All-time Razorback team

[Big Nasty 34]

Moncrief shut Larry Bird down when he started guarding him in the ISU game.

Why on earth didn't we have Moncrief on him the whole night??

[PonderinHog]

Why on earth didn't we have Moncrief on him the whole night??

Man, that was a long time ago and don't remember who was guarding him to begin with.  Foul trouble, perhaps?  Was it Zahn?

Why is Scotty Hastings receiving no love in this thread?

[ErieHog]

Hood, best rebounder ever, what a joke.  Moncrief hands down.  .

This is silly.   Neither was the best rebounder in program history, and it isn't particularly close.

One guy leads us in career rebounding average;  he also posted 3 of the 4 best rebounding seasons in the history of the program-- and it would be 4, if freshman had been eligible to play when he arrived on campus-- and he'd still hold the aggregate rebounding record if he'd played  4 seasons.

He's still 4th on the career rebound list-- despite playing a whopping 72 games in his Razorback career  (the guys ahead of him played 137, 131, and 122 games respectively) --  of the 14 Razorback single game performances of 19 rebounds or more, he had *11* of them;  he held the single game rebounding record for 26 years---  and he played in the pre-shot clock era, so when you look at rebounding percentage rates, he simply dwarfs anyone to suit up in program history.

Dean Tolson is the greatest rebounder to have ever been a Hog, and one of the true forgotten greats in the history of the program.

[maxhog5]

Why on earth didn't we have Moncrief on him the whole night??

Sutton was concerned with Moncrief fouling out.  Finally with no other options, he put Sid on him in the second half.  Moncrief shut him down by overplaying Bird and not letting him get the ball.

[Big Nasty 34]

Sutton was concerned with Moncrief fouling out.  Finally with no other options, he put Sid on him in the second half.  Moncrief shut him down by overplaying Bird and not letting him get the ball.

Hindsight is 20/20, but I bet he wishes he would've had Sid devote his game to shutting him down. We would've beat them 4 on 4 taking the stars out

[maxhog5]

Dean Tolson is the greatest rebounder to have ever been a Hog, and one of the true forgotten greats in the history of the program.

Looked up the stats and you are correct.  He was a beast.  At least from the 70's on, he is unique in Arkansas basketball. 

[jseinfeld50]

Dean Tolson is the greatest rebounder to have ever been a Hog, and one of the true forgotten greats in the history of the program.

Tolson who was a 6'8" F/C who had a double/double almost each game and many times was 20+/10+ pts/rebs. Tolson had a crazy vertical.

[jseinfeld50]

Don't know where Schulte called home, but he played ball at Subiaco. When we went there to play them, Jack showed up early to the gym in street clothes and chatted with our guys. Seemed very nice. (I not play, I keep stats)

I think Terry was kinda like Thurman. Great shooter, but had trouble creating his own shots against NBA D. And I think he had a knee that was really bad.

Yeah I think Jack was born or lived in St Louis. Thanks I didn't know about Jack's association with Subiaco. Chris Bennett had a really bad knee and huge knee brace. I found this bit of information on Jack from 2006.

http://arkansas.scout.com/2/598042.html

[pigzwillrise]

PG - Lee Mayberry
SG- Joe Johnson
SF- Todd Day
PF- Corliss Williamson
C - Oliver Miller

Reserves: Scotty Thurman, Sideny Moncrief, Ronnie Brewer... that's all I would need.

[Big Nasty 34]

No back up posts? That's smart lol

[mbgrulz]

Moncrief would never be a reserve on any razorback team.

Absolutely. We're talking about a guy who was a great Hog AND NBA player. Scotty is a legend because of the shot, but not on the level of Sid in terms of baller.

Sid is on Corliss' level in terms of all time hog great. No top 5 should ever not include those 2. 

[mbgrulz]

Mayberry
Moncrief
Johnson
Corliss
Big-O

Bench: Delph, Beck, Ron Brewer, Klien, Todd Day, Thurman

[dhornjr1]

Sid is on Corliss' level in terms of all time hog great. No top 5 should ever not include those 2. 

They're the top two Hogs, ever. Todd Day is a distant third. Surely most sensible people would agree with that.

[mbgrulz]

They're the top two Hogs, ever. Todd Day is a distant third. Surely most sensible people would agree with that.

Yea, I think JJ is a better player, but Day was more productive. Day is definitely a top 5 all time hog. I just LOVED Mayberry's game though. I think he is top 5, but maybe not when you consider Robertson, and some of those cats.

I think its curious that the '91 team has more top 10 type players than the '94 team. That proves that some teams just have "it".

