Which Anti-Arkansas Basketball betrayal was worst?

[Uberanubis]

Thing is

If what we've been told today is true, Malik WANTED to be a Hog. Marcus wanted him to go to Kentucky.

I'm less disappointed with Malik than Marcus.

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I call bull, if he REALLY want to play for the hogs he would have told his brother to F off that this was HIS decision. I blame both brothers. malik is getting something behind closed doors through the organization his brother is trying to promote. this reeks of shady money laundering going on.

[Blutoblutarsky]

After everything we did for his family, paying his moms mortgage, giving Marcus a GA job and moving his family out of that crap Lepanto place. Malik.

[DeltaBoy]

As I said on Bo's show if it Business then sell out and all the Monks can move to Kentucky.

[SemperFi]

Guilty by association....Malik mUnK gets my vote. Betrayed by a former Razorback great has me pissed off and ready to fight. Just saying that I hate anything and all things kentucky basketball is not good enough. I want to see that program burned to the ground and Calipari toast right along with them.

[cypert2]

Anybody that ever thought Monk was coming to Arkansas is delusional. If you would of asked me two years ago, or one year ago, or last week I would of told you the same thing every time; he's a lock for Kentucky.  Might as well face the facts. Arkansas is totally irrelevant in basketball. Those that are happy with going to the NCAA tourny every four or five years should be ecstatic with MA as our coach. Cause that's what we are going to get.

["Pickled" Pig's Pete]

There aren't enough words that can bypass our profanity feature to express how I feel about Eddie Sutton.

You feel about Eddie how I feel about Lorrie Morgan...that heifer killed Keith Whitley - I hope she rots.   

[ErieHog]

You feel about Eddie how I feel about Lorrie Morgan...that heifer killed Keith Whitley - I hope she rots.   

Her, too.  A country singer should drink himself to death over something more respectable than that peroxide floozie.

["Pickled" Pig's Pete]

Her, too.  A country singer should drink himself to death over something more respectable than that peroxide floozie.

I will never - EVER - say anything good about her.  I hope she and Eddie share a special corner in hell...

[Jeff "hogfanintx" Anderson]

Say what you want, but when it comes down to it not many with any sense would choose Arkansas over Kentucky at this point.

If Malik is as good as advertised why would he play anywhere but Kentucky.  These top players want that big Pay Day.

Coach Cal can be any bad stuff you want to call him, but he has kids going in the first round every year. Some years several.

[Rey Pygsterio]

The worst by far was the fans' betrayal on Nolan. End of poll.

[Mike Irwin]

Anybody that ever thought Monk was coming to Arkansas is delusional. If you would of asked me two years ago, or one year ago, or last week I would of told you the same thing every time; he's a lock for Kentucky.  Might as well face the facts. Arkansas is totally irrelevant in basketball. Those that are happy with going to the NCAA tourny every four or five years should be ecstatic with MA as our coach. Cause that's what we are going to get.

Total nonsense.

The recruiting of Malik Monk was pretty similiar to what's going on all over the country with these AAU kids who are identifed at age 14 as a future one and done. Don't blame Mike Anderson and don't blame the kid. There are people around these young athletes who package them and deliver them. I don't care if they are step dads, guardians, big brothers or coaches. They are handlers. They don't do this just to occupy their time.

Who benefits from a one and done?

Is there any evidence that a kid is more likely to have a solid NBA career by going one and done as opposed to spending three years in college?

Is the school better off? Kentucky won a bunch of NCAA championship before one and done. They've won once since then. Calipari with juniors and seniors would be more likely to win it all than Calipari with freshmen and sophomores.

Do the fans benefit? These days being a Kentucky basketball fan is like going to minor league baseball games. Get to know your players in a hurry because in the blink of an eye they will be gone.

What about the NBA? Are you better off with a one and done than a kid that's spent three years in a good college program?

The people that benefit from a one and done are the handlers because they get their cut of that NBA contract sooner.

