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razorhogfanatic

November 25, 2015, 01:26:52 pm
New (old) topic from another thread...

Despite disagreements about whether Arkansas is a football or basketball school, we're among probably only three schools in the SEC who has a well-rounded program between the big three (football, basketball, and baseball); the others probably being an LSU or a Florida.

For us, we have had just enough success in football and basketball to keep tradition alive (though the basketball championship is more recent). For the most part, many fans will follow and show up for all three sports (though the "average" razorback fan these days would probably not be aware that there is a basketball game going on that night).

For example, how many at Alabama are die-hard Crimson Tide basketball fans? They'd probably only pack their arena if Kentucky is coming to town or if Saban is being honored at half-time.

The nature of the beast is that among all sports (college AND professional), due to popularity, media attention, and money, football remains king. College basketball, while still followed by many, doesn't have the luster that it once had until March Madness rolls around (with the exception of schools like Duke, Kentucky, etc.). A lot of people probably don't even realize that there is such a thing as college baseball.

One thing, as a fan, that I am proud of is that we have a well-rounded program between the big three sports (and other sports, i.e. track and field) at Arkansas.

The side bar is, that, if success is repeated, the programs stand the test of time. If not, the past success is often lost in the void. If Arkansas can't repeat it's success, then the basketball success of the late 70's to mid 90's will sadly become a forgotten page in history (i.e. who knew that Kentucky has claimed a football national championship in 1950?). This is something that will always be in flux.

Kevin

November 25, 2015, 02:28:06 pm #1
Baseball
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Atlhogfan1

November 25, 2015, 02:31:53 pm #2
Most balanced fan base in the South when it comes to this and one of the most balanced in college sports.

Baseball is our best program currently relative to how well it does in the SEC and how nationally relevant it is.  And support is as good as any in the country.

We are a football school. 
Quote from: MaconBacon on March 22, 2018, 10:30:04 amWe had a good run in the 90's and one NC and now the whole state still laments that we are a top seed program and have kids standing in line to come to good ole Arkansas.  We're just a flash in the pan boys. 

ErieHog

November 25, 2015, 06:37:41 pm #3
We want desperately to be a football school, but aren't.

Arkansas is a basketball school that's looking to rebound from hard times.  Baseball is as strong as you'll find a college baseball program to be.
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Knot2brite

November 25, 2015, 08:11:32 pm #4
At one time or another we have been a football, basketball, baseball and track school. But at this moment we are a much more successful baseball school than we are the others. The trick to it all is to become as successful as baseball has been in the last 10-14 years.
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Inhogswetrust

November 25, 2015, 10:18:48 pm #5
Quote from: ErieHog on November 25, 2015, 06:37:41 pm
We want desperately to be a football school, but aren't.

Arkansas is a basketball school that's looking to rebound from hard times.  Baseball is as strong as you'll find a college baseball program to be.

Wrong except the baseball part and it isn't 100% since we've never won a NC in baseball. I DO believe we will at some point but for some reason we haven't.
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Inhogswetrust

November 25, 2015, 10:19:53 pm #6
Quote from: Atlhogfan1 on November 25, 2015, 02:31:53 pm
Most balanced fan base in the South when it comes to this and one of the most balanced in college sports.

Baseball is our best program currently relative to how well it does in the SEC and how nationally relevant it is.  And support is as good as any in the country.

We are a football school. 

We are a football school primarily but track has still performed better than baseball. I love the fact we rate a fairly well rounded sports program as others have eluded to. That's the way I think all schools should strive to be. We've done very well in the overall college sports program rankings over the years.
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HiggiePiggy

November 25, 2015, 10:28:03 pm #7
We are a track school......
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HognitiveDissonance

November 25, 2015, 10:57:59 pm #8
Good points and Hog fans should be proud that they do have such varying interests and programs of success.

