State of the Hogs

[wheelspigharvey]

No I edited my own post because looking at the side by side rosters of who we lost I intially didnt' include Clarke then obviously did (unless I'm the world's fastest typer). You then selectively quoted to try and make me look dishonest.

You're trying to win a very narrow point when it boils down to it by saying losing these 2
Marshawn Powell 10.8 PPG
Rotnei Clarke       15 PPG

is worse than gaining these 3
BJ Young 15.3 PPG
Madden   6.6 PPG
Mickelson 5.2 PPG

unless you want to argue that losing Delvin Johnson really hurt (Britt was negligible) And, 2011-2012 had 2 Seniors and another Junior with significant playing time, and a bunch of Sophmores that were not longer Freshman to go with the promising Freshman trio above.   It's a pretty decent team, and Mike did  18-14 (6-10), 1 game worse than Pelphrey.    Anderson didn't start out with a terrible team and build up from the Death Penalty. He started out with a fairly good team and didn't recruit very well.

Because CMA is terrible you have to ignore the fact that Clarke was on the roster the year before and had a major impact.  If you do that, then the evidence that Mike is bad is clear.

Or take Delvon out of the equation that way the numbers work out, proving that the numbers work out.

Airtight. A+

[GlassofSwine]

No I edited my own post because looking at the side by side rosters of who we lost I intially didnt' include Clarke then obviously did (unless I'm the world's fastest typer). You then selectively quoted to try and make me look dishonest.

You're trying to win a very narrow point when it boils down to it by saying losing these 2
Marshawn Powell 10.8 PPG
Rotnei Clarke       15 PPG

is worse than gaining these 3
BJ Young 15.3 PPG
Madden   6.6 PPG
Mickelson 5.2 PPG

unless you want to argue that losing Delvin Johnson really hurt (Britt was negligible) And, 2011-2012 had 2 Seniors and another Junior with significant playing time, and a bunch of Sophmores that were not longer Freshman to go with the promising Freshman trio above.   It's a pretty decent team, and Mike did  18-14 (6-10), 1 game worse than Pelphrey.    Anderson didn't start out with a terrible team and build up from the Death Penalty. He started out with a fairly good team and didn't recruit very well.

  This is funny. You say that Britt is negligible yet he had better stats than Mickleson. You don't include Johnson who averaged almost 10 ppg, was the leading rebounder at 7 a game and the leading shot blocker. Let's factor in also the leadership factor of 3 freshmen versus productive upperclassman. Your the one trying to manipulate the numbers in your favor. You started off claiming they had virtually the same team, when you were shown the roster losses you backpedal to claim the freshmen coming in were just as good as the losses basing it on point production alone. Furthermore your whole argument that MA didn't recruit or develop his talent is simply nullified by the number of increasing wins every season since his 1st.

[SexyBeast77]

you must be twelve.

Uh, I'm twelve because I edited a post. Um ok.

[SexyBeast77]

Because CMA is terrible you have to ignore the fact that Clarke was on the roster the year before and had a major impact.  If you do that, then the evidence that Mike is bad is clear.

Or take Delvon out of the equation that way the numbers work out, proving that the numbers work out.

Airtight. A+

It's not all PPG now is it F-
If you would rather have Powell, Clarke and Johnson on the floor than
Young, Mickelson, Madden then ok. You're still trying to argue a micropoint. You think the 2010-11 was a little better. I think the 2011-2012 was a little Stronger. Either way, the cupboard wasn't bare in 2011, and Anderson hasn't won significantly enough to build momentum in recruiting (and we lose players like Allen).  If you want to you win so bad ok you can have that one.  The 2010-2011 team was marginally better. Go chest bump Breems and Blu and Forrest City Joe at your screening of Razorback games where you edit out the players and focus on the  wonder of Magic Mike.  1 NIT Win AND 1 NCAAT win in 4 years. Build a statue already!

[SexyBeast77]

Furthermore your whole argument that MA didn't recruit or develop his talent is simply nullified by the number of increasing wins every season since his 1st.

