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The G.O.A.T.?

Started by sasnakrafan, February 03, 2018, 09:34:07 am

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Who really is the G.O.A.T?

Tom Brady
35 (56.5%)
Bill Belichick
27 (43.5%)

Total Members Voted: 62

sasnakrafan

Could Belichick win as many Superbowl with say a Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Troy Aikmen or :insert elite quarterback:?

Does Brady win just as many Superbowls with say Don Shula, Vince Lombardi, Tom Coughlin(Brady lost 2x in SB to him), Mike McCarthy, :insert elite coach:?

We all know this is the  perfect marriage for the Pats right now, but I'm curious as who do you guys think is the G.O.A.T.?

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Quote from: sasnakrafan on February 03, 2018, 09:34:07 am
Could Belichick win as many Superbowl with say a Drew Brees, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Joe Montana, Troy Aikmen or :insert elite quarterback:?

Does Brady win just as many Superbowls with say Don Shula, Vince Lombardi, Tom Coughlin(Brady lost 2x in SB to him), Mike McCarthy, :insert elite coach:?

We all know this is the  perfect marriage for the Pats right now, but I'm curious as who do you guys think is the G.O.A.T.?

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it's apples and oranges... they are both the goat at what they do. their success go hand and hand.
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rtr

One would not be as sucessful without the other.  It is chemistry.  Bellicheck would have sucess with another big time qb, but probably not like the present run.
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Grumpypenguin

Anyone that doesn't think Tom Brady is the best QB of all time is a little bit braindead and only thinks that because of irrational hatred to Tom Brady and greatness.

Atlhogfan1

Past generations of qbs didn't play in an era of protection for qbs or other offensive players. NFL has also tried helping the offenses.  It has tried to make teams as close to 8-8 as possible to keep more fan bases interested.  Do I think these Pats are as good as the dynasties of the 70s 80s or early 90s, no?  But for their era they are the best.   Brady would have been great in any era. 
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Quote from: Atlhogfan1 on February 03, 2018, 11:57:09 am
Past generations of qbs didn't play in an era of protection for qbs or other offensive players. NFL has also tried helping the offenses.  It has tried to make teams as close to 8-8 as possible to keep more fan bases interested.  Do I think these Pats are as good as the dynasties of the 70s 80s or early 90s, no?  But for their era they are the best.   Brady would have been great in any era.


Past generations of qbs also didn't play in the salary cap era

sickboy

Look, Brady's the greatest QB of all time. There's no debating that. However, I think Belichick could have done just as well with another QB. I think he's proved time and again that one of his greatest strengths is plugging in players to his system and still winning. Yes, it's the NFL and as the QB goes, so your team goes, but the Patriots have lost key guys throughout the years and every time you think they're going to regress, Belichick plugs in another player and continues to win. I think that's a testament to the true genius of Belichick.

I'd even venture to say that Belichick is the greatest coach of all-time.

sasnakrafan

Quote from: sickboy on February 03, 2018, 03:46:22 pm
Look, Brady's the greatest QB of all time. There's no debating that. However, I think Belichick could have done just as well with another QB. I think he's proved time and again that one of his greatest strengths is plugging in players to his system and still winning. Yes, it's the NFL and as the QB goes, so your team goes, but the Patriots have lost key guys throughout the years and every time you think they're going to regress, Belichick plugs in another player and continues to win. I think that's a testament to the true genius of Belichick.

I'd even venture to say that Belichick is the greatest coach of all-time.

I'm in agreeance with this. Some years they don't have superstars and youre just wondering why and how? Running backs especially true... None of their running backs are hall of famers. I think Belichick would have won at least 3-4 with Peyton Manning, remember Peyton was jipped twice BC  mike Vanderjagt and his field goals and he finally won one when they took Adam viniatieri away from New England. Also another argument is Belichick almost had a .500 record with the dysfunctional Browns (30-32). He's out coached the past 6-7? coaches there. They haven't been the same. I don't dislike Brady at all.. He is the Greatest of All Time, but how much of that is BC of Belichick is my question.

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Quote from: Grumpypenguin on February 03, 2018, 11:28:46 am
Anyone that doesn't think Tom Brady is the best QB of all time is a little bit braindead and only thinks that because of irrational hatred to Tom Brady and greatness.

