Know it will be ridiculed, but what if the b12conf offered.....................

[Hogmodo]

.................the following?

1.  Texas will dissolve the Longhorn network in order to get ESPN to make a big offer for TV rights to an expanded b12conf with a championship game to televise.  There will be a ten year loss of TV rights penalty on any team that leaves, so UT has no ability to blackmail the league ever again in the future.

2.  Arkansas and Tulane are invited to join to bring it up to 12 teams with a championship game.  Tulane gives the New Orleans market so it brings more TV's than Arkansas.  Arkansas brings the prestige of coming from the SEC which the b12 needs, although they hate to admit it.  Expanding by picking up minor league conference members is small time.  Getting Power5 conference members to join you says you are big time too.  They need that more than any other Power5 conference.

3.  Arkansas would be in the b12north with WVA, IowaState, Kansas, Kansas State, and Okie State.  That puts Tulane in the b12south with UT, Baylor, TT, TCU, & OU. Tulane becomes our permanent opponent, OSU has OU, so OU continues to play UT & OSU every year.

4.  They agree that there will be no refs from the home state of either team in any conference games.  No more Texas refs for Hog games against Texas schools.

5.  They throw in an extra $25 million to the Hogs to sweeten the deal and entice us away from the SEC.

Advantages:

A.  We will have an easier path to a football championship game and the playoffs than in the SEC.  Baseball and Track will have an easier time too.

B.  Playing Tulane every year will help us keep some of the recruiting gains we have made in Louisiana.  Texas recruiting will be much easier.  Florida will be about the same because those South Florida kids just want out of Florida and will go anywhere.

C.  That conference schedule will be a lot easier than the SEC West.

D.  The expanded b12 revenue should match the SEC.  Maybe they throw in a clause that they make up the difference if it ever falls short for Arkansas.

Disadvantage: Basketball will have a much tougher time excelling, but we did it before and we can do it again.

Let the flaming begin, but if we can get past our hate for all things Texas, having the b12 acknowledge they really need us, having UT eat crow and give up their network to get us, and some extra money thrown in could all be a pretty sweet deal for the Hogs.

[Inhogswetrust]

I knew it was idiotic when I saw the word TULANE in the post.

[Hogmodo]

I knew it was idiotic when I saw the word TULANE in the post.

Tulane give us a very easy permanent opponent on the other side and helps with Louisiana recruiting.  Admitting Tulane is one of the prices the b12 pays to get us.

[Inhogswetrust]

Tulane give us a very easy permanent opponent on the other side and helps with Louisiana recruiting.  Admitting Tulane is one of the prices the b12 pays to get us.

Put down the pipe..................even the little 12 isn't stupid enough to pay that price!

[tophawg19]

instead of Tulane you might as well take Arkansas , LSU , A&M and MIZZOU. that would really teach the SEC

[idochog]

It will never happen

[Biggus Piggus]

Ridiculous because of the notion that the Big 12 will be intact for long, regardless of whether it expands.

Ridiculous part 2 is the idea that Tulane wold deliver anything.

[Exit Pursued by a Boar]

NO.

EFBAB

[Pigsknuckles]

OU was within 30 minutes of jumping to the PAC 10 in 2010. http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/25581974 Still trying to wrap my head around what that would have looked like.

[DeltaBoy]

NOPE

[regi]

I knew it was idiotic when I saw the word TULANE in the post.

Sums up this race to the bottom post. Without even mentioning every other year road trips to yankee outposts of Aimes, Morgantown, Stankwater, Tiny Apple and Larry Ks....I need a drink.

[Seebs]

Treating this like a Shields post

[hog1984]

I would rather loose to half of the SEC teams we play, than to win every game in the Big12. We are where we need to be.

[lstewart]

If the annual revenue was the same, it is something the Hogs could consider if they wanted to. But I think something would have to happen within the SEC to make us want to leave before something like that might be considered. The football schedule sounds pretty dull. If I was going to watch the hogs play football in the Big 12, I would at least want to see them play teams from the old SWC. If the Big 12 had the money to do something like this, A&M and Missou would not be in the SEC at this time.

[SemperHawg]

I would think that the first and main requirement that any conference would need to come with to pull us from the SEC is a full match plus of our yearly revenue sharing deal from the SEC network.  Why would we leave for anything less?