[mhuff]

I just don't believe any of this!  JJ was a good player, but a better PG than Mayberry?  SG than Day?  Are you not letting your ARKANSAS eyes get in the way? Mayberry is the best PG ever, Day could play with anybody and on the Hill Beck was a better leader than JJ.  No way is JJ the 2nd best, no way.  He was lazy on defense but was good on offense, NO WAY THE 2ND BEST, NO WAY!!

[sadhogfan]

5 time All-Star, 2 time DPOY, All-NBA 1st team once, All-NBA 2nd team 4 times, 1st team All-Defense 4 times, 1 time All-Defensive 2nd team for Sidney.

Joe is a 6 time All-Star and made the All-NBA 3rd one time.

If we're comparing peaks, there is no discussion and I don't think Joe will be All-NBA again at this point, so I'd say Sidney has him squarely beat. Joe's had a longer career but I wouldn't say a better career.

Sidney also played in 93 playoff games in a shorter career to Joe's 69.

This is a good response. I wasn't trying to downplay Moncrief's ability, and I said that he was as good as Joe at his peak if not better (which your data certainly backs up).

Still, it seems fairly likely that Joe will finish his career as a 20,000 point scorer, which is a huge accomplishment. The length of his success absolutely makes the claim that he is the greatest pro Hog a credible one, even if it's one that you disagree with.

Sidney was definitely the better college player though.

[thirrdegreetusker]

Sidney was definitely the better college player though.

............as evidenced by the fact that Sid was #2 in every major POY award after his senior year.  Larry Bird got the media love.

[hawginbigd1]

I suspect that anybody who thinks that Joe johnson or Corliss are the best players ever are showing their age. Super Sid is the best Hog player ever hands down, and had the best pro career of anyone else on a perenially second tier team. They flashed a few seasons but mostly were like Golden State or the Clippers from the last decade.

[snoblind]

I suspect that anybody who thinks that Joe johnson or Corliss are the best players ever are showing their age. Super Sid is the best Hog player ever hands down, and had the best pro career of anyone else on a perenially second tier team. They flashed a few seasons but mostly were like Golden State or the Clippers from the last decade.

True.

And I think that Martin Terry and Dean Tolson playing before Arkansas got rolling under Eddie and Nolan has a lot to do with them not being mentioned more.

BTW, when I Googled 'Martin Terry Arkansas Razorback" to see if I could find any information on him after his Arkansas playing days this thread was at the top...

[mbgrulz]

I suspect that anybody who thinks that Joe johnson or Corliss are the best players ever are showing their age. Super Sid is the best Hog player ever hands down, and had the best pro career of anyone else on a perenially second tier team. They flashed a few seasons but mostly were like Golden State or the Clippers from the last decade.

I think it depends on how you rate the players...

Is it more important to accomplish things as a Hog, or to go on to have a great pro career?

Sid is #2 on my list
Corliss is #1

Why? He was the MOP on the best Hog team ever to walk the Earth. Then, the next year he was the MVP on the 2nd best Hog team ever. Those are facts.

Moncrief was a complete beast, but Corliss was the best we've had.

[thirrdegreetusker]

Olson who was a 6'8" F/C who had a double/double almost each game and many times was 20+/10+ Pt's/rebus. Olson had a crazy vertical.

He was actually only about 6'6", but his wingspan was almost 7 feet. Told me that himself. Nice guy.

I was chatting with him at the gym of a mens league game in Rogers in the mid-80s, and, to prove his height/span, he had me make a chalk mark on the wall, indicating his height. Then he stepped back, and put the fingertips of one hand touching the floor, and the fingertips of the other hand reached well above the chalk mark on the wall.  Played in the NBA with the Sonics.

[razorson]

Moncrief,Robertson,Klien,Williamson,Beck  2.Walker,Brewer Sr.,Miller,Day,Thurman

[H-O-double g]

Andrew Lang was a monster shot blocker.

True......but Lang was always got his 2nd foul 10-12 seconds into the game

[jseinfeld50]

He was actually only about 6'6", but his wingspan was almost 7 feet. Told me that himself. Nice guy.

I was chatting with him at the gym of a mens league game in Rogers in the mid-80s, and, to prove his height/span, he had me make a chalk mark on the wall, indicating his height. Then he stepped back, and put the fingertips of one hand touching the floor, and the fingertips of the other hand reached well above the chalk mark on the wall.  Played in the NBA with the Sonics.

Cool. I meant Tolson not Olson.  Yeah they were still adding 2 inches to heights back then also. 

