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[Captain Morgan]

Of the 14 SEC football teams, there is only one elite program this year. Bama.

SEC is worse than the BIG 10, Big 12, PAC 12 and the ACC on the gridiron this year.

I totally disagree.

Tennessee might be the best 4 loss team in college football with losses of 5 points or less vs Alabama, Florida, Oklahoma and Arkansas.

Now let's go to the rest of the SEC, especially the SEC West where every team has a winning record except Auburn.

Alabama 11-1
Ole Miss 9-3
LSU 8-3
Miss State 8-4
Texas A&M 8-4
Arkansas 7-5

Now we go to the East That consists of 3 teams with 8 wins or more.

Florida 10-2
Georgia 9-3
Tennessee 8-4

The only conference in football that is close to SEC parity is the Pac 12 because only Oregon State and Colorado can classify as bad Power 5 schools. The Big 12, B1G 10 And ACC have more power 5 trash at the bottom.

I disagree totally, SEC is the best conference in football still.

[bigdaddyhawg]

I totally disagree.

Tennessee might be the best 4 loss team in college football with losses of 5 points or less vs Alabama, Florida, Oklahoma and Arkansas.

Now let's go to the rest of the SEC, especially the SEC West where every team has a winning record.

Alabama 11-1
Ole Miss 9-3
LSU 8-3
Miss State 8-4
Texas A&M 8-4

Now we go to the East That consists of 3 teams with 8 wins or more.

Florida 10-2
Georgia 9-3
Tennessee 8-4

The only conference in football that is close to SEC parity is the Pac 12 because only Oregon State and Colorado can classify as bad Power 5 schools. The Big 12, B1G 10 And ACC have more power 5 trash at tohe bottom.

I disagree totally, SEC is the best conference in football still.

It's still not close to anyone with half a brain that doesn't have his head up MA's rear end.

[hoglady]

If MA doesn't work out - we need to find a program builder, a coach with a vision and the energy to do it.
(A second Eddie Sutton if you will). We are no longer an extension of what we once were and haven't been for a long time.
We are a program that needs rebuilt. Hopefully, MA had the energy and desire to see it through.
He has cleaned up this program in the classroom, we had a great year last year and hopefully this year is just a one year blip on the radar.

[TomBigBeeHog]

If MA doesn't work out - we need to find a program builder, a coach with a vision and the energy to do it.
(A second Eddie Sutton if you will). We are no longer an extension of what we once were and haven't been for a long time.
We are a program that needs rebuilt. Hopefully, MA had the energy and desire to see it through.
He has cleaned up this program in the classroom, we had a great year last year and hopefully this year is just a one year blip on the radar.

Agreed. Hopefully this year is an aberration and the ship is righted. Don't want to go through another guy coming in and needing to get his guys before we get on track. That's the frustrating part as a fan, you see the program struggling to stay on solid footing and you don't want to pull the trigger too soon and start back at zero with someone else who may or may not have success.

[Captain Morgan]

It's still not close to anyone with half a brain that doesn't have his head up MA's rear end.

Big daddy, I know this is a college basketball forum but what exactly does SEC football and how strong it is have to do with Michael Anderson and his disapointing 5 years at the University of Arkansas? 

This is the argument I'm trying to figure out from TomBeeHog. 10 bowl eligible teams in football would be like 10 teams making the NCAA tournament for the SEC (which would never happen)

[westside_player]

Yesterday was the first time I can ever remember completely forgetting an Arkansas Razorbacks Basketball game was on.  Sure, I was busy with Thanksgiving, but I just don't miss Razorbacks Bball or Fball events. 

I got the update on my phone after it was over. I actually felt relieved that I didn't watch it after seeing we lost.

I'm getting back on track this morning, but it made me think of just how bad this program has gotten... That or my memory.   

#coolstorybro

I started forgetting we were playing back around 2006

[TomBigBeeHog]

Big daddy, I know this is a college basketball forum but what exactly does SEC football and how strong it is have to do with Michael Anderson and his disapointing 5 years at the University of Arkansas? 

This is the argument I'm trying to figure out from TomBeeHog. 10 bowl eligible teams in football would be like 10 teams making the NCAA tournament for the SEC (which would never happen)

Captain Morgan = TheRazorbackGuy

Ok, now it all makes sense. You got banned and resurfaced under a new handle. Nice. See you still haven't stopped drinking while posting so I guess the misery continues. You and bigdaddyhog make a nice pair. Not surprised to see you two team up.