[zane]

Looks like Bob Shields is back with a new name....



PS: stopped reading at Tulane

[redleg]

.................the following?

1.  Texas will dissolve the Longhorn network in order to get ESPN to make a big offer for TV rights to an expanded b12conf with a championship game to televise.  There will be a ten year loss of TV rights penalty on any team that leaves, so UT has no ability to blackmail the league ever again in the future.

2.  Arkansas and Tulane are invited to join to bring it up to 12 teams with a championship game.  Tulane gives the New Orleans market so it brings more TV's than Arkansas.  Arkansas brings the prestige of coming from the SEC which the b12 needs, although they hate to admit it.  Expanding by picking up minor league conference members is small time.  Getting Power5 conference members to join you says you are big time too.  They need that more than any other Power5 conference.

3.  Arkansas would be in the b12north with WVA, IowaState, Kansas, Kansas State, and Okie State.  That puts Tulane in the b12south with UT, Baylor, TT, TCU, & OU. Tulane becomes our permanent opponent, OSU has OU, so OU continues to play UT & OSU every year.

4.  They agree that there will be no refs from the home state of either team in any conference games.  No more Texas refs for Hog games against Texas schools.

5.  They throw in an extra $25 million to the Hogs to sweeten the deal and entice us away from the SEC.

Advantages:

A.  We will have an easier path to a football championship game and the playoffs than in the SEC.  Baseball and Track will have an easier time too.

B.  Playing Tulane every year will help us keep some of the recruiting gains we have made in Louisiana.  Texas recruiting will be much easier.  Florida will be about the same because those South Florida kids just want out of Florida and will go anywhere.

C.  That conference schedule will be a lot easier than the SEC West.

D.  The expanded b12 revenue should match the SEC.  Maybe they throw in a clause that they make up the difference if it ever falls short for Arkansas.

Disadvantage: Basketball will have a much tougher time excelling, but we did it before and we can do it again.

Let the flaming begin, but if we can get past our hate for all things Texas, having the b12 acknowledge they really need us, having UT eat crow and give up their network to get us, and some extra money thrown in could all be a pretty sweet deal for the Hogs.

Yes, this will be ridiculed, mostly because it is utterly moronic. Tulane?! Really?! Tulane isn't even the biggest name college in New Orleans...LSU is! Tulane brings nothing, absolutely nothing to the table as far as athletics goes. It's a great academic institution, but as far as football goes, it's a Conf USA school at best.
Man...I really can't believe you went with freaking Tulane!!! 
It doesn't matter anyway, the Big XII could bring in Notre Dame and USC and Arkansas still wouldn't leave the SEC. The SEC is the best conference in the nation ... AND ... Texas gets a bigger slice of the financial pie than the other Big XII schools, mostly because they are greedy and arrogant. Texas had their chance to join the SEC even before Arkansas, but when they said they wanted a bigger slice of the pie than everyone else because they were Texass, the other member schools of the SEC laughed at them, and then they offered Arkansas.
The Big XII will eventually collapse, mostly because of the Longhorns. West Virginia will flip to the ACC or Big Ten, and any other far away schools will do the same once conference expansion begins again. The Big XII is doomed.
Freaking TULANE?! Really, man?!
:razorback:

[WizardofhOgZ]

For a minute, set aside the facts that we don't want to be part of a conference where Texas runs the show and gets more money that any other member; or, that the SEC doles out more to 12 members than the Big 12 does to 10 (and our adding to the number of teams to share the wealth with means that share would be even less); just consider that one of the core members of the conference is still unsure about whether they want to be there or not.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/eye-on-college-football/25581974/oklahoma-was-within-30-minutes-of-leaving-for-the-pac-10-in-2010

What SEC team would give up all that membership in that conference provides for any conference as obviously shaky and unstable as the Big 12 is right now?  Let's say we did, and then Texas and/or OU bolt.  What do we do then?  I don't think it's an automatic, at all, that the SEC would take us back . . . especially after what would be an acrimonious split (when we left to go to the Big 12).

Nope . . . no way (short of the whole thing blowing up, and everyone scrambling for new conference affiliations) that we leave the SEC - for the Big 12, or anyplace else.

