Byars brings up a question.

[JIHawg]

If you sign a player who then doesn't get eligible, do you lose that one of your 25 allotted?

[RazorPiggie]

Yes. That's why you can't risk taking them.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

If you sign a player who then doesn't get eligible, do you lose that one of your 25 allotted?

Not sure about that but you could ask Nick after he signed this guy last year when he didn't make it academically.

http://247sports.com/player/kendell-jones-36873

[factchecker]

If you sign a player who then doesn't get eligible, do you lose that one of your 25 allotted?

Yes, but not due to a penalty but rather a contract.  The LOI is a contract that binds to the school to the athlete.

If a commit signs then you lose one spot until he goes elsewhere (JUCO).  The commit can continue to work for eligibility before the deadline, which is after signing day.

In most instances the committed school would simply not let the recruit sign.  Well, why couldn't we do that?

Simply put, drama.  There would be no way the coaching staff could defend themselves if a recruit lied about not qualifying.  No way. Coaches can't talk about a recruit that has not signed.  They can't even say their name.  Coach Bielema couldn't even mention Alex Collins until they sorted out the signing day drama with momma.

All the kid would have to do is lie: "I don't know why they won't let me sign.  It's too late for me to go anywhere else.  I'm going to go to (insert JUCO here) and get my revenge."

[JIHawg]

Yes, but not due to a penalty but rather a contract.  The LOI is a contract that binds to the school to the athlete.

If a commit signs then you lose one spot until he goes elsewhere (JUCO).  The commit can continue to work for eligibility before the deadline, which is after signing day.

In most instances the committed school would simply not let the recruit sign.  Well, why couldn't we do that?

Simply put, drama.  There would be no way the coaching staff could defend themselves if a recruit lied about not qualifying.  No way. Coaches can't talk about a recruit that has not signed.  They can't even say their name.  Coach Bielema couldn't even mention Alex Collins until they sorted out the signing day drama with momma.

All the kid would have to do is lie: "I don't know why they won't let me sign.  It's too late for me to go anywhere else.  I'm going to go to (insert JUCO here) and get my revenge."

There must have been thirty or more threads in the last year when poster after poster opined that we should offer this kid, and now you're telling me these coaches may have actually known what they were doing?

[Muskliketusk]

Bama can afford to take grade risks we ain't in that boat. And all Nick will do is push some kids out if Byers do qualify and they need room. If not ain't no skin off nicks back. HCBB don't process kids like that.

[HOGINTENNESSEE]

There must have been thirty or more threads in the last year when poster after poster opined that we should offer this kid, and now you're telling me these coaches may have actually known what they were doing?

Maybe. Of course if he gets eligible at Bama and we didn't offer him with the non existent DT sign we will sign this year. It's going to be brought up

[onebadrubi]

Maybe. Of course if he gets eligible at Bama and we didn't offer him with the non existent DT sign we will sign this year. It's going to be brought up

At which point it is up to our "lovely" media members to find out why. And I don't mean suck up Bo

[Scott7703]

Rumors circulating Bama has moved on due to grades. We shall see

[ricepig]

Rumors circulating Bama has moved on due to grades. We shall see

Yep, that's what some have alluded to.

[hawginbigd1]

Rumors circulating Bama has moved on due to grades. We shall see

RD confirmed this to be true.

[onebadrubi]

RD confirmed this to be true.

You surely wouldn't mean this staff did its due diligence and spent time and efforts elsewhere, like maybe curl and a few others? 

[hawginbigd1]

You surely wouldn't mean this staff did its due diligence and spent time and efforts elsewhere, like maybe curl and a few others?

I don't know the young man but somewhat feel for him if he doesn't have real limitations mentally though it's his fault.

That being said, I can't help but laugh at all the morons posting here about the staff not offering him. Problem is they will deny how stupid they are and look.

[parallaxpig]

You surely wouldn't mean this staff did its due diligence and spent time and efforts elsewhere, like maybe curl and a few others? 

No need to throw around wild accusations about our staff knowing what their doing.......

[LRHawg]

Lot of crow to go around, but don't see anyone stepping up to claim it.

[Nosboar Accubond]

Rumors circulating Bama has moved on due to grades. We shall see

Cant be true...

[Nosboar Accubond]

Lot of crow to go around, but don't see anyone stepping up to claim it.

None of them will, doesn't fit their agenda...

[Bubba's Bruisers]

Worst kept secret this recruiting season.  Along with Calloway to Hogs.

[Hogeration]

The 25 rule was put in place by the SEC after Houston got to Ole Miss and signed 30+.  He would sign and place them into Juco.  I heard Hill say the other night they did this a lot at Arkansas too.  They spent so much time on these kids and had relationships with them.  So they wanted to make sure they got credit for their hard work.  I actually thought it made sense.

[Nosboar Accubond]

RD confirmed this to be true.

Where?

[ADavisTheGOAT]

Where?

[hawginbigd1]

On wholehogsports board

[The Hawg Marshal]

Lot of crow to go around, but don't see anyone stepping up to claim it.

Nope. And they won't.

[tophawg19]

expect him in a Mississippi Juco  close to Bama

[ADavisTheGOAT]

expect him in a Mississippi Juco  close to Bama

Probably EMCC or MGCCC.

[Pig in the Pokey]

If you sign a player who then doesn't get eligible, do you lose that one of your 25 allotted?

unless you are tennessee or alabama. they get immunity.

