J-Will and Keon

[GrizzlyRider07]

Looks like Keon will be back next season according to Coach B at his Press Conference today. Also seems like it's not 100% that J-Will is gone. By the sounds of it, if his grade isn't in the top 3 rounds he just might come back. Says he was anywhere from 3rd-5th rounder after last season. I wouldn't think that would get better when he didn't even play this season.

[Biggus Piggus]

Both Bielema and Enos characterized it as a "chip shot" field goal. Their whole plan was to force Mississippi State to use all its timeouts, then kick the field goal. They wanted to get a first down by running but were unwilling to run outside the tackles, wanting to keep the football in the middle of the field.

Bielema pointed out that Alex Voelzke was in the outside blocking position where Mitchell Loewen usually is. Voelzke was the blocker who failed and allowed his man to pass and block the kick.

[GrizzlyRider07]

Both Bielema and Enos characterized it as a "chip shot" field goal. Their whole plan was to force Mississippi State to use all its timeouts, then kick the field goal. They wanted to get a first down by running but were unwilling to run outside the tackles, wanting to keep the football in the middle of the field.

Bielema pointed out that Alex Voelzke was in the outside blocking position where Mitchell Loewen usually is. Voelzke was the blocker who failed and allowed his man to pass and block the kick.

Uhhhh what's that have to do with the topic hahaha

[LRHawg]

Bielema pointed out that Alex Voelzke was in the outside blocking position where Mitchell Loewen usually is. Voelzke was the blocker who failed and allowed his man to pass and block the kick.

I thought so Saturday but wasn't sure, when I saw that was Voelzke outside. Voelzke played a good game in my eyes, up to that point.

[lahawg1]

There is a chance on J Will coming back? Wow that would help for next year.

[woodrow hog call]

Both Bielema and Enos characterized it as a "chip shot" field goal. Their whole plan was to force Mississippi State to use all its timeouts, then kick the field goal. They wanted to get a first down by running but were unwilling to run outside the tackles, wanting to keep the football in the middle of the field.

Bielema pointed out that Alex Voelzke was in the outside blocking position where Mitchell Loewen usually is. Voelzke was the blocker who failed and allowed his man to pass and block the kick.

I wondered about this when it happened, thinking that Loewen would probably have been out there somewhere.
I still think they were right in the way they went about it, I think we have all at times been upset about running a play that puts the kicker at a bad angle, so it seems to me it was a good plan.

[Razorfox]

Looks like Keon will be back next season according to Coach B at his Press Conference today. Also seems like it's not 100% that J-Will is gone. By the sounds of it, if his grade isn't in the top 3 rounds he just might come back. Says he was anywhere from 3rd-5th rounder after last season. I wouldn't think that would get better when he didn't even play this season.

Good news for us if true. 

[Razorfox]

Both Bielema and Enos characterized it as a "chip shot" field goal. Their whole plan was to force Mississippi State to use all its timeouts, then kick the field goal. They wanted to get a first down by running but were unwilling to run outside the tackles, wanting to keep the football in the middle of the field.

Bielema pointed out that Alex Voelzke was in the outside blocking position where Mitchell Loewen usually is. Voelzke was the blocker who failed and allowed his man to pass and block the kick.

It was the right call.  Sad they even have to "defend" it. 

[The_Iceman]

There is a chance on J Will coming back? Wow that would help for next year.

Yeah, if we only landed one RB like Whaley, but added J-Will, that would be great! You'd have J-Will, Walker, Whaley, and RWIII.

[RME]

Looks like Keon will be back next season according to Coach B at his Press Conference today. Also seems like it's not 100% that J-Will is gone. By the sounds of it, if his grade isn't in the top 3 rounds he just might come back. Says he was anywhere from 3rd-5th rounder after last season. I wouldn't think that would get better when he didn't even play this season.

Would be huge to get J-Will back. That would probably assure the Collins is gone, but if Rawleigh can fully participate, and with the recent news of Whaley...that could be some exciting stuff. Apart from losing Brandon, the pieces for next year are falling nicely into place. With our home schedule, could be a pretty exciting time.

[lstewart]

We should be really solid at receiver next year getting Keon back to go with the group that is producing right now. Doubt if J-Will would really come back, but that might mean two more wins if he did. Basically the running game should then be as productive as it has this year. Sure might take a little pressure off the new QB's shoulders early in the season.

