Arkansas to pay San Jose St $1.5M in 2019.

[ricepig]

http://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/arkansas-football/arkansas-really-made-worthwhile-san-jose-state-travel-2019/

[LRRandy]

Would really suck to lose that game.

[ricepig]

Would really suck to lose that game.

Sucks to lose any game.

[870hogfan]

Would really suck to lose that game.

Is there a Ohio State board that you can go too?

[ErieHog]

Eh.   Not too shabby for that kind of a game.  Payouts for these games are huge now.  The Colorado State game for $1.3 is a steal.

[nchogg]

They could use the money after they lose federal funding.

[LRRandy]

Sucks to lose any game.

true. But to lose AND pay that kind of money to do it would really suck.

[ricepig]

What an absolute joke to even be playing this game. 

There is NO defending the logic of playing this game because it only reinforces the perception of Arkansas football as being concerned with finances over on the field performance. 

Wut?? Oh that's right, you think we should play USCw, tOSU, Clemson, and OU every year because you'd rather watch those games. If we were concerned with finances, we'd find someone cheaper to play, lol.

[ricepig]

true. But to lose AND pay that kind of money to do it would really suck.

Not really, it's just money.......

[LRRandy]

Not really, it's just money.......

Wut?? Oh that's right, you think we should play USCw, tOSU, Clemson, and OU every year because you'd rather watch those games. If we were concerned with finances, we'd find someone cheaper to play, lol.

well it appears according to you, that money is no object with regards to Razorback football. Wonder why they don't hire someone that can win. Since they have all that money.

[navyhog24]

That's 10% of Bielema's buyout. Can't we just save it for that?

[ErieHog]

That's 10% of Bielema's buyout. Can't we just save it for that?

Even if you wanted to, no.

You have to fill that game date.  And that's pretty well the going rate for a FBS opponent.  You can go discount and save half a mil, to three quarters of a mill with an FCS opponent, but that will hit you and put you in a bad position with the conference offices, which are pushing for the eventual elimination of FCS games.

[Jborohog09]

What an absolute joke to even be playing this game. 

There is NO defending the logic of playing this game because it only reinforces the perception of Arkansas football as being concerned with finances over on the field performance. 

You are aware everyone plays these games, right?

[ricepig]

well it appears according to you, that money is no object with regards to Razorback football. Wonder why they don't hire someone that can win. Since they have all that money.

I didn't realize we didn't win? I'll check last year's schedule again.

[ricepig]

FWIW: and not to pump up LRRandy's team unnecessarily but even as a non fan of both teams, I recall the Oklahoma - Ohio State games of many years ago and I'd like to see Arkansas playing games like that.  OOC games against meaningful opponents that have the potential to become classics. 

I remember this game because I watched it:

I think/hope that we continue to try and play a big boy, I fully expect us to do a home and home with a P5. It sucks that the Michigan series was cancelled, I had already made plans to attend.

[LRRandy]

I didn't realize we didn't win? I'll check last year's schedule again.

and there you have it. An example of what's wrong with much of hog nation. You think you ARE winning.

[ricepig]

and there you have it. An example of what's wrong with much of hog nation. You think you ARE winning.

I didn't say we were winning at a rate I want to, but what you think is irrelevant.

[(notOM)Rebel123]

Definitely, yes.  If I wasn't, RicePig has been sure to (try and) beat that into my mind over the years.......

I'd like to see Arkansas cut back on games like this and play a better OOC schedule that would better prepare the team for the rigors of SEC play instead of chasing more ticket revenue.  Now, I should pause and acknowledge the games with Michigan (that were cancelled by Michigan) were definitely a step in the right direction (okay, a huge step) and that they fell through is clearly not the fault of anyone at Arkansas.  But there are many other teams out there that would be far more attractive on Arkansas' schedule and do a better job of preparing the team for conference play. 

But the bottom line is that every little extra action Arkansas can take to play higher profile games will pay much better dividends in the longer term when it comes to recruiting.  And that is more important than making a few more dollars.     

TCU is a pretty good non-Conf. Opponent.

[RME]

But the bottom line is that every little extra action Arkansas can take to play higher profile games will pay much better dividends in the longer term when it comes to recruiting.  And that is more important than making a few more dollars.   