[TomBigBeeHog]

Some of that Calimari slime must have rubbed off on some of the people around Malik.

["Pickled" Pig's Pete]

Some of that Calimari slime must have rubbed off on some of the people around Malik.

I see what you did there...

[Hogmeier]

I was at the Bentonville/Conway last night. Conway may have had it's largest crowd of the season.

The kid is good great! It was crazy to see people go from booing to cheering back to booing all for Monk in a matter of seconds. I don't commend booing a 17-18 year old...but I wish the Conway band had learned the Arkansas Fight song before this game and played it every chance they could.

It hurts that he picked Kentucky over Arkansas, but I'm more disappointed in myself that I spent money to watch this kid.

[GoHogs1091]

James Anderson going to Oklahoma State.

Anderson was better than Archie Goodwin and Malik Monk.  In fact, I probably wouldn't put Goodwin and Monk on a Top 5 of All-Time Arkansas High School Basketball player list.

[TomBigBeeHog]

James Anderson going to Oklahoma State.

Anderson was better than Archie Goodwin and Malik Monk.  In fact, I probably wouldn't put Goodwin and Monk on a Top 5 of All-Time Arkansas High School Basketball player list.

Who was James Anderson?

[The_Iceman]

James Anderson going to Oklahoma State.

Anderson was better than Archie Goodwin and Malik Monk.  In fact, I probably wouldn't put Goodwin and Monk on a Top 5 of All-Time Arkansas High School Basketball player list.

Anderson's Career averages at Oklahoma State:
17.9 ppg, 5.1 rebs, 1.6 asts, 1.1 stls, 38% 3pt, 34 mins per game.
-His senior season was 22.3 ppg.

You may actually have a point there. Anderson was before a lot of the social media craze and advertising. He was a big miss by our program.

[TomBigBeeHog]

Anderson's Career averages at Oklahoma State:
17.9 ppg, 5.1 rebs, 1.6 asts, 1.1 stls, 38% 3pt, 34 mins per game.
-His senior season was 22.3 ppg.

Pretty good stat line. Awesome in fact. Should have been a Hog and I would have remembered him for sure.

[J-Five]

I wish I could conjure up that much emotion about anything...or this much anger about something that happened 30 years ago. Wow. I can't even imagine harboring that much hatred or anger about anything sports related. 

I am in awe.

It's really sad that a grown man (I think) has that much anger towards another man who didn't do anything directly to him, his family, or his health...pretty sad actually to let folks know that a man (who doesn't even know him) is affecting him.  LOL....S-A-D

[jchill]

Betrayal...really? Who did Monk betray? University of Arkansas or the state of Arkansas? What does he owe to either of those two entities? Same with Goodwin.

I agree with you. I do not consider his decision a betrayal. However, if Marcus received favors for his brother from influential people with the understanding that he would be Hog, then I can understand the backlash. Nobody likes to feel used and that's the feeling I get from reading some articles about this. 

[root_hawg]

None of these are "anti-arkansas betrayal" kind of a silly topic if you ask.  None of these guys owed anything to Arkansas.  Respect his decision and move on.

[hogman99]

James Anderson going to Oklahoma State.

Anderson was better than Archie Goodwin and Malik Monk.  In fact, I probably wouldn't put Goodwin and Monk on a Top 5 of All-Time Arkansas High School Basketball player list.

James Anderson is not better than Malik Monk. I have seen them both play on numerous occasions and Monk is the better overall player.  We will see for sure as Monk's career in college and pros continue.

[root_hawg]

Monk said the reason he chose Kentucky ... the chance to play with his buddies from the AAU circuit and the chance to win a National Championship.  He is going to be in college one year, Arkansas offered neither of those to him.

[cypert2]

Total nonsense.

The recruiting of Malik Monk was pretty similiar to what's going on all over the country with these AAU kids who are identifed at age 14 as a future one and done. Don't blame Mike Anderson and don't blame the kid. There are people around these young athletes who package them and deliver them. I don't care if they are step dads, guardians, big brothers or coaches. They are handlers. They don't do this just to occupy their time.