[Pig in the Pokey]

Bama can afford to take grade risks we ain't in that boat. And all Nick will do is push some kids out if Byers do qualify and they need room. If not ain't no skin off nicks back. HCBB don't process kids like that.

that is totally ass backwards. WE should be the one's taking risks, we have nothing to lose. You just pulled that one out of your arse!

[theshiva]

I don't know the young man but somewhat feel for him if he doesn't have real limitations mentally though it's his fault.

That being said, I can't help but laugh at all the morons posting here about the staff not offering him. Problem is they will deny how stupid they are and look.

I wouldn't call other posters morons when an identical situation backfired last year and we would have been in a great position on a 4 star DT if we offered. Same thing could've easily happened here too.

[tophawg19]

Probably EMCC or MGCCC.

I fully believe that was why Satan was here . He already knew this kid wouldn't qualify . I'm wondering if IMG Academy might be an option. I'm not sure how those work. This was a kid he wanted bad and at this point has no DT's on his list now. He wasn't here during recruiting time just to be nice . that isn't his MO

[hawginbigd1]

I wouldn't call other posters morons when an identical situation backfired last year and we would have been in a great position on a 4 star DT if we offered. Same thing could've easily happened here too.

Doesn't take a scientific rocket to comprehend the staff would know exactly what they are doing in regards to not offering a DT in your own back yard! You then scream and cuss about them not offering, then what are you............just sayin.

[RaisinHog]

expect him in a Mississippi Juco  close to Bama

Serious question ... Does bama even mess with JUCO guys I mean I don't recall any going there and I really don't know why they would need them

Edit it appears they do have 1 .. in this class ..

[imtad16]

Serious question ... Does bama even mess with JUCO guys I mean I don't recall any going there and I really don't know why they would need them

They signed 2 in December. Isaiah Buggs a DE from Mississippi Gulf Coast C.C. and Elliot Baker an OT from the City College of San Francisco.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Serious question ... Does bama even mess with JUCO guys I mean I don't recall any going there and I really don't know why they would need them

Really? Alabama has signed 38 JC/Prep School recruits from 2002-2016.

[RaisinHog]

Thanks .. just knew u didn't never here much about an JUCO guys comeing there and blowing up

[RaisinHog]

Prep school is a diff deal

[Pig in the Pokey]

I wouldn't call other posters morons when an identical situation backfired last year and we would have been in a great position on a 4 star DT if we offered. Same thing could've easily happened here too.

ah, the mysterious case was mysterious.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Thanks .. just knew u didn't never here much about an JUCO guys comeing there and blowing up

Cody...NT? Just a singular and somewhat recent example. There are others better than him and more recent. Check their recruiting classes on 247.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Prep school is a diff deal

How so?

[RaisinHog]

OK I loose

[tophawg19]

seems like the have pulled some good linemen and DB"s from juco. It's still possible to place players in Juco depending on your relationship with the staff there . who wouldn't like to have bama recruits drop in for a couple years

[hawginbigd1]

How so?

Prep schools are like extended high schools, their clocks don't even start, so it's a lot different IMO.

[Muskliketusk]

that is totally ass backwards. WE should be the one's taking risks, we have nothing to lose. You just pulled that one out of your arse!

yeah a program that needs every body it can get can afford to wait around and hope Byers qualify. Man you a real smart fellar. Coaches should sign you up. Bama just gonna replace him with another 4* or live with the amazing class they already got. We ain't got that luxury genius.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Prep schools are like extended high schools, their clocks don't even start, so it's a lot different IMO.

Not to me, most are designed to give a kid an opportunity to get his grades in order so he can move to the next level, that's all. But it is true that the clock doesn't start on eligibility. It's just another way around the system for those without good grades but who have good to superior athletic ability.

[SkeeterHawg]

OK I loose

Tighten it up buddy!

[hawginbigd1]

Not to me, most are designed to give a kid an opportunity to get his grades in order so he can move to the next level, that's all.

Well you are correct in that regard, but to me a prep guy you are signing a 5 year player, most Jucos are 2 or 3 year players, a big difference in value. Assuming continued improvement Froholdt>Tretola is how I am looking at it.

[theshiva]

Doesn't take a scientific rocket to comprehend the staff would know exactly what they are doing in regards to not offering a DT in your own back yard! You then scream and cuss about them not offering, then what are you............just sayin.

Except last year we had a blue chipper begging for an Arkansas offer and we waited til the last week and lost him. Risk vs reward.

[tophawg19]

a IMG would be where i expect Satan to place him. if not then a close Juco where they can monitor him. this is one satan wants . He wasn't here to check grades . He was here to place a player , he doesn't waste recruiting time without gaining something. He isn't just a nice guy

[jneal56]

I believe our DL coaches son plays on the same team as Byers. Heard that on Bo's show or possibly the morning show with Tyler Wilson. I'm quite certain our current coaching staff knew all they needed to about this young man with inside info like that. I'm not happy with our coaching staff right now but they do a pretty decent job evaluating personality so far that fits our team.

[Darren DeLoach]

Except last year we had a blue chipper begging for an Arkansas offer and we waited til the last week and lost him. Risk vs reward.

Geesh. They slow played for a major reason.  I just love all these omniscient recruiting experts this board has. Thanks for all the inside dope.

[PorkRinds]

Evidently bama withdrew their offer this week?