[Captain Morgan]

I have no idea what your talking about. I have been a hogville lurker since houston nutt days. I registered around thanksgiving wishing everyone a good and safe holiday. I wish you the same. But non the less here's my take.

Big daddy and I believe the SEC is the top football conference and you don't. Thats fine. I've pointed out in other posts the reasons are parity. You have your opinion and I have mine.

That being said, I believe 8-4 Tennessee would beat #1 Clemson. That's how strong I think SEC in football is.

Finally, this is a basketball forum. I don't get why your getting so defensive about the SEC being good in football.

[Captain Morgan]

I have no idea what your talking about. I have been a hogville lurker since houston nutt days. I registered around thanksgiving wishing everyone a good and safe holiday. I wish you the same. But non the less here's my take.

Big daddy and I believe the SEC is the top football conference and you don't. Thats fine. I've pointed out in other posts the reasons are parity. You have your opinion and I have mine.

That being said, I believe 8-4 Tennessee would beat #1 Clemson. That's how strong I think SEC in football is.

Finally, this is a basketball forum. I don't quite understand why your getting so defensive about the SEC being good in football.

[TomBigBeeHog]

I have no idea what your talking about. I have been a hogville lurker since houston nutt days. I registered around thanksgiving wishing everyone a good and safe holiday. I wish you the same. But non the less here's my take.

Big daddy and I believe the SEC is the top football conference and you don't. Thats fine. I've pointed out in other posts the reasons are parity. You have your opinion and I have mine.

That being said, I believe 8-4 Tennessee would beat #1 Clemson. That's how strong I think SEC in football is.

Finally, this is a basketball forum. I don't get why your getting so defensive about the SEC being good in football.

This sounds like the lead in to a hot and steamy sex scene in a gay Harlequin romance story.

[wheelspigharvey]

This sounds like the lead in to a hot and steamy sex scene in a gay Harlequin romance story.

[TomBigBeeHog]

Haha, actually lol'd 

[Captain Morgan]

This sounds like the lead in to a hot and steamy sex scene in a gay Harlequin romance story.

To give an educated comment to this quote would just be a waste of time. I get the assumption someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed this morning.

[bigdaddyhawg]

I have no idea what your talking about. I have been a hogville lurker since houston nutt days. I registered around thanksgiving wishing everyone a good and safe holiday. I wish you the same. But non the less here's my take.

Big daddy and I believe the SEC is the top football conference and you don't. Thats fine. I've pointed out in other posts the reasons are parity. You have your opinion and I have mine.

That being said, I believe 8-4 Tennessee would beat #1 Clemson. That's how strong I think SEC in football is.

Finally, this is a basketball forum. I don't get why your getting so defensive about the SEC being good in football.

Freaking USC, one of the worst teams in our league, gave Clemson all they wanted.

But I doubt 'OL Tom really believes that bull he's spouting.  He believes by putting our football program down he somehow elevates Mike Anderson.

[TomBigBeeHog]

Freaking USC, one of the worst teams in our league, gave Clemson all they wanted.

rivalry game. happens all the time.

[Captain Morgan]

rivalry game. happens all the time.

Or maybe Clemson just isn't that good.

I wouldn't be shocked if they lose to UNC this weekend. And that's a team South Carolina defeated.

[hog.goblin]

rivalry game. happens all the time.

and USCe beat the other team in the ACC championship game

[Arazorbackguy1]

Let's be real, this season is a HUGE setback.  You can spin however you want, but even with Beard and Williams, we would suck Rocky Mountain oysters.

[hog.goblin]

Let's be real, this season is a HUGE setback.  You can spin however you want, but even with Beard and Williams, we would suck Rocky Mountain oysters.

but at least with Jacorey you had the excitement of the unknown.  Who is he going to throw up on?  When will another shoe fly onto the court?

[intelligence]

Yet the football team can go 500 overall and the coach is a rockstar.

Not true at all. There's another hog board with a 150+ page thread calling for his job.

[TomBigBeeHog]

Not true at all. There's another hog board with a 150+ page thread calling for his job.

which board is that?

[jry04]

"Just how bad this program has gotten."

We had our best year in nearly 20 years last year and have improved every year under Mike's tenure. We have a top 25 class (so far) coming in next year.

It's fine to be apathetic this year (I am), but don't pretend we're still in the Pelphrey years where it's some kind of gradual decline into mediocrity that drives you into apathy.

Believe it or not, some non-powerhouse programs have off years. We're having one.