Who benefits from a one and done?

Is there any evidence that a kid is more likely to have a solid NBA career by going one and done as opposed to spending three years in college?

Is the school better off? Kentucky won a bunch of NCAA championship before one and done. They've won once since then. Calipari with juniors and seniors would be more likely to win it all than Calipari with freshmen and sophomores.

Do the fans benefit? These days being a Kentucky basketball fan is like going to minor league baseball games. Get to know your players in a hurry because in the blink of an eye they will be gone.

What about the NBA? Are you better off with a one and done than a kid that's spent three years in a good college program?

The people that benefit from a one and done are the handlers because they get their cut of that NBA contract sooner.

You claim my post was "total nonsense", but never explain just what I said that was "total nonsense." First of all I never blamed Monk. I simply said he was never coming to Arkansas. I saw him play in the ninth grade. It was evident to me then, and to most people that now anything about basketball, that he was a one and done type talent. Most one and done type talent goes to a one and done type school. They don't come to Arkansas. I could of told you when he was in the ninth grade that he'd play for Calipari.
As far as Arkansas basketball becoming irrelevant, well maybe it is still relevant to the 7,000 or so fans who will flock to BWA arena this year to watch the games, but most fans have become apathetic about Razorback basketball. It's tough to be relevant in both major sports. Do you think Kentucky fans sit around all summer anxious for football to start? You think Bama fans are all excited now that basketball has started? In recent history Florida is the only SEC school that has had great success in both major sports. Like it or not, Arkansas has become a football school.
As far my assertion the MA will get us to the NCAA tourney once every several years, until I see something to prove me wrong, don't see how that can be called "total nonsense." I hope he proves me wrong, but doubt that he will.

[Albert Einswine]

Like it or not, Arkansas has become a football school.

Arkansas has always been a football school that had 2 great runs in basketball. Even when we were in our deepest prolonged football funk in the 90's people still turned out for the games. Attendance for football never dropped off as precipitously for football as it has for basketball.

[ErieHog]

Arkansas has always been a football school that had 2 great runs in basketball. Even when we were in our deepest prolonged football funk in the 90's people still turned out for the games. Attendance for football never dropped off as precipitously for football as it has for basketball.

Arkansas hasn't been a football school since 1980.    We want desperately to be one, and perhaps we're reaching a level where we can experience success that reflects it, but we've been a basketball school a very long time

[Albert Einswine]

Arkansas hasn't been a football school since 1980.    We want desperately to be one, and perhaps we're reaching a level where we can experience success that reflects it, but we've been a basketball school a very long time

I'm aware of your stance, but you're wrong.

[ErieHog]

I'm aware of your stance, but you're wrong.

It boils down to a very simple truth:  you are what you do, no matter what you aspire to be-- and the evidence is stark.

We're a basketball school, albeit one working to get past hard times.

[Albert Einswine]

It boils down to a very simple truth:  you are what you do, no matter what you aspire to be-- and the evidence is stark.

We're a basketball school, albeit one working to get past hard times.

You're simply wrong. We've always been a football school and we always will be. We're a football state.

Indiana and Purdue are basketball schools and they always will be. Indiana is a basketball state.

[ErieHog]

You're simply wrong. We've always been a football school and we always will be. We're a football state.

Indiana and Purdue are basketball schools and they always will be. Indiana is a basketball state.

We want desperately to be a football state;  there is nothing that more of us would like better-- but the results don't lie.

Maybe someday it can change again.   

[Albert Einswine]

We want desperately to be a football state;  there is nothing that more of us would like better-- but the results don't lie.

Maybe someday it can change again.   

It has never changed. We are a football state. Basketball bides time in the football offseason. Kids in schools too small for football wish they could play football and have to settle for basketball and baseball. That's the reality.