Sooo 4 years in Mike's signature accomplishment of his totally Awesome recruiting greatness is 1 NIT Win or 1 NCAA win? We're a team that won a National Championship. Aim a little higher. (Or just keep lowering that bar so you can trumpet Mike Anderson's greatness at overcoming the underground bar)

[Nipsey Mussle]

Build a statue already!

You ended your post with a method that's about as useful and original as a pitcher faking a pick off throw to first and then throwing to 3rd instead.

No one, not even the most ardent MA supporter, is suggesting that MA is the best coach in the nation or that they're ready to erect a statue. Wild exaggeration is an attempt to change the stance of your opposition...Sadly for you, that's not even close to what is being debated. 

[GlassofSwine]

Sooo 4 years in Mike's signature accomplishment of his totally Awesome recruiting greatness is 1 NIT Win or 1 NCAA win? We're a team that won a National Championship. Aim a little higher. (Or just keep lowering that bar so you can trumpet Mike Anderson's greatness at overcoming the underground bar)

I'm not worried about MA's best moment in the last 4 years. I'm looking forward to what his best accomplishment will be in the future. If he never does more than make the NCAA tourney then I will be disappointed. However the list of coaches who have won a championship in their first 4 years is going to be short.
I don't think MA is the greatest coach on the planet. I could name 15-20 guys off the top of my head who I think are better coaches in the college game today. Why don't you just grow up and simply say, I hate MA as a coach!" Your entitled to your opinion regardless of facts.

[SexyBeast77]

You ended your post with a method that's about as useful and original as a pitcher faking a pick off throw to first and then throwing to 3rd instead.

No one, not even the most ardent MA supporter, is suggesting that MA is the best coach in the nation or that they're ready to erect a statue. Wild exaggeration is an attempt to change the stance of your opposition...Sadly for you, that's not even close to what is being debated. 

Wow you love that Wally Hall style of Simile.  My mocking tone is because there is a quite a large group of posters of very thin skinned Hogville posters that sadly seem more committed to the man than the team and the program, and they will viciously attack and insult any crtitics. They can be easily be identified with the following terms:
Agenda, Go Kick rocks, you don't know anything about basketball if you don't appreciate Mike, we were a dumpster fire before, God made a mistake when they made you, pwned, what are you 12 (and any variation, are you a child), a kid is on their parent's computer etc.   
  Discredit the critic rather than argue the points. That's how people with weak arguments do it. Or that's how lazy people do it. Or that's how propagandists do it.


Look, this thread is called State of the Hogs. I want Arkansas to win. I don't think we're on a positive trajectory. We haven't won enough to build recruiting. We don't have a rotation of 7-8 players that can compete. We have a lot of "Athletes" that can't score. Lots of "role players" and "defensive specialists."  Mike Anderson was a popular sentimental and nostalgic hire, and there are a lot of posters that refuse to accept that there are legitimate criticisms to be made of the coaching staff.

[wheelspigharvey]

...Discredit the critic rather than argue the points. That's how people with weak arguments do it. Or that's how lazy people do it. Or that's how propagandists do it.


...there are a lot of posters that refuse to accept that there are legitimate criticisms to be made of the coaching staff.

I asked for evidence to back up a claim, you gave bad evidence, then got all whipped into a frenzy and called me a blind follower when I debunked it.

The last statement might be true but it's not really relevant when arguing against you.  Every stat you cite has to be qualified with "well since Mike sucks we have to disregard this part that negates what I said," or "why are you focusing on this one thing," even though you're the one that brings the one thing up.

[GuvHog]

I asked for evidence to back up a claim, you gave bad evidence, then got all whipped into a frenzy and called me a blind follower when I debunked it.

The last statement might be true but it's not really relevant when arguing against you.  Every stat you cite has to be qualified with "well since Mike sucks we have to disregard this part that negates what I said," or "why are you focusing on this one thing," even though you're the one that brings the one thing up.

