Meet of Champs Saturday, May 14th, Russellville

[Peter Porker]

Here's a list of the participants. Several recruits listed.

http://members.ahsaa.org/public/userfiles/Track_Field/2016_MOC_Program.htm

[Pigsfeat]

The times for the boys 3200m little disappointing. I would  guess some of these guys have not been pushed in the longer races. If you can run a 4:15 1600m, you should be able to run much faster than 9:50 3200m. I bet the times will be faster in the MoC finals!

[HogBreath]

Thanks for posting Pete...actually some pretty nice performances from around the state in most events.

[pignparadise]

Here's a list of the participants. Several recruits listed.

http://members.ahsaa.org/public/userfiles/Track_Field/2016_MOC_Program.htm

Had a conversation a few years back with HOF coach Dave Williams about how track times in Arkansas are slower than they were in the seventies. Take the 110 meter hurdles (120.2 yards), my time of 14.9 would be competitive in this years Meet of Champs. In the seventies you wouldn't even place in the state meet with that time.

[Big Boi]

Had a conversation a few years back with HOF coach Dave Williams about how track times in Arkansas are slower than they were in the seventies. Take the 110 meter hurdles (120.2 yards), my time of 14.9 would be competitive in this years Meet of Champs. In the seventies you wouldn't even place in the state meet with that time.

Outside of my father he has impacted my life, and who I became as much as anyone. I truly miss being able to talk to him.

[draftkings33]

Had a conversation a few years back with HOF coach Dave Williams about how track times in Arkansas are slower than they were in the seventies. Take the 110 meter hurdles (120.2 yards), my time of 14.9 would be competitive in this years Meet of Champs. In the seventies you wouldn't even place in the state meet with that time.
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Well that's just not true.  For one thing is FAT timing.  You don't have some redneck football coach timing these days.  I've seen guys run 10.6 hand held and they cant break 11.0 in the 100m FAT time.  Your time of 14.9 in the 110 hurdles wouldnt have even got in the meet of champs

[pignparadise]

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Well that's just not true.  For one thing is FAT timing.  You don't have some redneck football coach timing these days.  I've seen guys run 10.6 hand held and they cant break 11.0 in the 100m FAT time.  Your time of 14.9 in the 110 hurdles wouldnt have even got in the meet of champs
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Wrong Grasshopper It is true. My 14.9 time would have won the 4A, 3A, 2A, 1A state meet. It would have been faster than Trevan Caldwell, Hayden Hampton, Cam Gulley, and Kyle LeBoef. All of which are in the Meet of Champs. Now if you use the following website
http://www.ocmstrackmeet.com/fat-vs-handheld-times.html and convert my time of 14.9 to a FAT time of 15.14, I still beat the same guys.

[draftkings33]

Ok first of all you ran 120 yards which is gonna make your time slower.  Next you aren't gonna have some neck timing you also making it slower.  I would put your time around a 15.5

[Deep Shoat]

Ok first of all you ran 120 yards which is gonna make your time slower.  Next you aren't gonna have some neck timing you also making it slower.  I would put your time around a 15.5

I can already see you add a ton to the site...

[ICEman]

Thanks for posting Pete...actually some pretty nice performances from around the state in most events.

There are several D1 worthy times/heights on that list.

[Peter Porker]

Handheld times are so hard to trust. One of the competitors listed ran a handheld 10.58 this season at Magnet Cove. His fastest f.a.t. time is 10.99.

[pignparadise]

Ok first of all you ran 120 yards which is gonna make your time slower.  Next you aren't gonna have some neck timing you also making it slower.  I would put your time around a 15.5

Ok  mister know it all, I ran 0.2 yards shorter so if  ypu prorate the time ( conservative since Im already running -no start), you add .025 to my coverted time 15.14, I still beat them. But hey you don't believe in numbers or math. You believe in crystal balls and 15.5.

[draftkings33]

Ok man I will give you a 15.49.  That is still a good time old man

[pignparadise]

Ok man I will give you a 15.49.  That is still a good time old man

Thanks for the .01 I'll give my final comments cause it really doesn't matter.
1. I never said people were faster back then. They are a lot faster today, however we were pretty much 4 sport guys. Today everybody specializes so many of the best athletes don't run track.
2. I ran my time on a red dog non asphalt track. It would have been  faster on asphalt/rubber track of today.
3. Not all football coaches and timekeepers of the 70's were rednecks.

[draftkings33]

Thanks for the .01 I'll give my final comments cause it really doesn't matter.
1. I never said people were faster back then. They are a lot faster today, however we were pretty much 4 sport guys. Today everybody specializes so many of the best athletes don't run track.
2. I ran my time on a red dog non asphalt track. It would have been  faster on asphalt/rubber track of today.
3. Not all football coaches and timekeepers of the 70's were rednecks.

LOL all good points man.  I'm kinda just messing with you.  One thing that does blow my mind are these football coaches that are anti track.  I will never understand it. 

[pignparadise]

LOL all good points man.  I'm kinda just messing with you.  One thing that does blow my mind are these football coaches that are anti track.  I will never understand it. 
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I agree, in my day if you were a back or receiver you had to run track. All lineman were encouraged to be field event guys.