I will always say basketball 'should' be where we hang our hat, and that's why I have higher expectations there. The SEC is not as cutthroat as other sports, we have a rich tradition, a great arena, and passionate fans. Fact is, most SEC schools any success in basketball is taken as gravy, football is still their potatoes. The natural order should be UK in the East and UA in the West most years.

311Hog

November 26, 2015, 12:18:17 am #9
this post comes up from time to time.  personally I believe in the south everyone is a football school even if you are vandy or Kentucky.  Because football is what "most" people truly care about the most.  Sure we are probably a track school by past success, and probably currently a baseball school by "recent" achievements, but honestly if you were to ask any Hog fan what sport they "most" want a championship in they will choose football every time. At least that has been my experience.

nwahogfan1

November 26, 2015, 08:21:29 am #10
I think we must be a TRACK school if going by national success as a measuring stick.   But if going by money generated and people attending it will always be football then followed by basketball and baseball.

We need Football to become more successful if we want to get on the national map again.  Because of our average to bad success most years the average football fan around the country know very little about us and could care less.

ICEman

November 26, 2015, 09:13:15 am #11
Quote from: HiggiePiggy on November 25, 2015, 10:28:03 pm
We are a track school......
Until 2008.
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Captain Morgan

November 26, 2015, 09:44:58 am #12
Football would be the answer I would select because 70,000 fans do not come to round ball or diamond ball games. The passion from the Hog fans is mostly football  :razorback: ;)
 

cypert2

November 26, 2015, 11:59:31 am #13
Quote from: Captain Morgan on November 26, 2015, 09:44:58 am
Football would be the answer I would select because 70,000 fans do not come to round ball or diamond ball games. The passion from the Hog fans is mostly football  :razorback: ;)
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LR_Matt

November 27, 2015, 07:08:34 pm #14
I wonder if the OP says well rounded because we're not really good at anything???


I say we're a football school per the fan response but never really do very well.

Hogarusa

November 27, 2015, 07:30:48 pm #15
Should be a basketball school but the support is long gone and we are in a football first conference that the Hogs have won 0 times.  It's frustrating, not sure how it changes.

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FEARTHEPIG

November 27, 2015, 08:26:58 pm #16
Track

HiggiePiggy

November 27, 2015, 09:33:14 pm #17
Quote from: Hogarusa on November 27, 2015, 07:30:48 pm
Should be a basketball school but the support is long gone and we are in a football first conference that the Hogs have won 0 times.  It's frustrating, not sure how it changes.



Sadly every conference needs its middle of the road programs.  We happen to be one of those for the last 20 years.   
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popcornhog

November 28, 2015, 05:42:47 pm #18
Quote from: razorhogfanatic on November 25, 2015, 01:26:52 pm
New (old) topic from another thread...

Despite disagreements about whether Arkansas is a football or basketball school, we're among probably only three schools in the SEC who has a well-rounded program between the big three (football, basketball, and baseball); the others probably being an LSU or a Florida.

For us, we have had just enough success in football and basketball to keep tradition alive (though the basketball championship is more recent). For the most part, many fans will follow and show up for all three sports (though the "average" razorback fan these days would probably not be aware that there is a basketball game going on that night).

For example, how many at Alabama are die-hard Crimson Tide basketball fans? They'd probably only pack their arena if Kentucky is coming to town or if Saban is being honored at half-time.

The nature of the beast is that among all sports (college AND professional), due to popularity, media attention, and money, football remains king. College basketball, while still followed by many, doesn't have the luster that it once had until March Madness rolls around (with the exception of schools like Duke, Kentucky, etc.). A lot of people probably don't even realize that there is such a thing as college baseball.

One thing, as a fan, that I am proud of is that we have a well-rounded program between the big three sports (and other sports, i.e. track and field) at Arkansas.

The side bar is, that, if success is repeated, the programs stand the test of time. If not, the past success is often lost in the void. If Arkansas can't repeat it's success, then the basketball success of the late 70's to mid 90's will sadly become a forgotten page in history (i.e. who knew that Kentucky has claimed a football national championship in 1950?). This is something that will always be in flux.

