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WilsonHog

Has that ever been done? Maybe by Bear Bryant or Nick Saban?

Eighteen SEC wins in a row.

That's how many Bret Bielema would have to notch in order to match Houston Nutt's decidedly pedestrian, very mediocre, conference winning percentage of .525.

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He won't get that opportunity...or those opportunities.

 

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If Bret found a way to win 18 sec games in a row that would change every persons mind about him being here.
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Quote from: HiggiePiggy on October 16, 2017, 07:17:59 pm
If Bret found a way to win 18 sec games in a row that would change every persons mind about him being here.
I don't think you have to worry about that happening.
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Quote from: PorkSoda on October 16, 2017, 07:25:17 pm
I don't think you have to worry about that happening.

Nope. Not worried at all.  Just hoping that this is the last season for him. 
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Quote from: HiggiePiggy on October 16, 2017, 07:17:59 pm
If Bret found a way to win 18 sec games in a row that would change every persons mind about him being here.
I would agree but it's a pipe dream.
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Quote from: WilsonHog on October 16, 2017, 07:04:13 pm
Has that ever been done? Maybe by Bear Bryant or Nick Saban?

Eighteen SEC wins in a row.

That's how many Bret Bielema would have to notch in order to match Houston Nutt's decidedly pedestrian, very mediocre, conference winning percentage of .525.

Well, Bama and Saban are on a current 21 SEC game win streak.

Check out Bama's streaks since Saban joined the Tide.

Bama is now 47 -5 in the SEC over the last 7 seasons.
They currently have a 21 game SEC winning streak.
Those 5 loses they had were by a combined TOTAL of 26 points. This included:
9-6 loss to LSU in 2011 (LSU was #1) 
Kick Six to the Barners in 2013
2015 a 7 point loss to Ole Miss when they turned the ball over 5 times
Bama has a least a 2 game winning streak or more against everyone in the SEC but USCe because they haven't played each other since 2010.

Bama vs. the SEC last 11 years win streak (eleven year record):

vs. Arkansas 11 game win streak (last eleven years 11-0)
vs. Tennessee 10 game win streak (10-0)
vs. State 9 game win streak (9-1)
vs. LSU 6 game win streak (8-3) (Played twice in 2011, once for NC)
vs. Florida 5 game win streak (5-1)
vs. A&M 5 game win streak (5-1)
vs. Kentucky 4 game win streak (4-0)
vs. Georgia 3 game win streak (3-1)
vs. Auburn 3 game win streak (7-3)
vs. Vandy 3 game win streak (3-0)
vs. Missouri 2 game win streak (2-0)
vs. Ole Miss 2 game win streak (9-2)
vs. South Carolina 1 game losing streak (1-1) (Haven't played since 2010)

orvillesghost

There is no coach alive who could win 18 consecutive SEC games at Arkansas


our longest win streak ever is 22 and that was 50 plus years ago...

jgphillips3

Wow.  That my friends is a bit of information that puts the level of incompetence of the current coach in a whole new perspective.  Just wow...

PygmalionEffect2

QuoteEighteen SEC wins in a row.

That's how many Bret Bielema would have to notch in order to match Houston Nutt's decidedly pedestrian, very mediocre, conference winning percentage of .525.


While we're on the topic of bizarre and pathetic Bielema performance statistics;

I estimate Bielema will make around $25,000,000 in salary alone while at Arkansas if he's fired at the end of the year and gets his full buyout.

Giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he somehow manages to win 2-3 conference games this year,

we paid him around $2,000,000 per SEC win.

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You should sticky your post Wilson.  Anyone who thinks we are mediocre needs to read that.  We would have to have the two best seasons in school history to even be mediocre under CBB.  When MOTHO is kicking your butt that bad...man...

The OTR

Quote from: orvillesghost on October 16, 2017, 08:17:00 pm
There is no coach alive who could win 18 consecutive SEC games at Arkansas


our longest win streak ever is 22 and that was 50 plus years ago...

I think, not sure mind you, that you may be missing the point Wilson is trying to make ever so slightly.

