CBBs day

[gchamblee]

Especially when you consider where Coach Bielema came from.  Bielema didn't grow up in a rich family.  He grew up working on the farm.  He wasn't the son of a coach who used connections to get started in the profession.  He was a walk-on who earned his way via hard work.  He impressed Hayden Fry as a walk-on player and he earned a right to be a grad assistant for him at Iowa.  He worked his way up the coaching ladder.  Everything was earned.

Bielema doesn't have a great win-loss record at Arkansas. Those who get pissed at any and every positive thing written about him are nothing but pathetic weirdos.  If they truly are upset about Coach Bielema's income then they need to get some "fire in their belly" and work their way to being a coach.  Get a college degree.  Grad assist somewhere for barely enough income to survive and work their way up the ladder like he did.

It's weird how those mad at their own sad existence of a "mediocre" life get pissed at others for working their way out of being poor.

100% agreement from me

[ChitownHawg]

What a hoot. According to the 2015 season Arkansas football generated 57 million in revenues and 29 million in profits. That is a pretty good margin. I'm pretty sure that other people who run companies that generate those kinds of revenues (and especially profit margins), work those kinds of hours, have a shower in their office and fly around in their company airplanes. The fact that you even attempt to compare say, a guy/lady who works in manufacturing as an example, to a completely different and fairly unique job (65 P-5 HC jobs in the country?) is hilarious.

Oh yeah, we are pitting the average working man against a P-5 college football coach. "Up the Republic!", and all of that stuff. Pity the working man, right? Hey, those folks don't pity themselves, why should you? Oh yeah I forgot, you don't really care for our football coach. I'll bet those poor guys who work hard every day cutting and welding steel in building commercial trash compactors in Vernon, AL really resent Gus and Nick. Geez louise, your shtick gets old.

I started to post a reply to him, but decided I could not stay civil. Great post and you stayed civil. 

[Poker_hog]

What a hoot. According to the 2015 season Arkansas football generated 57 million in revenues and 29 million in profits. That is a pretty good margin. I'm pretty sure that other people who run companies that generate those kinds of revenues (and especially profit margins), work those kinds of hours, have a shower in their office and fly around in their company airplanes. The fact that you even attempt to compare say, a guy/lady who works in manufacturing as an example, to a completely different and fairly unique job (65 P-5 HC jobs in the country?) is hilarious.

You can't compare a CEO to cbb or any othe college football coach.  CBB works for a nonprofit organization.  He makes money coaching ametuer athletics.  In that context it's absolutely ridiculous how much he makes.  However, he is probably compensated at fair market value, but the market is jacked up.

[ChitownHawg]

You can't compare a CEO to cbb or any othe college football coach.  CBB works for a nonprofit organization.  He makes money coaching ametuer athletics.  In that context it's absolutely ridiculous how much he makes.  However, he is probably compensated at fair market value, but the market is jacked up.

Having worked for nonprofits your understanding is not correct. I will point out when I worked for my first nonprofit my idea of one is the same as you stated above. I quickly learned it was wrong. Here is the definition as provided by NOLO:

Nonprofit corporations, by definition, exist not to make money but to fulfill one of the purposes recognized by federal law: charitable, educational, scientific, or literary. Under state and federal tax laws, however, as long as a nonprofit corporation is organized and operated for a recognized nonprofit purpose and has secured the proper tax exemptions, it can take in more money than it spends to conduct its activities.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/taxes-nonprofit-corporation-earnings-30284.html

I know this to be true as I cut a niche for myself as a revenue-generator for nonprofits. Even some executive directors don't understand they can make a profit. They think revenue is donation generated only which is not true.

