Austin Allen Question

[GrizzlyRider07]

So what's the scoop on AA? After watching BA and how he's deceptively quick and elusive while being able to scramble around. That got me to thinking, since AA probably has the upper hand on being the starter next year. Is he at all anything like his brother athletically wise? Can he escape like BA at all and get away from pressure? I know a few times this year if BA couldn't have gotten away from pressure we would've had some huge losses!

[DeltaBoy]

I think he is a step or two faster.

[Hogarusa]

The scoop on AA..

[Lake City Hog]

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Probably didn't embed this correctly, but you can see the video of his Sr. highlights.

[BielemaBrilliance]

Better than BA

[Dr. Starcs]

If he was better than ba, he'd be playing now. Having said that, I have heard he has the potential to be better.

[onebadrubi]

Little Allen was a little faster and a littler bigger/stronger arm than Brandon in High School.  That being said, I don't think ANYONE has a leg up next spring.  Each QB has been with Enos for about the same amount of time (I guess Town could be a few weeks behind).  We will see a wide open QB competition like we have not seen at Arkansas and I hope we have it figured out by TCU week next season. 

I think the QB that can make checks and reads at the LOS and is most mature mentally/slow the game down the most will win the job. 

[TebowHater]

His HS stats were better passing wise. But as a runner, he comes no where close to BA. I truly do not know where you guys are getting this from. He can throw a good juke every once and a while, but BA ( at least HS BA vs HS AA) is substantially faster. Probably .2+ faster in a 40.

[DiamondHogFan]

I just hope that whoever wins the QB spot next Spring has the heart and fight in them that BA does.  He will be missed.

[wholehog92]

His HS stats were better passing wise. But as a runner, he comes no where close to BA. I truly do not know where you guys are getting this from. He can throw a good juke every once and a while, but BA ( at least HS BA vs HS AA) is substantially faster. Probably .2+ faster in a 40.

Where did you get this information?

[ricepig]

His HS stats were better passing wise. But as a runner, he comes no where close to BA. I truly do not know where you guys are getting this from. He can throw a good juke every once and a while, but BA ( at least HS BA vs HS AA) is substantially faster. Probably .2+ faster in a 40.

I thought this as well. My son played against BA, and the next year I watched AA when they came to town. My take was that BA was quicker to run, and actually hurt us more with his pocket escapes.

[mitchforheisman]

Austin Allen high school 40 time: 4.77 secs. Brandon Allen 40 Time (not sure when this was measured): 4.87

[The_Iceman]

He has completed 9 passes in his career. I don't think we know enough either way.

[HotlantaHog]

I have heard for years that AA is better than BA. Though I take it much of this is every fanbase can be hypercritical of the starting QB and extra-optimistic about the backup QB. Guess we will find out soon enough.

[Pork Twain]

One thing I can tell you for a fact, no matter who wins out in the Spring, according to many on Hogville, the best qb will be the one on the bench

[ricepig]

One thing I can tell you for a fact, no matter who wins out in the Spring, according to many on Hogville, the best qb will be the one on the bench

Or, at the least, one we are recruiting.

[TebowHater]

Austin Allen high school 40 time: 4.77 secs. Brandon Allen 40 Time (not sure when this was measured): 4.87

Rivals has BA at a 4.7. This is pretty believable to me. Austin is > 4.8.

Where did you get this information?

Played against them both. BA for 2 years and Austin for 1. BA was much harder for us to contain. I don't know where to find their HS rushing stats with sacks removed, but I would be shocked if AA was close to BA. BA was very much a mobile QB in HS, whereas AA was more of a pocket passer (kind of what BA has been in college).

Nonetheless, they are both great kids, although very different. AA was always more clutch in HS and was 2/2 on State Championships whereas BA was 0/3. Note: Brandon definitely had a better team his senior year than AA did his junior year. That said, not claiming BA not winning one was a function of BA...(could have been better opponents, coaching, etc.)

[scruf]

Austin was a 247 Sports Composite 4* who had offers from Alabama, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Ole Miss and Oklahoma State, among others. He is very talented and it will be fun to watch him battle it out with the other QBs in the spring. That said, it really feels like a two-horse race between him and Ricky Town. Should be entertaining. May the best man win.

[razoredge178]

Little Allen was a little faster and a littler bigger/stronger arm than Brandon in High School.  That being said, I don't think ANYONE has a leg up next spring.  Each QB has been with Enos for about the same amount of time (I guess Town could be a few weeks behind).  We will see a wide open QB competition like we have not seen at Arkansas and I hope we have it figured out by TCU week next season. 

I think the QB that can make checks and reads at the LOS and is most mature mentally/slow the game down the most will win the job.