 

The OTR

So what would his record have to be over the next several years if he stayed the same amount of years as Nutt end up with the same record?  I am not smart enough to do that high level math and research.  I figure someone on here is smart enough

PonderinHog

Quote from: Pillowhead Jackson on October 16, 2017, 08:35:37 pm
So what would his record have to be over the next several years if he stayed the same amount of years as Nutt end up with the same record?  I am not smart enough to do that high level math and research.  I figure someone on here is smart enough
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Quote from: Pillowhead Jackson on October 16, 2017, 08:35:37 pm
So what would his record have to be over the next several years if he stayed the same amount of years as Nutt end up with the same record?  I am not smart enough to do that high level math and research.  I figure someone on here is smart enough

In conference play, 32-13 (.711).

Bielema is currently 10-25, and for his career at Arkansas Nutt was 42-38.

ricepig

Quote from: PonderinHog on October 16, 2017, 08:53:05 pm
You think he believes me?

I think he's dumb enough to believe anything......

orvillesghost

no..i agree with his point..I have as much chance of flying to the moon by flapping my arms as BB would have of mounting that kind of winning streak...

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Spurrier went 34-2 in SEC games over one four year stretch at Florida.  I know that has little to do with the point of this thread, but it's impressive nonetheless.

jgphillips3

Quote from: WilsonHog on October 16, 2017, 08:55:05 pm
In conference play, 32-13 (.711).

Bielema is currently 10-25, and for his career at Arkansas Nutt was 42-38.

So, basically 2 wins this year and then go 6-2 for 5 straight years.

 

TomasPistola

Quote from: WilsonHog on October 16, 2017, 07:04:13 pm
Has that ever been done? Maybe by Bear Bryant or Nick Saban?

Eighteen SEC wins in a row.

That's how many Bret Bielema would have to notch in order to match Houston Nutt's decidedly pedestrian, very mediocre, conference winning percentage of .525.

I get your point, but I refuse to compare him to Nutt. The SEC wasn't even close to as strong during Nutt's tenure. Especially the west. But Bielema's record is still pretty awful.
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Quote from: WilsonHog on October 16, 2017, 07:04:13 pm
Has that ever been done? Maybe by Bear Bryant or Nick Saban?

Eighteen SEC wins in a row.

That's how many Bret Bielema would have to notch in order to match Houston Nutt's decidedly pedestrian, very mediocre, conference winning percentage of .525.
SEC West wasn't as good in Nutt's years as it has been since 2007. So not a fair comparison. Yet, 10-24 is terrible, horrible and unforgivable. And that is why Bielema's last year as Arkansas' head football coach is 2017.
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Quote from: WilsonHog on October 16, 2017, 07:04:13 pm
Has that ever been done? Maybe by Bear Bryant or Nick Saban?

Eighteen SEC wins in a row.

That's how many Bret Bielema would have to notch in order to match Houston Nutt's decidedly pedestrian, very mediocre, conference winning percentage of .525.
Just because Petrino did better doesn't mean that Nutt was 'decidedly pedestrian, very mediocre...'
How can one watch an accomplished coach like Bielema flounder and still think that?

The Arkansas job is not easy. It says here going 42-38 in SEC play over 10 years is actually pretty good.

Just because Petrino was doing better doesn't change things. He was a great mind and we were darn lucky to get him.

Bielema < Nutt < Petrino

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Quote from: TomasPistola on October 16, 2017, 10:35:14 pm
I get your point, but I refuse to compare him to Nutt. The SEC wasn't even close to as strong during Nutt's tenure. Especially the west. But Bielema's record is still pretty awful.

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Quote from: HiggiePiggy on October 16, 2017, 07:17:59 pm
If Bret found a way to win 18 sec games in a row that would change every persons mind about him being here.

What have we seen to even remotely believe this might happen?

The NewEra

I heard a funny one liner yesterday on one of the call in shows.  I think it was Forest City Joe.

"The last five years under Bielema have made Houston Nutt look like Bear Bryant"

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Quote from: WilsonHog on October 16, 2017, 07:04:13 pm
Has that ever been done? Maybe by Bear Bryant or Nick Saban?

Eighteen SEC wins in a row.

That's how many Bret Bielema would have to notch in order to match Houston Nutt's decidedly pedestrian, very mediocre, conference winning percentage of .525.
Not a snowballs chance.  Saban has lost a total of 19 SEC games in 11 years at Alabama.  6 of those were in his very first season there.