So Long and CBB are CEOs making a profit. Without that profit they could not expand the sports programs.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

Having worked for nonprofits your understanding is not correct. I will point out when I worked for my first nonprofit my idea of one is the same as you stated above. I quickly learned it was wrong. Here is the definition as provided by NOLO:

Nonprofit corporations, by definition, exist not to make money but to fulfill one of the purposes recognized by federal law: charitable, educational, scientific, or literary. Under state and federal tax laws, however, as long as a nonprofit corporation is organized and operated for a recognized nonprofit purpose and has secured the proper tax exemptions, it can take in more money than it spends to conduct its activities.

http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/taxes-nonprofit-corporation-earnings-30284.html

I know this to be true as I cut a niche for myself as a revenue-generator for nonprofits. Even some executive directors don't understand they can make a profit. They think revenue is donation generated only which is not true.

So Long and CBB are CEOs making a profit. Without that profit they could not expand the sports programs.

I have to wonder if a lot of the critics would like Bielema more if he said, "Wait, I don't need 4 mil, I love Arkansas so much, just pay me 1 mil each year"? Think they would love him then?

No, they would likely be griping that we hadn't really put our money where our mouth is and hadn't gone after a coach who we would pay 4 mil a year.

[The_Iceman]

My problem over the last 2 seasons is the games we could not close out. We left least 4 wins on the field the last two seasons. Think what those wins would have done for the program. As much as where we are now is his fault, you have to give Petrino credit for winning those games.

What would two addition wins have done for this program each of these last two seasons. You are talking about a 10 win season, followed by a 9 win season after losing your top QB, RB, TE, and most of the OL.

Bielema should have gotten that done, and he didnt. You don't get many windows here at Arkansas in the SEC. Petrino saw his and took advantage of it. Bielema just had his, and didn't complete the deal. He had ok seasons, but not great.

[gchamblee]

I have to wonder if a lot of the critics would like Bielema more if he said, "Wait, I don't need 4 mil, I love Arkansas so much, just pay me 1 mil each year"? Think they would love him then?

No, they would likely be griping that we hadn't really put our money where our mouth is and hadn't gone after a coach who we would pay 4 mil a year.

You see the world through your cynical eyes
You're a troubled young man I can tell
You've got it all in the palm of your hand
But your hand's wet with sweat and your head needs a rest

And you're fooling yourself if you don't believe it
You're kidding yourself if you don't believe it
Why must you be such an angry young man
When your future looks quite bright to me
How can there be such a sinister plan
That could hide such a lamb, such a caring young man

[12247]

You Guys points are well taken.  You Guys are correct, I don't care for the coach.  And I don't blame him for the 4 million in compensation.  I do refuse to wet my pants  with glee every time his name comes up.  My personal opinion is that the Football operations would have done similar with a lessor known coach making less compensation. 

In the end, I just want what everyone else wants, a winner.  As to comparing circumstances, once again, we will all act like humans and provide numbers, situations,  and stats that we believe show positive proof that our opinion is correct.  I am no different, except that I am willing to admit it.  Most of you aren't.

[gchamblee]

You Guys points are well taken.  You Guys are correct, I don't care for the coach.  And I don't blame him for the 4 million in compensation.  I do refuse to wet my pants  with glee every time his name comes up.  My personal opinion is that the Football operations would have done similar with a lessor known coach making less compensation. 

In the end, I just want what everyone else wants, a winner.  As to comparing circumstances, once again, we will all act like humans and provide numbers, situations,  and stats that we believe show positive proof that our opinion is correct.  I am no different, except that I am willing to admit it.  Most of you aren't.

there is a stark difference between looking for numbers to support an opinion, and forming an opinion based on the numbers. I think you are probably a pretty smart dude but your hatred of CBB really influences your posting here, and quite frankly it mostly sounds ridiculous. You keep saying his teams aren't tough, when I think the opposite is true. When a player makes a mental mistake, you are one of the first to blame the coach for it. Then you make the asinine claim that CBB will coach well this year only because he wants a contract extension. You imply that he doesn't want to win, only keep his contract perpetually beneficial to himself.

