It seems like the top talent we do have in Arkansas ends up elsewhere

[bphi11ips]

Of this entire list, which hilariously includes Broderick Green who transferred back, there are about 4 "elite" athletes.

Can you count higher than 4?

[ricepig]

Was Whaley from Little Rock?

Of course not, what does that have to do with anything?

[hogsanity]

Can you count higher than 4?

Which ones do you consider "elite"

[bphi11ips]

Which ones do you consider "elite"

Which ones do you not?

[#1 STUNNA]

You can have all the relationships you want with AR HS coaches, but if the state is producing 2 or 3 SEC LEVEL players a year, those relationships don't do much good. What you want to do is act like Arkansas can play elite football with just Arkansas players, and that IS NEVER GOING TO BE THE CASE.

While arkansas doesnt produce elite SEC talent... it does produce more than 2-3 sec players a year..lol

[bphi11ips]

Of course not, what does that have to do with anything?

It means nothing to someone who cares nothing about athletes from central Arkansas.

[hogsanity]

Which ones do you not?

All of them except Houston, Williams, Ziemba.

[bphi11ips]

Which ones do you consider "elite"

Without naming them, at least half were considered "elite" when they were being recruited. But you can define "elite" any way you want to. You want to define it as 5 star?  There haven't been a handful from Arkansas as recruits in twenty years, but that ain't what we're talking about, is it?

[bphi11ips]

All of them except Houston, Williams, Ziemba.

I gave you too much credit. You are stupid.

[#1 STUNNA]

elite athletes or the ones that had good college careers? Alot of the kids out of high school were considered elite... but not all had successful careers...Their are way more than 4 elite athletes on that list.

[Athog]

Saban landed Altee Tenpenny from NLR, Josh Frazier from Springdale, and almost had akial byers from fayetteville until mizzou got him.
Ohio St has KJ Hill who is coming along. We even missed Ken Dixon from Strong who went to La Tech and is now playing for the ravens. Now we have had our share of top state talent coming here from 2006 to 2011. But idk what has happened. There is talent in this state. Arkansas just isn't landing them anymore like they used to.

Get a better list and something else to complain about since none of those have really panned out big but Strong!!

[IronHog]

How many backs were they supposed to sign in the 2016 class? They got Whaley ( who EVERYONE had ranked higher than Crockett ) and Hammonds.

But you do bring up one point, the state tends to produce players at about 3 positions, positions you can go just about anywhere and find as good or better. If the Hogs had lost out on 3 instate kids that went to other SEC schools and started at LB or CB or S, then yea I'd be mad.

Who turns out better RBs than Arkansas?

Waste of time and resources to bring in inferior 4* kids instead of finding linebackers.

[Dumb ole famrboy]

They're out there....just playing basketball


Go walk down the hall at pine bluff high sometime....stacked with big dudes that play nothing

You mean like Jermey Parnell?

[Hog Fan...DOH!]

Can you count higher than 4?

Uh.  Well.  Nope.  Hill, Dyer, Dixon and Crockett (maybe). 

Then again, maybe Kiehl Frazier would have beat out NFL talent Brandon Allen and lead Arkansas to the promised land.  But only if we had signed Mitch Hall to block, with Jesse Grandy catching passes. 

Where's the defense on that list?  Frazier?  I'll give you Norwood.  Byers?  Too early to tell.  The real question is... where's the defense?  How does Arkansas go out and get guys in here to play D?   

Let's go back another 25 years or so and see where Jack Crowe screwed up.

[bphi11ips]

Uh.  Well.  Nope.  Hill, Dyer, Dixon and Crockett (maybe). 

Then again, maybe Kiehl Frazier would have beat out NFL talent Brandon Allen and lead Arkansas to the promised land.  But only if we had signed Mitch Hall to block, with Jesse Grandy catching passes. 

Where's the defense on that list?  Frazier?  I'll give you Norwood.  Byers?  Too early to tell.  The real question is... where's the defense?  How does Arkansas go out and get guys in here to play D?   

Let's go back another 25 years or so and see where Jack Crowe screwed up.

Well.  +1 to Stunna on some excellent work.  With the exception of Cedric Houston, one of the most highly recruited backs in Arkansas history, the list goes back just 15 years. 

A good majority of the players on Stunna's list were Rivals 4 stars.  Some I'd never heard of were defensive players.  Almost all were from central or south Arkansas.

So I guess 4 star football players aren't elite.

[ErieHog]

Arkansas has had more luck with the Top 10 in state kids in past half decade than it has in a while.

Unfortunately, Arkansas HS football isn't producing much in the way of depth-- 10 recruits statewide at an SEC roster spot filling level is an exceptional year.

[Inhogswetrust]

We missed on plenty over the years.

And most were a bust.

[ricepig]

It means nothing to someone who cares nothing about athletes from central Arkansas.

