Speed

[stahawg]

Who of our 2018 recruiting class runs a 4.5 or better?  Also, who of the redshirt freshmen, and I noticed a lengthy list on another thread, run 4.5 or better?  Just trying to get an idea of where the speed we need may come from.  Thanks and I will hang up and listen...........

[OneTuskOverTheLine™]

 I know that at least two of our walk on's run 4.5 or better, and one is a kicker...

[Pudgepork]

4.5 or better?

Of the new signees, Bishop, Foucha,Mason maybe Woods.  Parker and DG in the 4,5 area

[ballinhog]

I'm guessing Montaric Brown does

[Earth Hog Fan]

Here you go guys... 2018 Class 

Mike Woods       WR      4.43
Andrew Parker       LB      4.56
Miles Mason        S      4.4
Rakeem Boyd       RB      4.59
LaDarrius Bishop    CB      4.35
Dorian Gerald       DE      4.65

[ricepig]

I know that at least two of our walk on's run 4.5 or better, and one is a kicker...

You've laser or at least hand timed these individuals?

[Pudgepork]

Here you go guys... 2018 Class 

Mike Woods       WR      4.43
Andrew Parker       LB      4.56
Miles Mason        S      4.4
Rakeem Boyd       RB      4.59
LaDarrius Bishop    CB      4.35
Dorian Gerald       DE      4.65

This list left off Foucha.   From what lve heard, he can outrun every Hogs offensive lineman
running backwards.   That's not Tanner English fast but it's still fast

[liljo]

I don't know Foucha's 40-time, but he closes fast and is a violent player. He knocks the pewaddlin' hell out of people. I think we are recruiting to develop a real ball-hawking D. We are going to have a very hard hitting team. 

Looking at the defensive newcomers, I love the fact they all love heavy contact. Ain't no sissies in this bunch. Wolves and grizzlies.

[Earth Hog Fan]

This list left off Foucha.   From what lve heard, he can outrun every Hogs offensive lineman
running backwards.   That's not Tanner English fast but it's still fast

I honestly could not find anywhere that listed a 40 time for him, but you are right he has got to be fast or the coaching staff would not have went after him.

[stahawg]

Here you go guys... 2018 Class 

Mike Woods       WR      4.43
Andrew Parker       LB      4.56
Miles Mason        S      4.4
Rakeem Boyd       RB      4.59
LaDarrius Bishop    CB      4.35
Dorian Gerald       DE      4.65

Thanks!!! Couple these with the existing and redshirt speedsters and we're well in our way to catching up on our competition. 2019 class will be very interesting to watch as it cones together! Go Hogs!

[Pumbaa]

Thanks!!! Couple these with the existing and redshirt speedsters and we're well in our way to catching up on our competition. 2019 class will be very interesting to watch as it cones together! Go Hogs!

Watching '19 come together will be interesting. But I'm expecting us to load up in the trenches on both sides of the ball.

[Peter Porker]

It's awesome we signed a bunch of high schoolers that are faster than NFL players.

[ricepig]

It's awesome we signed a bunch of high schoolers that are faster than NFL players.

Well, NFL guys are older......

[Tick Hog]

Well, NFL guys are older......

And prove every time out there's a lot more to it then running a straight line. Jacksonville has a CB in his upper 30's that's a beast. Not a chance in hades he runs better than a 4.6 forty.

[Hawgzinbowlz]

With CCM relationships into Texas high school football we should progressively improve our speed...Several recruiting cycles could very well get us to the place where we have  the speed needed to compete at the upper level of the SECW.
We've heard this with some past coach's and I'm hopeful Coach Morris can make it happen.

" GO HOGS "

[HogFoo]

I believe speed will increase a lot in every recruit we get from this point forward. The coaches have said that very thing over and over.  I forget which one of our recruits has Track something in his Twitter name. I believe the days of seeing RBs outrunning our DBs are gone! Or our LBs looking like they are running in sand are gone too!  There will be no more dbag coaches like the T.tech coach making references to how slow we are!

[nwahogfan1]

40 times are a good measurement but Football fast with hips to make quick change of directions and football judgement are much better tools of seeing how well a player will play in college I think.    Coaches who watch a ton of video and games to determine how well they react to situations on the field is so important.  A very fast guy on defense who is constantly going the wrong way is not very effective or any player who continues to miss assignments no matter how good he looks or runs is not very effective.  I hope our signees are gamers. 

[Peter Porker]

Well, NFL guys are older......

Referring to those older guys at the NFL combine every year.

[Russ22]

Perhaps, Morris is smart enough to talk speed with the coaches of the world class track program. I would think those coaches might have some ideas on how to get more speed from guys already on the Hill.

[ricepig]

Referring to those older guys at the NFL combine every year.

