Cole Kelly

[Hawgphat]

Serious question:

Is it POSSIBLE that - within Morris's offensive scheme - CK could be converted to Fullback or Tight End, put on a strict diet and exercise program, lose about 25-30 pounds of suet and used primarily as a blocking back and/or slot receiver?  He could also be used as an option passer/runner in some variation of "Wild Hog" formation. 

Do you think that would be at all feasible, - not necessarily in a full-time, first team starter capacity, - - but as an integral element of the offensive scheme in certain situations?

Do you think Kelly might go along with such a transition?

[Wildhog]

I think Cole can run this offense just fine.

[Pork Ranger]

Is it a lot of read option?

[DuckTalesLOL]

You think Cole Kelley would work as a slot receiver? LOL...

I'm sorry, there is no possible timeline in the world that would ever work.

[texas tush hog]

Cole will be gone in short order.

[Pork Ranger]

Yeah lol @ slot receiver

[Freebrd]

Serious question:

Is it POSSIBLE that - within Morris's offensive scheme - CK could be converted to Fullback or Tight End, put on a strict diet and exercise program, lose about 25-30 pounds of suet and used primarily as a blocking back and/or slot receiver?  He could also be used as an option passer/runner in some variation of "Wild Hog" formation. 

Do you think that would be at all feasible, - not necessarily in a full-time, first team starter capacity, - - but as an integral element of the offensive scheme in certain situations?

Do you think Kelly might go along with such a transition?


Arrrrgh, sounds like HDN wanting to convert Ryan Mallet to tight end.  Kelly has a strong arm, is difficult to sack and seemed to go thru his reads pretty well.  Keep him where he is-we need him there

[MissippHog]

Do we really need another TE/FB type? 

[Acehawg]

Beef him up and put him on the O-line...

[Hawgphat]

 Well, the basis for my premise is that - at 6'7' Kelly certainly has the extension to be a creditable tight end type, He is a big, strong, tough guy who has reasonably sure hands, and he's not the slowest guy around for his size.  He doesn't shy away from contact, and he can bring the wood.  It seems to me that he could be utilized in more than a single capacity.

[Pork Ranger]

Beef him up and put him on the O-line...

Has there ever been a QB switch positions to OL??

[Mjs84]

I think he has the durability to take the hits at qb without feeling the pressure that a smaller guy would.  It's the kind of thing that would take effect after a few hard hits, and being able to withstand more without the fear.  Of course it's early and anything could happen, so I will wait for the many experts to weigh in.

[PorkSoda]

you premise is flawed.  it what world is he not athletic enough to play QB but is athletic enough to play positions that require more athleticism than the QB position?

[devildoghawg]

Kelley will start next year and wreck shop in this system.  Just watch.  Dude has a bullet arm and the ability to move the line when needed.

[threeNout]

The only returning QB with experience, that has a certain amount of value, call it insurance.

It'll be interesting to see what happens with CK, I don't see him changing positions.

Getting some weight off him, and have him compete with Storey and whoever else CCM may bring in would be my guess.

[Inhogswetrust]

Has there ever been a QB switch positions to OL??

No but I think a QB in Kentucky at one time ate the OL.................................

[SooieGeneris]

I have been around a long time, I have seen a QB or two even taller than Kelley namely Mark McGwire's brother who played somewhere on the west coast and Brock Osweiler, who were both 6'8.

I have NEVER seen a 6'7 fullback, nor do I ever think I will.

Calvin Hill was 6'4, the tallest RB I have ever seen.

And Slot receiver? For real?

No, I do not think he would go for such a move, would you?

If CM doesn't think Kelley can run his offense, I would think he would be told so and thus transfer.

If CM does think Kelley can run this offense, he would want him to stick around.

Whether he does or not is a different matter. Maybe CK transfers wherever Enos winds up or someplace like ULL or ULM if he doesn't stick around.

If he does stick around, he will need to drop some lbs to run CMs offense, like 20 or more.

[Captain Hogthrob]

I think Cole can run this offense just fine.

I agree. He won't out run anyone but he's big and physical with a big arm. That will always work.

[PorkSoda]

Kelley will start next year and wreck shop in this system.  Just watch.  Dude has a bullet arm and the ability to move the line when needed.

I'm thinking he starts next year too, he can run the RPO not because of his speed, but because of his power. 

He is still raw, but just means he has a lot of room to improve.

[bphi11ips]

Cole's future with the Razorbacks depends on other options surfacing between now and next season. Shea Patterson would be a game changer, for example. Gerry Bohannon or Connor Noland may be. We don't know a lot about Daulton Hyatt. We pretty well know Ty Storey won't work.