As for getting the same from a lesser known lesser paid coach, I highly doubt we could have hired a no name low cost coach and improved our recruiting the way CBB has done, and hired the quality assistants that CBB has hired. If you look at the numbers, under Dan Enos our offense isn't far off from Petrino type numbers. If CPR proves to be an equally successful hire, we could be one of the most complete teams in the SEC behind Bama. That type of sustainable success does take time, which you have given CBB zero. I understand when someone loses their patience and starts their fall from support but I have zero respect for the opinions of anyone that never gave the man a chance to begin with. Your complaints fall on deaf ears because you were never capable of complimenting the good. You criticize his clothing, music preferences, physical appearance, coaching style, hours worked in a day, travel habits and recruiting. As far as I am concerned, your opinion has zero value and you shouldn't get so defensive when people don't take you seriously. I admire your determination to infest others with your ill opinion of CBB but your posts still read like a tornado siren test on a sunny Tuesday afternoon.

With all that said, I would still buy you a beer and share a pizza with ya.

[hogcard1964]

You Guys points are well taken.  You Guys are correct, I don't care for the coach.  And I don't blame him for the 4 million in compensation.  I do refuse to wet my pants  with glee every time his name comes up.  My personal opinion is that the Football operations would have done similar with a lessor known coach making less compensation. 

In the end, I just want what everyone else wants, a winner.  As to comparing circumstances, once again, we will all act like humans and provide numbers, situations,  and stats that we believe show positive proof that our opinion is correct.  I am no different, except that I am willing to admit it.  Most of you aren't.

Good post. 

+1000

[goodguytex]

umm, umm, umm....

LOL!!

[theFlyingHog]

You can't compare a CEO to cbb or any othe college football coach.  CBB works for a nonprofit organization.  He makes money coaching ametuer athletics.  In that context it's absolutely ridiculous how much he makes.  However, he is probably compensated at fair market value, but the market is jacked up.

Jacked up? It's a multi-billion dollar a year industry. Surely you've heard of supply and demand? If there's not much supply and high demand then people get paid a lot. Literally anyone can flip burgers, that's why they get paid crap. Not too many people can run a major college football program.
Maybe this should be a new reality show. Let some redneck dumbarse try to run Alabama's football program

[LRHog]

Dude...seriously. All i was saying is i don't have sympathy for his long work days or not getting to see his wife because alot of people have to do the same thing for much less money. You need to relax.

Kinda went overboard didn't ya? Throwing out comments like im a socialist when im probably the furthest thing from it. Hope your day gets better bud.

Tends to happen when every one of your posts is dog darn.

[code red]

Can't wait for Richard's exclusive report on the day-ending shower.

Agreed....TMI.

[ChitownHawg]

You Guys points are well taken.  You Guys are correct, I don't care for the coach.  And I don't blame him for the 4 million in compensation.  I do refuse to wet my pants  with glee every time his name comes up.  My personal opinion is that the Football operations would have done similar with a lessor known coach making less compensation. 

In the end, I just want what everyone else wants, a winner.  As to comparing circumstances, once again, we will all act like humans and provide numbers, situations,  and stats that we believe show positive proof that our opinion is correct.  I am no different, except that I am willing to admit it.  Most of you aren't.

Care to point to posts where this happens?

[Hawgar The Horrible]

There are jackasses on this board that would like to inspect CBB's poop and they would complain if it floats. And floaters are a good thing.

[GolfnHog]

Maybe Richard will document a day when the team is not practicing.  I am not surprised at those hours.  Hundreds of thousands of everyday people work those hours for years on end and for pennies on the dollar of what BB makes.  They don't take vacations, likely never fly in an airplane, don't have a shower in the office to clean up before going home and noise is way to loud at work to hear any music if any was playing.  Their biggest worry at quitting time is will the old clunker start and make it home.  Not only does these folks work many double shifts weekly, they often do it at 2 separate jobs, thus not getting overtime on either. 

