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People should take notice, we've had a better showing than Tenner

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Rayzback

October 15, 2016, 05:46:13 pm #50
And yet Tennessee will probably still be the East champs.
Mellow is the man who knows what he's been missin

Redhogs

October 15, 2016, 05:46:52 pm #51
Quote from: AirForceHog on October 15, 2016, 05:41:27 pm
The Hogs D last week isn't looking so bad.
Kidding right?
Will I live long enough to see us win again? Will any of us?
 

ErieHog

October 15, 2016, 05:47:45 pm #52
Quote from: Redhogs on October 15, 2016, 05:46:52 pm
Kidding right?

A supposedly Top 10 team at home, isn't faring any better against them-- really, this would be a 50 point game without a couple of boneheaded Bama turnovers.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

a0ashle

October 15, 2016, 05:49:11 pm #53
Quote from: RyanMallettsEgo on October 15, 2016, 05:36:12 pm
Why do threads comparing us to Tennessee keep popping up? Who cares?

Do some of you need moral victories that badly to somehow justify last weekend's performance?

You must be new to college football. You see comparisons happen because fans all over the country are trying to figure out where they stand against the 100+ teams they don't play. You won't change that, no matter how much you come on a message board and act like a tough guy who is above making comparisons.

AirForceHog

October 15, 2016, 05:49:18 pm #54
Quote from: Redhogs on October 15, 2016, 05:46:52 pm
Kidding right?


No. I'm not. See Tennessee as a reference
If it turns, burns, banks or rolls, crew chiefs made it happen.

TNRazorbacker

October 15, 2016, 05:49:30 pm #55
Our offense was much more effective. TN has gone nowhere.

Youngsta71701

October 15, 2016, 05:49:39 pm #56
Alabama= They are who we thought they were! In my Dennis Green voice... ;D
"The more things change the more they stay the same"

Pig In The City

October 15, 2016, 05:49:43 pm #57
After tonight we will know how good or bad we are. I believe we are a good team despite our obvious flaws. We can't compete with Bama but we can anyone else.

RME

October 15, 2016, 05:50:33 pm #58
Quote from: ErieHog on October 15, 2016, 05:46:10 pm
Because it offers this thing called  'perspective',  and places where we are on a more rational continuity than
"OH NOES WE SUCK!"

Does it? What's the perspective now that Clemson barely beat NC State and Louisville beat Duke by 10? What happens when those teams go out next week and win their games by 60 and everyone forgets their performances from this weekend?

College football is a week by week game. The ebbs and flows are real. If we played Tennessee, or if they were in the West, I'd be more open to seeing it from y'all's perspective. But we don't, and they aren't, so...who cares?

Youngsta71701

October 15, 2016, 05:50:47 pm #59
Quote from: AirForceHog on October 15, 2016, 05:41:27 pm
The Hogs D last week isn't looking so bad.
No matter what they are doing to Tennessee our defense still looked horrible! No excuses...
"The more things change the more they stay the same"

RME

October 15, 2016, 05:50:53 pm #60
Quote from: a0ashle on October 15, 2016, 05:49:11 pm
You must be new to college football. You see comparisons happen because fans all over the country are trying to figure out where they stand against the 100+ teams they don't play. You won't change that, no matter how much you come on a message board and act like a tough guy who is above making comparisons.

Oh Jesus.

AirForceHog

October 15, 2016, 05:51:05 pm #61
Quote from: RyanMallettsEgo on October 15, 2016, 05:36:12 pm
Why do threads comparing us to Tennessee keep popping up? Who cares?

Do some of you need moral victories that badly to somehow justify last weekend's performance?


Do you need an undefeated season to justify your impossible standard? 4-2 only losses to two very good teams
If it turns, burns, banks or rolls, crew chiefs made it happen.

Pig In The City

October 15, 2016, 05:51:12 pm #62
Quote from: TNRazorbacker on October 15, 2016, 05:49:30 pm
Our offense was much more effective. TN has gone nowhere.
Our QB is much better.
 

Youngsta71701

October 15, 2016, 05:52:06 pm #63
Quote from: Pig In The City on October 15, 2016, 05:51:12 pm
Our QB is much better.
Our receivers too.
"The more things change the more they stay the same"

jlhogfan

October 15, 2016, 05:53:40 pm #64
Who still thinks Saban was an idiot for changing offenses and going with Kiffin?

RME

October 15, 2016, 05:53:54 pm #65
Quote from: AirForceHog on October 15, 2016, 05:51:05 pm


I didn't say a word about us not losing to good teams. We've lost to the best two teams in the conference, and two of the best teams in the country.

If I wanted to wait and have a more legitimate perspective on us, I'd wait until after tonight when we play Ole Miss.

You know, because we all play each other and we'd have a body of work to view (OM vs. Bama, Bama vs. Ark, OM vs. Ark). Tennessee in this equation is an outlier.

a0ashle

October 15, 2016, 05:55:02 pm #66
Quote from: RyanMallettsEgo on October 15, 2016, 05:50:33 pm
Does it? What's the perspective now that Clemson barely beat NC State and Louisville beat Duke by 10? What happens when those teams go out next week and win their games by 60 and everyone forgets their performances from this weekend?

College football is a week by week game. The ebbs and flows are real. If we played Tennessee, or if they were in the West, I'd be more open to seeing it from y'all's perspective. But we don't, and they aren't, so...who cares?

Did you forget that you interjected yourself into a thread of people who care?

ErieHog

October 15, 2016, 05:55:03 pm #67
Quote from: Youngsta71701 on October 15, 2016, 05:50:47 pm
No matter what they are doing to Tennessee our defense still looked horrible! No excuses...

When a team starts doing that week in and week out to what are supposed to be some of the better defenses in the league, yeah,  it does explain a ton.   