Unlike you, I care about the athletes from all over Arkansas.

[hassettsportsman]

Our new AD will aide in the future of recruiting.  A good friend hired him for his first job at the UA.  Give the man a chance. 

[bphi11ips]

Unlike you, I care about the athletes from all over Arkansas.

Naw. Let them eat cake.

[bphi11ips]

And most were a bust.

Nonsense

[Sweet Feet]

KJ Hill was committed and flipped, and by "coming slong" I assume you mean just getting a few snaps. He's done ok this year.

He's Ohio State's leading reciever......

[texas tush hog]

This Ted Mack Amateur Hour of a coaching search has already cost us three committments. I'm sure more are on the way. That's why we are called Little old Arkisaw.

[texas tush hog]

Our new AD will aide in the future of recruiting.  A good friend hired him for his first job at the UA.  Give the man a chance. 

Derrick Gragg just oozes class. Got to know him when he was here before, and Coach Broyles loved him. That's good enough for me.

[IronHog]

Uh.  Well.  Nope.  Hill, Dyer, Dixon and Crockett (maybe). 

Then again, maybe Kiehl Frazier would have beat out NFL talent Brandon Allen and lead Arkansas to the promised land.  But only if we had signed Mitch Hall to block, with Jesse Grandy catching passes. 

Where's the defense on that list?  Frazier?  I'll give you Norwood.  Byers?  Too early to tell.  The real question is... where's the defense?  How does Arkansas go out and get guys in here to play D?   

Let's go back another 25 years or so and see where Jack Crowe screwed up.

The defense is in north LA.


Really no excuse Hogs don't try to own Monroe to Shreveport


Other than that recruit some second tier RBs from instate and convert them to D.

[HogHomer]

Other than that recruit some second tier RBs from instate and convert them to D.

Then you are never going to compete with Texas AM Ole Miss or Misstake if we are having to take second tier RBs from Arkansas and make them defensive players. They are second tier for a reason and putting them on the other side of the ball isn't going to change that.

Second tier in Arkansas is barely D-1 level let alone SEC

[Hog Fan...DOH!]

The defense is in north LA.


Really no excuse Hogs don't try to own Monroe to Shreveport


Other than that recruit some second tier RBs from instate and convert them to D.

JUCO pipeline, N. La, and E. Texas.  And until the 6'2-6'5 second tier basketball players in Little Rock start playing football again, keep Michael Smith on staff to recruit NOLA.

[woodhog14]

I think that the staff liked other options better and if they offered at all it was very late. I'd say Dixon was a very clear miss.

Then every SEC school "missed" on him along with every other P5 school. He had ZERO P5 offers.

[ricepig]

Naw. Let them eat cake.

What flavor?

[ricepig]

This Ted Mack Amateur Hour of a coaching search has already cost us three committments. I'm sure more are on the way. That's why we are called Little old Arkisaw.

Yeah, I bet they are dying to play for Chad Morris......

[factchecker]

He's Ohio State's leading reciever......

No he's not......

http://www.cfbstats.com/2017/team/518/receiving/index.html

[#1 STUNNA]

And most were a bust.

A bust one place might not be a bust at another. If anything it ads much needed depth. But who knows... unless we start winning we will always lose a couple every once in a while. Especially the ones that don't grow up as hog fans.

[bphi11ips]

No he's not......

http://www.cfbstats.com/2017/team/518/receiving/index.html

Guess that depends on how you define "leading".  Also depends on where you look:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/ohio-state/2017.html

Dude is leading Ohio State by 13 or 14 receptions depending on your source. Don't be dense to rush to the defense of your buds.

[factchecker]

Guess that depends on how you define "leading".  Also depends on where you look:

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/schools/ohio-state/2017.html

Dude is leading Ohio State by 13 or 14 receptions depending on your source. Don't be dense to rush to the defense of your buds.

Leads in receptions

2nd in yards

5th in TDs

[bphi11ips]

Leads in receptions

2nd in yards

5th in TDs

My source shows tied in yards at 519. Regardless, he leads OSU in receptions by a wide margin.

[IronHog]

You can have all the relationships you want with AR HS coaches, but if the state is producing 2 or 3 SEC LEVEL players a year, those relationships don't do much good. What you want to do is act like Arkansas can play elite football with just Arkansas players, and that IS NEVER GOING TO BE THE CASE.

It can with good coaching


The warren boys weren't any different.....just had good coaching


The kid down there now is elite though.....he's by far the best yet

[buldozer]

CBB was not interested in Arkansas recruits.... so he is gone. Thankfully. The next coach best pay attention to those instate athletes because they play much harder for the razorbacks than most of the out of state recruits. Not much razorback pride in the out of state recruits and it shows.

[Piggfoot]

Arkansas is a small state.. Words travel fast and reputations last s long time.
I am positive Keith Lee 6'10 basket ball player from West Memphis was arrested in Fayetteville while there on a visit. I don't think I dreamed that it was s long time ago.  After that we didn't get any East Arkansas players.