There is a very good chance we will be a top 25 program for at least the next 2 years with all of the talent we have coming in. Barford, Bailey, Cook, Macon, and Gafford will be more than enough combined with what we will be returning to be a top 25 team in those 2 years. This offseason has been one to forget, but it is sad how stupid our fans are acting. Honestly believing there is some chance Mike is fired after this season when he lead us to our best season in 20 years last year, and will have us in the NCAAT barring injuries/suspensions in the next two seasons.

All of this could have possibly been avoided had Qualls and Portis not told Mike that they would be returning up until about a week before they announced that they were leaving. Maybe he shouldn't have been so naïve, but you cannot offer a scholarship to a kid that you do not even have at the time to give, and expect them to hold one. The only schools who can do that are the blue bloods. Babb left because he thought Qualls was returning. It would have been too crowded for Babb with Beard, Bell, Hannahs, Whitt, Watkins, and Qualls. Had Babb known Qualls was leaving and Hoiberg was taking the Bulls job, then he would likely still be here. Everything that could have gone wrong this offseason did. We were on the brink of being a top 10 team, and instead we are set back a year because everything that could go against us this offseason did. It is unfortunate. You can blame Mike, I am not happy with where our season is going in year 5. However, I am also smart enough to see how we look going forward, and I see us in the top 25 for the next 2 seasons.

[bigred223]

Of the 14 SEC football teams, there is only one elite program this year. Bama.

SEC is worse than the BIG 10, Big 12, PAC 12 and the ACC on the gridiron this year.

Only conference with any argument is PAC 12. ACC is by far the worst. Are you serious?

[Captain Morgan]

Only conference with any argument is PAC 12. ACC is by far the worst. Are you serious?

bigred223, I don't think he really believes it. Its just an argument he thinks to himself to justify that SEC basketball is strong and SEC football is bad. Its more supporting one coach at the university and bringing another coach down at the University of Arkansas to fit his agenda.

Nonetheless, only SEC and Pac12 have 10 teams bowl eligible. Not any other conference in college football, power 5 or not has that.

[Letsroll1200]

bigred223, I don't think he really believes it. Its just an argument he thinks to himself to justify that SEC basketball is strong and SEC football is bad. Its more supporting one coach at the university and bringing another coach down at the University of Arkansas to fit his agenda.

Nonetheless, only SEC and Pac12 have 10 teams bowl eligible. Not any other conference in college football, power 5 or not has that.

Big 12 vs SEC 2015

Oklahoma at Tenn. 31-24
Texas Tech at Ark.   35-24

PAC 12

Arizona State vs A&M 17-38

ACC

Louisville vs Kentucky 38-24
Georgia vs G Tech  13-7
Florida vs F State 2-27
South Carolina vs Clemson 32-37
Lsu vs Syracuse 34-24
Auburn vs Lousiville 31-24
S. Carolina vs N. Carolina 17-13

We like to believe that the SEC is so much more elite than other conferences but they are making up ground as far as results on the field. A middle of the pack Big 12 team came to Arkansas and beat a middle of the pack Arkansas.

The SEC is still the best but teams outside the SEC is playing serious football.

[bigdaddyhawg]

This sounds like the lead in to a hot and steamy sex scene in a gay Harlequin romance story.

You've got the mind that's running in that direction, good 'ol Tom.

[TomBigBeeHog]

You've got the mind that's running in that direction, good 'ol Tom.

You and Captain Morgan (TheRazorbackGuy) follow me around from thread to thread and you usually show up together. He's probably right behind you. Of course, you probably like that.

So, who cooked breakfast this morning, you or the Captain?

[bigdaddyhawg]

You and Captain Morgan (TheRazorbackGuy) follow me around from thread to thread and you usually show up together. He's probably right behind you. Of course, you probably like that.

So, who cooked breakfast this morning, you or the Captain?

Yo Momma cooked me breakfast!!

[TomBigBeeHog]

Yo Momma cooked me breakfast!!

ROTFLMAO!!!

[bigdaddyhawg]

ROTFLMAO!!!

+1

[TomBigBeeHog]

+1

I'll be back at cha. Haven't brushed up my Yo Mama jokes since grade school. Gotta update my arsenal.

[Cinco de Hogo]

Keep your chin up guys and realize or admit that the reason your apathic is the state of basketball in general and not just the state of Arkansas basketball.  Sure if we had a top ten program it would be better but realize it's not Mike Andersons fault exactly.  If things don't get better we might pull a Georgia at around year ten but you just as well stay with the program because after all your Hog Fans.

[Jeffcphog]

Apathy or not, Mike Anderson will be the Razorback coach until Mike Anderson decides not to be.  Period.  But I hope I am wrong.