Thanks for proving his point. 

[wheelspigharvey]

Thanks for proving his point. 

[bigdaddyhawg]

Why don't you just grow up and simply say, I hate MA as a coach!"

I'm pretty sure it's possible to have mixed feelings about MA as a coach and NOT hate him.

It's not an all or nothing proposition, where you have to either love him or, by definition, if you don't love him you hate him.

I like Mike as our coach.  I don't love him.  I think there are some very real issues that I find troubling.  But he's a very good BB coach

[hogsanity]

I'm pretty sure it's possible to have mixed feelings about MA as a coach and NOT hate him.

It's not an all or nothing proposition, where you have to either love him or, by definition, if you don't love him you hate him.

I like Mike as our coach.  I don't love him.  I think there are some very real issues that I find troubling.  But he's a very good BB coach

Nope, not on Hogville. If you say ANYTING critical of MA, then you hate him, are a racist, want the team to lose to make Mike look bad, want his house blown away by a tornado.

Look, MA is a GOOD coach, not horrible, but far from elite. If you are happy with making the NCAAT fairly often, and making the occasional sweet 16, then you will be happy.

[wheelspigharvey]

I'm pretty sure it's possible to have mixed feelings about MA as a coach and NOT hate him.

It's not an all or nothing proposition, where you have to either love him or, by definition, if you don't love him you hate him.

I like Mike as our coach.  I don't love him.  I think there are some very real issues that I find troubling.  But he's a very good BB coach

That's fine but I was specifically poo pooing on Sexybeast77, who wasn't expressing mixed feelings and what not but making stuff up and then calling those who called him/her out blind followers.

[bigdaddyhawg]

That's fine but I was specifically poo pooing on Sexybeast77, who wasn't expressing mixed feelings and what not but making stuff up and then calling those who called him/her out blind followers.

I know, but I have taken it as a personal mission to try to interject that it is OK to criticize our HC and his staff, and that it doesn't mean there's any hating involved.

I dream of a day when all men (Hog fans) can gather together (on Jump Ball) and accept one another in brotherly love, with no labeling.

Yeah, right!!  ;-))

[wheelspigharvey]

I know, but I have taken it as a personal mission to try to interject that it is OK to criticize our HC and his staff, and that it doesn't mean there's any hating involved.

I dream of a day when all men (Hog fans) can gather together (on Jump Ball) and accept one another in brotherly love, with no labeling.

Yeah, right!!  ;-))

So when we win a national title then?

[WorfHog]

So when we win a national title then?

Maybe that night, but most of the board would start complaining about the next years team not being as good before the NC team was back in Fayetteville. 

[bigdaddyhawg]

So when we win a national title then?

When we do win another one of those, get back to me.  Until then, that's not something I see in our future.

[GlassofSwine]

I'm pretty sure it's possible to have mixed feelings about MA as a coach and NOT hate him.

It's not an all or nothing proposition, where you have to either love him or, by definition, if you don't love him you hate him.

I like Mike as our coach.  I don't love him.  I think there are some very real issues that I find troubling.  But he's a very good BB coach

It is possible to have mixed feelings, but if you are going to come on here and continually post your strong dislike of everything he has done in his tenure at Arkansas just man up and say it. Quit trying to spin it. That's why the quote you spliced ended with saying you are entitled to your opinion. Of course, that statement was directed at a specific poster, who is not you. I'm all for criticism but not this melodramatic, spin the facts to try to prove my point disaster that is in half the threads in this forum.

[hawginbigd1]

I'm pretty sure it's possible to have mixed feelings about MA as a coach and NOT hate him.

It's not an all or nothing proposition, where you have to either love him or, by definition, if you don't love him you hate him.

I like Mike as our coach.  I don't love him.  I think there are some very real issues that I find troubling.  But he's a very good BB coach

This is the exact thing you get in MMQB when you say something other than sunshine and daffodils about BA. You can't point out his/their weaknesses or you are a hater. There probably are haters of both but we all get lumped in the same batch when we are critical of the areas that are weak or are disappointing, like MA and staffs recruiting this season. I am anything but an MA hater, but his plan of attack for this recruiting season has been very disappointing to me, and smacks of being ill-prepared.