CCM said today that high school coaches are creative by necessity because they can't recruit. That is pretty much where he finds himself next year. Unless someone else comes along, CCM can construct an effective offense around Kelley. It may be fast, but the mismatches he will create will be different than those he would create with a Bohannon or Patterson. The offense will look more like Collin Klein's on roller skates.

[threeNout]

Kelley will start next year and wreck shop in this system.  Just watch.  Dude has a bullet arm and the ability to move the line when needed.

sharpen his mechanics throwing, get him a little quicker, he might be a good fit in the new offense.

you need to have 3 solid threats that the D has to respect equally to keep a D off balance.

Kelley could provide two of those threats with his arm and the power run.

On the surface, it seems like it'd be workable to me.  His starting experience should make it desirable to try and make it so.

[Hawgphat]

you premise is flawed.  it what world is he not athletic enough to play QB but is athletic enough to play positions that require more athleticism than the QB position?

I'm not discounting the possibility/probability that CK can cut it at QB under Morris.  My supposition is that IF he should get beaten out for the #1 - and/or #2 slots by dynamic new incoming freshmen - should he transfer, ride the pine, - - or adapt to a new responsibility?

I think that's a reasonable question.

[TeufelHog]

He can IF he becomes a "dual-threat."  Only way that happens is if he drops 25-30 pounds which would improve his overall speed/quickness.  Seeing him this season during pre-game warm-ups, in a t-shirt without the shoulder-pads on, it is obvious he could drop some weight. 

[wpswillriseagain]

Has there ever been a QB switch positions to OL??

did that olineman from UAPB who ran like a 4.7 at the combine play QB in HS?

[Billy Bats]

Love the kid...not fast enough though.  We are all about speed now, remember?

[Oklahawg]

Cole's future with the Razorbacks depends on other options surfacing between now and next season. Shea Patterson would be a game changer, for example. Gerry Bohannon or Connor Noland may be. We don't know a lot about Daulton Hyatt. We pretty well know Ty Storey won't work.

CCM said today that high school coaches are creative by necessity because they can't recruit. That is pretty much where he finds himself next year. Unless someone else comes along, CCM can construct an effective offense around Kelley. It may be fast, but the mismatches he will create will be different than those he would create with a Bohannon or Patterson. The offense will look more like Collin Klein's on roller skates.

I see CK as being the QB for at least a year. Too hard to get a rookie up to speed. There is too great a chance that Bohanon needs a RS year to adjust to D1 football. Hyatt is the unknown - what can he bring to the table. I don't see Storey being here after the spring, especially if we sign two QBs this class.

[arkansashogs]

Cole kelly better to either transfer to be converted to tight end.

[PorkSoda]

Cole kelly better to either transfer to be converted to tight end.

I still don't get why anyone thinks he would make a good TE?  we have a slew of good TE's.  He will either be #1 or #2 next year.  either way I hope he stays.

[a0ashle]

I think Cole can run this offense just fine.

This is my thought too. It's just a matter of what role he plays. Whereas some QBs can run outside, CK will be up the middle, generally, and other positions will threaten outside.

[threeNout]

Love the kid...not fast enough though.  We are all about speed now, remember?

Agree on overall speed, but I think it's debatable if CK's lack of speed would hurt much.

Even last year at his weight/speed, it was a formidable thing to deal with when the D wasn't looking for him to run. (that just hardly ever happened)

His 20 yard run against A&M, he looked quick enough.

He establishes the TE routes, stretches the field some, we get Hayden going, TJ coming across in motion. You burn the D with those things, he'll have open pastures to romp, he can afford to be a little slow, the fact he's big enough to run over DBs is the added facet.

[ipigsooie]

The kid is fast enough to run this offense. I agree he  needs to lose a little weight but i still think the kid could be our dak Prescott. I'm not saying he will ever be that good but he has a lot of similarities. His stats at this point in his career are fairly similar. Also, dak is a smart runner. He is in no way a speed blazer, but he is a big, physical guy that runs when he needs to.

[RowNorseRow]

I think a credit to C.K. is that he was most successful this season while running some kind of hurry up or two minute offense. He shined with the quick passes. He still needs to learn how to control his arm strength but if he can get a little more shifty and use that and his size in the QB run game, along with his huge arm, he could very well be an elite QB as early as next season. I think this is the right fit for him. It's hard enough for a 6'7 QB to go under Center. Having him in shotgun sets and shoring up the protection will result in a lot of fun for the Hogs and some big time numbers for C.K. Hes dangerous when he lowers his shoulder.

[Billy Bats]

Agree on overall speed, but I think it's debatable if CK's lack of speed would hurt much.

Even last year at his weight/speed, it was a formidable thing to deal with when the D wasn't looking for him to run. (that just hardly ever happened)

His 20 yard run against A&M, he looked quick enough.

He establishes the TE routes, stretches the field some, we get Hayden going, TJ coming across in motion. You burn the D with those things, he'll have open pastures to romp, he can afford to be a little slow, the fact he's big enough to run over DBs is the added facet.