Just because we've seen a generation of up and down football success hasn't changed who and what we are. Football has always been the primary focus for fans of UofA athletics and it always will be.

[ErieHog]

It has never changed. We are a football state. Basketball bides time in the football offseason. Kids in schools too small for football wish they could play football and have to settle for basketball and baseball. That's the reality.

Just because we've seen a generation of up and down football success hasn't changed who and what we are. Football has always been the primary focus for fans of UofA athletics and it always will be.

Actually, it exactly does change what we are.

Our success levels between the sports haven't been comparable in the lifetime of half the fan base.

Let that sink in, a bit.   You can wish, you can hope, and you can claim all you want--  leave Arkansas, and ask-- its an excellent barometer, with people who have no personal investment.

The answer is almost univerally 'basketball school'.

[Albert Einswine]

Actually, it exactly does change what we are.

Our success levels between the sports haven't been comparable in the lifetime of half the fan base.

Let that sink in, a bit.   You can wish, you can hope, and you can claim all you want--  leave Arkansas, and ask-- its an excellent barometer, with people who have no personal investment.

The answer is almost univerally 'basketball school'.

That's the polar opposite of my experience living outside the state. The people I communicate with think of us as a football school that had a brief run of really good basketball success.

[Mike Irwin]

Arkansas has always been a football school that had 2 great runs in basketball. Even when we were in our deepest prolonged football funk in the 90's people still turned out for the games. Attendance for football never dropped off as precipitously for football as it has for basketball.

Don't buy Cyper2's baloney on the crowds. Over 14,000 season tickets have been sold. Except for the first few years after Bud Walton opened crowds have always been down in November and December.

Once SEC play starts fans will begin to use those tickets and this basketball program will probably end up third in the SEC in attendance when the season is over just like last year. The school is nowhere near third in football attendance. When it comes to fan support Arkansas is a basketball school too.

[Dr. Starcs]

We are a football state, without a doubt. The sad thing is, for all the emphasis put on football around our state, our high schools only produce a handful of sec caliber players on a yearly basis.

[Albert Einswine]

Don't buy Cyper2's baloney on the crowds. Over 14,000 season tickets have been sold. Except for the first few years after Bud Walton opened crowds have always been down in November and December.

Once SEC play starts fans will begin to use those tickets and this basketball program will probably end up third in the SEC in attendance when the season is over just like last year. The school is nowhere near third in football attendance. When it comes to fan support Arkansas is a basketball school too.

Yes, we've enjoyed great basketball support over the years. But if you made Arkansas fans choose between the two, the overwhelming majority would choose football.

[McKdaddy]

James Anderson going to Oklahoma State.

Anderson was better than Archie Goodwin and Malik Monk.  In fact, I probably wouldn't put Goodwin and Monk on a Top 5 of All-Time Arkansas High School Basketball player list.

I forgot about him. Good call.

[McKdaddy]

That's the polar opposite of my experience living outside the state. The people I communicate with think of us as a football school that had a brief run of really good basketball success.

Agreed. That's my living out-of-state experience as well.

[HardCore]

We are a football state, without a doubt. The sad thing is, for all the emphasis put on football around our state, our high schools only produce a handful of sec caliber players on a yearly basis.

That is a systematic issue that needs corrected from the State.  No reason Arkansas should not develop enough SEC talent to keep Fayetteville well stocked.  School consolidation, facilities, high paid coaches, etc.  Much deeper than this, but you get the general ideology.  Simply no point-of-focus, or leadership in moving the state forward in both academia or extra-curriculum.

[ErieHog]

Yes, we've enjoyed great basketball support over the years. But if you made Arkansas fans choose between the two, the overwhelming majority would choose football.

Which isn't the qualifier that determines what you are.

Success does.

You can call yourself a Martian; it doesn't make you one.

[Albert Einswine]

Which isn't the qualifier that determines what you are.

Success does.

You can call yourself a Martian; it doesn't make you one.