[bigdaddyhawg]

This is the exact thing you get in MMQB when you say something other than sunshine and daffodils about BA. You can't point out his/their weaknesses or you are a hater.

Truer words were never spoken.

I've noticed over the years there are certain people that become sacred cows and others that become punching bags, with little or not apparent reason why each became such.

But I like steak, so in my world there are no sacred cows, so I get labeled a hater on here quite often.  And that's fine.

But some sack of stuff actually called me "part of the herd" the other day -- now that REALLY peed me off!!  ;-)

[Kevin]

it is the wide receivers fault

[bigdaddyhawg]

it is the wide receivers fault

They are HORRIBLE!!  (But we don't allow bashing of players.  EXCEPT when that bashing is done to support BA!)

[hogsanity]

They are HORRIBLE!!  (But we don't allow bashing of players.  EXCEPT when that bashing is done to support BA!)

I view the WR's like I view MA---good, nothing more, nothing less.

[bigdaddyhawg]

I view the WR's like I view MA---good, nothing more, nothing less.

I think Hatcher may play in the league.  Man, what are we risking by talking football in Jump Ball??  Scary, huh?

[Kevin]

They are HORRIBLE!!  (But we don't allow bashing of players.  EXCEPT when that bashing is done to support BA!)

Love this post

[WarPig88]

Nope, not on Hogville. If you say ANYTING critical of MA, then you hate him, are a racist, want the team to lose to make Mike look bad, want his house blown away by a tornado.

Look, MA is a GOOD coach, not horrible, but far from elite. If you are happy with making the NCAAT fairly often, and making the occasional sweet 16, then you will be happy.

You mean like your hero, Eddie Sutton?

[SexyBeast77]

I asked for evidence to back up a claim, you gave bad evidence, then got all whipped into a frenzy and called me a blind follower when I debunked it.

The last statement might be true but it's not really relevant when arguing against you.  Every stat you cite has to be qualified with "well since Mike sucks we have to disregard this part that negates what I said," or "why are you focusing on this one thing," even though you're the one that brings the one thing up.

Um, I'm not in a frenzy and I didn't give "bad evidence," I just gave 1 stat from the stat sheet PPG. i shouldn'd have even gone down the wormhole with you. Of course there are lots of other stats.   When it comes down to it you think
  Britt, Delvon Johnson, Marshawn Powell, and Rotnei Clarke are better on the floor than Madden, Young, and Mickelson. Yes Britt avg'd 5.3 and Mickelson avg'd 5.2 PPG. Woo hoo, that would be great if a micro PPG average is all that mattered.  Also very important is there was 7(8 with Powell) other returning players that were a year more experienced to go along with the Freshman class.  You didn't "debunk" anything.  We can have a difference of opinion on which players make the overall team stronger and that's fine.

[hogsanity]

You mean like your hero, Eddie Sutton?

He is not my hero, I do not put my worship in humans.  But , since you decided to make this absurd comparison:

At Arkansas Eddie Sutton in his 1st 5 yrs went to the ncaat 3 times, making a elite 8 and a final 4. Also, in his 1st 5 yrs they either won or finished 2nd in the conference 4 out of those 5 years.

In their 1st 13 seasons as head coaches, Eddie Sutton went to the ncaat 6 times, making 1 sweet 16 one elite 8 and one final 4. And this was all before the ncaat tournament expanded to 64 teams. In Eddie's 1st 13 years the tournament was either 32 or 48 teams. His teams in his 1st 13 season finished 1st or 2nd in their conference 7 times, and his 1st 5 years were at Creighton, who had no conference, they were playing as an independent.

In Mike's 1st 13 years, his teams have made 7 NCAAt appearances, making one sweet 16 and one elite 8. He also has had teams finish 1st or 2nd in their conference only 4 times in 13 season.