Really excited about this ^^

[Hawgey-Davidson]

Austin was a 247 Sports Composite 4* who had offers from Alabama, Notre Dame, Tennessee, Ole Miss and Oklahoma State, among others. He is very talented and it will be fun to watch him battle it out with the other QBs in the spring. That said, it really feels like a two-horse race between him and Ricky Town. Should be entertaining. May the best man win.

Let us not forget Ty Storey or Rafe Peavey. Carry on.

[yraciv]

Let us not forget Ty Storey or Rafe Peavey. Carry on.

We're not,  just if you were handicapping the race Town & AA appear to have the advantage.  Rafe and Ty have already gone up against AA once for the backup role and Bielema never hinted it was close.

[GrizzlyRider07]

What makes everyone so high on Ricky Town? The kid has done nothing to garner so much hype. He and Ty Storey were one spot away from each other on the recruiting rankings. Everyone wants to just  jump on that bandwagon why? Because he was at USC and had a good offer list? Well Ty Storey did as well. Let's wait before we just jump to conclusions to at least see how the kid does in the spring.

[mitchforheisman]

Everyone forgets Austin Allen's offer list.

What makes everyone so high on Ricky Town? The kid has done nothing to garner so much hype. He and Ty Storey were one spot away from each other on the recruiting rankings. Everyone wants to just  jump on that bandwagon why? Because he was at USC and had a good offer list? Well Ty Storey did as well. Let's wait before we just jump to conclusions to at least see how the kid does in the spring.

[wildturkey8]

Austin will be a great qb.

[onebadrubi]

Regardless this board will be hammered with people begging for the other QB even if we are winning.  That said, none have any real experience and we will see some mistakes.  The competition may very well be won in meetings and the classroom so to say. 

[jgphillips3]

I think it could best be summed up that AA is a little bigger with a little stronger arm.  Also, he is probably a little faster in straight line speed but BA is quicker and more elusive.  The biggest difference apparently is their demeanor and bearing with AA being more laid back.

[razoredge178]

Regardless this board will be hammered with people begging for the other QB even if we are winning.  That said, none have any real experience and we will see some mistakes.  The competition may very well be won in meetings and the classroom so to say.

A couple will transfer out after spring practice.

[onebadrubi]

A couple will transfer out after spring practice.

I doubt a couple transfer after this spring.  Maybe 1 but I doubt more than 1 this spring. 

[yraciv]

What makes everyone so high on Ricky Town? The kid has done nothing to garner so much hype. He and Ty Storey were one spot away from each other on the recruiting rankings. Everyone wants to just  jump on that bandwagon why? Because he was at USC and had a good offer list? Well Ty Storey did as well. Let's wait before we just jump to conclusions to at least see how the kid does in the spring.

I don't think anyone is dismissing anyone.  We have 4 quarterbacks with incredible offer list competing for 1 spots.  We'll see how it plays out and all of us are going to have opinions, but the facts are this.

1. AA was much higher than Rafe and Ty this spring & fall, so he is the favorite.
2. Ricky Town was brought in to compete for the starting job next year after the coaches had seen a decent amount of practice reps from the other 3.
3. Ricky Town has had the most publicity of the 4.  He had the higher recruit rankings, and he had success in the Elite 11 which the others can't match.

Now who knows how they have been progressing in practice, and who knows if AA is still way above Rafe and Ty or if they have closed the gap.  Everyone should get a shot and the competition is a good thing.

[Country Stylz]

I thought BA was a 4.6 guy coming out and Austin was a 4.8?

[hobhog]

He won two state championships did he not? Think he is a gamer......

[98hogs]

One thing I can tell you for a fact, no matter who wins out in the Spring, according to many on Hogville, the best qb will be the one on the bench

LOL   you are so right

[scruf]

What makes everyone so high on Ricky Town? The kid has done nothing to garner so much hype. He and Ty Storey were one spot away from each other on the recruiting rankings. Everyone wants to just  jump on that bandwagon why? Because he was at USC and had a good offer list? Well Ty Storey did as well. Let's wait before we just jump to conclusions to at least see how the kid does in the spring.

Here's the separation between the QBs and why many think it's already a 2 man battle:

Ricky Town finished 8th at the Elite 11 finals in 2014.
Austin Allen was among the 25 QBs that made it to the 2012 Elite 11 finals but did not make the final 11.
Rafe Peavey did not get a finals invite in 2013.
Ty Storey did not get a finals invite in 2014.

[cbhawg03]

Hogville will implode with another Allen as the starting quarterback

[Calling All Hogs]

We're not,  just if you were handicapping the race Town & AA appear to have the advantage.  Rafe and Ty have already gone up against AA once for the backup role and Bielema never hinted it was close.

You may be right about Rafe but I'm not sure this tells us much about Ty since they would have had to burn his redshirt to let him do a small amount of mop up work this year.

