A record three 5-7 teams to go to bowls this year

[ErieHog]

I don't see a harm.  I love bowls for the reasons you mentioned and more.  But they are less earned IMO and I think we should maintain some standards.  If not, just create 64 bowls and make it a regular season holiday finale.  Make interesting matchups and just give everyone one last game because we are getting closer to it anyway.  The additional practice and exposure should be at least some kind of reward for teams achieving something. 

Bowls have never been 'earned';  they've always been meaningless exhibitions, for everyone who wasn't playing for a national title.

[Atlhogfan1]

Bowls have never been 'earned';  they've always been meaningless exhibitions, for everyone who wasn't playing for a national title.

No, they have been somewhat earned.  The destination and how good a bowl to which they have been invited hasn't always been deserved.  That is debatable.  The standards to be bowl eligible haven't been although they seem to be continuously weakening as more teams are needed.  I say the Hogs have earned a bowl game by their 6 wins to date. 

[WilsonHog]

No, they have been somewhat earned.  The destination and how good a bowl to which they have been invited hasn't always been deserved.  That is debatable.  The standards to be bowl eligible haven't been although they seem to be continuously weakening as more teams are needed.  I say the Hogs have earned a bowl game by their 6 wins to date.

Plus, not all wins are equal. One of the projections has us in the Liberty Bowl against Kansas State. The Wildcats are 1-6 in the Big XII, with the one coming against Iowa State last Saturday. Yet, if they can beat Kansas (a virtual lock) and West Virginia, they're in.

[East TN HAWG]

My problem is that we could likely be playing at 3:00 on a work day.  Why would the SEC ever partner with that time slot?  There are too many bowl games when you can't find a time slot to play in prime time or weekend.

[Atlhogfan1]

Plus, not all wins are equal. One of the projections has us in the Liberty Bowl against Kansas State. The Wildcats are 1-6 in the Big XII, with the one coming against Iowa State last Saturday. Yet, if they can beat Kansas (a virtual lock) and West Virginia, they're in.

Very true.  Playing South Dakota, San Antonio and La Tech helped get them to the 4 they have.

[ricepig]

My problem is that we could likely be playing at 3:00 on a work day.  Why would the SEC ever partner with that time slot?  There are too many bowl games when you can't find a time slot to play in prime time or weekend.

Are you kidding, have you ever been to Memphis at night?? Our only chance is to get in and get out......that, and it should be a little warmer. Actually, I've attended numerous Liberty Bowls over the years and many a times the weather has been good.

[hogsanity]

My problem is that we could likely be playing at 3:00 on a work day.  Why would the SEC ever partner with that time slot?  There are too many bowl games when you can't find a time slot to play in prime time or weekend.

Some of the bowls might want to be played in the afternoon. Take Shreveport, you want the people out of the stadium by 6 or 7 to spend money in the city.

[jbcarol]

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN 24h24 hours ago

Less than 2 weeks until invitations & NCAA still unsure how it will select 5-7 bowl teams sources told @ESPN http://espn.go.com/ncf/story/_/id/14212166/ncaa-uncertain-how-fill-bowl-games-5-7-teams ...

[Hogarusa]

Bowls have never been 'earned';  they've always been meaningless exhibitions, for everyone who wasn't playing for a national title.

this is correct, has been correct, always will be correct.

[WilsonHog]

I started the thread to see what conversation could be generated, but I have no problem with the number of bowl games. I went to the Texas Bowl last year to watch a 6-6 Arkansas team, and had a great time. This year, the Music City Bowl would be my first choice among the ones I've heard us mentioned for, because I wouldn't mind spending a few days in Nashville. Same with the Belk Bowl, because I've never been to Charlotte. Liberty? I'll certainly go, but it'll just be going to a game. I'm looking for a trip. Hell, I went to Memphis last night.

[Atlhogfan1]

this is correct, has been correct, always will be correct.

Given the standard of 6 wins and winning at Tennessee, at Ole Miss, at LSU and vs Auburn, the Hogs "earned" this bowl trip.  But yes they are exhibitions in most cases.  I wouldn't call all of them meaningless either. 

