SEC Boss Weighs in on Stadium Gun Issue

[Mike Irwin]

http://www.nwahomepage.com/razorback-nation/sec-boss-weighs-in-on-stadium-gun-issue/681998152

[DeltaBoy]

I agree no guns in sporting venues.

[LittlePigMan]

I agree no guns in sporting venues.

Not even skeet and trap?

[ricepig]

Not even skeet and trap?

Use sling shots, more of a challenge.

[Svrdhd]

From Associated Press:
The National Rifle Association, which supported the expanded concealed handguns law, opposes the exemption measure in its current and previous form.

"There is no language in (the bill) that could be classified as an SEC exemption," NRA spokesman Lars Dalseide said in an email. "Instead we have a bill that eliminates a considerable amount of fundamental freedoms recognized by the governor just last week."

[JIMMY BOARFFETT]

There's something a bit unsettling about an outsider flexing his muscles and telling Arkansans how they should, or should not, behave.  However, having said that, I totally agree with Sankey.

[Hogwild]

UA sources fear If law ends up allowing guns in stadiums it could be end of their SEC membership.  We'll discuss w/ @CollinsARK at 2pm cst.

Is this really a possibility? Or a way to boost his ratings?

[arkmark]

I've often thought when watching college head coaches on the game field that the presence of  uniformed and of course armed bodyguards was a bit over the top.  But if the  provision allowing  CCW stands I'll see the need.  Especially with football with the associated tailgating and drinking traditions.  Where's the common sense.  And yeah, I carry.

[BroyledNutts]

There's something a bit unsettling about an outsider flexing his muscles and telling Arkansans how they should, or should not, behave.  However, having said that, I totally agree with Sankey.

This. I wouldn't take my CCW to a game, even if I could, but having Sankey issue a veiled threat to the University of Arkansas regarding legislative State Sovereignty decisions doesn't set well with me. As a point of interest, Georgia legislature is considering this same type of legislation - Sankey has issued no statement to the University of Georgia.

[tusksincolorado]

This. I wouldn't take my CCW to a game, even if I could, but having Sankey issue a veiled threat to the University of Arkansas regarding legislative State Sovereignty decisions doesn't set well with me. As a point of interest, Georgia legislature is considering this same type of legislation - Sankey has issued no statement to the University of Georgia.

Maybe because Georgia is a charter member of the SEC....?

[luke hawg]

This falls under know your role. We are a tiny market in the most profitable league in the country. Sankey made a threat because he can. It's time for the morons in the state legislature to not f with Razorback sports.

[tusksincolorado]

This falls under know your role. We are a tiny market in the most profitable league in the country. Sankey made a threat because he can. It's time for the morons in the state legislature to not f with Razorback sports.

Hey you call them morons...but somebody had to vote for them to be elected into office...


So the real question is WHO VOTED FOR THE MORONS!?

[luke hawg]

We aren't an intellectual powerhouse but this is an absurd piece of legislation.

[hawgwash]

Maybe because Georgia is a charter member of the SEC....?

Or maybe because Georgia hasn't actually passed such a law?

[Grizzlyfan]

There's something a bit unsettling about an outsider flexing his muscles and telling Arkansans how they should, or should not, behave.  However, having said that, I totally agree with Sankey.

The state of Arkansas can do whatever it wants.  The SEC can do whatever it wants with scheduling games in our state and reviewing the standing of our membership. We should appreciate that they warned us it could happen beforehand.  Freedom is grand.

[PorkRinds]

There's something a bit unsettling about an outsider flexing his muscles and telling Arkansans how they should, or should not, behave.  However, having said that, I totally agree with Sankey.

So...I'm betting you don't realize that the guy from the NRA that was pushing this bill who is quoted in the post of you is an outsider who is flexing his muscle and telling Arkansas how they should and should not behave.

[hogcard1964]

The state of Arkansas can do whatever it wants.  The SEC can do whatever it wants with scheduling games in our state and reviewing the standing of our membership. We should appreciate that they warned us it could happen beforehand.  Freedom is grand.

+1000

Big 12 here we come!!!   

[Pig in the Pokey]

+1000

Big 12 here we come!!!   

true stroy

[hogcard1964]

true stroy

Nah, we'll be okay.

[DeltaBoy]

Not even skeet and trap?

Those are shooting based programs that are held at a Range not a football field or Baseball field .

[BroyledNutts]

The UofA could put an end to this entire debacle by establishing a simple policy ... sell beer and wine at sporting events...not just in club areas; everywhere.

Arkansas Concealed Carry Laws, currently existing, prevent concealed carry in any establishment that sells alcohol.

Sell beer and wine at sporting events on campus, end the issue about guns in sporting events.

[NuttinItUp]

The UofA could put an end to this entire debacle by establishing a simple policy ... sell beer and wine at sporting events...not just in club areas; everywhere.

Arkansas Concealed Carry Laws, currently existing, prevent concealed carry in any establishment that sells alcohol.

Sell beer and wine at sporting events on campus, end the issue about guns in sporting events.

I like it. Win-win.