[draftkings33]

One of the reasons I was never high on the Frazier kid from Springdale was watching him shot put.  Saw him a few times and he got around 48.  At 6-3 315 pounds if you can't do better than that you are not a great athlete

[Peter Porker]

ytiming.net will have live results.

[pigtrino]

The times for the boys 3200m little disappointing. I would  guess some of these guys have not been pushed in the longer races. If you can run a 4:15 1600m, you should be able to run much faster than 9:50 3200m. I bet the times will be faster in the MoC finals!

He has gone 9:23 in the 3200.  Hard to double those distances.  Don't look for the MoC 3200 to break 9:38 which is the second fastest time the state this year.  I witnessed the 9:23 and the 7A state meet but didn't see the 9:38.  Looks like it was close.  The 9:23 wasn't close, more of a time trial with traffic. 

[Rocket23]

Dont know about the Conway kid, but the Fisher kid from Fayetteville is only a 9th grader.  He'll go 9:35 or better at MOC.

[yraciv]

I'll agree that AR track stats appear to be down in recent years. My brothers SR year in highschool he could highjump like 6'4 .  Which would have got him Top 5 if he qualified for MOC last year,  His year he would have been 6th or 7th.  The winning jumps were James Anderson and Chris Gragg at 6'9. Last year only 1 guy hit 6'7.  Last year there was only 1 sprinter Henri Murphy thats numbers are up to the Top 4 that year as well.  I don't have time to break down all the numbers, but have noticed a similar trend when glancing at local meets.

[Peter Porker]

You have highs and lows. I don't think kids are slower than decades ago. I think timing has become more accurate.

Jumps are another issue. I think AAU basketball has hurt that as much as anything.

[Pigsfeat]

He has gone 9:23 in the 3200.  Hard to double those distances.  Don't look for the MoC 3200 to break 9:38 which is the second fastest time the state this year.  I witnessed the 9:23 and the 7A state meet but didn't see the 9:38.  Looks like it was close.  The 9:23 wasn't close, more of a time trial with traffic.

A 9:23 is closer to the time you would expect from someone with a 4:15 1600m. I agree that it is hard to double and run as fast as you can in both events. When I ran in HS (all those years ago, ha) I doubled the 3200 and 1600 until I got to the MoC where I only ran the 3200. I wanted to run my fastest time of the year there. Looks like both 1600 and 3200 could have some very good times at MoC! If the Fischer kid is a 9th grader, he could be something special!

[draftkings33]

Wouldnt be suprised if 4 kids go over 6-7 in high jump at the Meet of Champs.  I agree AAU basketball is hurting track some for sure.  Not to mention hurting basketball

[pigtrino]

Dont know about the Conway kid, but the Fisher kid from Fayetteville is only a 9th grader.  He'll go 9:35 or better at MOC.

I think he is faster than Drew Hunter was in the 9th grade.  He may be the first Arkansas kid to break 4 minutes in the mile.  Still, he managed 9:38 in a tight 3200 meter race.  I don't think he goes faster unless he opts out of the 1600.  For those thinking times are slower, I think a 4:15 is top ten all time in Arkansas High school track.  MoC record is 4:14 (Effurd).  Overall record is 4:10 (Gross).  All of those have been run since 2000.  There are also some fast underclassmen coming up with the Fisher kid out of Fayetteville.

[Deep Shoat]

I think he is faster than Drew Hunter was in the 9th grade.  He may be the first Arkansas kid to break 4 minutes in the mile.  Still, he managed 9:38 in a tight 3200 meter race.  I don't think he goes faster unless he opts out of the 1600.  For those thinking times are slower, I think a 4:15 is top ten all time in Arkansas High school track.  MoC record is 4:14 (Effurd).  Overall record is 4:10 (Gross).  All of those have been run since 2000.  There are also some fast underclassmen coming up with the Fisher kid out of Fayetteville.

IDK about all time Arkansas.  But they are significantly slower than other states.

Of course, that goes a long way to explaining why we struggle to compete for NC's in football.

[pigtrino]

IDK about all time Arkansas.  But they are significantly slower than other states.

Of course, that goes a long way to explaining why we struggle to compete for NC's in football.

You mean those states where they vet out the hiring of a high school XC coach like we do a football coach?  I suspect they will always be faster.  I do think track is making a little bit of a resurgence now though, at least nationally.  Sub 4 minute high school milers are popping up all over the place.

By the way, Eric Coston is leading the 1600 in Louisiana with a 4:16.  Some schools in that state recruit pretty well for football.

[tbhogfan]

I'm not a fan of mutliple-heat "Timed Finals" in the MoC.  It's the Meet of Champions, not the Villonia Relays.   

[Peter Porker]

It's a shame so many kids skip the Meet of Champs. I wonder if the AAA can do something to make it more appealing to these athletes.

[yraciv]

It's a shame so many kids skip the Meet of Champs. I wonder if the AAA can do something to make it more appealing to these athletes.

End of school year probably has a huge affect on it..

[draftkings33]

Make it on a school day and not Saturday

[blu]

In the 70's we ran 110 yard high hurdles.

[pignparadise]

In the 70's we ran 110 yard high hurdles.

nope the 120 high hurdles

[ricepig]

nope the 120 high hurdles

Yep, and low hurdles in Jr high........