I started the thread to see what conversation could be generated, but I have no problem with the number of bowl games. I went to the Texas Bowl last year to watch a 6-6 Arkansas team, and had a great time. This year, the Music City Bowl would be my first choice among the ones I've heard us mentioned for, because I wouldn't mind spending a few days in Nashville. Same with the Belk Bowl, because I've never been to Charlotte. Liberty? I'll certainly go, but it'll just be going to a game. I'm looking for a trip. Hell, I went to Memphis last night.

I enjoy bowl games even after 6-6 seasons.  On some trips, the game almost becomes secondary depending on location. 

I'm sticking with the standards don't need to be any lower and if multiple exceptions have to be made, then there are too many bowls.  Open it up to everyone then.  Vandy-Iowa St in WMS.  Teams can almost schedule 4 wins(3 in the Big 12) before getting into conference. 

[ricepig]

This will be the reason why the number of bowls will decrease in the future.

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-football/espn-loses-millions-of-subscribers/

[Aporkalypse Now]

The number of bowl games is ridiculous. Hell most schools end up LOSING money going to their bowl game, since it costs more to take the team than the payout it is. That's just dumb.

I'm ready to knock the season down to 10 games and have a 32 team play off, 4 rounds . Done and done.

[Cinco de Hogo]

If I don't want to watch a football game I don't watch it, end of problem.  What the schools, bowls or NCAA decide to do doesn't have any effect on me.

If the Hogs are playing I'm watching!

[Aporkalypse Now]

If I don't want to watch a football game I don't watch it, end of problem.  What the schools, bowls or NCAA decide to do doesn't have any effect on me.

If the Hogs are playing I'm watching!

True, but a 4 round play off would be AWESOME.

[DEVIL DOG HOG]

It's about the almighty DOLLAR!

[pigture perfect]

The bowl games give more teams the opportunity to receive  some extra revenue and extra practice time. If only the top 20 teams or so go to bowls every year we would lose a lot of the parity that we have.

[HogWall Jackson]

If we keep blowing games like last week we will get The Participation Trophy. I will not ever Believe in CBB until he becomes more consistent at the SEC Level. Going 4-4, 3-5 and 5-3 or worse is nothing Special. If you can't Block Down on the FG Unit you should not be either a Player or a Coach at this level. Paint me unimpressed until consistency comes. Running for 45 yards in Big Games is embarrassing as well.

[LZH]

Where is the harm in having more football,  more bowl practices, and more exposure?

Not to mention the seniors on those two teams, who have worked their butts off for four or five years, having one more month of college football and one last game?

If a team wins six games, I'm all for it. Five wins?......eh, not too much.

[The Hawg Marshal]

Are there too many Bowl games? Probably. While I don't like the thought of teams with losing records making it to a bowl, I'm fine with the number of bowl games. I fill out one of those bowl pick things and watch a bunch of teams I would otherwise never care about. Now some of those games are real stinkers but sometimes they turn out to be great games. All that being said , when there is no longer money in it then it will change. The market will correct itself. Until then enjoy more football !

[ricepig]

If we keep blowing games like last week we will get The Participation Trophy. I will not ever Believe in CBB until he becomes more consistent at the SEC Level. Going 4-4, 3-5 and 5-3 or worse is nothing Special. If you can't Block Down on the FG Unit you should not be either a Player or a Coach at this level. Paint me unimpressed until consistency comes. Running for 45 yards in Big Games is embarrassing as well.

Well, color me surprised with your post, here I thought you were a Bielemer.....

[HogPharmer]

if you arent .500 please dont go to a bowl game. there are far too many crap bowl games as there is.

Didn't know anyone was forcing you to watch all of them.

[GolfNut57]

LA Tech had 9 or 10 wins a very few years ago and didn't make a bowl.

If you are referring to the LaTech team of 2-3 years ago they deserved to stay home. They actually did receive a bowl bid that year, (unless I am mistaken it was from the Indy Bowl) and they turned it down because in their arrogance they were sure they would be getting a invite to a more prestigious bowl. Well guess what happened? They did NOT get another invite that year so they stayed home despite having a 9-3/10-2 record. And also, if I recall correctly it also cost their AD or the HC his job. Not sure which one it was but he was fired for his stupidity.

