Does Super Bowl 49 prove you have to push the envelope to win?

[sooeey pig pig pig]

Some call it cheating, Patriots call it winning.   

Nobody seems to care about Spygate or Deflategate tonight.

How far is too far when pushing the envelope?

[Bubba's Bruisers]

Deflation gate is so overblown.  Had no affect on that game.  Players cheat all the time on the field to gain an advantage.  It'll never be stopped.

[theFlyingHog]

What was the final score of that Pats-Colts game?? 40something to 7? And the football psi had everything to do with that? People love buying into the garbage the media spits out

[Albert Einswine]

Chris Carter is acting like an idiot about it.

Brady broke the Super Bowl record for completions, the Pats didn't fumble, receivers didn't drop balls and the balls were regulation.

Everybody is just going to have to deal with it.

[RazorChuck]

It proves that cheaters always prosper.

[Arkfan]

The National Championship trophies at Alabama, Ohio State, Auburn, and a few other schools proved that a long time before Super Bowl 49.

[DeltaBoy]

The No Call on the WR that was tripped on 3rd down in the 4th Quarter was so bad the Broadcasters even commented on it. New England is a Cheat to win program.

[justmakeit2thebcs]

The No Call on the WR that was tripped on 3rd down in the 4th Quarter was so bad the Broadcasters even commented on it. New England is a Cheat to win program.

So having a penalty not called is cheating?  The Seahawks and the Pats DB's hold and grab on every play knowing the refs won't call them all.   I guess everyone cheats then.

[jkstock04]

Chris Carter is acting like an idiot about it.

Brady broke the Super Bowl record for completions, the Pats didn't fumble, receivers didn't drop balls and the balls were regulation.

Everybody is just going to have to deal with it.

Beyond obvious where your bias is gonna be here...lol.

If what they are saying is true then there is still an ongoing investigation. Personally, I don't think anything will happen to the Patriots, but I won't be surprised if the NFL takes measures to see this doesn't happen again in the future.

[popcornhog]

Some call it cheating, Patriots call it winning.   

Nobody seems to care about Spygate or Deflategate tonight.

How far is too far when pushing the envelope?

I would say that it proves that you should run the ball on 2nd and goal on the 1 with :20 to go and a timeout remaining to ensure a win.

[discombobulationist]

The No Call on the WR that was tripped on 3rd down in the 4th Quarter was so bad the Broadcasters even commented on it. New England is a Cheat to win program.

The refs also missed a roughing the kicker on Seattle that would have given NE a first down. So both teams were robbed of a first down and had to punt. I'd say that the game was pretty evenly called.

[hogsanity]

Cheating has to be defined, and sometimes it is not easy to do. If golf, if you use the old foot wedge to get out of a bad lie, that is obviously cheating. To me cheating is a deliberate act. If a DB is going for a pass breakup, and gets there early and hits the WR, was he cheating, or did he just mis-time his hit?

[jm]

I don't know what the punishment should be now that the superbowl is over, but it should be severe. Someone within their organization altered the equipment used in the game. It is similar to a using  a corked bat. It's not a big enough advantage to change a church league hitter into a major league hitter, but it is an advantage. I don't know if using regulation footballs would have changed the outcome of that game or not, but it might have. Also; this isn't a situation where you can single out an individual. Who asked for the ball to be altered, the QB, the center, the receivers? Someone made the decision to alter the ball. It is the organizations obligation to control these issues, and they meet that obligation.

[scruf]

Some call it cheating, Patriots call it winning.   

Nobody seems to care about Spygate or Deflategate tonight.

How far is too far when pushing the envelope?

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[TexHog188]

Chris Carter is acting like an idiot about it.

Brady broke the Super Bowl record for completions, the Pats didn't fumble, receivers didn't drop balls and the balls were regulation.

Everybody is just going to have to deal with it.