The older you get, the slower you get, aren't you slower than you were at 18, I know I am......

[Peter Porker]

The older you get, the slower you get, aren't you slower than you were at 18, I know I am......

I was  faster, stronger, and  more athletic at 21-22 and I wasn't even training to impress NFL scouts at a combine.

Any reason why track and field athletes PR in their 20s and 30s and not in their teens?

I'll hang up and listen.

[ricepig]

I was  faster, stronger, and  more athletic at 21-22 and I wasn't even training to impress NFL scouts at a combine.

Any reason why track and field athletes PR in their 20s and 30s and not in their teens?

I'll hang up and listen.

It was a freaking joke.....saying NFL guys were older, thus like all of us as we get "older", less athletic. Relax, we all know you know every 40 time since the beginning of time.

[OneTuskOverTheLine™]

You've laser or at least hand timed these individuals?

I'd rather you prove me wrong than have to validate your question. Have you information that makes me a liar?

I couldn't leave well enough alone...
https://www.hudl.com/profile/2722618/Cameron-Vail
His time is listed as 4.47 on the site... You can ask Bphillips11 about his foootball smashing, sure tacking kick off specialist yourself...

[OneTuskOverTheLine™]

Bishop can flat out fly! Woods doesn't seem to run that well, but looks to be a really good receiver and has been highly touted by coaches, who expect him to play next year. Mason is a solid 4.4 guy that was said to also be good enough to play RB in college. Boyd is fast enough to outrun JUCO defenders for 98 yards per his highlight tape. While he's not the most fleet of foot, does has a good first step and gets up the field in a hurry. Nice to see, especially if we'll be running more zone concepts. Overall, not sure we really added much more speed than in previous classes. But it will be developed and utilized better than previous staff!

http://www.hudl.com/profile/3368621/Michael-Woods

If this is NOT running well please show me what is...

[ricepig]

I'd rather you prove me wrong than have to validate your question. Have you information that makes me a liar?

I couldn't leave well enough alone...
https://www.hudl.com/profile/2722618/Cameron-Vail
His time is listed as 4.47 on the site... You can ask Bphillips11 about his foootball smashing, sure tacking kick off specialist yourself...

Time listed, ohkkk.....

[OneTuskOverTheLine™]

Time listed, ohkkk.....

Prove it wrong smart ass...

[ricepig]

Prove it wrong smart ass...

Just as soon as you can verify that it is correct. I asked for a laser timed 40, or one you did,  I haven't seen a verified one.

[rljjr]

Sooooo, I understand it's offseason and we have to argue about something, but to say Woods doesn't run well is strange. I mean where does that come from? All I have to go on is his tape and he seems to run just fine to me (and yes, I know tapes are your best work).
Additionally, you can have a super quick 40 time just a-runnin' in shorts, but when you get geared up do you have football speed? That's really all I care about.

[ricepig]

Sooooo, I understand it's offseason and we have to argue about something, but to say Woods doesn't run well is strange. I mean where does that come from? All I have to go on is his tape and he seems to run just fine to me (and yes, I know tapes are your best work).
Additionally, you can have a super quick 40 time just a-runnin' in shorts, but when you get geared up do you have football speed? That's really all I care about.

40 times mean nothing, outside of the Combine, and a few high school events that are laser timed, they are highly subjective. All that matters is being fast enough to play well.

[liljo]

Woods is ALSO going to lay some people out downfield blocking, thus springing guys like TJ and Chase and Company. He is a VERY physical receiver. Gonna change some games.

Watch.

[zebradynasty]

I don't think Woods runs a 4.4 but if I understand the graphic on hudl he's been verified at darn near 4.8...at WR...not sure. He LOOKS faster than that on tape and he is physical. Put the pads on him at lets see if can make plays...4.8 hope he's a good route runner.

[bphi11ips]

All that matters is being fast enough to play well.

Another +1. Getting closer to OTR.

I've always thought there's an adrenaline factor as well. Not all players have it, but you can see it sometimes when it kicks in. Like Gafford's windmill against Vandy. 

[Tejano Jawg]

Woods is ALSO going to lay some people out downfield blocking, thus springing guys like TJ and Chase and Company. He is a VERY physical receiver. Gonna change some games.

Watch.

There's so much more to being a great WR than blazing speed. And blocking is one of them—last year we missed what Hatcher, Morgan and Cornelius did in their years on the Hill. (Hopefully we'll get more from Cornelius). In 2016, Rawleigh leading the SEC in rushing proved it...you don't do that unless you can turn a 4-5 yard run into a 20+ on occasion.

In looking some Woods film, he has the ability of catching balls with the DB practically in his pants.