So yea, Eddie Sutton > Mike Anderson at least to this point in their respective careers.

[wheelspigharvey]

Pelphrey  2010-2011 18-13   (7-9)
Anderson 2011-2012 18-14  (6-10)

So only one is the worst coach in history? #NumbersAreTheEnemy

I took issue with this right here.  You posted a bad stat to make a point and you even went so far as to say "numbers are the enemy."  I asked for more numbers, the ones you chose weren't in your favor, now I'm being nit-picky.

[bigdaddyhawg]

So, let me summarize what has previously been stated:

-A lot of guys on here love Mike Anderson and have complete confidence in where he has the program and where the program is headed under his leadership.

-Some people think Mike Anderson is a good man and a good coach, but are not all that thrilled with the current state of affairs, and, at least in the short term, are concerned with the direction the program is headed.

-A few people really don't like Mike Anderson at all or where he is taking the program.

We now continue your regularly scheduled programming.

[ArkansasI]

The "State of the Hogs":

Arkansas replaced 5 quality players with 2 excellent recruits.  I am concerned that the staff now appears to be grasping at bodies to fill the roster.  And I fear that any momentum built in 2014-15 may be lost in attrition. 

Alumni and fans spend huge amounts of time and money in support of university athletic departments.  Everyone should expect those same supporters to develop irrational expectations - and we should all live comfortably with the idea that we will never be satisfied with less than spectacular results.

Living in the age of information, we have access to minute by minute updates that we used to wait weeks and months to learn.  This access brings us seemingly closer to the programs we love, and creates opportunities to micromanage the teams, coaches, players and ourselves.  We exercise these opportunities freely through this forum.

Personally, I want to see players recruited that I am proud to support.  I want Arkansas to sign kids that are competitive, academically motivated, team oriented, generally happy and proud to represent the University of Arkansas.  I would expect those types of players to create a program atmosphere that is capable of growing.

I believe that these conditions are most likely to arise within the best players in the State of Arkansas - and they must be made the first priority recruits every year.  We cannot expect the program to grow when homegrown talent sees better opportunity elsewhere.  Eddie Sutton and Nolan Richardson grew the program from within the state.  The program began slipping when Arkansas's top talent began going elsewhere.

Arkansas basketball is not like Kentucky basketball... we have not sold our souls in favor of basketball success.  I hope we never do.

[Kevin]

So, let me summarize what has previously been stated:

-A lot of guys on here love Mike Anderson and have complete confidence in where he has the program and where the program is headed under his leadership.

-Some people think Mike Anderson is a good man and a good coach, but are not all that thrilled with the current state of affairs, and, at least in the short term, are concerned with the direction the program is headed.

-A few people really don't like Mike Anderson at all or where he is taking the program.

We now continue your regularly scheduled programming.

that is a great wrap up report

[Kevin]

i stand by my statement, they are some who put anderson above the program.

if this season plays out, like it might, meaning no ncaa tournament, the excuses will begin at the top and flow down to the fans.

i would just like for anderson to be judged on the same level as the other coaches arkansas has or had.

[Thepigdoctor]

i stand by my statement, they are some who put anderson above the program.

if this season plays out, like it might, meaning no ncaa tournament, the excuses will begin at the top and flow down to the fans.

i would just like for anderson to be judged on the same level as the other coaches arkansas has or had.

It could just as easily play out in a tourney bid. We won't know until they play the games.  Who knows, the team could really gel as a unit and be a better all around team without two superstars, or their loss could be impossible to replace for the current roster and we struggle mightily.

We wouldn't be the first team to lose a significant amount of scoring, rebounding, and starting minutes who saw very little drop off and I'm certain we wouldn't be the last. Players and teams have a way of making up for lost production and we've got some pieces in place that offer hope for a nice season. I for one see Beard's scoring increasingly significantly and believe many are overlooking just how much he brought to the team once he became the starter. Whitt will probably be asked to contribute a lot from day one and until I see otherwise, I have no reason to believe he won't, freshman or not.