[wholehog92]

I think it could best be summed up that AA is a little bigger with a little stronger arm.  Also, he is probably a little faster in straight line speed but BA is quicker and more elusive.  The biggest difference apparently is their demeanor and bearing with AA being more laid back.

That's what my eye test tells me as well.  I have no idea who will come out on top next spring, just the .2 quicker number seemed out of place and very specific.

If I were forced to pick a horse today, I'd say AA will be starter and either Story or Town as back up.  FWIW, I'd be fine with any of the four.

I agree that whoever doesn't win and whoever we recruit will become Hogville favorites.  That is the way of the board.

[OPoraquê]

I think it could best be summed up that AA is a little bigger with a little stronger arm.  Also, he is probably a little faster in straight line speed but BA is quicker and more elusive.  The biggest difference apparently is their demeanor and bearing with AA being more laid back.

The Arkansas roster has BA at 1" taller than his bro, same weight.  As talented as BA was/is, he got "4 stars" during his high school career while AA only got 3, no?  I was really expecting the younger one to get a Parade all-American honor following his senior season.  Regardless, who cares about the rankings now?  BA is still rewriting the Arkansas record book just as he did the ASHSAA one, and I too, think AA will get the nod and lead this team to even greater heights.

(BTW, BA got stuck facing the Bentonville 2010 team his senior year, the only other Arkansas "big-school" undefeated football team in the past 10 years beside Springdale 2005.  BHS 2010 may never get the full credit it deserves, but they got a ring in a very tough year - cool enough.)

[ricepig]

The Arkansas roster has BA at 1" taller than his bro, same weight.  As talented as BA was/is, he got "4 stars" during his high school career while AA only got 3, no?  I was really expecting the younger one to get a Parade all-American honor following his senior season.  Regardless, who cares about the rankings now?  BA is still rewriting the Arkansas record book just as he did the ASHSAA one, and I too, think AA will get the nod and lead this team to even greater heights.

(BTW, BA got stuck facing the Bentonville 2010 team his senior year, the only other Arkansas "big-school" undefeated football team in the past 10 years beside Springdale 2005.  BHS 2010 may never get the full credit it deserves, but they got a ring in a very tough year - cool enough.)

Look close to the same, I always thought BA was a couple of inches taller.

https://twitter.com/IThrowFootballs/status/665742196256043009

[Hog Pharm]

I think it could best be summed up that AA is a little bigger with a little stronger arm.  Also, he is probably a little faster in straight line speed but BA is quicker and more elusive.  The biggest difference apparently is their demeanor and bearing with AA being more laid back.

From what I have seen so far it appears that BA has the stronger arm.

[jgphillips3]

From what I have seen so far it appears that BA has the stronger arm.

It's hard to say with what we've seen.  BA has gotten better and stronger every year.  I think, much like the announcers pointed out per Enos, that BA has a much more "live" arm at this point but that AA may be a bit stronger which we would see in his downfield throwing. 

[bennyl08]

I think it could best be summed up that AA is a little bigger with a little stronger arm.  Also, he is probably a little faster in straight line speed but BA is quicker and more elusive.  The biggest difference apparently is their demeanor and bearing with AA being more laid back.

This has always been my view from watching them as well.

[Hog Pharm]

It's hard to say with what we've seen.  BA has gotten better and stronger every year.  I think, much like the announcers pointed out per Enos, that BA has a much more "live" arm at this point but that AA may be a bit stronger which we would see in his downfield throwing. 

Very true. I think BA's arm strength is really underrated and has improved each year. AA's arm strength may improve with continued reps as well.

[bennyl08]

Very true. I think BA's arm strength is really underrated and has improved each year. AA's arm strength may improve with continued reps as well.

I don't really think his arm strength has improved much over the years, but his ability to has consistently correct technique has improved. The last times I got to see some of the football practices, BA was throwing the deep ball better than Tyler Wilson was. I think it was just a matter of, in the actual games, bad footwork and being scared essentially led to poorer throws that weren't as good. Even in his bad early years, you'd still see a couple passes here and there that made you say wow, he has potential.

[onebadrubi]

I don't really think his arm strength has improved much over the years, but his ability to has consistently correct technique has improved. The last times I got to see some of the football practices, BA was throwing the deep ball better than Tyler Wilson was. I think it was just a matter of, in the actual games, bad footwork and being scared essentially led to poorer throws that weren't as good. Even in his bad early years, you'd still see a couple passes here and there that made you say wow, he has potential.

That Johnelle bama game was probably still on his mind.  Took three years just to get that out of his head. 