It isn't nearly so much about you looking bad, when the other guy is really, really, really good.   
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

deserthog

October 15, 2016, 05:55:51 pm #68
Quote from: MojaveJoe on October 15, 2016, 05:22:18 pm
I feel sorry for Alabama fans. It must get boring being in all these blowouts - each of our games is an adventure!

/sarcasm
touchet!

Redhogs

October 15, 2016, 05:56:52 pm #69
Quote from: fourpeat on October 15, 2016, 05:46:10 pm
Bama is treating them like a boa constrictor on a rat!  It ain't pretty either!  Our Hogs stayed with this 5-4 star team a lot longer than the #9 Vols!  Any thoughts?
Yea...pure stupidity.
Will I live long enough to see us win again? Will any of us?

RME

October 15, 2016, 05:56:53 pm #70
Quote from: a0ashle on October 15, 2016, 05:55:02 pm
Did you forget that you interjected yourself into a thread of people who care?

Well, as you noted, it is a message board where I can come on and act like a tough guy...

BigE_23

October 15, 2016, 05:57:16 pm #71
Quote from: Arazorbackguy1 on October 15, 2016, 05:10:11 pm
When you allow 49 points, you typically allow less plays.

We "allowed" 35. They scored 14 on defense.

ErieHog

October 15, 2016, 05:58:21 pm #72
Quote from: RyanMallettsEgo on October 15, 2016, 05:50:33 pm
Does it? What's the perspective now that Clemson barely beat NC State and Louisville beat Duke by 10? What happens when those teams go out next week and win their games by 60 and everyone forgets their performances from this weekend?

College football is a week by week game. The ebbs and flows are real. If we played Tennessee, or if they were in the West, I'd be more open to seeing it from y'all's perspective. But we don't, and they aren't, so...who cares?

It means there is a *reasonable* variance level on returns.    When a Top 10 home team gets *crushed*-- and I do mean crushed, not pulling out a close win like the two you mentioned, it says a bunch more than just a one week struggle.

This isn't unusual for Alabama.   Those performances are unusual for Louisville/Clemson, though Clemson's inconsistent performance all year has argued they're probably a reach as the #3 team overall.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

RME

October 15, 2016, 06:01:48 pm #73
Quote from: ErieHog on October 15, 2016, 05:58:21 pm
It means there is a *reasonable* variance level on returns.    When a Top 10 home team gets *crushed*-- and I do mean crushed, not pulling out a close win like the two you mentioned, it says a bunch more than just a one week struggle.

This isn't unusual for Alabama.   Tose performances are unusual for Louisville/Clemson, though Clemson's inconsistent performance all year has argued they're probably a reach as the #3 team overall.

I agree with you there. I think Arkansas is leaps and bounds better than this Tennessee team. Maybe that's why the comparisons bug me, because Tennessee could very well be a 5-loss team right now.

Yes, I know I just said how teams can vary from week to week. But Tennessee isn't good, and haven't been all year. So trying to justify our performance against Bama by saying "well at least we did x and y while Tennessee is doing z" just doesn't make sense, because I think Arkansas is 5x the team UT is this year.
 

MojaveJoe

October 15, 2016, 06:02:14 pm #74
Quote from: luke hawg on October 15, 2016, 05:44:23 pm
Saban is good but there is a reason he didn't make it at the next level. He isn't so wonderful when the playing field is level. The talent gap he has now doesn't require a lot of coaching.

In Saban's case I think he hated the NFL as much as his players hated him. A style of coaching that is hard on players doesn't always fly in the NFL, especially in today's big money NFL.

To be fair, he has a pretty big talent gap with everyone except tOSU

jgphillips3

October 15, 2016, 06:03:42 pm #75
Based upon what I have seen, we are definitely one of the best 5 teams in the conference.  If we shore up our deficits, maybe the third best team.  Bama is going to skull freak A&M next way.  Nobody is going to touch them until the semis...if then.

ErieHog

October 15, 2016, 06:04:09 pm #76
Quote from: RyanMallettsEgo on October 15, 2016, 06:01:48 pm
I agree with you there. I think Arkansas is leaps and bounds better than this Tennessee team. Maybe that's why the comparisons bug me, because Tennessee could very well be a 5-loss team right now.

Yes, I know I just said how teams can vary from week to week. But Tennessee isn't good, and haven't been all year. So trying to justify our performance against Bama by saying "well at least we did x and y while Tennessee is doing z" just doesn't make sense, because I think Arkansas is 5x the team UT is this year.

No team is '5x the team' as any other.   Even  Bama vs the worst team in FBS football.

The margins between teams are razor thin; the gaps are tiny.   Alabama just makes them look remarkably large, at times.
No cause, ever, in the history of all mankind, has produced more cold-blooded tyrants, more slaughtered innocents, and more orphans than socialism with power. It surpassed, exponentially, all other systems of production in turning out the dead. The bodies are all around us. And here is the problem: No one talks about them. No one honors them. No one does penance for them. No one has committed suicide for having been an apologist for those who did this to them. No one pays for them. No one is hunted down to account for them. It is exactly what Solzhenitsyn foresaw in The Gulag Archipelago: "No, no one would have to answer. No one would be looked into." Until that happens, there is no "after socialism."

str8volfan

October 15, 2016, 07:06:10 pm #77
if I may chime in on this discussion....

I am a firm believer that every team is different week to week. I was at the Aggie game last week and the team today is not what I saw last week. Did alot of that have to do with the machine that is Bama? I think Arkansas is a very good team, you guys are 5-2 with losses from arguably the two best teams in the SEC. Are you better than Tennessee? Maybe, maybe not. I will say this, I will be an Arkansas fan the night they play Florida. I wish you the best from here on out. Have a great night and hopefully a better tomorrow. GBO.
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