[bphi11ips]

There's so much more to being a great WR than blazing speed. And blocking is one of them—last year we missed what Hatcher, Morgan and Cornelius did in their years on the Hill. (Hopefully we'll get more from Cornelius). In 2016, Rawleigh leading the SEC in rushing proved it...you don't do that unless you can turn a 4-5 yard run into a 20+ on occasion.

In looking some Woods film, he has the ability of catching balls with the DB practically in his pants.

Jerry Rice ran 4.71. He is the all-time leading receiver in the NFL with over 22,000 yards, 7,000 yards ahead of number 2.

[Bubba's Bruisers]

40 times mean nothing, outside of the Combine, and a few high school events that are laser timed, they are highly subjective. All that matters is being fast enough to play well.

Correct.  And subjective usually with the goal of exaggerating.  Sub 4.5 is rare. 

Jerry Rice ran 4.71. He is the all-time leading receiver in the NFL with over 22,000 yards, 7,000 yards ahead of number 2.

Yep, and I wouldn't be surprised if most NFL WR's run closer to 4.7 than they do to 4.4.  There's track speed, and then there's FB speed.  They ain't the same.

[Peter Porker]

I don't think Woods runs a 4.4 but if I understand the graphic on hudl he's been verified at darn near 4.8...at WR...not sure. He LOOKS faster than that on tape and he is physical. Put the pads on him at lets see if can make plays...4.8 hope he's a good route runner.

Like Keon and Drew?

[liljo]

There's so much more to being a great WR than blazing speed. And blocking is one of them—last year we missed what Hatcher, Morgan and Cornelius did in their years on the Hill. (Hopefully we'll get more from Cornelius). In 2016, Rawleigh leading the SEC in rushing proved it...you don't do that unless you can turn a 4-5 yard run into a 20+ on occasion.

In looking some Woods film, he has the ability of catching balls with the DB practically in his pants.

You bet'cha there is.

[FATHAWG08]

Hopefully we ain't chasing speed!!

[zebradynasty]

There's so much more to being a great WR than blazing speed. And blocking is one of them—last year we missed what Hatcher, Morgan and Cornelius did in their years on the Hill. (Hopefully we'll get more from Cornelius). In 2016, Rawleigh leading the SEC in rushing proved it...you don't do that unless you can turn a 4-5 yard run into a 20+ on occasion.

In looking some Woods film, he has the ability of catching balls with the DB practically in his pants.

Blocking is important but we don't need to burn scholarships on WR's just because they can block. We have several large physical WR's returning next year. If they got the "want to"...blocking at that position shouldn't be a problem.

[LA Football fan]

Blocking is important but we don't need to burn scholarships on WR's just because they can block. We have several large physical WR's returning next year. If they got the "want to"...blocking at that position shouldn't be a problem.

But if they don't then you need to bring in a guy that DOES have the want to.   Some guys are just better at blocking due to technique.   Sometimes it isn't the want to but the I can't seem to get it right deal where the guy just isn't a very good blocker.  It is much harder to block in space than in tight where the defenders are kind of bottled up.  I do believe we have some pretty good blockers out wide though, as evidenced by some of the crack back blocks we saw the last couple years.

[liljo]

Blocking is important but we don't need to burn scholarships on WR's just because they can block. We have several large physical WR's returning next year. If they got the "want to"...blocking at that position shouldn't be a problem.

Hey man, maybe you should call Coach Morris and advise him on who we don't need to burn scholarships on! You probably know a lot more about that than he does, right?

The fact this kid is a gamer, can catch it, get open, run routes, AND block (devastatingly, by the way), will be a tremendous asset to this offense. He was recruited for several reasons. Again, speed is great, no question. But good receivers have an edge built in due to the fact they KNOW where they are going, while the defender has to react.

This team needs an immediate speed infusion on DEFENSE, not offense. At least that appears to be this coaching staff's opinion, but I'm sure they are on Hogville even now researching this vast knowledge base for ideas.

Woods may or may not play at all for a while. Then again, there may be special plays in the works that take great advantage of some of his particular skillsets. Who knows? Oh, I can answer that one--THE COACHES.

[zebradynasty]

Hey man, maybe you should call Coach Morris and advise him on who we don't need to burn scholarships on! You probably know a lot more about that than he does, right?

The fact this kid is a gamer, can catch it, get open, run routes, AND block (devastatingly, by the way), will be a tremendous asset to this offense. He was recruited for several reasons. Again, speed is great, no question. But good receivers have an edge built in due to the fact they KNOW where they are going, while the defender has to react.

This team needs an immediate speed infusion on DEFENSE, not offense. At least that appears to be this coaching staff's opinion, but I'm sure they are on Hogville even now researching this vast knowledge base for ideas.

Woods may or may not play at all for a while. Then again, there may be special plays in the works that take great advantage of some of his particular skillsets. Who knows? Oh, I can answer that one--THE COACHES.