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Quote from: WilsonHog on October 16, 2017, 07:04:13 pm
Has that ever been done? Maybe by Bear Bryant or Nick Saban?

Eighteen SEC wins in a row.

That's how many Bret Bielema would have to notch in order to match Houston Nutt's decidedly pedestrian, very mediocre, conference winning percentage of .525.

So you're advocating getting out of the SEC. I knew you would eventually see the light.  ;)

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Quote from: TomasPistola on October 16, 2017, 10:35:14 pm
I get your point, but I refuse to compare him to Nutt. The SEC wasn't even close to as strong during Nutt's tenure. Especially the west. But Bielema's record is still pretty awful.

That's bull crap. The SEC isn't has strong now as it was back then. Currently the SEC West has only one team in the top 20, Bama.

10 years ago you had 5 national championship coaches in the conference, that's not including Tubberville and Richt.  This is the lowest the conference has been in twenty years and CBB can't get it done. Schools from the bayou, to the plains, swamp, and rocky top want to be rid of their coach.  Unfortunately when it comes to coaches we have the worst of the worst.

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Razor1997

Quote from: WilsonHog on October 16, 2017, 08:55:05 pm
In conference play, 32-13 (.711).

Bielema is currently 10-25, and for his career at Arkansas Nutt was 42-38.

So he has zero chance of catching Nutt w/r/t wins or winning percentage, but if Bert somehow gets a sixth year he has a decent chance of catching Nutt in the loss column.

PorkRinds

The SEC was a different animal during the Nutt years. Plus Dmac.

jgphillips3

Quote from: PorkRinds on October 17, 2017, 08:31:19 am
The SEC was a different animal during the Nutt years. Plus Dmac.

Petrino coached during the height of the SEC and did just fine.  Of course, it isn't so much that the SEC was so much worse when HDN was coach as it was that the SEC West and East were flip flopped in his time so he had the same breaks an Eastern division coach has today.

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Quote from: TomasPistola on October 16, 2017, 10:35:14 pm
I get your point, but I refuse to compare him to Nutt. The SEC wasn't even close to as strong during Nutt's tenure. Especially the west. But Bielema's record is still pretty awful.

Awful is right. I bet Vandy and Kentucky has at least a close record to Beliema's, during the years he has been at Arkansas. That 3 and 9 season was the worst Hog coaching I've ever seen.
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Quote from: Hogwild on October 17, 2017, 08:00:23 am
That's bull crap. The SEC isn't has strong now as it was back then. Currently the SEC West has only one team in the top 20, Bama.

10 years ago you had 5 national championship coaches in the conference, that's not including Tubberville and Richt.  This is the lowest the conference has been in twenty years and CBB can't get it done. Schools from the bayou, to the plains, swamp, and rocky top want to be rid of their coach.  Unfortunately when it comes to coaches we have the worst of the worst.
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Quote from: The NewEra on October 17, 2017, 07:29:40 am
I heard a funny one liner yesterday on one of the call in shows.  I think it was Forest City Joe.

"The last five years under Bielema have made Houston Nutt look like Bear Bryant"
Isn't it amazing how FCJ can make such salient points about football and lose all sense when it comes to basketball and his hero Mike Anderson?

This is the same guy who called in last year and said Anderson didn't even have to win a game to keep his support. Yet he's an expert on what needs to happen in other sports.

Some people are just....uncommon.

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Quote from: HoginMemphis on October 16, 2017, 11:17:38 pm
SEC West wasn't as good in Nutt's years as it has been since 2007. So not a fair comparison. Yet, 10-24 is terrible, horrible and unforgivable. And that is why Bielema's last year as Arkansas' head football coach is 2017.

True. I think you can make the argument that Nutt lost more games he should have won than Bielema has—can you say "Kentucky"?—so any way you twist the hypothetical, the gap between Nutt and Bielema should be even bigger. And that's not good.
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HognitiveDissonance

Quote from: Redhogs on October 17, 2017, 09:04:30 am
All correct.
The SEC, top to bottom, is about the same, tough league back then as it is now.
Just re-arrange divisions and teams which may be hot at the time. It's still the same tough league when you add it all up.