I believe we'll see the team improve significantly on defense in both transition, press, and half-court, which alone could account for a nice spike in ppg, even if it's distributed evenly over multiple players.

I do believe this is going to be Mike's most challenging season as a head coach since coming to Arkansas, but he's had time to get players he wanted in place, so there is reason to believe the sky isn't falling. For those that like this style of basketball, this team looks to me like one that will really excel in the full court game. Scoring in the half court is my biggest worry after losing what we did, but again, we haven't seen this team even take the court for practice together yet.

The argument for being more prepared to replace guys is valid, but it's also somewhat narrow-sighted when you look at what we signed to replace the known seniors leaving. Hindsight is 20/20 and I'm sure the staff is disappointed they weren't able to do more despite being in a tough situation.

This staffs future, right or wrong, in my eyes hinges on how they recruit in '16. They'll have had the needed time to get relationships established at Arkansas, recruit players they want, and will have their best chance at overhauling the roster with kids they've targeted here all along. The first class with Qualls/Williams/etc is not in my mind a class you hold a staff to, considering they needed to fill over half of the team with spots in just the first year recruiting.

If they can't get it right with next years class, I'll doubt they ever can. My hope is they do and that this season isn't near as bad as some are projecting. Whether you love, hate, or are indifferent to Anderson, I think we can all agree that a coaching change is just another set back to us ever returning to glory.

[SexyBeast77]

I took issue with this right here.  You posted a bad stat to make a point and you even went so far as to say "numbers are the enemy."  I asked for more numbers, the ones you chose weren't in your favor, now I'm being nit-picky.

Lets try this
               GP   PPG  RPG  APG  SPG  BPG  TPG    FG%   FT%    3P%
2010/11     31   71    34   12      7      6     13     .436     .695    .362
2011/12     32   72    34   14      8      5     13     .434     .691    .353

Pretty comparable numbers. We did have More points, More Assists, More Steals in 2011/2012.  2010/2011 was marginally ahead in other categories. The general point I want to make was Mike didn't have a bad team to start with and he hasn't really won and built momentum in regards to NCAAT Appearances and Recruiting.

[porkinsons disease]

i stand by my statement, they are some who put anderson above the program.

if this season plays out, like it might, meaning no ncaa tournament, the excuses will begin at the top and flow down to the fans.

i would just like for anderson to be judged on the same level as the other coaches arkansas has or had.

Well stated

[WorfHog]

i stand by my statement, they are some who put anderson above the program.

if this season plays out, like it might, meaning no ncaa tournament, the excuses will begin at the top and flow down to the fans.

i would just like for anderson to be judged on the same level as the other coaches arkansas has or had.

If Bret Bielema was coming off the best season in 20 years then he'd be lauded as the favorite to win the SEC next season. If you want to judge people fairly you have to give them credit for their successes and failures. Mike gets zero credit from a vocal minority on this forum. I guess they think last season was a fluke.

Mike Anderson is the heart of our basketball program right now.  I know you hate it, but it's the truth. The players are his players and the style is his style. As a bonus he's doing it the right way. We have no academic or legal issues to speak of. All he has done is get better every year. If this season plays out, like it might, we could make a decent run in the NCAA tournament, and you guys will be on Hogville running down Mike Anderson for not winning it all. 

Houston Nutt ruined this fan base.

[PonderinHog]

If Bret Bielema was coming off the best season in 20 years then he'd be lauded as the favorite to win the SEC next season. If you want to judge people fairly you have to give them credit for their successes and failures. Mike gets zero credit from a vocal minority on this forum. I guess they think last season was a fluke.

Mike Anderson is the heart of our basketball program right now.  I know you hate it, but it's the truth. The players are his players and the style is his style. As a bonus he's doing it the right way. We have no academic or legal issues to speak of. All he has done is get better every year. If this season plays out, like it might, we could make a decent run in the NCAA tournament, and you guys will be on Hogville running down Mike Anderson for not winning it all. 