[hhicNaychaBoi]

Kareem reid
Sidney moncrief
Todd Day
Corliss Williamson
Andrew Lang

Corey Beck
Alvin Robertson
Clint Mcdaniel
Derek Hood
Steven Hill
Alex Dillard
Joe Johnson

With Lee Mayberry and Pat Bradley redshirting

[McKdaddy]

Kareem reid
Sidney moncrief
Todd Day
Corliss Williamson
Andrew Lang

Corey Beck
Alvin Robertson
Clint Mcdaniel
Derek Hood
Steven Hill
Alex Dillard
Joe Johnson

With Lee Mayberry and Pat Bradley redshirting

Steven Hill over Joe Kleine or Big O or Scott Hastings is "interesting."

[thirrdegreetusker]

Steven Hill over Joe Kleine or Big O or Scott Hastings is "interesting."

........or over Kent Allison, Steve Schall, Steve Stround, Darryl Saulsberry, Dean Tolson, or ..............

[hhicNaychaBoi]

Steven Hill over Joe Kleine or Big O or Scott Hastings is "interesting."

Because hill's shot blocking ability would initiate the fastest fast break ever with Kareem pushing the ball up court....and he would be even more of a beast around the basket on this squad as the last line of defense of the press

[ErieHog]

Because hill's shot blocking ability would initiate the fastest fast break ever with Kareem pushing the ball up court....and he would be even more of a beast around the basket on this squad as the last line of defense of the press

Er...what?

The best shot blocker, outlet passer, and running and defending big  is one guy that you chose Hill over--  Oliver Miller-- who was also light years ahead as a post and general offensive threat.

[McKdaddy]

Er...what?

The best shot blocker, outlet passer, and running and defending big  is one guy that you chose Hill over--  Oliver Miller-- who was also light years ahead as a post and general offensive threat.

This. Big O was great w/ the outlet pass, getting the break started.

[PonderinHog]

Er...what?

The best shot blocker, outlet passer, and running and defending big  is one guy that you chose Hill over--  Oliver Miller-- who was also light years ahead as a post and general offensive threat.

But, but, but Hill hit that shot to beat Tennessee in the SEC tourney!

[dhornjr1]

This. Big O was great w/ the outlet pass, getting the break started.

One of the best outlet passers ever, and I don't mean just for the Razorbacks.

[hhicNaychaBoi]

This. Big O was great w/ the outlet pass, getting the break started.

I like the big O but i wouldnt want him clogging my lane on offense...i would want tpo use more spacing and for that reason i would take pre injury michael washington or dwight stewart over the big O

[thirrdegreetusker]

I like the big O but i wouldnt want him clogging my lane on offense...i would want tpo use more spacing and for that reason i would take pre injury michael washington or dwight stewart over the big O

Something tells me you did not get to see O much in person. O blocked more shots than Hill, and was better at every other phase of the game, as well.

[McKdaddy]

I like the big O but i wouldnt want him clogging my lane on offense...i would want tpo use more spacing and for that reason i would take pre injury michael washington or dwight stewart over the big O

I hear you, but Big O didn't seem to clog the lane during his years at the school, which coincided with our highest scoring years in school history.

1988-89  89.7ppg  5th highest scoring avg in UA history.
1989-90  95.6ppg  2nd
1990-91  99.6ppg  1st
1991-92  89.8ppg  4th

I realize these were talented teams, running NR's press to its peak, but Big O was 1/3 of that era's "Triplets". His senior year he had a nagging injury (foot or ankle, I seem to recall), which slowed him and the team down. But I wouldn't characterize Big O as a lane-clogger over the course of his UA career.

[McKdaddy]

Something tells me you did not get to see O much in person. O blocked more shots than Hill, and was better at every other phase of the game, as well.

Agreed.

[McKdaddy]

The best shot blocker, outlet passer, and running and defending big man is the one guy that you chose Hill over -- Oliver Miller -- who was also light years ahead as a post and general offensive threat.

[UNCLE BACK]

Joe Johnson at PG
Todd Day SG
Sidney Moncrief SF
Big NASTY PF
Oliver Miller C

[Dugann]

1st Pg: Mayberry SG: Moncrief SG/SF: Johnson PF: Williamson C: Kline
2nd PG: Beck SG: Day SG/SF: Roberson PF: Terry C: Miller

6th man either team: Walker
Shooter: Bradley
Hacker: Towns

[razorback93]

Lee Mayberry
Sydney Moncrief
Todd Day
Corliss Williamson
Oliver Miller

Alvin Robertson
Ron Brewer
Ronnie Brewer
Scott Hastings
Joe Kliene

Andrew Lang
Joe Johnson

I base this on their careers at UA, not what they did in the pros.  Joe played basically a year and half, and his numbers were not outstanding