And many of these pennies on the dollar workers pulling long hard hours still seem to be more successful at their jobs than BB is at his.

I'll say "AYSM"? You are the reason for birth control and you add nothing to any objective conversation in spite of your analogies.

[Hawgar The Horrible]

I'll say "AYSM"? You are the reason for birth control and you add nothing to any objective conversation in spite of your analogies.

File his post under Class Warfare compliments of the uneducated and classless.

[Al Boarland]

there is a stark difference between looking for numbers to support an opinion, and forming an opinion based on the numbers. I think you are probably a pretty smart dude but your hatred of CBB really influences your posting here, and quite frankly it mostly sounds ridiculous. You keep saying his teams aren't tough, when I think the opposite is true. When a player makes a mental mistake, you are one of the first to blame the coach for it. Then you make the asinine claim that CBB will coach well this year only because he wants a contract extension. You imply that he doesn't want to win, only keep his contract perpetually beneficial to himself.

As for getting the same from a lesser known lesser paid coach, I highly doubt we could have hired a no name low cost coach and improved our recruiting the way CBB has done, and hired the quality assistants that CBB has hired. If you look at the numbers, under Dan Enos our offense isn't far off from Petrino type numbers. If CPR proves to be an equally successful hire, we could be one of the most complete teams in the SEC behind Bama. That type of sustainable success does take time, which you have given CBB zero. I understand when someone loses their patience and starts their fall from support but I have zero respect for the opinions of anyone that never gave the man a chance to begin with. Your complaints fall on deaf ears because you were never capable of complimenting the good. You criticize his clothing, music preferences, physical appearance, coaching style, hours worked in a day, travel habits and recruiting. As far as I am concerned, your opinion has zero value and you shouldn't get so defensive when people don't take you seriously. I admire your determination to infest others with your ill opinion of CBB but your posts still read like a tornado siren test on a sunny Tuesday afternoon.

With all that said, I would still buy you a beer and share a pizza with ya.

Most complete teams? The recruiting has improved incrementally, but it is no where near where it needs to be to truly be in the top third of the division.

[gchamblee]

Most complete teams? The recruiting has improved incrementally, but it is no where near where it needs to be to truly be in the top third of the division.

I disagree. Bobby Petrino did not recruit as well as CBB and he had us finish 5th nationally one year right? So, our current recruiting is capable as long as we stop the mental mistakes in the second halves of games. The year we finished 5th in the nation, we lost to LSU and Bama while beating everyone else. Some of those wins were very unimpressive wins, so it just proves it can be done.

[Al Boarland]

I disagree. Bobby Petrino did not recruit as well as CBB and he had us finish 5th nationally one year right? So, our current recruiting is capable as long as we stop the mental mistakes in the second halves of games. The year we finished 5th in the nation, we lost to LSU and Bama while beating everyone else. Some of those wins were very unimpressive wins, so it just proves it can be done.

SEC is recruiting more of the top players in the country than when BP was dialing up TD's.

[Bebop]

There are jackasses on this board that would like to inspect CBB's poop and they would complain if it floats. And floaters are a good thing.

And there are some that would gobble it up.

[theFlyingHog]

And there are some that would gobble it up.

I don't see that around here. I see some people who are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he can't hack it. I see some others who love the Razorbacks and just want them to win. Then I see another group of people. The group who would happily let their wives/girlfriends/sisters/moms jump on a motorcycle with ol road rash.

[Bebop]

I don't see that around here. I see some people who are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he can't hack it. I see some others who love the Razorbacks and just want them to win. Then I see another group of people. The group who would happily let their wives/girlfriends/sisters/moms jump on a motorcycle with ol road rash.

I think everybody wants the Razorbacks to win. There are some that don't think Bielema is make us a better winning program. Too many choke jobs that have left us with underachieving seasons. I hope he can prove me wrong this season.

[gchamblee]

SEC is recruiting more of the top players in the country than when BP was dialing up TD's.

