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Boog41

August 19, 2023, 11:06:26 am
Anyone ever been? What all needs to be seen. Is October an ok time to go?

Hog_Fink

August 19, 2023, 02:49:54 pm #1
Imagine that's a fantastic time to go

Pilatus is stunning.
Also rly like st gallen

Haven't spent a ton of time there, but was in awe riding the train from Geneva to Lucerne
 

ErieHog

August 19, 2023, 02:55:15 pm #2
MIL lives about an hour from Zurich.

Zurich has the national history museum, which is ok.   Its more a city for live entertainment-- concerts, theaters, etc.,  and business.

You can take a steam boat out on Lake Lucerne;  the city has a nice little tour of the city wall towers as well.  Depending on season,  a day trip up to Jungfraujoch is also a lot of fun.



No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Boog41

August 19, 2023, 02:59:13 pm #3
Thanks Hog & Erie.

McKdaddy

August 20, 2023, 10:14:25 pm #4
Visited Lucerne in late June. Really enjoyed the hospitality, strolls along the lake, St Francis and Pilatus.

Don't buy upgrades, ride up grades.

"You are everything that is wrong with this place . . . Ban me"

"CPI, ex-food and energy, is only good for an anorexic pedestrian"--Art Cashin

Boog41

August 21, 2023, 10:24:52 am #5
Quote from: McKdaddy on August 20, 2023, 10:14:25 pmVisited Lucerne in late June. Really enjoyed the hospitality, strolls along the lake, St Francis and Pilatus.


McK, is St Francis a church there?

McKdaddy

August 21, 2023, 12:57:57 pm #6
Quote from: Boog41 on August 21, 2023, 10:24:52 amMcK, is St Francis a church there?

Yes sir, a Jesuit church on the river Reuss that Lucerne straddles.
Don't buy upgrades, ride up grades.

"You are everything that is wrong with this place . . . Ban me"

"CPI, ex-food and energy, is only good for an anorexic pedestrian"--Art Cashin

McKdaddy

August 21, 2023, 01:22:38 pm #7
Quote from: McKdaddy on August 21, 2023, 12:57:57 pmYes sir, a Jesuit church on the river Reuss that Lucerne straddles.

Not that impressive from the outside, but has some uniqueness inside compared to some of the other cathedrals and churches we visited in June and July.
Don't buy upgrades, ride up grades.

"You are everything that is wrong with this place . . . Ban me"

"CPI, ex-food and energy, is only good for an anorexic pedestrian"--Art Cashin

Boog41

August 21, 2023, 03:06:45 pm #8
Quote from: McKdaddy on August 21, 2023, 01:22:38 pmNot that impressive from the outside, but has some uniqueness inside compared to some of the other cathedrals and churches we visited in June and July.
Thanks. I appreciate the info.

Boardon Hamsay

August 29, 2023, 07:58:07 pm #9
I'd recommend going to CERN if you make it over to Geneva. They have a tour that's really cool but you have to sign up online in advance for it. To level set though, you won't go down to the actual accelerator tunnel or rub noses with the LHC.

Zermatt is awesome town in the Alps where you can check out the Matterhorn and its great train ride over from Zurich or Bern or Lucerne. Same for the Grindelwald, Interlaken, and Lauterbrunnen area. Chateau de Chillon is a solid castle to roam around but that's back towards Geneva on the other end of the lake. I'd also recommend popping over to Liechtenstein while nearby.  Small, but nice country that has nice scenery but probably gets overlooked unless you're the type of traveler that wants to check countries off your travel list.
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Boog41

January 24, 2024, 07:33:33 pm #10
Circling back to this thread. I am close to booking my trip.

Big question. Which city is better to visit, Zurich or Geneva. Found out I can fly into either one to start my trip.

Thanks for any intel or opinions.

ErieHog

January 24, 2024, 08:41:38 pm #11
Quote from: Boog41 on January 24, 2024, 07:33:33 pmCircling back to this thread. I am close to booking my trip.

Big question. Which city is better to visit, Zurich or Geneva. Found out I can fly into either one to start my trip.

Thanks for any intel or opinions.

Zurich has the better access to anywhere else in the country- with Geneva, the airport has one end where you go out of the airport and you are in Switzerland, and out the other end you are in France.

Travel by train is a lot simpler than travel by car;  use the rail network (which runs on precise times) to get around the country.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

Boog41

January 24, 2024, 08:56:16 pm #12 Last Edit: January 24, 2024, 09:13:54 pm by Boog41
Quote from: ErieHog on January 24, 2024, 08:41:38 pmZurich has the better access to anywhere else in the country- with Geneva, the airport has one end where you go out of the airport and you are in Switzerland, and out the other end you are in France.

Travel by train is a lot simpler than travel by car;  use the rail network (which runs on precise times) to get around the country.

I was hoping you would see my post and jump in. My intention is to fly into Zurich, or Geneva now, and spend about three days. Then, train to Lucerne and then I'm training on into Italy where I know my way around.

So, is there more to see/do in Geneva or Zurich on the front end of my trip?
 

ErieHog

January 24, 2024, 09:09:42 pm #13
Quote from: Boog41 on January 24, 2024, 08:56:16 pmI was hoping you would see my post and jump in. My intention is to fly into Zurich, or Geneva now, and spend about three days. Then, train to Lucerne and then I'm training on into Italy where Injjow my way around.