So playing OU, Clemson, Michigan, and Florida State and finishing a season at 4-8 (if we could find 4 SEC wins) is better for recruiting than playing 4 cupcakes and finishing 8-4?

[LZH]

What an absolute joke to even be playing this game. 

There is NO defending the logic of playing this game because it only reinforces the perception of Arkansas football as being concerned with finances over on the field performance. 

What? What do you mean?

Add: Never mind - Prepare us for the SEC? Chasing more ticket revenue? OK.

[LRRandy]

I think/hope that we continue to try and play a big boy, I fully expect us to do a home and home with a P5. It sucks that the Michigan series was cancelled, I had already made plans to attend.

Xichigan are punks. The Razorbacks stepped up and scheduled a top team. I hope they find another top team to schedule. Those games are good for a program.

[factchecker]

Xichigan are punks. The Razorbacks stepped up and scheduled a top team. I hope they find another top team to schedule. Those games are good for a program.

They really screwed us over dropping the game so late.

We might end up having to play a couple neutral site games to fill the Michigan void.

[ErieHog]

They really screwed us over dropping the game so late.

We might end up having to play a couple neutral site games to fill the Michigan void.

I'm pretty sure that's one of the games this one is making up for;  we're tossing out a medium to medium high price for a FBS game to replace them on short notice,   and to fill the 2019 home date. 

[jcbville]

What an absolute joke to even be playing this game. 

There is NO defending the logic of playing this game because it only reinforces the perception of Arkansas football as being concerned with finances over on the field performance.

Easy there. Every school does this.

[factchecker]

I'm pretty sure that's one of the games this one is making up for;  we're tossing out a medium to medium high price for a FBS game to replace them on short notice,   and to fill the 2019 home date.

I don't think so. We still have open spots for both the 2018 and 19 seasons.

2018 non-con:

September 15th vs. North Texas

2019 non-con:

August 31st vs. Portland State
September 14th vs. Colorado State
September 21st vs. San Jose State

This 2nd week is open both seasons.

[ErieHog]

I don't think so. We still have open spots for both the 2018 and 19 seasons.

2018 non-con:

September 15th vs. North Texas

2019 non-con:

August 31st vs. Portland State
September 14th vs. Colorado State
September 21st vs. San Jose State

This 2nd week is open both seasons.

The shuffle around is the issue for 2019;  we got the PSU game to fill the Michigan week, and put SJSU in the former spot they were discussing scheduling PSU before Michigan cancelled,  but it ended up taking all the way until December to finalize.   

Filling out that 2018 schedule is going to be a bear.  Finding one more 2019 game should be slightly easier.

[factchecker]

The shuffle around is the issue for 2019;  we got the PSU game to fill the Michigan week, and put SJSU in the former spot they were discussing scheduling PSU before Michigan cancelled,  but it ended up taking all the way until December to finalize.   

Filling out that 2018 schedule is going to be a bear.  Finding one more 2019 game should be slightly easier.

Lets play Iowa in Kansas City.

[ErieHog]

Lets play Iowa in Kansas City.

In 2018 or 2019?

They have Iowa State scheduled that 2nd week of both years.

[LZH]

How 'bout a home & home with the U....or even USF or UCF. I'd be diggin' that.

[factchecker]

How 'bout a home & home with the U....or even USF or UCF. I'd be diggin' that.

I'm not sure we would schedule a home and home with USF/UCF but you never know.  Don't they both play in pro stadiums?

[LZH]

I'm not sure we would schedule a home and home with USF/UCF but you never know.  Don't they both play in pro stadiums?

UCF plays in the Citrus Bowl in Orlando, and USF plays here at Raymond James Stadium. They usually draw less-than-stellar crowds. But they both have certainly upgraded their talent level. I just said home and home because I would get to catch an extra Razorback game if they were to play down here.

[factchecker]

UCF plays in the Citrus Bowl in Orlando, and USF plays here at Raymond James Stadium. They usually draw less-than-stellar crowds. But they both have certainly upgraded their talent level. I just said home and home because I would certainly get to catch an extra Razorback game if they were to play down here.

Cool. They both play in good stadiums.  I don't see anything wrong with playing in Florida.

[LZH]

Cool. They both play in good stadiums.  I don't see anything wrong with playing in Florida.