[PorkRinds]

The UofA could put an end to this entire debacle by establishing a simple policy ... sell beer and wine at sporting events...not just in club areas; everywhere.

Arkansas Concealed Carry Laws, currently existing, prevent concealed carry in any establishment that sells alcohol.

Sell beer and wine at sporting events on campus, end the issue about guns in sporting events.

Do it.

[MuskogeeHogFan]

The UofA could put an end to this entire debacle by establishing a simple policy ... sell beer and wine at sporting events...not just in club areas; everywhere.

Arkansas Concealed Carry Laws, currently existing, prevent concealed carry in any establishment that sells alcohol.

Sell beer and wine at sporting events on campus, end the issue about guns in sporting events.

That would be a smart move.

[Pig in the Pokey]

That would be a smart move.

indeed. which conservative value wins? guns everywhere or them wanting to make sure nobody gets to enjoy a beer because: God.

[NuttinItUp]

The Sun Belt conference also wants the gun law changed:
http://www.arkansasonline.com/news/2017/mar/30/sun-belt-conference-says-it-wants-arkansas-gun-law/

Not that they carry anywhere near the weight of the SEC, but still.

[hogcard1964]

The UofA could put an end to this entire debacle by establishing a simple policy ... sell beer and wine at sporting events...not just in club areas; everywhere.

Arkansas Concealed Carry Laws, currently existing, prevent concealed carry in any establishment that sells alcohol.

Sell beer and wine at sporting events on campus, end the issue about guns in sporting events.

Would you rather have a bunch if drunken clowns out driving around or have someone allowed to practice their civil rights? Is that really a smart trade off?

[JIMMY BOARFFETT]

So...I'm betting you don't realize that the guy from the NRA that was pushing this bill who is quoted in the post of you is an outsider who is flexing his muscle and telling Arkansas how they should and should not behave.

My post was only considering the pressure from the SEC muscle flexing.  You are correct, the NRA muscle flexing should be mentioned too.  Either way, I don't care for the citizens of Arkansans being squeezed.

[(notOM)Rebel123]

Would you rather have a bunch if drunken clowns out driving around or have someone allowed to practice their civil rights? Is that really a smart trade off?

Do you think free speech really exists in this country? What about freedom of religion?

With rights come responsibility.nobody is stripping you of your right to own a gun.

[PorkRinds]

My post was only considering the pressure from the SEC muscle flexing.  You are correct, the NRA muscle flexing should be mentioned too.  Either way, I don't care for the citizens of Arkansans being squeezed.

Fair enough. I do see your point.

[tusksincolorado]

Fair enough. I do see your point.

We wanted to be in The SEC Club.

If you want to be a member you have to abide by the rules.

$70+ Million in the coffers annually squeezes a LOT. Unless everybody has an idea on how to makeup the potential loss.

[HF#1]

It has never occurred to me to carry a weapon into DWRRS. War Memorial is a different story, won't attend another game there for a variety of reasons including that one. Verizon Arena in LR makes you go through a metal detector. I park close enough at Verizon where I don't feel like I need one at that time. Often times when I carry, I forget I am carrying. It never crosses my mind. So much so that I have accidentally carried in places I shouldn't have a couple times. Most people I know that are licensed are like this. It is or should be a different mindset. That weapon is for life threatening self defense situations only, like my trauma kit. If you have a temper issue or a drinking problem then you probably need to check yourself and not purchase a gun then seek help. Personal Responsibility is still a thing, right?

I assume metal detectors are part of the renovations going on at DWRRS. Bad people will do bad things. Good people for the most part, will not. A football game, a referee call, an opponent could never piss me off enough to brandish a weapon. I'd just walk away and would not indulge the ignorance.  If people wanted to hurt folks or fight at a football game, it would most likely happen in the tailgating areas or outside the stadium after the game or in the parking lots, not in the stadium, in my opinion.

[BroyledNutts]

Would you rather have a bunch if drunken clowns out driving around or have someone allowed to practice their civil rights? Is that really a smart trade off?

If we're being intellectually honest with ourselves, there's already an overwhelming number of drunk drivers after a football game anyway, whether known or unknown. Not that the desire is to drastically expand that number. Few show concern with the large numbers of fans leaving NFL and NBA events after imbibing all game.

Using the language of the CCL argument within the stadium, the over-riding concern with those voicing opinions against was having large numbers of drunks with guns in a confined and emotionally charged space, such as a stadium. Using their own words, there is already broad acceptance of drunkenness at games. They had no concern over that small fact; only the possibility of one or more of them having CCL while being drunk.

My proposal was a simple one - and a little tongue in cheek. If the amendment had failed, the UofA could've simply elected to sell beer and wine during games to all attendees, thus rendering the new law moot in that existing law already states CCL is prohibited within establishments selling alcohol. I was illustrating the loophole available for use that would satisfy those who do not want CCL within stadiums, the SEC with their threats to throw us out if we allow CCL at games, and still provide those who like to drink at games, and those who want the ability to CC around campus and at tailgating events prior and post event, a measure of placation.