So, is there more to see/do in Geneva or Zurich on the front end of my trip?

I'd personally do Zurich, but that's because I like the airport better, and am not a big fan of the French. 

YMMV a lot.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

SpareRib

January 24, 2024, 09:41:27 pm #14 Last Edit: January 24, 2024, 10:50:31 pm by SpareRib Reason: Trying to remove duplicate photo.
There 28 years ago, so here are my vague questionably accurate recollections - 

1.  Flew into Zurich and was only there for a day.  My impression was similar to other major world cities, heavy in finance and government, a strong international feel, plenty of history and entertainment if you have time for it.  I believe the waterway alongside flows into Lake Constanz (Lake Bodenzee to the Germans) which borders Germany on the north.

2. Took train to Lucerne and fell in love.  A beautiful city on Lake Lucerne with more of a Swiss feel.  We took a forty minute train ride to Engleberg, a smaller community with storks nesting on rooftops and a delightful ambience.  We decided to ski and went to Trubsee then farther up Mt Titlis. 

We were cautioned about skiing that day as the new snow was deep and wet.  If you got in a driftdrift on skis, you could sink to your knees. We took the ski lift out and back, and chose to settle in a high alpine restaurant with amazing views and even better food.  I have a vivid memory of the best weiner schnitzel served with white asparagus topped with Hollandaise.

On a side note, one of my buddies, a 220 lb athletic guy, decided to ski anyway.  The Swiss had to send a rescue vehicle to drag his soggy a$$ back to the resort. The story of him sinking in the snow and the bill they presented him with for hauling him out was hilarious.

This tale probably doesn't help you much, but the memory was fun.  Have a super trip.  The Swiss are great people, the history is fascinating and the views are otherworldly.
I'll fish 'til the money's gone ... then I'll fish for food!<br /><br />My heritage - Dutch/Polish/German on one side, English/Welsh on the other.  I'm a mutt, not a show dog.  Proud to be an American!

Boog41

January 24, 2024, 09:48:23 pm #15
Thanks Erie & Spare.

OldCoot

January 26, 2024, 11:38:16 am #16
Quote from: SpareRib on January 24, 2024, 09:41:27 pmThere 28 years ago, so here are my vague questionably accurate recollections - 

1.  Flew into Zurich and was only there for a day.  My impression was similar to other major world cities, heavy in finance and government, a strong international feel, plenty of history and entertainment if you have time for it.  I believe the waterway alongside flows into Lake Constanz (Lake Bodenzee to the Germans) which borders Germany on the north.

2. Took train to Lucerne and fell in love.  A beautiful city on Lake Lucerne with more of a Swiss feel.  We took a forty minute train ride to Engleberg, a smaller community with storks nesting on rooftops and a delightful ambience.  We decided to ski and went to Trubsee then farther up Mt Titlis. 

We were cautioned about skiing that day as the new snow was deep and wet.  If you got in a driftdrift on skis, you could sink to your knees. We took the ski lift out and back, and chose to settle in a high alpine restaurant with amazing views and even better food.  I have a vivid memory of the best weiner schnitzel served with white asparagus topped with Hollandaise.

On a side note, one of my buddies, a 220 lb athletic guy, decided to ski anyway.  The Swiss had to send a rescue vehicle to drag his soggy a$$ back to the resort. The story of him sinking in the snow and the bill they presented him with for hauling him out was hilarious.

This tale probably doesn't help you much, but the memory was fun.  Have a super trip.  The Swiss are great people, the history is fascinating and the views are otherworldly.

Went to Zurich many years ago to go skiing.  There was no snow so we had to go to Innsbruck and skied at the Stubai Glacier.  On our drive into Austria (Small winding road) we got into a speed trap where the polzei were.  They basically were on the road directing all cars to pull over.  They spoke to us in German and we kept saying, we don't understand and just acting like foolish American's.  They then said in English, do you have 20 marks? Once we found out the fantastic price we said, Vielen Dank, hier sind Ihre 20 Mark.

That was in 1989, I meet up with that friend every few years and we still laugh about that.

oldhawg

January 26, 2024, 08:42:34 pm #17
I visited Zurich and Lucerne last in the 1980's, so anything that I have to say would be irrelevant ---- except that I had a hell of a good time.  One thing that has remained embedded in my mind is taking the cogwheel train up Mt. Pilatus and the cable car down.

Also great restaurants , which I would bet have not changed except more expensive.

OldCoot

January 27, 2024, 08:45:47 am #18
Quote from: oldhawg on January 26, 2024, 08:42:34 pmI visited Zurich and Lucerne last in the 1980's, so anything that I have to say would be irrelevant ---- except that I had a hell of a good time.  One thing that has remained embedded in my mind is taking the cogwheel train up Mt. Pilatus and the cable car down.

Also great restaurants , which I would bet have not changed except more expensive.


The one I went to I believe they are open all year.  I was with my buddy and his dependa, on one portion they had these small t-bars that two people had to get on, the t went up to the cable and the t part where you sit was so narrow I kept falling off everytime I tried to get on.  After about 30 minutes, this little old German man came and got me and went up the t bar with me and I didn't fall off.  There was a portion of the trip where if you fell off, you would fall hundreds of feet down.

My first trip skiing and I realized you don't ever where jeans while skiing. Also learned that new people shouldn't go on the black runs.  There were little kids not even 5 years old who were skiing around me and laughing.
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