[GolfNut57]

Interesting idea. You could take this thought process and expand it to where say, the top 4 or 8 teams in terms of NCAA rules violations face off every other year or maybe every 4 years in a playoff format. Winners gain some schollies back or have probation periods reduced and losers have their lost schollies and probation periods upheld. You might even get repeat offenders into the "2 year Death Penalty Bowl". Sadly, that would probably be a better way of penalizing schools than the current, subjective "NCAA Wheel of Penalty" type process.

Huh? So you want to reward the biggest cheaters with a bowl game and when they win that game (due to their being the best at cheating) you want to then reward them by returning some of the schollies they lost by cheating or shave some time off of their probation? What would we call this new bowl? "He who cheats the best suffers no penalty" bowl?

[HogimusMaximus]

Plus, not all wins are equal. One of the projections has us in the Liberty Bowl against Kansas State. The Wildcats are 1-6 in the Big XII, with the one coming against Iowa State last Saturday. Yet, if they can beat Kansas (a virtual lock) and West Virginia, they're in.

Win and get in.

[LZH]

If you are referring to the LaTech team of 2-3 years ago they deserved to stay home. They actually did receive a bowl bid that year, (unless I am mistaken it was from the Indy Bowl) and they turned it down because in their arrogance they were sure they would be getting a invite to a more prestigious bowl. Well guess what happened? They did NOT get another invite that year so they stayed home despite having a 9-3/10-2 record. And also, if I recall correctly it also cost their AD or the HC his job. Not sure which one it was but he was fired for his stupidity.

This is correct.

[jbcarol]

https://twitter.com/AustinKKim/status/670317023243710464

[Hoggish1]

Let's get the number of bowls down to about 25...

[Hoggish1]

Why?



You want to cut down on bowls?  Stop watching them on ESPN.  Make their next bowl TV contract significantly less lucrative

I do!  I watch about 7-10 bowls.  I turned off Baylor vs. TCU, in the first Q, because it was two spread teams playing horrible football...

[supersaint]

I agree. There are too many bowls but while we complain about all the bowls that are on, those kids that sweat their butts off in August and all throughout the season so we can be entertained are getting a reward for their blood/sweat/tears.

This.

[Cinco de Hogo]

I'm Thanksgiving!!! That we don't have that problem. 

How many bowl would we have to cut out for a 7-5 Arkansas team not to get an invite?

[Aporkalypse Now]

I'm Thanksgiving!!! That we don't have that problem. 

How many bowl would we have to cut out for a 7-5 Arkansas team not to get an invite?

Probably 20 LOL


And I would bet money that Mizzou will go to a bowl game if they get an invite, Pinkel's comments notwithstanding

[Boardon Hamsay]

Huh? So you want to reward the biggest cheaters with a bowl game and when they win that game (due to their being the best at cheating) you want to then reward them by returning some of the schollies they lost by cheating or shave some time off of their probation? What would we call this new bowl? "He who cheats the best suffers no penalty" bowl?

I think you "too serioused" my post.

[jvanhorn]

What is the purpose of bowl games?  Until that question is actually answered, then this is pure opinion based on nothing objective.

Your kidding, right?   Same purpose as the regular season--MONEY.

[jvanhorn]

Are you kidding, have you ever been to Memphis at night?? Our only chance is to get in and get out......that, and it should be a little warmer. Actually, I've attended numerous Liberty Bowls over the years and many a times the weather has been good.

I have been to Memphis lots of times at night.  Yet, amazingly enough, I don't have a mark on me nor have I ever been mugged or robbed.  I know folks who swear they would never be go Memphis.  They somehow forget to mention the time their car got vandalized---in Little Rock, LOL.

[Ragnar Hogbrok]

If we keep blowing games like last week we will get The Participation Trophy. I will not ever Believe in CBB until he becomes more consistent at the SEC Level. Going 4-4, 3-5 and 5-3 or worse is nothing Special. If you can't Block Down on the FG Unit you should not be either a Player or a Coach at this level. Paint me unimpressed until consistency comes. Running for 45 yards in Big Games is embarrassing as well.

Boy, that got dern  Brut Bleeema!