[PorkSoda]

If people wanted to hurt folks or fight at a football game, it would most likely happen in the tailgating areas or outside the stadium after the game or in the parking lots, not in the stadium, in my opinion.

I went to a football game in oakland and a fight broke out behind me simply due to the fact that the guy was wearing a cowboys jacket.

religion and sports makes some people do things they normally wouldn't do.  such as be a cowboys fan.

[HF#1]

I went to a football game in oakland and a fight broke out behind me simply due to the fact that the guy was wearing a cowboys jacket.

religion and sports makes some people do things they normally wouldn't do.  such as be a cowboys fan.

Yes, because Oakland equally compares to the rest of the football world. There is a fight every Sunday in Oakland.

[HF#1]

Yes, because Oakland equally compares to the rest of the football world. There is a fight every Sunday in Oakland.

Ever witnessed a fight at DWRRS? The actual subject?

[PorkRinds]

Ever witnessed a fight at DWRRS? The actual subject?

Yes. I have.

[nchogg]

I agree no guns in sporting venues.

You are 100% correct. I can't understand why a person has the need to CCL at any sporting event or school. I have not lived in Arkansas for 30 years but when I lived there it was a different time. I like the SEC has made a statement about the law and DWRRS and others say it's none of their business. Look at the NCAA and the bathroom laws in NC, that has nothing to do with a firearm which kills. Yes I own a gun.

[DEVIL DOG HOG]

Now Sankey needs to address the officiating and not worry about politics.

[PORKULATOR]

I agree no guns in sporting venues.

I'm hip. Sooooo unnecessary. If you need your precious firearms to feel safe watching a game, you need therapy.

[PORKULATOR]

It has never occurred to me to carry a weapon into DWRRS. War Memorial is a different story, won't attend another game there for a variety of reasons including that one. Verizon Arena in LR makes you go through a metal detector. I park close enough at Verizon where I don't feel like I need one at that time. Often times when I carry, I forget I am carrying. It never crosses my mind. So much so that I have accidentally carried in places I shouldn't have a couple times. Most people I know that are licensed are like this. It is or should be a different mindset. That weapon is for life threatening self defense situations only, like my trauma kit. If you have a temper issue or a drinking problem then you probably need to check yourself and not purchase a gun then seek help. Personal Responsibility is still a thing, right?

I assume metal detectors are part of the renovations going on at DWRRS. Bad people will do bad things. Good people for the most part, will not. A football game, a referee call, an opponent could never piss me off enough to brandish a weapon. I'd just walk away and would not indulge the ignorance.  If people wanted to hurt folks or fight at a football game, it would most likely happen in the tailgating areas or outside the stadium after the game or in the parking lots, not in the stadium, in my opinion.

You can't convince me that you need your gun as often as you think Snowflake. I'm a CCL owner and very seldom have one on me. It's for ACTUAL situations, not walking up to a stadium with 60,000 other people.

[Inhogswetrust]

My post was only considering the pressure from the SEC muscle flexing.  You are correct, the NRA muscle flexing should be mentioned too.  Either way, I don't care for the citizens of Arkansans being squeezed.

It's a big world and we have to get along if we want to live in it. There are influences both in and out.

[Inhogswetrust]

Do you think free speech really exists in this country? What about freedom of religion?

With rights come responsibility.nobody is stripping you of your right to own a gun.

Exactly. Some people think having a right gives them a reason to be an idiot and do something dumb without assuming any responsibility for doing it. Without that responsibility thing you mentioned there are consequences to actions done in the name or realm of exercising a right.

[HamSammich]

There's something a bit unsettling about an outsider flexing his muscles and telling Arkansans how they should, or should not, behave.  However, having said that, I totally agree with Sankey.

Exactly... I'm surprised you guys bowed your head to an outsider TELLING ALL OF YOU HOW TO LIVE YOUR LIVES AND WHAT LAWS SHOULD PASS.... but you did... I'm a bit surprised, disappointed, and somewhat proud.

[grayhawg]

Exactly... I'm surprised you guys bowed your head to an outsider TELLING ALL OF YOU HOW TO LIVE YOUR LIVES AND WHAT LAWS SHOULD PASS.... but you did... I'm a bit surprised, disappointed, and somewhat proud.

His letter had very little if any influence on our house vote on guns at sporting events.

[HamSammich]

His letter had very little if any influence on our house vote on guns at sporting events.

the SEC pulling weight behind the scenes had VERY MUCH to do with the outcome. Don't be naïve.

[bennyl08]

My post was only considering the pressure from the SEC muscle flexing.  You are correct, the NRA muscle flexing should be mentioned too.  Either way, I don't care for the citizens of Arkansans being squeezed.

Isn't that exactly what is supposed to happen? Either the government provides protections or market forces will take over?

[grayhawg]

the SEC pulling weight behind the scenes had VERY MUCH to do with the outcome. Don't be naïve.

Maybe you should not be so gullible.

[Hawghiggs]

I'm hip. Sooooo unnecessary. If you need your precious firearms to feel safe watching a game, you need therapy.

So what does that say about a classroom?