[bennyl08]

                   Brandon Allen               Austin Allen   Rafe Peavey                Ty Storey        Ricky Town               Cole Kelley
HS ht/wt        6/2 195 (214 rivals)      6'2 217        6'2 205/212              6'3 216/210     6'3 206/6'4 210         6'7 230/235
rating             87.66 (3*, 4*)             89.5 (4*)     88.44 (4*,3*)            90.88 (4*)      96.02 (4*)                 85.36 (3*)
hs forty?         4.7 (rivals)                  4.77             4.5                           4.92
Hudl               6'1 175                      6'2 205          6'2 212                       6'3/216         6'3 202                     6'7 246
                     4.84 forty                  4.80 forty        4.5 forty, 4.07 shuttle  (rest rivals)    4.65 forty                 34.5' power ball
                     32" vert                      250 bench     290 bench, 32" vert       25" vert       30" vert,
                     190 bench                   380 squat     405 squat                    4.58 shuttle   250 bench, 350 squat
compared to   Mettenberger              nobody who's                                    Drew Locke   Ty Storey...
                     Kessler                  made an impact
notable offers  Arkansas               Ark, ASU, Bama       zona, aub, bay, BC    Bma, aub      Bama, ASU, FSU      Ark, Kent, Ok St.
                                                  ND, Ok st, ole miss   GT, Iowa, lou, mizz,     Lou         UGA, MIA, stan, tenn
                                                  Tenn                    Neb, USC, OM, NC, WV                tex, ucla,
                                                                             UCLA

[ricepig]

                   Brandon Allen               Austin Allen   Rafe Peavey                Ty Storey        Ricky Town               Cole Kelley
HS ht/wt        6/2 195 (214 rivals)      6'2 217        6'2 205/212              6'3 216/210     6'3 206/6'4 210         6'7 230/235
rating             87.66 (3*, 4*)             89.5 (4*)     88.44 (4*,3*)            90.88 (4*)      96.02 (4*)                 85.36 (3*)
hs forty?         4.7 (rivals)                  4.77             4.5                           4.92
Hudl               6'1 175                      6'2 205          6'2 212                       6'3/216         6'3 202                     6'7 246
                     4.84 forty                  4.80 forty        4.5 forty, 4.07 shuttle  (rest rivals)    4.65 forty                 34.5' power ball
                     32" vert                      250 bench     290 bench, 32" vert       25" vert       30" vert,
                     190 bench                   380 squat     405 squat                    4.58 shuttle   250 bench, 350 squat
compared to   Mettenberger              nobody who's                                    Drew Locke   Ty Storey...
                     Kessler                  made an impact
notable offers  Arkansas               Ark, ASU, Bama       zona, aub, bay, BC    Bma, aub      Bama, ASU, FSU      Ark, Kent, Ok St.
                                                  ND, Ok st, ole miss   GT, Iowa, lou, mizz,     Lou         UGA, MIA, stan, tenn
                                                  Tenn                    Neb, USC, OM, NC, WV                tex, ucla,
                                                                             UCLA

wth is this?

[Cinco de Hogo]

Add it up,

AA hasn't been is a game with anything meaningful on the line is three years, even the Missouri game when BA could hardly get himself up off the ground.  Rafe Peavey and Ty Storey aren't in the coaches conversation for the most part.

Rick Town was given a scholarship despite the three we have on campus plus the one committ we have. 

We have four QB's with basically the same eligibility.

I can't see anything being a given unless AA is just handed the reins.  Some of you send confusing messages in that regard. 

Any opinion I have is mostly based on who will be the best option to help us win games, but I naturally have a bias towards one of the QB's.  I will never actually know what the difference is between them or what the coaches see. 

The problem I will have is if we don't win with the next man up and that man happens to be AA and we continue to see no opportunity for the backup my questioning of the situation will probably be a lot more severe than it has been to this point.

You absolutely have to have more than one QB ready to play and going into year four there are no excuses...none.

You can't stick you head in the sand with one QB. 

[Atlhogfan1]

Four seasons in and we will finally have a qb competition.  A sign of what this rebuild was.  The depth at qb and wr is remarkable especially when you consider our offensive focus and where we are at RB as of now.  QB comp is a good thing. Impossible to have an opinion without seeing some practices and scrimmages. 

[Pig in the Pokey]

What makes everyone so high on Ricky Town? The kid has done nothing to garner so much hype. He and Ty Storey were one spot away from each other on the recruiting rankings. Everyone wants to just  jump on that bandwagon why? Because he was at USC and had a good offer list? Well Ty Storey did as well. Let's wait before we just jump to conclusions to at least see how the kid does in the spring.

Rickey Town was the best QB at the Elite 11 except he had a bad 1st day. Still made the finals and made Trent Dilfer cry....

[bennyl08]

wth is this?

The answer to that may depend on the size of the screen you are viewing it on...

On a larger display, it is a comparison of 6 hog qb's . Their height and weight listed coming out of HS, what their rating was, forty time from rivals and/or physical attributes from rivals and hudl. Then rivals has the side bar of similar to "..." player, so I thought I'd include some of that. Finally, notable offers from other schools.