And Enos has proven he can move the ball and score against those better players. We just need the defense to catch up and I think the defense is in good hands now. We shall see.

[ChitownHawg]

SEC is recruiting more of the top players in the country than when BP was dialing up TD's.

This is 247Sports class rankings by year. While the total number of SEC teams with Top 20, the number of SEC W teams in the Top 10 is more.

CBB

(SEC teams in Top 20)

2016 (5=W 3=E)
1. Bama
3. LSU
4. Ole Miss
8. Georgia
9. Auburn
12. Florida
14. Tennessee
18 TAM
23. Hogs
25. SC
28. MSU
43. Mizzou



2015 (7=W 3=E)
1. Bama
4. Tenner
5. Georgia
6. LSU
8. Auburn
11. TAM
17. Ole Miss
18. MSU
19. SC
21. Florida
23. Hogs
25. Mizzou
46. Vandy



2014 (6=W 4=E)
1. Bama
2. LSU
5. TAM
6. Auburn
7. Tenner
8. Georgia
9. Florida
15. Ole Miss
19. SC
29. Hogs
35. MSU
39. Mizzou
46. Vandy

2013 (5=W 3=E)
1. Bama
3. Florida
6. LSU
8. Ole Miss
9. TAM
10. Auburn
12. Georgia
20. SC
23. Hogs
24. Tenner
25. MSU
26. Vandy
34. KY
43. Mizzou

CBP

2012 (4=W 4=E)
1. Bama
4. Florida
8. Georgia
11. Auburn
14. LSU
16. TAM
17. SC
20. Tenner
22. MSU
28. Hogs
32. Mizzou
47. Ole Miss
48. Vandy
50. Ky


2011 (4=W 4=E)
1. Bama
5. Auburn
6. Georgia
8. LSU
11. Florida
14. Tenner
17. SC
20. Ole Miss
21. Hogs
34. TAM
35. MSU
38. Ky


2010 (3=W  2=E)
1. Florida
5. Bama
6. Auburn
8. LSU
9. Tenner
11. Georgia
23. Ole Miss
26. SC
33. MSU
41. Hogs
47. Ky


2009 (2=W 3=E)
1. LSU
2. Bama
5. Georgia
7. Florida
8. Tenner
14. SC
19. Ole Miss
20. MSU
21. Hogs
23. Auburn
43. Ky

http://247sports.com/Season/2017-Football/CompositeTeamRankings

[ChitownHawg]

I don't see that around here. I see some people who are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt until he proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that he can't hack it. I see some others who love the Razorbacks and just want them to win. Then I see another group of people. The group who would happily let their wives/girlfriends/sisters/moms jump on a motorcycle with ol road rash.

Ditto

[Al Boarland]

And Enos has proven he can move the ball and score against those better players. We just need the defense to catch up and I think the defense is in good hands now. We shall see.

Here is the most rational way to look at things.  When you are taking a look at what you think a team can do in an upcoming season the very first thing you look at is who has more talent.  Now I know some hate to hear it, but we are about MS St. level when it comes to talent.  So, out of the gate you are looking at 3 L's just based off that metric.  Then you get to all your toss up games.  Fortunately, CBB has the talent to where that is a good little group of games.  Considering what he has accomplished since taking the wheel you would have to say we can win about ~50% of those games.  Now the tricky part is figuring if we will lose to teams we has no business losing to.  One of those teams is not MS St as they are in the same talent area we are. 

Thinking Rhodes will step in and somehow take players who aren't as talented as the players they face when they get to the upper third of the SEC and projecting wins is not rationally thinking.  Are there upsets?  Absolutely.  However, that's not how you should evaluate a schedule for accuracy.  A scheme is just a scheme.  Can it be a better fit for personnel?  Sure can.  However, there is a learning curve and a 3-4 can get toasted just like a 4-3.