[Captain Morgan]

Apathy or not, Mike Anderson will be the Razorback coach until Mike Anderson decides not to be.  Period.  But I hope I am wrong.

[Arazorbackguy1]

Apathy or not, Mike Anderson will be the Razorback coach until Mike Anderson decides not to be.  Period.  But I hope I am wrong.

"Mike Anderson says that Mike Anderson be coach till Mike Anderson wants to be coach."
-Mike Anderson

[Cinco de Hogo]

"Mike Anderson says that Mike Anderson be coach till Mike Anderson wants to be coach."
-Mike Anderson

Have you guys heard anything about the rumor that Mike Anderson was going to be the coach at Arkansas until he dint want to be the coach at Arkansas?

[hog.goblin]

If things don't get better we might pull a Georgia at around year ten but you just as well stay with the program because after all your Hog Fans.

pulling a Georgia would be firing Mike after last year, and winning 27 of 36 games (same as 9 of 12).  That ain't happening.

[Blutoblutarsky]

Crapathy is right. I can't pay people to take my tickets to hog games. Hog basketball is dead. 27 wins last year (over 63.777799%) against losing record teams, doesn't open the eyes of anyone. #slowest40 #40minutesofdogcrap

[elksnort]

It doesn't generate more traffic because only groupthink is allowed.

THIS.

[Letsroll1200]

Crapathy is right. I can't pay people to take my tickets to hog games. Hog basketball is dead. 27 wins last year (over 63.777799%) against losing record teams, doesn't open the eyes of anyone. #slowest40 #40minutesofdogcrap

The football team overall record of the teams they beat was 48-34. I guess the football program is alive and well.

[root_hawg]

SEC football is either 1 or 2 in the country every year, SEC Basketball well it is what it is but it is getting better

[SooiecidetillNuttgone]

I totally disagree.

Tennessee might be the best 4 loss team in college football with losses of 5 points or less vs Alabama, Florida, Oklahoma and Arkansas.

Now let's go to the rest of the SEC, especially the SEC West where every team has a winning record except Auburn.

Alabama 11-1
Ole Miss 9-3
LSU 8-3
Miss State 8-4
Texas A&M 8-4
Arkansas 7-5

Now we go to the East That consists of 3 teams with 8 wins or more.

Florida 10-2
Georgia 9-3
Tennessee 8-4

The only conference in football that is close to SEC parity is the Pac 12 because only Oregon State and Colorado can classify as bad Power 5 schools. The Big 12, B1G 10 And ACC have more power 5 trash at the bottom.

I disagree totally, SEC is the best conference in football still.

Totally agree and I'll add some points.

1.  From the beginning of the season to the end, all these questions start popping up about is the SEC still the best.  As SEC teams start dropping the games, naysayers start chiming in.
In conference play, someone has to lose Jack!
Also, when the middle and lesser teams are still typically decent or better, this makes for a no-mistakes grind.

2.  Everyone loves and can't wait to knock off the giant.  The SEC doesn't seem to be as strong this year as in years past, but your above post illustrates that this is still a potent conference, despite what the giant slayers wish for and lust over.

[razoredge178]

College basketball is broken systematically. Until the NBA changes their policies, which they won't, the days of old that we miss so much will stay of old.

Run MA off, the next guy will yield the same mediocre results.

Not a big MA fan here, especially when he went out of his way last Spring after the tournament to take a jab at Pelphrey an Heath about how he doesn't just recruit on the court players, but off the court players...and then half his team ends up in jail by the end of the Summer.

Their is no local fix to a national problem.

[wheelspigharvey]

Not a big MA fan here, especially when he went out of his way last Spring after the tournament to take a jab at Pelphrey an Heath about how he doesn't just recruit on the court players, but off the court players...and then half his team ends up in jail by the end of the Summer.

The hell you talking about

[razoredge178]

?

His post season presser last year he took a jab at recent former coaches, suggesting that he's not just looking for talent on the court (like Pel and Heath did), but good kids off the court as well. Bit him in the a** when a few months later half of his starting line up is the Washington county lock up on counterfeiting charges.

[wheelspigharvey]

?

His post season presser last year he took a jab at recent former coaches, suggesting that he's not just looking for talent on the court (like Pel and Heath did), but good kids off the court as well. Bit him in the a** when a few months later half of his starting line up is the Washington county lock up on counterfeiting charges.

I'd like to hear/see the quote in context.  He's clearly talking about past coaches, not just coaching in general?  You know that all of Long's statements about the state of the program that spring were along the same lines too right? 