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We are unequivocally a track school.
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MountieDawg

November 28, 2015, 05:54:17 pm #19
TRACK is the only consistent winner
SEC!

311Hog

December 06, 2015, 11:33:02 pm #20
Quote from: Hogarusa on November 27, 2015, 07:30:48 pm
Should be a basketball school but the support is long gone and we are in a football first conference that the Hogs have won 0 times.  It's frustrating, not sure how it changes.



you know I was watching another college basketball game I forget who was playing but they had the student section encircle the entire court about 8 rows deep. IMHO that is what we need.  the bud just does not have an atmosphere anymore get the students in there and really give the place some life.

Hawg414

December 07, 2015, 05:15:37 am #21
Quote from: 311Hog on December 06, 2015, 11:33:02 pm
you know I was watching another college basketball game I forget who was playing but they had the student section encircle the entire court about 8 rows deep. IMHO that is what we need.  the bud just does not have an atmosphere anymore get the students in there and really give the place some life.

cant.  we cater to the blue haired wal mart transplants who spend a little more per.  and JL is not about to do anything that takes a dollar out of our pocket.

SPAL

December 07, 2015, 05:39:46 am #22

311Hog

December 07, 2015, 10:52:10 am #23
Quote from: Hawg414 on December 07, 2015, 05:15:37 am
cant.  we cater to the blue haired wal mart transplants who spend a little more per.  and JL is not about to do anything that takes a dollar out of our pocket.

yeah i know that but in this game all of those people were still there, they were just behind the student section that wrapped around the entire court.  And of course the court side seats for the big money were there.  I just think a rabid student section would make an avg. team good and a good team great.
 

Hawg414

December 07, 2015, 02:34:18 pm #24
Quote from: 311Hog on December 07, 2015, 10:52:10 am
yeah i know that but in this game all of those people were still there, they were just behind the student section that wrapped around the entire court.  And of course the court side seats for the big money were there.  I just think a rabid student section would make an avg. team good and a good team great.

oh i completely agree.  wont get an argument from me on that one.  i just know it wont happen.  bc if JL has proven anything, its that a dollar in the pocket is far more valuable than a butt in the seat. 

thats why i laugh when people say declining attendance is going to be MAs downfall.  JL is a smart man.  he understands market tendencies.  and he knows that rising prices are directly proportionate to declining attendance.  but as long as 1 seat at 50 bucks still equals more than 2 seats at 20 bucks, declining attendance is the least of his concerns. 

thirrdegreetusker

December 07, 2015, 04:04:08 pm #25
Quote from: 311Hog on December 06, 2015, 11:33:02 pm
the bud just does not have an atmosphere anymore get the students in there and really give the place some life.

I have been attending Hog bball games since I was a student in the 70s. I would characterize the UA student support, as a whole, as "front runner", and sometimes not even that good.

My first clue was that, after the Hogs first Final Four in '78, the student allotment was not fully picked up, seven months later. Free season tickets, for the squad that had finished third in the nation the year before, and students could not be bothered to walk down to the Broyles Complex and pick them up.

Next clue. After graduation, I had kept a watchful eye on the DemGaz  to get "student turnback tickets". These were tickets that students had not picked up, unavailable to the donors, held/reserved for the students until just days before games started. Once the announcement hit the paper, it was first come, first served. This was while Eddie was still here, with UA finishing in the top 25 six years in a row. I got these "student turnbacks" for years.

Eddie left, and NR struggled a bit. So UA ticket office sent me a letter, asking if I wanted my "turnback" tickets to be permanent. Duh, yes.

Nothing has changed. If the Hogs are predicted to be good, and we have a name opponent, yes, the students will likely show up and add to the energy. Otherwise, those seats are hardly ever full.

We hit rock bottom when the big celebrity fan in the student section was "Bubba Hog", who wore blue to Hog games. Blue?
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