Houston Nutt ruined this fan base.

We're doomed...   

[Letsroll1200]

Lets try this
               GP   PPG  RPG  APG  SPG  BPG  TPG    FG%   FT%    3P%
2010/11     31   71    34   12      7      6     13     .436     .695    .362
2011/12     32   72    34   14      8      5     13     .434     .691    .353

Pretty comparable numbers. We did have More points, More Assists, More Steals in 2011/2012.  2010/2011 was marginally ahead in other categories. The general point I want to make was Mike didn't have a bad team to start with and he hasn't really won and built momentum in regards to NCAAT Appearances and Recruiting.

Your best player was on the sideline for almost the whole season! Marshawn Powell

Its really sad that people use stats but want tell the story of the season. You win at least two-three more conference games with a healthy Marshawn Powell.

[bigdaddyhawg]

Mike Anderson is the heart of our basketball program right now.  I know you hate it, but it's the truth.

He's the head, but I think the fans that truly love the Hogs have and will always be the heart of the Razorbacks.

And it's Mike's program to lead, and he is firmly entrenched as that leader, but the program has quite a ways to go to be elevated to the height it should be.

Because Mike is a great guy, very likable, and connected to the glory days doesn't relieve him of the responsibility he bears to take this program to that height.

[bigdaddyhawg]

If Bret Bielema was coming off the best season in 20 years then he'd be lauded as the favorite to win the SEC next season. If you want to judge people fairly you have to give them credit for their successes and failures. Mike gets zero credit from a vocal minority on this forum. I guess they think last season was a fluke.

Mike Anderson is the heart of our basketball program right now.  I know you hate it, but it's the truth. The players are his players and the style is his style. As a bonus he's doing it the right way. We have no academic or legal issues to speak of. All he has done is get better every year. If this season plays out, like it might, we could make a decent run in the NCAA tournament, and you guys will be on Hogville running down Mike Anderson for not winning it all. 

Houston Nutt ruined this fan base.

And would you Mike Anderson lovers please STEP whining about Bret Bielema?? 

It's not EVER going to bring anyone to your side of the argument.

[Thepigdoctor]

And would you Mike Anderson lovers please STEP whining about Bret Bielema?? 

It's not EVER going to bring anyone to your side of the argument.

Why say Anderson lovers, despite trying to distinguish yourself as someone who is not a hater. You can be critical of him but not be a hater, but any who point out the positives are lovers? Maybe those folks just choose to look at all of the good things going on in the program, without fretting so heavily that we're doomed to burn under Anderson. Can't have it both ways.

The comment above that Nutt ruined the fan base could not be more spot on. That dark period in Razorback history created a dividing rift in the fan base and now you either love or hate our coaches, but must be labeled one way or the other. It's sad really, to see how such an enthusiastic and proud fan base has allowed themselves to become so divided, despite all wanting the same thing for the program and that's success.

[WorfHog]

And would you Mike Anderson lovers please STEP whining about Bret Bielema?? 

It's not EVER going to bring anyone to your side of the argument.

I'm not whining about Bret, he's a great coach too and I was saying that two years ago even though the " objective realists" did nothing but question him and whine that Petrino wasn't the coach.  I think CBB going to have a season that is similar to the one CMA just finished,  then we'll lose some talent, and the "objective realists" will be all over  MMQB telling everyone how much worse the football team will be in 2016.

We have a very myopic fanbase.

Edit: See it's already starting

I'm honestly terrified for the '16 season. I don't see how our offense doesn't take a huge step back, unless this recruiting class turns out to go above and beyond. In addition to the OL JackJohnson mentioned, we're going to be losing Brandon Allen, Jonathan Williams, possibly Alex Collins, possibly Hunter Henry, and Keon Hatcher.

But I guess there's good news, also. Our defense should be unbelievable next year, unless something major and unexpected happens, and all of our traditionally toughest games are at home, with the exception of @TCU.