[redleg]

Tulane give us a very easy permanent opponent on the other side and helps with Louisiana recruiting.  Admitting Tulane is one of the prices the b12 pays to get us.

Who in the blue hell wants Tulane in the same conference as Arkansas, except you???!!!!!!  ???Staaaaaaaaaaaappp! 
:razorback:

[PorkSoda]

what if the b12conf offered.....................

Know it will be ridiculed,

you answered your own question in the thread title

[The_Iceman]

Tulane?

[Oklahawg]

Which well-heeled Broyles-Matthews donor is going to cover the $31M+ for a year or two while we buy out the SEC?

B12 has an expiration date on it. None of us can see it but it is there.

[Doug]

Treating this like a Shields post

PREACH IT, SEEBS!

[hoggusamoungus]

Which well-heeled Broyles-Matthews donor is going to cover the $31M+ for a year or two while we buy out the SEC?

B12 has an expiration date on it. None of us can see it but it is there.

The SEC doesn't have a buy-out.  Guess they figure no school is going to walk away from all that cash.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2012/09/19/accs-new-exit-fee-punitive-or-par-for-the-course/#429b99ce8956

[longtimeHogfan]

After giving it the careful consideration it deserves. ...no thanks.

[MrKnowItAll]

[Oklahawg]

The SEC doesn't have a buy-out.  Guess they figure no school is going to walk away from all that cash.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmith/2012/09/19/accs-new-exit-fee-punitive-or-par-for-the-course/#429b99ce8956

Well, that makes it that much more obvious - the perks of staying clearly outweigh the advantage of paddling your raft like all hell to get on board the Titantic.

[WilsonHog]

Be in a division with West Virginia, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State?

Hell's bells, man.

[hogfan58]

.................the following?

1.  Texas will dissolve the Longhorn network in order to get ESPN to make a big offer for TV rights to an expanded b12conf with a championship game to televise.  There will be a ten year loss of TV rights penalty on any team that leaves, so UT has no ability to blackmail the league ever again in the future.

2.  Arkansas and Tulane are invited to join to bring it up to 12 teams with a championship game.  Tulane gives the New Orleans market so it brings more TV's than Arkansas.  Arkansas brings the prestige of coming from the SEC which the b12 needs, although they hate to admit it.  Expanding by picking up minor league conference members is small time.  Getting Power5 conference members to join you says you are big time too.  They need that more than any other Power5 conference.

3.  Arkansas would be in the b12north with WVA, IowaState, Kansas, Kansas State, and Okie State.  That puts Tulane in the b12south with UT, Baylor, TT, TCU, & OU. Tulane becomes our permanent opponent, OSU has OU, so OU continues to play UT & OSU every year.

4.  They agree that there will be no refs from the home state of either team in any conference games.  No more Texas refs for Hog games against Texas schools.

5.  They throw in an extra $25 million to the Hogs to sweeten the deal and entice us away from the SEC.

Advantages:

A.  We will have an easier path to a football championship game and the playoffs than in the SEC.  Baseball and Track will have an easier time too.

B.  Playing Tulane every year will help us keep some of the recruiting gains we have made in Louisiana.  Texas recruiting will be much easier.  Florida will be about the same because those South Florida kids just want out of Florida and will go anywhere.

C.  That conference schedule will be a lot easier than the SEC West.

D.  The expanded b12 revenue should match the SEC.  Maybe they throw in a clause that they make up the difference if it ever falls short for Arkansas.

Disadvantage: Basketball will have a much tougher time excelling, but we did it before and we can do it again.

Let the flaming begin, but if we can get past our hate for all things Texas, having the b12 acknowledge they really need us, having UT eat crow and give up their network to get us, and some extra money thrown in could all be a pretty sweet deal for the Hogs.

Only if our home game every other year vs Tulane is in LR.

[theFlyingHog]

Make it:
Arkansas
Texas
aggie
OU
Olite
Nebraska
Kansas
Kstate
Iowa
IowaSt
TCU
Mizzery
Baylor
Astate

And I'm in

[FANONTHEHILL]

I think your original post is 100% accurate.  It will be ridiculed.