[onebadrubi]

Would be huge to get J-Will back. That would probably assure the Collins is gone, but if Rawleigh can fully participate, and with the recent news of Whaley...that could be some exciting stuff. Apart from losing Brandon, the pieces for next year are falling nicely into place. With our home schedule, could be a pretty exciting time.

Gotta recruit Kirkland and SKipper to stick around for one more year, although I don't think Brian Wallace wants to hear that. 

[longpig]

Looks like Keon will be back next season according to Coach B at his Press Conference today. Also seems like it's not 100% that J-Will is gone. By the sounds of it, if his grade isn't in the top 3 rounds he just might come back. Says he was anywhere from 3rd-5th rounder after last season. I wouldn't think that would get better when he didn't even play this season.

I'm glad Keon's coming back but it's not like we're desperate for him to do so.

[RME]

I'm glad Keon's coming back but it's not like we're desperate for him to do so.

Not necessarily desperate, I agree. But having a guy like him around who's been here for so long to help break in a new QB could prove valuable.

[Bacon_Bitz]

Gotta recruit Kirkland and SKipper to stick around for one more year, although I don't think Brian Wallace wants to hear that.

Wallace will have a spot on next year's line.  Kirkland, Wallace, Rogers, Ragnow, Skipper would make an excellent starting group.

[longpig]

Not necessarily desperate, I agree. But having a guy like him around who's been here for so long to help break in a new QB could prove valuable.

He may be playing backup.

[Hogarusa]

I'm glad Keon's coming back but it's not like we're desperate for him to do so.

Nobody would have said this 4 weeks ago.

Also, this thread is confusing.

[The_Iceman]

Wallace will have a spot on next year's line.  Kirkland, Wallace, Rogers, Ragnow, Skipper would make an excellent starting group.

I think the staff has said Wallace is a tackle ONLY. They won't put him at guard.

[hogsanity]

I'm glad Keon's coming back but it's not like we're desperate for him to do so.

As this year pointed out, you can never have enough weapons.

[Amityvillehogger]

I think the staff has said Wallace is a tackle ONLY. They won't put him at guard.

Hmmm... Give me the best 5. Wonder if that would change if they needed a guard.

Kirkland or Skipper back to OG?

[onebadrubi]

Hmmm... Give me the best 5. Wonder if that would change if they needed a guard.

Kirkland or Skipper back to OG?

Disclaimer: My thoughts only

Kirkland is our best Olineman and he is at the most crucial and important position.  I think they are hoping a JUCO can step right in and take over tretola, but I think it will be the best possible lineman available.  You will also have allen, gibson, and merrick pushing for playing time

[trippigs]

Saw Keon on the sidelines last weekend... throwing and catching the ball.

[ldfergu]

Could someone post a quote of what was said?

[ricepig]

Could someone post a quote of what was said?

No, but you can find it in here. I don't think it's much of a chance, just that if JWill plays in the Sr bowl and isn't 100% healthy, it could cost him a lot of draft spots. He will get to talk to some NFL executives, since his is a unique position to be in.


https://twitter.com/wholehogsports/status/668875111869517824

[havok]

There is a chance on J Will coming back? Wow that would help for next year.

Especially early on....till the New QB Starter gets a good amount of snaps, and the feel for the game.  A Great running game can help take pressure off a QB who may be asked to to too much before being ready.

[TNhawgfan]

Would be huge to get J-Will back. That would probably assure the Collins is gone, but if Rawleigh can fully participate, and with the recent news of Whaley...that could be some exciting stuff. Apart from losing Brandon, the pieces for next year are falling nicely into place. With our home schedule, could be a pretty exciting time.

Unless our D gets drastically better, or the players redshirting or coming to campus next year on the D side are better than what we have, I'm not going to get too excited

[PorkRinds]

Unless our D gets drastically better, or the players redshirting or coming to campus next year on the D side are better than what we have, I'm not going to get too excited

Our defense is really young.  They'll improve, and with new guys coming in they'll be better next year hopefully.  But if getting Jwill and Keon back doesn't excite you, you may need a Viagra pill or two.

[TNhawgfan]

Our defense is really young.  They'll improve, and with new guys coming in they'll be better next year hopefully.  But if getting Jwill and Keon back doesn't excite you, you may need a Viagra pill or two.

Depression works against erections - and losing 51 to 50 is majorly depressing!