I say all that to point to how a rational person would look at things.  As an optimist you would go along with the line of thinking that every other team isn't working just as hard as your team.  That every other team will be worse or the same.  That we should have won games we didn't while the games we barely won should not have been losses.  That our players will play harder than the other team's players.  And on and on.  There's nothing really wrong with that other than it not being accurate, but at the end of the day rationality and fandom don't go hand in hand.  Some fans can do it, some can't.  Some choose not to.

[Dwillhog66]

Here is the most rational way to look at things.  When you are taking a look at what you think a team can do in an upcoming season the very first thing you look at is who has more talent.  Now I know some hate to hear it, but we are about MS St. level when I comes to talent.  So, out of the gate you are looking at 3 L's just based off that metric.  Then you get to all your toss up games.  Fortunately, CBB has the talent to where that is a good little group of games.  Considering what he has accomplished since taking the wheel you would have to say we can win about ~50% of those games.  Now the tricky part is figuring if we will lose to teams we has no business losing to.  One of those teams is not MS St as they are in the same talent area we are. 

Thinking Rhodes will step in and somehow take players who aren't as talented as the players they face when they get to the upper third of the SEC and projecting wins is not rationally thinking.  Are there upsets?  Absolutely.  However, that's not how you should evaluate a schedule for accuracy.  A scheme is just a scheme.  Can it be a better fit for personnel?  Sure can.  However, there is a learning curve and a 3-4 can get toasted just like a 4-3.

I say all that to point to how a rational person would look at things.  As an optimist you would go along with the line of thinking that every other team isn't working just as hard as your team.  That every other team will be worse or the same.  That we should have won games we didn't while the games we barely won should not have been losses.  That our players will play harder than the other team's players.  And on and on.  There's nothing really wrong with that other than it not being accurate, but at the end of the day rationality and fandom don't go hand in hand.  Some fans can do it, some can't.  Some choose not to.

I completely disagree with 2nd to last sentence. There are not levels of fandom. You are either a fanatic or your not.
I completely agree that fandom and rationality don't go together and would think it's impossible for the 2 to be together.
A fan has to believe their team is going to win no matter what, otherwise you're just a person who roots for a team. It's also impossible to be a fan of multiple college teams, if a person argues this point they just like to root for a few teams but are a fan of none.

[Al Boarland]

I completely disagree with 2nd to last sentence. There are not levels of fandom. You are either a fanatic or your not.
I completely agree that fandom and rationality don't go together and would think it's impossible for the 2 to be together.
A fan has to believe their team is going to win no matter what, otherwise you're just a person who roots for a team. It's also impossible to be a fan of multiple college teams, if a person argues this point they just like to root for a few teams but are a fan of none.

I've seen this fan/fanatic statement and it doesn't hold water. People are wired differently. You can attend a university and be a fan of the athletics programs while maintaining a rational line of thought and an objective state of mind. It's about understanding that being a fan doesn't mean you have to wear blinders. You can support the players while being critical of the staff. You can look at your talent compared to your opponent and realize that although they work very hard they don't stack up.

[factchecker]

A fan has to believe their team is going to win no matter what, otherwise you're just a person who roots for a team. It's also impossible to be a fan of multiple college teams, if a person argues this point they just like to root for a few teams but are a fan of none.

100% TRUTH right here.

We have a disgustingly large amount of "fans" who are more sports fans than Razorback fans.  These are the fans who say they are Razorback fans but sure the hell don't act like it.  There are a couple of them on Hogville who are act like they are more Louisville, Houston, or even Texas fans.  They are also the fans who dump on the University, Northwest Arkansas, and all the Razorback traditions.  Why act like you are a fan if you hate everything related to the Razorbacks.

Finally, the worst of the worst, the bandwagon, non-contributing, t-shirt fans.  These are the fans who jump ship but still hang around message boards and social media just to stir crap.  We have a ton of these fans.  Here is a prime example:

[factchecker]

I've seen this fan/fanatic statement and it doesn't hold water. People are wired differently. You can attend a university and be a fan of the athletics programs while maintaining a rational line of thought and an objective state of mind. It's about understanding that being a fan doesn't mean you have to wear blinders. You can support the players while being critical of the staff. You can look at your talent compared to your opponent and realize that although they work very hard they don't stack up.