The argument for deflated balls being an advantage had more to do with frigid weather and the ability to grip it better in those conditions.  I'm not sure anyone would argue that under perfect conditions it would be a big deal.

[Albert Einswine]

The argument for deflated balls being an advantage had more to do with frigid weather and the ability to grip it better in those conditions.  I'm not sure anyone would argue that under perfect conditions it would be a big deal.

Yeah, I understand the argument just fine, and I don't condone it if anyone in the organization was violating the league's rules for air pressure in footballs, but I just think way too much is being made about not too much in the grand scheme.

The Patriots succeed because no one prepares any better. Air pressure doesn't have anything to do with blocking, tackling, rushing, route running and reading defenses.

[sooeey pig pig pig]

If you ain't cheatin, you ain't tryin!

[TexHog188]

I get it too, some rules just don't apply if you're really good at everything else.

[ar_hog_fan]

I don't know what the punishment should be now that the superbowl is over, but it should be severe. Someone within their organization altered the equipment used in the game. It is similar to a using  a corked bat. It's not a big enough advantage to change a church league hitter into a major league hitter, but it is an advantage. I don't know if using regulation footballs would have changed the outcome of that game or not, but it might have. Also; this isn't a situation where you can single out an individual. Who asked for the ball to be altered, the QB, the center, the receivers? Someone made the decision to alter the ball. It is the organizations obligation to control these issues, and they meet that obligation.

I'm sorry, but those balls had nothing to do with the outcome of that game. The score was 17-7 at the half. The psi issue was then discovered and regulation balls were brought in for the second half. In the second half, with regulation footballs, the Pats outscored Indy 28-0. So take that for what it's worth.

[hawkhawg]

I think it proved that if you have a great qb and a great coach all the other positions are dispensable.

[Pigsknuckles]

What was the final score of that Pats-Colts game?? 40something to 7? And the football psi had everything to do with that? People love buying into the garbage the media spits out

Can't wait to see what the HV conspiracy theorists say when they find out that the grass under the players feet in the Super Bowl venue was cultivated for 2 years in Alabama.

[Lake City Hog]

So, did they change the football when Indy went on offense? NE used the deflated footballs and Indy used the properly inflated footballs???
Seems like that would be the only way that either team gained an advantage from the air pressure in the football.

[TexHog188]

Each team has their own set of footballs that they used on offense. Rule says they must meet a certain specification for size/weight. So if one team deflates their footballs it has no impact on the other team when they are on offense. It's not really whether the violation affected the outcome, just that one team cheated.  Corking a bat in baseball might be a good example. Is it ok if one team corks their bats as long as they beat the other team really badly with a bunch of base hits but no homers? 

[Choctaw Hog]

Jump to wrong conclusions and don't let facts get in your way.

Report: Only one of Patriots' 12 balls were under-inflated by two pounds


http://www.si.com/nfl/2015/02/01/deflategate-only-one-patriots-football-underinflated

Only one of the 12 New England Patriots footballs used in the team's AFC Championship game win against the Indianapolis Colts was under-inflated by a full two pounds, according to NFL.com's Ian Rapoport. 

"Several" other balls were found to be roughly one pound under-inflated, and "several more" were either right at, or barely beneath, the correct inflation mark.

The one football under-inflated by two pounds is in the NFL's possession for purposes of its ongoing investigation as to whether the Patriots purposefully deflated their footballs in order to gain an advantage over the Colts. 

Footage exists of an "elderly" employee carrying both the Patriots and Colts' footballs into a Gillette Stadium bathroom before the AFC Championship game for approximately 90 seconds.

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell said Friday in his press conference that the league has not made any judgments yet as to the Patriots' guilt or innocence in the matter.

On Thursday, NFLPA President DeMaurice Smith said the league had decided to interview Patriots team members after the Super Bowl.

[TexHog188]

Was there a point? 

[Rzbakfromwaybak]

I believe it proves......you don't call stupid plays on the opponent's 1 yard line with under a minute to play, & the game on the line...