[jry04]

Unless our D gets drastically better, or the players redshirting or coming to campus next year on the D side are better than what we have, I'm not going to get too excited

So you don't think returning 20/22 defensive players off our 2 deep will help improve the defense? When you have that many guys playing together for multiple years, it will definitely improve. People said the same thing before last year, and we ended up having an elite defense. We will return everyone but Hodge and Gaines, while adding players like Guidry, Carmouche, Agim, Capps, and whoever else I am missing. We will have one of the most experienced defenses in the country. I have no doubt that we will be playing better with another offseason to work on things.

[Hoggish1]

Looks like Keon will be back next season according to Coach B at his Press Conference today. Also seems like it's not 100% that J-Will is gone. By the sounds of it, if his grade isn't in the top 3 rounds he just might come back. Says he was anywhere from 3rd-5th rounder after last season. I wouldn't think that would get better when he didn't even play this season.

But, it won't get worse either...

[RME]

Unless our D gets drastically better, or the players redshirting or coming to campus next year on the D side are better than what we have, I'm not going to get too excited

I don't think it's crazy to think that players get better with more experience. Only losing 2 defensive players next year in Hodge and Gaines. Once Greenlaw gets a little more time and hopefully finally adding some LB depth, I don't think it'll be all that bad.

[hawgmasta]

I'm really just hoping our d-line can get some pressure next year. That would help our nonexistent secondary exponentially.

[The_Iceman]

I'm really just hoping our d-line can get some pressure next year. That would help our nonexistent secondary exponentially.

Agim will help with that. So will Jamario Bell.

[TNhawgfan]

experience absolutely helps, but it's also a possibility that a few of these guys have already hit their ceiling and they're not going to get drastically better

[DiamondHogFan]

I just hope the NFL gives J-Will a true analysis/draft range.  Would hate for them to tell him 2-3rd round and he go in the 5th.
Going to be a tough decision for him...as it is for most players leaving early. 

Selfishly, I hope they tell him 5th round.  J-Will, K Walker, RWIII (hopefully)...along with our new found WR core + Keon.  A new starting QB's dream.

[redeye]

Both Bielema and Enos characterized it as a "chip shot" field goal. Their whole plan was to force Mississippi State to use all its timeouts, then kick the field goal. They wanted to get a first down by running but were unwilling to run outside the tackles, wanting to keep the football in the middle of the field.

Bielema pointed out that Alex Voelzke was in the outside blocking position where Mitchell Loewen usually is. Voelzke was the blocker who failed and allowed his man to pass and block the kick.

Being that close, I wanted us to try harder for a TD.  However, that's very sound logic right there.  I'm usually the guy complaining because we don't setup our kickers well.  We did it this time and it just didn't work out.

We win that game 99% of the time.

Great to hear that Keon's coming back and I would LOVE to have Jwill back, too.  He's one of my favorite Hogs ever and I wish he never had to leave.

[scruf]

The D will improve. If you compare Spaight and Greenlaw's first year at Arkansas there's no comparison:

Spaight
7 games
22 tackles

Greenlaw
11 games
88 tackles

Greenlaw in year two should at least equal what MS did in year two (128 tackles).

Brooks Ellis is steadily improving as well, going from 33 to 72 to 95 tackles over his three year career. Could have two linebackers go over 100 tackles each for the first time ever next year. That would be big.

[Hogarusa]

I just hope the NFL gives J-Will a true analysis/draft range.  Would hate for them to tell him 2-3rd round and he go in the 5th.
Going to be a tough decision for him...as it is for most players leaving early. 

Pretty sure nobody would use the draft grades if they just gave out wrong information

[DiamondHogFan]

Pretty sure nobody would use the draft grades if they just gave out wrong information

I agree they get it right most of the time.  I just know there are times guys just sit in the green room waiting for their name to be called well passed when everyone thought it would be.

[IronHog]

The D will improve. If you compare Spaight and Greenlaw's first year at Arkansas there's no comparison:

Spaight
7 games
22 tackles

Greenlaw
11 games
88 tackles

Greenlaw in year two should at least equal what MS did in year two (128 tackles).

Brooks Ellis is steadily improving as well, going from 33 to 72 to 95 tackles over his three year career. Could have two linebackers go over 100 tackles each for the first time ever next year. That would be big.

He might match his tackle numbers but no way he makes the same impact till at least year three......if ever.

Spaight's overall physicality and aggressiveness set the tone for the entire defense.