Big difference in being "critical" of the coaches/staff and actively rooting against and wanting the team to lose.

Also, there is a huge difference in being critical and simply taking dumps on the team any chance you get.  There are a number of posters on here who will always pick us to lose and when we win (no matter the score) will say ..... yeah , but.....  and then say that we should have lost.  I've read idiots say that we were lucky to beat Florida last season 31-10!

[factchecker]

Just look at this thread.  This thread was a simple link to an article.

Nobody was saying that Coach Bielema deserved a raise.

Nobody was saying that Coach Bielema deserved a contract extension.

Nobody was saying that Coach Bielema is the greatest coach of all time.

BUT the "realists" show up to talk crap.  Why?

Nobody was asking for sympathy but some poster decided to bitch about not having sympathy for Coach Bielema.  It's weird.  Any brief sign of positity is burnt to the ground here.

Another weird thing is that when our athletic department tweets anything positive about our academics there will be at least 30 replies of people going apeshit.  I understand that the majority of Arkansans don't have a degree beyond high school but a tweet about academics shouldn't offend you.

There are reasons to be upset with our on field performances.  There are reasons to be mad with Coach Bielema.  You should not let that cloud your love and passion for the Razorbacks.  If you hate the Razorbacks so much that you have to bad mouth them every chance you get then just go find another team.

[Al Boarland]

Big difference in being "critical" of the coaches/staff and actively rooting against and wanting the team to lose.

Also, there is a huge difference in being critical and simply taking dumps on the team any chance you get.  There are a number of posters on here who will always pick us to lose and when we win (no matter the score) will say ..... yeah , but.....  and then say that we should have lost.  I've read idiots say that we were lucky to beat Florida last season 31-10!

I agree there are differences in the things you stated.  I also think that some fans take any criticism as an attack on the thing they are emotionally invested in.

[factchecker]

I agree there are differences in the things you stated.  I also think that some fans take any criticism as an attack on the thing they are emotionally invested in.

No doubt.  I think message boards lends itself to hyperbolic statements and positions.

I'm a self proclaimed positive fan but I am not happy where we are currently at in football.

Bielema has to win more.  Simple.  If he doesn't then it's time to move on.

[Al Boarland]

Another weird thing is that when our athletic department tweets anything positive about our academics there will be at least 30 replies of people going apeshit.  I understand that the majority of Arkansans don't have a degree beyond high school but a tweet about academics shouldn't offend you.

The reason you see people do this is because they aren't winning enough for that poster's expectation.  There are many here that have unrealistic expectations.  They are comprised of both optimists and pessimists.  When you don't win enough everything gets attacked.  That's not a Hog fan phenomenon.  When you get down to it all fan bases are pretty much the same.  The success or failure of the programs contribute to different characteristics of the respective fan base, but they are comprised of the same types of people.  Which is to say it's diverse.  That's why saying a fan can only be one way is a ridiculous statement.  Saying someone is just rooting for a team is trying to create a difference when there isn't one.

[factchecker]

The reason you see people do this is because they aren't winning enough for that poster's expectation

I don't think anyone is happy with our current winning (losing) record.  I just don't see the need to drag down a positive post about academics or other things.

IF someone starts a thread predicting us to go 12-0 or how Bielema is the best then go after them.

The celebration of academics or off-field achievements should not be seen as an insult.

[Al Boarland]

I don't think anyone is happy with our current winning (losing) record.  I just don't see the need to drag down a positive post about academics or other things.

IF someone starts a thread predicting us to go 12-0 or how Bielema is the best then go after them.

The celebration of academics or off-field achievements should not be seen as an insult.