Saban was not at Bama...but he was at LSU and winning a championship there too.
Auburn had a 13-0 season in 2004.
Miss St was very tough in the late 90s.
The East teams were better then. Especially Tennessee.

I just don't see how people can claim the conference as a whole was radically different then vs now.

HognotinMemphis

Quote from: HognitiveDissonance on October 17, 2017, 10:09:48 am
The SEC, top to bottom, is about the same, tough league back then as it is now.
Just re-arrange divisions and teams which may be hot at the time. It's still the same tough league when you add it all up.

Saban was not at Bama...but he was at LSU and winning a championship there too.
Auburn had a 13-0 season in 2004.
Miss St was very tough in the late 90s.
The East teams were better then. Especially Tennessee.

I just don't see how people can claim the conference as a whole was radically different then vs now.
Are they claiming this? As for me, I think the West is much more difficult now vs Nutt years. And the West teams were 3/4's of our schedule, then and now. So Nutt should have won more games than he did due to playing in the West, which was far weaker than the East then. East teams won the SECCG just about every year Nutt was Ark's head coach.
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Quote from: HognitiveDissonance on October 17, 2017, 12:11:54 am
Just because Petrino did better doesn't mean that Nutt was 'decidedly pedestrian, very mediocre...'
How can one watch an accomplished coach like Bielema flounder and still think that?

The Arkansas job is not easy. It says here going 42-38 in SEC play over 10 years is actually pretty good.

Just because Petrino was doing better doesn't change things. He was a great mind and we were darn lucky to get him.

Bielema < Nutt < Petrino

Bobby Petrino was 17-15 over his 4 year tenure as Boss Hog. That's a 53.1% winning percentage. Would he have been able to sustain that number over 10 years?... We'll never get to know. It would have been tough. Nutt's accomplishments with 3 SEC West titles and his 52.5 SEC mark over 10 years are all the more impressive at this turn in the road we find ourselves with Bret.
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Quote from: Hogwild on October 17, 2017, 08:00:23 am
That's bull crap. The SEC isn't has strong now as it was back then. Currently the SEC West has only one team in the top 20, Bama.

10 years ago you had 5 national championship coaches in the conference, that's not including Tubberville and Richt.  This is the lowest the conference has been in twenty years and CBB can't get it done. Schools from the bayou, to the plains, swamp, and rocky top want to be rid of their coach.  Unfortunately when it comes to coaches we have the worst of the worst.
This year the SEC is down.  Last year it was a little down as well.  Other than that, it's been as rough or tougher. 

Hogwild

Quote from: HoginMemphis on October 17, 2017, 10:59:03 am
Are they claiming this? As for me, I think the West is much more difficult now vs Nutt years. And the West teams were 3/4's of our schedule, then and now. So Nutt should have won more games than he did due to playing in the West, which was far weaker than the East then. East teams won the SECCG just about every year Nutt was Ark's head coach.

Based on what?  Bama?

LSU won two national titles when Nutt was here.  They have regressed from a top 5 team to a top 25 team.
Auburn went undfeated in '04 and Tubberville's record was 80-36 while Nutt was here, better than Gus'
Ole Miss under Tubberville and Cutcliff had a better conference records than Freeze and Luke have had while CBB been here
Miss. State has been better recently than when Nutt was here, although State did win the SEC West in '98
Obviously Arkansas has taken a major step back when you compare the two records of Nutt & CBB.



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Quote from: Razorback_2007 on October 17, 2017, 08:00:53 pm

Bobby Petrino was 17-15 over his 4 year tenure as Boss Hog. That's a 53.1% winning percentage. Would he have been able to sustain that number over 10 years?... We'll never get to know. It would have been tough. Nutt's accomplishments with 3 SEC West titles and his 52.5 SEC mark over 10 years are all the more impressive at this turn in the road we find ourselves with Bret.

Agreed. The longer this goes on with Bielema the more I'm beginning to realize Houston Nutt was a lot better of a coach than I gave him credit for at the time.

That's probably not saying much, but in comparison with Bielema? Our teams were overall COACHED a hell of a lot better back then. Plain and simple Houston Nutt and his staff were better coaches than what we have seen with Bielema.
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