Also, roughly half of what could have made the starting line-up but not half the team. 

Not saying it didn't hurt us to lose them because I think it did but I just think that's a huge overstatement that he looked stupid for saying that he goes after guys that he hopes will do well off the court.   

[razoredge178]

I'd like to hear/see the quote in context.  He's clearly talking about past coaches, not just coaching in general?  You know that all of Long's statements about the state of the program that spring were along the same lines too right? 

Also, roughly half of what could have made the starting line-up but not half the team. 

Not saying it didn't hurt us to lose them because I think it did but I just think that's a huge overstatement that he looked stupid for saying that he goes after guys that he hopes will do well off the court.

He was on the post NCAA tourney high, and took a little swipe jab at Pel and Heath, indirectly indicating that they recruited thugs that could play ball and that he had a higher standard of recruiting. Its been talked about on these threads several times. It just turned out to be terrible timing, as his comments were on the eve of 1/2 of his prospective starting line up passing fake bills at the sleezy mart.

Which is getting off from my original post being that MA is a good coach and fit at the UofA, and that running him off won't fix the systematic problem that the NCAA has with the one and done phenomenon that is slowly destroying college basketball as we know it.

[wheelspigharvey]

He was on the post NCAA tourney high, and took a little swipe jab at Pel and Heath, indirectly indicating that they recruited thugs that could play ball and that he had a higher standard of recruiting. Its been talked about on these threads several times. It just turned out to be terrible timing, as his comments were on the eve of 1/2 of his prospective starting line up passing fake bills at the sleezy mart.

Which is getting off from my original post being that MA is a good coach and fit at the UofA, and that running him off won't fix the systematic problem that the NCAA has with the one and done phenomenon that is slowly destroying college basketball as we know it.

Word

[ArkansasI]

Which is getting off from my original post being that MA is a good coach and fit at the UofA, and that running him off won't fix the systematic problem that the NCAA has with the one and done phenomenon that is slowly destroying college basketball as we know it.

How many one and dones are there each year in the NCAA?  5?  10?  15?  Most of them play for about 3 teams.  I'm not sure how players deciding to pursue a professional basketball career is ruining college basketball.

If the problem is Kentucky, give kids a reason to stay home.  The Wildcats play nearly exclusively with out-of-state talent.  Are there no prepsters that won't buy what Cal is selling?

If you can't keep the players, figure out a way to beat them when you play them.  A reasonably skilled mature team ought to be able to beat most teams filled with 18 year old ballers.

Players going pro isn't the problem.  Fans pay to watch players demonstrate basketball skills.  Defense is a skill.  Passing is a skill.  Dribbling, shooting, rebounding/blocking out... these are all skills.  Fans haven't seen teams that demonstrate all these skills in a long time.  If you watch Kentucky, most will agree that their success is predicated on solid defense.  Defend the halfcourt, limit opponents' possessions to one shot... this can be taught.  Butler appeared in back to back Final Fours without any highly rated recruits.

Today's recruiting tidbits from Richard Davenport highlights the recruiting class Mike has coming in next year.  Statistically, they are easy to get excited about.  I look forward to seeing them.  I hope they defend as well as they shoot.

[razoredge178]

How many one and dones are there each year in the NCAA?  5?  10?  15?  Most of them play for about 3 teams.  I'm not sure how players deciding to pursue a professional basketball career is ruining college basketball.

If the problem is Kentucky, give kids a reason to stay home.  The Wildcats play nearly exclusively with out-of-state talent.  Are there no prepsters that won't buy what Cal is selling?

If you can't keep the players, figure out a way to beat them when you play them.  A reasonably skilled mature team ought to be able to beat most teams filled with 18 year old ballers.

Players going pro isn't the problem.  Fans pay to watch players demonstrate basketball skills.  Defense is a skill.  Passing is a skill.  Dribbling, shooting, rebounding/blocking out... these are all skills.  Fans haven't seen teams that demonstrate all these skills in a long time.  If you watch Kentucky, most will agree that their success is predicated on solid defense.  Defend the halfcourt, limit opponents' possessions to one shot... this can be taught.  Butler appeared in back to back Final Fours without any highly rated recruits.

Today's recruiting tidbits from Richard Davenport highlights the recruiting class Mike has coming in next year.  Statistically, they are easy to get excited about.  I look forward to seeing them.  I hope they defend as well as they shoot.

Mike Irwin had a good take on it....

http://www.nationofblue.com/arkansas-radio-guy-trashes-malik-monk-and-john-calipari-in-epic-rant/