I agree that.  Others as well.  Some look at it as trying to promote something to distract while everyone knows the bottom line is to win games.  The AD probably doesn't have the same expectations as a subset of fans because no matter how much you huff and puff there are realities that are huge obstacles to reaching those expectations.  So, taking that in consideration there are a number of metrics administrators take into account when judging the performance of a hire.  My personal opinion is that good, but not great is acceptable to the Admin as long as those secondary metrics are also satisfactory.  That can be a tough pill to swallow for those less than excellent fans that demand excellence.  However, with the SECN rev distribution Admins are fiscally comfortable with their expectations grounded in reality.

[hogcard1964]

I don't think anyone is happy with our current winning (losing) record.  I just don't see the need to drag down a positive post about academics or other things.

IF someone starts a thread predicting us to go 12-0 or how Bielema is the best then go after them.

The celebration of academics or off-field achievements should not be seen as an insult.

+1000

I just noticed a recruit at Tennessee beat the snot out of another recruit from another SEC school on camera and the University of Tennessee doesn't seem to have a problem with it.  From what I've heard he will remain on the team.  This kind of shart makes you glad coach B and J.L. have some morals/ethics.

[ChitownHawg]

100% TRUTH right here.

We have a disgustingly large amount of "fans" who are more sports fans than Razorback fans.  These are the fans who say they are Razorback fans but sure the hell don't act like it.  There are a couple of them on Hogville who are act like they are more Louisville, Houston, or even Texas fans.  They are also the fans who dump on the University, Northwest Arkansas, and all the Razorback traditions.  Why act like you are a fan if you hate everything related to the Razorbacks.

Finally, the worst of the worst, the bandwagon, non-contributing, t-shirt fans.  These are the fans who jump ship but still hang around message boards and social media just to stir crap.  We have a ton of these fans.  Here is a prime example:

"I'm a Card fan now screw the Hogs" - the jerk probably posts on here every day. 

[gchamblee]

"I'm a Card fan now screw the Hogs" - the jerk probably posts on here every day. 

If he likes the hogs and the cardinals, he probably has a screen name that would imply such. Like HogCard, or CardHog or something similar.

[Dmacattack]

What's funny is most posting haven't worked a 60hour work week in their life.

Well, sure they have! If surfing Hogville is considered work...

[ChitownHawg]

If he likes the hogs and the cardinals, he probably has a screen name that would imply such. Like HogCard, or CardHog or something similar.

You read my mind. 

[Snorts]

Well, yeah, I used to Coach Football for a living.  Texass or Arkansas, it didn't matter.  You workled to exhaustion regardless of where you were standing on the planet at that time.  60 hour weeks?  Try 80.  We put in 20 hours on the weekend after the Friday night game.  Some staffs I was on went to work that night, others started at 8:00 Saturday morning.  Back in the day of film, before videotape, we had to finagle the film getting sent to the nearest lab to be exposed, then get it back to the Fieldhouse in time to watch. 

Didn't ask for any sympathy, we were just trying to win the next game, against a Staff that was probably as smart as we were, and probably working every bit as hard.  If we failed, we would be fired, and accepted that as a condition for getting to work in such a great profession.  Competition, Bay-Bee.  What a rush when you won, and the complete opposite when you got your ass kicked.

We were paid very little for our extra time.  While the Classroom teachers whined about our coaching stipend, we went about our business secure in the knowledge we were getting about a dollar an hour for the time we spent above and beyond what a classroom teacher was expected to work.  While working at Camden Fairview, as the sole bread winner, my family qualified for reduced lunches at the school cafeteria.

I hope CBB milks another extension and raise, and all his assistants do as well.  If he fails to deliver, fire him and all the Staff, and lets try again.  There isn't a single member of the Staff that doesn't expect that exact scenario to play out.  Win, get rewarded.  Lose, adios my friend (AMF, althought the "MF" part can have other meanings).  The life of a Coach, ya know?