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Quote from: Grumpypenguin on February 03, 2018, 11:28:46 am
Anyone that doesn't think Tom Brady is the best QB of all time is a little bit braindead and only thinks that because of irrational hatred to Tom Brady and greatness.
Completely true but hat doesn't mean I have to like it!  :'( :'(

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hawgdavis

Joe Montana, you left him off. Still the best I've ever seen. If he played with today's rules he and Rice would be unstoppable.

hawgdavis

Quote from: sasnakrafan on February 03, 2018, 04:37:06 pm
I'm in agreeance with this. Some years they don't have superstars and youre just wondering why and how? Running backs especially true... None of their running backs are hall of famers. I think Belichick would have won at least 3-4 with Peyton Manning, remember Peyton was jipped twice BC  mike Vanderjagt and his field goals and he finally won one when they took Adam viniatieri away from New England. Also another argument is Belichick almost had a .500 record with the dysfunctional Browns (30-32). He's out coached the past 6-7? coaches there. They haven't been the same. I don't dislike Brady at all.. He is the Greatest of All Time, but how much of that is BC of Belichick is my question.


They no doubt have one hell of a system and Brady is IMO the second best QB of all time I just think from watching all of my life that Joe is the GOAT and it's ok if you all disagree after all we have the right to our own opinions. I also think that Jordan if the GOAT in hoops.

EastexHawg

I think Jim Brown is the greatest football player who ever lived and that Jerry Rice is #2.

The greatest player ever, in any sport, is Babe Ruth...and it's not even close.  He was a Hall of Fame pitcher before he was moved to the outfield to take advantage of being the greatest, most dominant hitter ever.  If it hadn't happened no one would believe it.

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Quote from: hawgdavis on February 03, 2018, 07:56:19 pm
Joe Montana, you left him off. Still the best I've ever seen. If he played with today's rules he and Rice would be unstoppable.

Brady only played one season with a WR talent on Rice's level...Moss.  Joe had Rice for a career...arguably the greatest NFL player in history.  Playing for a genius offensive guru HC.

The thing that impresses me most about Brady has been the turnover he's endured on offense during his career.  Until Gronk, he's never really had hall of fame talented weapons, and even Gronk can't stay on the field with any consistency.  Last year he basically had to go without Gronk.  This year no Edelman.  And he just churns it out no matter what.  He lost the SB tonight to a better team.  He was once again great without Edelman at all and Cooks for most of the game.  Still took it to the wire.  His defense never had any answers.

Brady is undoubtedly the GOAT to me. 

However, If we're talking about QB skill sets alone, then Rodgers and Elway are the guys.  The most complete skill sets ever. 
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Brady is one of the GOATS but I don't care to give any one person that title.
   He was lucky enough to get to play under one coach and one system his entire career, in an era where QB's are protected more than ever before and rules are implemented to promote and give the edge to passing offenses.  No he didn't have elite RB's but he always had plenty of weapons and like I said he plays in a pass happy era where the running game is secondary opposed to Elway, Marino etc.. who played in the era of the RB.  You basically had to have one of the best running games to win during that time.  Marino never had that, Elway didn't have it till the end of his career.   Montana was one of the greats too, but he was lucky enough to play with all-pro players on both sides of the ball and had a coach who was the architect of the "west coast" system.  So basically he had all-pro's and ran an offense that opponents didn't know how to stop yet.  Later when he was at KC the guy was still damn good, took them to the playoffs, but I find it ironic that the guy who supposedly couldn't win a super bowl "Marino", defeated him in a shootout in the last game of Montana's career.
    Speaking of Irony:  Think about this,  The best Statistical years Manning had, 2004 and 2014 i think.   He lost in the playoffs or lost the super bowl.  The best season Tom Brady had and probably the best team of all time, he lost the Super Bowl to the Giants in an epic one.  Also the Worst season Manning ever had was his last year, heck he was probably the worst QB in the league at that point.  He beat the Pats and went on to win the SB.   
   It all just makes it very clear that calling someone a GOAT based on winning team championships is ludicrous.   
   I have my favorites as anyone does,  but it just isn't possible to compare Apples to Apples due to rule changes, era's, coaches, systems, surrounding talent, etc..  etc...

 

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Quote from: Luke STYwalker on May 29, 2018, 11:14:50 am
   It all just makes it very clear that calling someone a GOAT based on winning team championships is ludicrous.     

I couldn't agree more. It's a flawed metric.