First, I think I said earlier to put the pads on him and see what happens! Second, I never questioned the coaches for bringing him in. At 4.8 he better be able to do more than block. That's just football sense!

NO TEAM in the SEC gives a scholly to a WR because he can block. So I don't need to talk to any coach because that's insane. Not like it requires a lot to block at WR, it doesn't require to pancake the DB! We have 4 WR's that are 6'-2" and over 210 lbs already. Not saying we don't have need more that size as long as he's good one.

[OneTuskOverTheLine™]

Just as soon as you can verify that it is correct. I asked for a laser timed 40, or one you did,  I haven't seen a verified one.

Who the hell are you to be able to set what truth is? There it is listed. PM bphillips and tell him his son's time isn't bonafide either while you're at it. While you're at it, why don't you invent another couple of ways you can be a tool? LOL..!

[OneTuskOverTheLine™]

40 times mean nothing, outside of the Combine, and a few high school events that are laser timed, they are highly subjective. All that matters is being fast enough to play well.

Wish I had seen this before my last reply, but I stand by my response. You were being a tool.

[liljo]

First, I think I said earlier to put the pads on him and see what happens! Second, I never questioned the coaches for bringing him in. At 4.8 he better be able to do more than block. That's just football sense!

NO TEAM in the SEC gives a scholly to a WR because he can block. So I don't need to talk to any coach because that's insane. Not like it requires a lot to block at WR, it doesn't require to pancake the DB! We have 4 WR's that are 6'-2" and over 210 lbs already. Not saying we don't have need more that size as long as he's good one.

Thanks for clearin' me up, and I applauded you for it. You exactly right.

[OneTuskOverTheLine™]

Blocking is important but we don't need to burn scholarships on WR's just because they can block. We have several large physical WR's returning next year. If they got the "want to"...blocking at that position shouldn't be a problem.

As soon as you see one burned for that reason let me know...

[ricepig]

Who the hell are you to be able to set what truth is? There it is listed. PM bphillips and tell him his son's time isn't bonafide either while you're at it. While you're at it, why don't you invent another couple of ways you can be a tool? LOL..!

Because I know recruiting, if Mr. Phillips has a laser timed record of his son, then I'll believe him. My kids played, and I know all about reporting a 40 time. The only true one is laser timed with the start and finish. Again, it's all relative, everyone runs what they run, be it 4.5 or 4.7.

[bphi11ips]

Who the hell are you to be able to set what truth is? There it is listed. PM bphillips and tell him his son's time isn't bonafide either while you're at it. While you're at it, why don't you invent another couple of ways you can be a tool? LOL..!

It's all good. Rice is correct, I think, when he says hand held times can be unreliable. If you've ever tried to time a 40 with a stopwatch you know it's hard to start and stop every sprint the same way every time. That doesn't make it subjective, but it does make it less consistent than a laser timed sprint. Hand held 40 times can be slow just like they can be fast.

The more handheld times you have, the more likely it is they're accurate if they are consistent. Matthew has been timed a bunch by his coaches and at camps as a DB, all by hand as far as I know. He has been consistently timed around 4.5. Whether that translates to something else by laser is anyone's guess.

I'm like some here who say it's most important to be fast enough to play your position well. Matthew will be kicking at Arkansas, but if you want to see his speed at RB or corner, click below and scroll down to the clip dated October 15, 2016. That clip includes highlights about 2/3 through his junior year when he was All-Region at CB.

http://www.hudl.com/profile/5300349/Matthew-Phillips

[TexHog188]

Chavis said something to the effect that if a fast player doesn't know where to go, then he just gets out of position faster. In that case it is just as good to have a smart player that is well coached and knows how to position himself to stay in the play and make a tackle. Still, better yet to have fast players that are well coached.

[liljo]

It's all good. Rice is correct, I think, when he says hand held times can be unreliable. If you've ever tried to time a 40 with a stopwatch you know it's hard to start and stop every sprint the same way every time. That doesn't make it subjective, but it does make it less consistent than a laser timed sprint. Hand held 40 times can be slow just like they can be fast.

The more handheld times you have, the more likely it is they're accurate if they are consistent. Matthew has been timed a bunch by his coaches and at camps as a DB, all by hand as far as I know. He has been consistently timed around 4.5. Whether that translates to something else by laser is anyone's guess.

I'm like some here who say it's most important to be fast enough to play your position well. Matthew will be kicking at Arkansas, but if you want to see his speed at RB or corner, click below and scroll down to the clip dated October 15, 2016. That clip includes highlights about 2/3 through his junior year when he was All-Region at CB.

http://www.hudl.com/profile/5300349/Matthew-Phillips

You, sir, have great reason to be very proud of that young man. Go Matthew!