I get a kick out of you on this subject. I don't think anyone would say we've had greater success in basketball since 1998 to the present. We haven't had overwhelming success in football, but it has definitely been better than basketball.

I just have to discount your premise as pretty out there.

[ErieHog]

I get a kick out of you on this subject. I don't think anyone would say we've had greater success in basketball since 1998 to the present. We haven't had overwhelming success in football, but it has definitely been better than basketball.

I just have to discount your premise as pretty out there.

'98 is a super arbitrary point, but even accepting that premise, our football peak has been losing a major bowl game- so, being borderline top 10.

Keep in mind, that's in a sport that has about a third as many teams competing.    We've won a couple of tournament games in that period, which isn't exactly being blown away by football in comparative success.

I'd really recommend talking to people under 40, when you are out and about.

[Albert Einswine]

'98 is a super arbitrary point, but even accepting that premise, our football peak has been losing a major bowl game- so, being borderline top 10.

Keep in mind, that's in a sport that has about a third as many teams competing.    We've won a couple of tournament games in that period, which isn't exactly being blown away by football in comparative success.

I'd really recommend talking to people under 40, when you are out and about.

You and I are never going to agree on this subject. We have this debate every couple of years it seems.

We're a football school.

[PonderinHog]

And give Eddie a break, mane!  He'd been drankin'.   

[ErieHog]

You and I are never going to agree on this subject. We have this debate every couple of years it seems.

We're a football school.

The only hold outs in the basketball/football school debate are generally hard core football fans 45 and older, with only marginal interest in basketball.

[GS99]

That's the polar opposite of my experience living outside the state. The people I communicate with think of us as a football school that had a brief run of really good basketball success.

I grew up in another state and knew Arkansas as a basketball school from Sidney Moncrief to Corliss Williamson and had no idea Arkansas cared about football or was ever any good.  Maybe how Arkansans would view Arizona or something: in a good conference and probably plays in a bowl now and then, but nothing of distinction.

For some people outside the state it's probably Arkansas is southern and SEC and therefore a football school, but Arkansas football does not have a high profile outside the state.  Frank Broyles and the 60s teams were before my time and I knew nothing of that before I moved to Arkansas, and I'm in my 50s.

[GS99]

After everything we did for his family, paying his moms mortgage, giving Marcus a GA job and moving his family out of that crap Lepanto place. Malik.

Now you know how ORU fans felt after Rotnei Clark committed to the hogs.

[FEARTHEPIG]

You people are forgetting the banners that were flying over RRS and the FOI of phone records of a head coach while Marcus played at the U of A. Now would you advise your brother to go to a school where the fans did that? I wouldn't either.

[TomBigBeeHog]

You people are forgetting the banners that were flying over RRS and the FOI of phone records of a head coach while Marcus played at the U of A. Now would you advise your brother to go to a school where the fans did that? I wouldn't either.

So you think Marcus has had it in for us the whole time and was just biding his time to make his move?

[Atlhogfan1]

Arkansas has always been a football school that had 2 great runs in basketball. Even when we were in our deepest prolonged football funk in the 90's people still turned out for the games. Attendance for football never dropped off as precipitously for football as it has for basketball.

I agree.  We have this discussion every year.  We have some hard core basketball fans many of whom came of age during Nolan's peak that will disagree.  I do believe we have the most balanced fan base in the SEC and the South when it comes to supporting football/basketball.  But the Razorback brand was built on football.  The state does have a lot of towns who are basketball focused including some of the bigger ones like FC and JB to go along with the LR public schools.  But this isn't Kentucky or Indiana. 

I don't think this has anything to do with Malik's decision.

Recruits have left occasionally.  It has always been this way and always will be.  When sagas like this one with Monk come up, it always makes me think of Keith Lee. 


http://www.upi.com/Archives/1988/09/29/Former-Memphis-State-basketball-coach-Dana-Kirk-gave-Keith/6434591508800/


Eddie's comments were directed to Frank.