For some reason I had it in my head that we would be playing Florida in Gainesville this fall, but we don't. That is only a two and a half hour drive for me - was getting jacked up about catching a Razorback game in the Swamp.

[factchecker]

For some reason I had it in my head that we would be playing Florida in Gainesville this fall, but we don't. That is only a two and a half hour drive for me - was getting jacked up about catching a Razorback game in the Swamp.

I think we used to do the return games the following year.  Now it's something like every 5 years.

[Inhogswetrust]

Would really suck to lose that game.

Definitely, yes.  If I wasn't, RicePig has been sure to (try and) beat that into my mind over the years.......

I'd like to see Arkansas cut back on games like this and play a better OOC schedule that would better prepare the team for the rigors of SEC play instead of chasing more ticket revenue.  Now, I should pause and acknowledge the games with Michigan (that were cancelled by Michigan) were definitely a step in the right direction (okay, a huge step) and that they fell through is clearly not the fault of anyone at Arkansas.  But there are many other teams out there that would be far more attractive on Arkansas' schedule and do a better job of preparing the team for conference play. 

But the bottom line is that every little extra action Arkansas can take to play higher profile games will pay much better dividends in the longer term when it comes to recruiting.  And that is more important than making a few more dollars.     

Some people seriously need professional help.

[EastexHawg]

The only way to eliminate these games is an expanded (at least eight team) playoff in which every P5 conference champion, regardless of record, is guaranteed a spot.  Well, that and an accompanying rule that only games against members of certain conferences can be scheduled.

Teams schedule these games so they can (a) not chance losing an OOC game that might knock them out of playoff contention; or (b) at least qualify for the best possible bowl.

Including every conference champion, even with an 8-4 record, and forcing everyone else to quit playing cupcakes will do away with the incentive to find the weakest, surest wins possible.

[ricepig]

The only way to eliminate these games is an expanded (at least eight team) playoff in which every P5 conference champion, regardless of record, is guaranteed a spot.  Well, that and an accompanying rule that only games against members of certain conferences can be scheduled.

Teams schedule these games so they can (a) not chance losing an OOC game that might knock them out of playoff contention; or (b) at least qualify for the best possible bowl.

Including every conference champion, even with an 8-4 record, and forcing everyone else to quit playing cupcakes will do away with the incentive to find the weakest, surest wins possible.

FCS and smaller G5 schools depend on these games to help their budget. I guess they can find another sport to play.

[LZH]

FCS and smaller G5 schools depend on these games to help their budget. I guess they can find another sport to play.

Beat me to it. I have absolutely no problem with scheduling cupcakes, FBS or FCS. Everyone should be able to schedule whoever they want to, the conferences need to stay out of the decision.

[EastexHawg]

FCS and smaller G5 schools depend on these games to help their budget. I guess they can find another sport to play.

I went to an FCS school.  We weren't playing USC and Texas in OOC games.  The games were played in a 14,000 seat stadium against other FCS programs.  It was what it was.

The "we're supporting FCS programs" explanation is hollow.  What's going to happen if SEC teams quit playing them?  Are they going to drop football?  I don't think so.  They may have to cut their budgets.  But really, what concern is it of the SEC if they do?

[ricepig]

I went to an FCS school.  We weren't playing USC and Texas in OOC games.  The games were played in a 14,000 seat stadium against other FCS programs.  It was what it was.

Yeah, ain't it crazy that times change?

[Hawghiggs]

 Would rather play Kansas, New Mexico, Wyoming, Rice, or Tulsa.

[EastexHawg]

Yeah, ain't it crazy that times change?

So ADs and coaches can make more money and the team can get the snot beaten out of it?

[ricepig]

So ADs and coaches can make more money and the team can get the snot beaten out of it?

Yeah, it's the American way.

[bennyl08]

Definitely, yes.  If I wasn't, RicePig has been sure to (try and) beat that into my mind over the years.......

I'd like to see Arkansas cut back on games like this and play a better OOC schedule that would better prepare the team for the rigors of SEC play instead of chasing more ticket revenue.  Now, I should pause and acknowledge the games with Michigan (that were cancelled by Michigan) were definitely a step in the right direction (okay, a huge step) and that they fell through is clearly not the fault of anyone at Arkansas.  But there are many other teams out there that would be far more attractive on Arkansas' schedule and do a better job of preparing the team for conference play. 