[bigdaddyhawg]

Why say Anderson lovers, despite trying to distinguish yourself as someone who is not a hater. You can be critical of him but not be a hater, but any who point out the positives are lovers? Maybe those folks just choose to look at all of the good things going on in the program, without fretting so heavily that we're doomed to burn under Anderson. Can't have it both ways.

The comment above that Nutt ruined the fan base could not be more spot on. That dark period in Razorback history created a dividing rift in the fan base and now you either love or hate our coaches, but must be labeled one way or the other. It's sad really, to see how such an enthusiastic and proud fan base has allowed themselves to become so divided, despite all wanting the same thing for the program and that's success.

OK, I'm going to concede your point, but I was just using that as a shortcut as much as anything.

[bigdaddyhawg]

I'm not whining about Bret, he's a great coach too and I was saying that two years ago even though the " objective realists" did nothing but question him and whine that Petrino wasn't the coach.  I think CBB going to have a season that is similar to the one CMA just finished,  then we'll lose some talent, and the "objective realists" will be all over  MMQB telling everyone how much worse the football team will be in 2016.

We have a very myopic fanbase.

The fanbase is comprised of human beings, and there are ... well, human.

Here's the deal about what say here:  if CBB fails to recruit accordingly to make up for his talent losses after 2015, he will be in line for appropriate critiisim for that failing, just as MA is right now.

[Breems]

I've never seen so much worry, gloom, and despair for a program that has improved so much.

WorfHog nailed it in this thread.

[WarPig88]

The fanbase is comprised of human beings, and there are ... well, human.

Here's the deal about what say here:  if CBB fails to recruit accordingly to make up for his talent losses after 2015, he will be in line for appropriate critiisim for that failing, just as MA is right now.

So we JUST finished our best season in 20 years and MA is deserving of criticism?

I haven't seen the bad season yet. This is 2015 right?

If having the best season in the last 20 years justifies criticism, then I would hate to see this place if we have the best season in 30 years.

[hawginbigd1]

I've never seen so much worry, gloom, and despair for a program that has improved so much.

WorfHog nailed it in this thread.

I disagree with this, I was not a big fan of the CBB hire, didn't feel that his style matched up with our existing roster, and i think that has pretty well been evident. His recruiting has been nothing short of excellent from day one IMO. I have no worries about our roster in FB going forward.

The flip side was I was/am a huge fan of the MA hire, but I am concerned about next year and the roster going forward. The recruiting he has done until now, I was not blown away by, but I was not disappointed either. I am not disappointed this year with the 2 players we have got, I am disappointed we do not have at least 1 if not 2 more solid recruits landed by now. In year 5 we should be able to reload and not take a significant step back, what I think almost everyone's expectation for MA was when he came here.

The way the roster is currently built 2016 is a huge year in recruiting and there is top talent around that is interested. Will they still be interested after an 18-20 win season that lands us in or just missing the NIT? These are my concerns, the 27 win season we had is great, but that is over now, and we lost the core players that made it happen and we are very light on replacing them. Am I remotely thinking we need to be getting the torches and pitchforks out? Heck nah, but I am worried about the future.

There are  people that remember the HDN debacle, and the fact that because of who he was stayed a good 2 or 3 years longer than he should have, I am in that camp.

[hogsanity]

If Bret Bielema was coming off the best season in 20 years then he'd be lauded as the favorite to win the SEC next season.

Not if he had just lost about 85% of the production and was relying on true freshmen to keep it going. If the Hog football team were to go 10-2 this season, but were going to be replacing JW, AC, BA, and 3 OL with true FR, no way would they be picked to win the SEC the next year, by anyone with any sense at all. Then, take it a tep further toward bball right now. IF the football team lost all of theta, and only signed enough new players to replace HALF of what was lost, it would be even worse.

That is what most of us see right now in bball. Lost Portis, Qualls, Madden, Harris, and Babb, yet only signed, to this point, 2 main players in Whitt and Kapita.