[Sowlamander]

IF J-Will comes back and IF we land Whaley plus another quality back (Pennamon, possibly), I would redshirt RWIII and give the young man a full year to heal.

[Calling All Hogs]

JWill would be better off coming back. No one ever knows for sure how well someone comes back from an injury fully after a year off until they play in games. Even a combine is not going to tell the whole story as it doesn't predict the mental effects.  It doesn't take much speculation about an injury and a year off to drop draft stock. If he does have any mental effects or just plain rust, it doesn't take long in the NFL to get cut. It he comes back he has a season to get fully up to speed and if he has a great year it would really help. 

[FreshHog]

Agim will help with that. So will Jamario Bell.

I have a good feeling Agim will be a monster, even in his first year.

That "kid" ( he isnt really a kid, thats a full grown man ladies and gentlemen ) looks to be a stud. He's a bigger, faster, more athletic trey flowers from what a lot of scouts say, which just sounds scary cause Trey was an absolute monster himself.

[Augustus]

Uhhhh what's that have to do with the topic hahaha

Well, in all fairness... there's been many a threads that have been derailed, just as quickly?

[presidenthog]

I'm really just hoping our d-line can get some pressure next year. That would help our nonexistent secondary exponentially.

watch out don't say this or arkansasrazorback will come and tell you how stupid you are.

[presidenthog]

also I always felt keon was coming back. I never doubted that because even though I feel he has nfl potential and will get drafted. I knew he needed this year to have enough on film to get drafted.

Secondly I have always thought Jwill would go pro no matter what this year and I hated knowing AC would get drafted before him even though Jwill was the better back. I expected jwill to go 4-6 th round because he didn't play this year. Now I honestly believe that he will be back next year because he isn't going to like what he hears. I agree with CBB that he is a 2nd round guy. I actually now after hearing this news believe he will be back next year. I fear this will hurt our chances with whaley though.

[FreshHog]

also I always felt keon was coming back. I never doubted that because even though I feel he has nfl potential and will get drafted. I knew he needed this year to have enough on film to get drafted.

Secondly I have always thought Jwill would go pro no matter what this year and I hated knowing AC would get drafted before him even though Jwill was the better back. I expected jwill to go 4-6 th round because he didn't play this year. Now I honestly believe that he will be back next year because he isn't going to like what he hears. I agree with CBB that he is a 2nd round guy. I actually now after hearing this news believe he will be back next year. I fear this will hurt our chances with whaley though.

I dont think it hurts our chances with Whaley. If theres one thing we know about the Bielema system with running its that he BELIEVES in multiple backs rotating, and would prefer to have 3 of them if he can help it. Theres zero chance in my mind that Whaley is unaware of this, and if nothing else, I believe it improves our chances with Whaley, as it gives him another proven back to run behind while he learns the scheme and the offense, and pass protections etc, without putting a ton of pressure on him, and wearing those legs out.

The NFL wants backs with a lot of miles left on them, being in a system like jwill and collins have been in the last 3 should help them if anything.

[PorkRinds]

JWill would be better off coming back. No one ever knows for sure how well someone comes back from an injury fully after a year off until they play in games. Even a combine is not going to tell the whole story as it doesn't predict the mental effects.  It doesn't take much speculation about an injury and a year off to drop draft stock. If he does have any mental effects or just plain rust, it doesn't take long in the NFL to get cut. It he comes back he has a season to get fully up to speed and if he has a great year it would really help.

Completely disagree.   Jwill would be better off getting his shot at getting paid to play football.  Unless his draft grade is lower than last time, or they tell him it's unlikely he gets drafted, he needs to go.  He's one more injury away from never getting his shot.  He needs to take his chance for him and not worry about the Hogs in this case.

[Steef]

Completely disagree.   Jwill would be better off getting his shot at getting paid to play football.  Unless his draft grade is lower than last time, or they tell him it's unlikely he gets drafted, he needs to go.  He's one more injury away from never getting his shot.  He needs to take his chance for him and not worry about the Hogs in this case.

Hate it for us, but I agree.

Now is his time.

[BearsBisonsBoars]

He might match his tackle numbers but no way he makes the same impact till at least year three......if ever.

Spaight's overall physicality and aggressiveness set the tone for the entire defense.

What really stuck me about Spaight was his ability to read offenses and position his guys on the field. That doesn't seem to be something that Brooks is willing or able to do. But I'm not down on the field, so what do I know?