[jbcarol]

Steve Berkowitz ‏@ByBerkowitz 10h10 hours ago

Tulsa's win means 11 FBS teams still able to get 6 wins, and 7 teams are needed to fill spots in 40 bowls w/teams with at least 6 wins

[Aporkalypse Now]

I have been to Memphis lots of times at night.  Yet, amazingly enough, I don't have a mark on me nor have I ever been mugged or robbed.  I know folks who swear they would never be go Memphis.  They somehow forget to mention the time their car got vandalized---in Little Rock, LOL.

That being said, there certainly are places in both LR and Memphis where I wouldn't want to spend the evening.

[j-mann]

My bowl system   


Keeping the Playoff Sys   

1 Clem  VS 4 Mich ST Orange Bowl   
2 Bama VS 3 Okle cotton bowl   


Peach  N Car vs Ohio St 
Fiesta  Houston VS ND 
Rose  Iowa Vs Stan
Sugar Fla vs TCU

Bowls i would cut     

Cure N Mex   Camella    idaho   boca raton   godaddy   bahamas   st pete   pinstripe  indy  quick loans  arizona bowl bimhag  bowl      that is 12 bowls = 24 teams   

Las Vegas  i would have the champs of M-West and Mac   this year    BG VS SDSU     

New Orleans  A-ST Vs  West KY     champs of Sun beit C-Usa     

BTW unless there is special reasoning  Sun Beit C-usa M-west and MAC only get 1 bid each 


here is the ranking of the power 5 + AAC

Sec
1 Bama Playoff
2 Fla Sugar
3 miss Citrus

4 Uga Outback

5 Ark Liberty 
6 Tenn music city
7 T AM Belk
8 LSU Gator   

B 10 
1 Mich St Playoff
2 Iowa Rose
3 Ohio St Peach   
4 NW Holiday   
5 Mich citrus 
6 wisc Outback   
7 Penn St Gator   

ACC
1 Clem playoff
2 nc peach
3 FLA ST  Russall Ath 
4 Louis Beik
5 pitt milarty   
6 mia fl haw   
 
B 12
1 Okle playoff
2 tcu sugar
3 okle st alamo
4 bay  catus
5 wvu Libtry   
6 TT Texas   

pac 12 + byu   

1 Stan Rose
2 usc alamo 
3 Org Catus   
4 utah   Forster
5 BYU Holiday     
6 wash st hawill     


AAC
1 Houston fiesta   
2 temale   Forser 
3 navy  miltary   
4 mem belk

[jbcarol]

Brett McMurphy ‏@McMurphyESPN  5h5 hours ago
It's official: there will be at least two 5-7 bowl teams this year! And perhaps as many as five! Plan accordingly

[jbcarol]

Jen Smith ‏@jenheraldleader 2h2 hours ago

The NCAA's competitive oversight committee is expected to meet later this week to discuss how to handle lack of 6-6 teams to put in bowls.

[JHicks3636]

I think we have too many bowl games if 5-7 teams are playing. That being said I think that 5-7 teams that do play should be relegated to playing one another in the newest sanctioned bowl games. If you want to further saturate the bowl market, you get the dregs.

[hobhog]

Too many bowls. This is NCAAs fault for allowing it.

Who would even WANT to go bowling at 5-7? And who wants to play them?

[JHicks3636]

If they can get down to a 4-8 team being eligible, Texas can go.

[SquidBilly]

Most schools lose money going to bowls so if Im an AD and my team has a losing record Im not taking the financial hit to send them to a game they don't deserve.

[Hoggish1]

Too many bowls. This is NCAAs fault for allowing it.

Who would even WANT to go bowling at 5-7? And who wants to play them?

[Hoggish1]

How embarrassing would it be if enough teams declined so that they couldn't fill all the spots?

Let's hope that's the case.  The bowl scene is an embarrassment!

[HSVhogfan2]

I think you should be at least 7-5 before participating in post season play. That would, however eliminate a bunch of bowls.

[ErieHog]

Its down to 5 spots, with 3 teams that can still reach 6 wins.

Most likely, it'll be 2 or 3 teams with sub-.500 records

[Doug]

You need to fix your Sun Belt teams.

Georgia Southern is already going bowling. They're 8-3 (6-1).

South Alabama is the other SBC team sitting at 5-6 (3-4).