But the bottom line is that every little extra action Arkansas can take to play higher profile games will pay much better dividends in the longer term when it comes to recruiting.  And that is more important than making a few more dollars.   

2002: Boise St
2003: Texas
2004: Texas
2005: USC
2006: USC
2007: n/a
2008: Texas (Tulsa was top 25 as well that year)
2009: aggies
2010: aggies
2011: aggies
2012: Rutgers
2013: Rutgers
2014: TTU
2015: TTU
2016: TCU
2017: TCU

*2018/2019 we were scheduled to play Michigan, but they canceled. Given how early you have to schedule p5 games, we are probably in a bind there.

So, literally 1 year out of 16 years did we not schedule a P5 team for OOC play.

EDIT: Boise St is not a power 5 team, but might as well be.

[EastexHawg]

Yeah, it's the American way.

I just find the "we need to keep slaughtering creampuffs because if we quit playing them it would destroy their budgets" concern to be hilarious.  Is anyone worried about FCS schools' volleyball and soccer budgets?

Probably not, because SEC-level programs don't use those teams to pad their W/L records, get to bowl games, and allow coaches and fans to puff out their chests over how good a season they have had.

[bennyl08]

I just find the "we need to keep slaughtering creampuffs because if we quit playing them it would destroy their budgets" concern to be hilarious.  Is anyone worried about FCS schools' volleyball and soccer budgets?

Probably not, because SEC-level programs don't use those teams to pad their W/L records, get to bowl games, and allow coaches and fans to puff out their chests over how good a season they have had.

Want me to fact check that? Or will it just be a case of saying that any SEC team that does use these teams to pad records and stats isn't truly sec-level, and those that are "sec-level" schedule those same teams by coincidence, but they don't need to.

[Pork Twain]

What an absolute joke to even be playing this game. 

There is NO defending the logic of playing this game because it only reinforces the perception of Arkansas football as being concerned with finances over on the field performance. 

What are you even talking about?

[ricepig]

I just find the "we need to keep slaughtering creampuffs because if we quit playing them it would destroy their budgets" concern to be hilarious.  Is anyone worried about FCS schools' volleyball and soccer budgets?

Probably not, because SEC-level programs don't use those teams to pad their W/L records, get to bowl games, and allow coaches and fans to puff out their chests over how good a season they have had.

Yeah, only every team does it, stick to your alma mater. And yes, the money that helps the FCS athletic budget, helps the volleyball and soccer budgets. Do you think our volleyball and soccer teams are self-sufficient?

[HamSammich]

Wut?? Oh that's right, you think we should play USCw, tOSU, Clemson, and OU every year because you'd rather watch those games. If we were concerned with finances, we'd find someone cheaper to play, lol.

Exaggerate much? These guys never said play the top 10 teams in the nation. There is nothing wrong and something actually quite admirable of having an OOC schedule against teams like : Temple, Iowa state, California , Oregon state, Miami, Virginia .....

[EastexHawg]

Yeah, only every team does it, stick to your alma mater. And yes, the money that helps the FCS athletic budget, helps the volleyball and soccer budgets. Do you think our volleyball and soccer teams are self-sufficient?

I'm not worried about my alma mater.  We played football long before we became enlightened and started getting slaughtered as the sacrificial lambs for Texas Tech and the Aggies every year.  If we got a curb stomping in those days it usually came from Texas A&I or maybe Angelo State.  I went to class with players, including a first team All-American, who were on scholarship and believe it or not they were right there in Geology Lab, getting an education with the rest of us.

And for the record, my alma mater's enrollment when I went to school there was larger than Arkansas'.

The football and basketball arenas are the same now as they were in 1980.  If a lot of money was made and spent it most likely went into administrative costs, mainly salaries.  I'm sure the AD and head coach enjoy the financial benefits of having the team massacred a time or two every fall.

FCS schools and their athletic departments are not going to shut their doors because they aren't allowed to be rent-a-wins for big time schools anymore.  They will manage, just as they always did before the big schools decided they needed to "help" them by hanging 60-75 points on them once or twice a year.