[#1 STUNNA]

It can with good coaching


The warren boys weren't any different.....just had good coaching


The kid down there now is elite though.....he's by far the best yet

We better find someone that can get Burks...

[IronHog]

We better find someone that can get Burks...

That one is different.  Elite athlete

That's Gus's next WildHog QB if he comes.....

The reckoning

[#1 STUNNA]

That one is different.  Elite athlete

That's Gus's next WildHog QB if he comes.....

The reckoning

He will be our next elite first round talent wide receiver.

[IronHog]

He will be our next elite first round talent wide receiver.

He looks awful good taking direct snaps. 😄

[#1 STUNNA]

He looks awful good taking direct snaps. 😄

He looks awful good taking direct snaps. 😄

Hes a D1 talent at many positions..lol.. legit qb if he played it.

[tbhogfan]

Saban landed Altee Tenpenny from NLR, Josh Frazier from Springdale, and almost had akial byers from fayetteville until mizzou got him.
Ohio St has KJ Hill who is coming along. We even missed Ken Dixon from Strong who went to La Tech and is now playing for the ravens. Now we have had our share of top state talent coming here from 2006 to 2011. But idk what has happened. There is talent in this state. Arkansas just isn't landing them anymore like they used to.

We never have, and never will, get 100% of instate talent.  Even if we did, it would not be enough to win in the SEC. 

NFL Hall of Famers who went to HS in Arkansas (goes back to the 30's to make my point):
Don Hutson,  Pine Bluff went to Alabama
Bobby Mitchell, Langston went to Illinois
Willie Roaf, Pine Bluff, went to La Tech
Cortez Kennedy, Riverdale, went to Juco then Miami

Dan Hampton, Jacksonville, went to Arkansas

[Philip Seaton]

You guys are looking at recruiting as the problem. The problem is the one area that should be producing 5 to 6, at least, high D-1 products per season is Little Rock. Half of the schools barely put a team together and when then they do, they don't have the resources to add more coaches, etc. Look at Arkansas' roster when they are winning, a lot of those key players were from Little Rock.

[Billy Bats]

I betcha if the Hogs won more they'd keep the in state guys as well as do better with out of state players.  I could be wrong though. 

[RaisinHog]

La tech has made a nice haul on small school south Arkansas kids ... But it's a whole different level than the SEC

[plumbhog]

Arkansas cant afford to lose any elite arkansas athletes... we dont recruit out of state good enough.

Harold James- Alabama
Cedrick Houston- Tennessee
Deangelo Williams- Memphis
Bret Smith- Tennessee
Roshaun Fellows- Tennessee
Matt Stoltz- Tennessee
Brett Helms- LSU
Slick Shelley- Tennessee
Ricardo Kemp- Tennessee
Bartley Webb- Notre Dame
Lee Ziemba- Auburn
Kodi Burns- Auburn
Broderick Green- USC
Derek Johnson- Texas
Jesse Grandy- Ole Miss
Michael Dyer- Auburn
Brishen Matthews- Ole Miss
Kiehl Frazier- Alabama
Mitch Hall- ole miss
Kenneth Dixon- everyone missed on him
Zac Brooks- Clemson
Altee Tenpenny- Alabama
Josh Frazier- Alabama
KJ Hill- Ohio State
Damarea Crockett- Mizzou
Akial Byers- Mizzou
Taylor Powell- Mizzou
BJ Thompson- Baylor
Tre Norwood- Oklahoma
Gerry Bohannon?
Ladarius Bishop? Miss State

While some of these didnt pan out at the schools they chose... they might have at Arkansas. Cant continue losing any talent to other SEC schools.

Tyrell Johnson - ASU, Minnesota?

[GringoHog]

The answer to Arkansas' problems do not lie in in state players. This thread just shows how thin the in state talent selection usually is. 3 players over how many years that actually have played much in the sec or anywhere else for that matter. Frazier had more Bama connections than he did Arkansas even though he lived here. When they let Crockett go they had RWIII and had Whaley committed.

More to the point, not one mention of a LB or cb or safety. No one is coming here to get those players because we produce precious little.

There was this 1 kid that UA refused to offer.....as a redshirt freshman at ULM, he broke up both passes in OT to Cobi Hamilton to seal the Warhawks win.  He was playing safety and the pass breakups happened in opposite corners of the endzone.  The kid was wearing #38 and was from Gould, AR.  Looked like a solid miss at an instate D-Back to mine untrained eyes.

[GringoHog]

Tyrell Johnson - ASU, Minnesota?

Ferbia Allen - Ole Miss
Mitch Lane - ULM
Deon Holliman - 1st Team MVFC - Missouri State
Will Hastings - Auburn


There are quite a few more I'm certain





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