[1highhog]

There's not a School in the SEC dumb enough to walk away from the money of just being apart of the SEC to go to another lesser Conference, put whatever Schools you want with the B-12, they still won't compete with the SEC.

[Torqued pork]

The exodus of Nebraska, Colorado, A&M and Missou was the demise of the Big XII. It's sad that a school such as Iowa St. may not have a soft landing, but it won't stop the inevitable.

[Kevin]

Just wants a easier path to win games.

[Inhogswetrust]

Be in a division with West Virginia, Iowa State, Kansas, Kansas State, and Oklahoma State?

Hell's bells, man.

No kidding ....might as well join the Sun belt....................then  some on here would be happy.

[rhames]

Why leave a mansion, even if you are sleeping on a couch and sometimes get the nice guest room, for a master bedroom in a single wide trailer?

[Inhogswetrust]

Make it:
Arkansas
Texas
aggie
OU
Olite
Nebraska
Kansas
Kstate
Iowa
IowaSt
TCU
Mizzery
Baylor
Astate

And I'm in

Two of those don't belong on the list............................the first one and last one.

[UAfanatic]

Tulane?  that doesn't give you the New Orleans market.. maybe a 1% share.

The biggest problem is, well the second biggest problem is Texas and their inability to play well with others.

The biggest problem is leaving the SEC, that would be stupid.

[Fatty McGee]

Put down the pipe..................even the little 12 isn't stupid enough to pay that price!

In this environment, no scenario is too outlandish.

[Inhogswetrust]

In this environment, no scenario is too outlandish.

Getting Tulane in a P5 conference even though it is the lowest of the P5 is not that outlandish? Is there more than one pipe being passed around................

[HamIAm]

[razorbacker3]

Please, just stop with this nonsense!

[Hog-Corleone]

What if we make a conference like this:

East:
Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Missouri
West:
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, LSU, Texas A&M

I mean what is the purpose of all this discussion of a new Big 12?  So we can go back to a conference Texass makes all the rules, and where Texass gets all the $$$.  Regardless of what rules you put in place, that is one thing that will never change.  I would like to play Texass every year, but i do not ever, EVAR want to be in a conference with them again. 

[HamIAm]

What if we make a conference like this:

East:
Florida, South Carolina, Georgia, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Tennessee, Missouri
West:
Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, Ole Miss, Mississippi State, LSU, Texas A&M

I mean what is the purpose of all this discussion of a new Big 12?  So we can go back to a conference Texass makes all the rules, and where Texass gets all the $$$.  Regardless of what rules you put in place, that is one thing that will never change.  I would like to play Texass every year, but i do not ever, EVAR want to be in a conference with them again. 

I used to want to play Texas every year.  Now I feel like we have bigger fish to fry.

[RaisinHog]

Possibly the dumbest post ever

[ImHogginIt]

Can we move all the Hogs to the Big 12 threads to the trash can ? 

[Hogarusa]

I would rather loose to half of the SEC teams we play, than to win every game in the Big12. We are where we need to be.

Now thats some odd logic. I'd prefer to win.  You're still in a P5 conference, its not like Hogs would become Boise St


Tulane? Just because they reside in the city doesnt mean you get the New Orleans market.  Ever seen a home Green Wave crowd?  Thats not helpful.

Also, no.  There is nothing the B12 will ever offer that would make Arkansas think about leaving the SEC.

Except winning more and being in a better basketball conference.

C.R.E.A.M

[Pig in the Pokey]

With all those conditions, I would be sooo down. I am tired of getting ho'd by SEC Ref Monster every year. We came to the SEC on a promise that wouldn't happen. It did, and it does still. Can't see that deal ever happening but that would be awesome. It would give us a ton of instant cred, too, believe it or not. It would be the talk of college football.

[The Hawg Marshal]

   No thanks.

[go hogues]

.................the following?
A.  We will have an easier path to a football championship game and the playoffs than in the SEC.  Baseball and Track will have an easier time too.

C.  That conference schedule will be a lot easier than the SEC West.

We'll be statistically mediocre in any conference we're in. Can you imagine the recruiting falloff when potential recruits see those teams on their schedule vs. the stadiums they can walk in by playing in the SECW?

Also, Texas is never going to play fair. I could just see us joining that conference and Texas immediately bolting for the SEC or a few years later for the PAC 12.