pm
You know we don't have talent or depth, and you know that help is on the way next year. This year is gonna suck but the future is bright.
Anderson better make NCCAT next year or he's gone.

Kevin

Funny, the hogs fired a guy in year five, that constructed a roster that made 3 straight ncaa's, but everyone is fine with 2 postseasons in 5 years(if this year does not turnaround) from coach Anderson.
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hobhog

Quote from: HawgnCorona on November 28, 2015, 09:55:46 am
ok whatever the reason for it...but we all knew before the season started what we had so why the angst?

Depends on how you get there. There is bad, and then there is BAD. Next few games will tell us a lot I think.

HawgnCorona

Quote from: hobhog on November 28, 2015, 12:07:21 pm
Depends on how you get there. There is bad, and then there is BAD. Next few games will tell us a lot I think.

And knowing this, what do think our "expectations" should be?
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hobhog

March Madness every year. Just because we suck I have to lower standards?

HawgnCorona

What standards? We haven't won anything significant in sixteen years or so...But we are talking about expectations, right? According to some we dont have any bagmen. It is kinda hard to "expect" to land top recruits when you are not lining any pocket$.

Changing coaching isnt necessarily going to get us to the promised land either. "We need some men" Plain and simple.



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hobhog

Quote from: HawgnCorona on November 28, 2015, 05:24:05 pm
What standards? We haven't won anything significant in sixteen years or so...But we are talking about expectations, right? According to some we dont have any bagmen. It is kinda hard to "expect" to land top recruits when you are not lining any pocket$.

Changing coaching isnt necessarily going to get us to the promised land either. "We need some men" Plain and simple.

Most of my life we have been nationally relevant in basketball. Not far fetched to expect it now....

Atlhogfan1

Quote from: hobhog on November 28, 2015, 05:34:32 pm
Most of my life we have been nationally relevant in basketball. Not far fetched to expect it now....


I think the issue now is it isn't as important as who the head coach is and that he remains.  If we are relevant great.  If not, then it doesn't matter. 
Quote from: MaconBacon on March 22, 2018, 10:30:04 amWe had a good run in the 90's and one NC and now the whole state still laments that we are a top seed program and have kids standing in line to come to good ole Arkansas.  We're just a flash in the pan boys. 

HawgnCorona

Quote from: hobhog on November 28, 2015, 05:34:32 pm
Most of my life we have been nationally relevant in basketball. Not far fetched to expect it now....

In the 90s yes we were but we really haven't been much since...But times change and cycles occur. We will be relevant again. No worries. GHG!
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hulk hog

We won 27 games last year and have nothing to show for it. Nothing. This team is no better than Mikes first team here. There is no one on this team as good as Powell or BJ and you cannot expect people to be happy about it.
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HawgnCorona

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Ironhawg

I don't think MA is leaving Arkansas under any circumstances other than retiring of his own free will, so I don't see any point in getting all twisted around over this season.  I also don't see MA taking us to where I think the vast majority want to go, which is routinely competing for SEC championships and deep NCAA tourney runs.  I do think MA will get this program routinely winning again and sometimes getting into the tournament.  I see him setting the table for whoever comes after him.

Cure

Quote from: Kevin on November 28, 2015, 12:04:58 pm
Funny, the hogs fired a guy in year five, that constructed a roster that made 3 straight ncaa's, but everyone is fine with 2 postseasons in 5 years(if this year does not turnaround) from coach Anderson.
It gets overshadowed by the postgame comments of DJ.
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