Fair enough.  I'm pulling for him.  Made a little mistake, no big deal...just want to see him do well. 

[RebHog]

Well, the basis for my premise is that - at 6'7' Kelly certainly has the extension to be a creditable tight end type, He is a big, strong, tough guy who has reasonably sure hands, and he's not the slowest guy around for his size.  He doesn't shy away from contact, and he can bring the wood.  It seems to me that he could be utilized in more than a single capacity.

Hes slow like a tank. No lateral speed twitch speed what so ever he can get okay speed running straight line. He isnt ideal for this offense but using him in the read option would be my last concern. He wouldn't be a home run threat at all but if he reads right he can steamboat forward for 3-4 yard chunk plays. I would be more worried about his passing and target progression. It wasn't good last year in both regards but its hard to tell how much is on him and how much was on the pathetic O line play.

[VirginiaHog]

Kelley will start next year and wreck shop in this system.  Just watch.  Dude has a bullet arm and the ability to move the line when needed.

This

[threeNout]

This is my thought too. It's just a matter of what role he plays. Whereas some QBs can run outside, CK will be up the middle, generally, and other positions will threaten outside.

yep, atypical QB, just means you be a little atypical in how you use him.

the base philosophy stays the same, you just tweak it.

You stretch the D out and they have to respect everything, then 3rd and 3 would just about be automatic with CK.

[ipigsooie]

Hes slow like a tank. No lateral speed twitch speed what so ever he can get okay speed running straight line. He isnt ideal for this offense but using him in the read option would be my last concern. He wouldn't be a home run threat at all but if he reads right he can steamboat forward for 3-4 yard chunk plays. I would be more worried about his passing and target progression. It wasn't good last year in both regards but its hard to tell how much is on him and how much was on the pathetic O line play.

As a defense, which guy would you worry more about running the ball, Jarrett stidham or cole kelley? Stidham runs a very similar offense and he runs it well  when he needs to.

[GuvHog]

I swear,  some of y'all need to go watch some video of SMU's offense from this year. The quarterback in the Morris system at SMU is NOT a dual threat QB, he is a pro style shotgun passing QB. Cole Kelly will fit perfectly in Morris's offense with the cannon he has for an arm.. Do any  of y'all remember when Mallett ran the spread under Petrino?? He was way slower than Kelly and he ran it just fine.

[Billy Bats]

I swear,  some of y'all need to go watch some video of SMU's offense from this year. The quarterback in the Morris system at SMU is NOT a dual threat QB, he is a pro style shotgun passing QB. Cole Kelly will fit perfectly in Morris's offense with the cannon he has for an arm.. Do any  of y'all remember when Mallett ran the spread under Petrino?? He was way slower than Kelly and he ran it just fine.

One of his first statements as the hog HC was about speed.  Just saying.  Having an RPO QB that runs a 4.4 could add a dimension to our offense we haven't had in over a decade.

[threeNout]

I would be more worried about his passing and target progression. It wasn't good last year in both regards but its hard to tell how much is on him and how much was on the pathetic O line play.

He was shell shocked half the time, under duress his mechanics would break down and hurt his accuracy.

showed at other times, in the right conditions, he could be very accurate.

would seem to be very fixable.

[threeNout]

One of his first statements as the hog HC was about speed.  Just saying.  Having an RPO QB that runs a 4.4 could add a dimension to our offense we haven't had in over a decade.

That sounds like his plan A, and we'll see who he can bring in, could be exciting.

CK's abilities, AND experience will be a valuable asset either way.

[Hogs-n-Roses]

Derby did it just fine. Cole isn't a NFL QB. The move would be logical to a blocking TE.

[1highhog]

Serious question:

Is it POSSIBLE that - within Morris's offensive scheme - CK could be converted to Fullback or Tight End, put on a strict diet and exercise program, lose about 25-30 pounds of suet and used primarily as a blocking back and/or slot receiver?  He could also be used as an option passer/runner in some variation of "Wild Hog" formation. 

Do you think that would be at all feasible, - not necessarily in a full-time, first team starter capacity, - - but as an integral element of the offensive scheme in certain situations?

Do you think Kelly might go along with such a transition?

Slot receiver??  ROFLMAO!

[Billy Bats]

He was shell shocked half the time, under duress his mechanics would break down and hurt his accuracy.

showed at other times, in the right conditions, he could be very accurate.

would seem to be very fixable.

Yeah, he did look like a WW1 vet out there at times.

[Hawgphat]

I have absolutely nothing against CK  (apart from his DUI indiscretion).  I appreciate his talent.  I would hate to see him either transfer or be obliged to regress to 2nd or 3rd string backup QB.  I simply would like to see his skills used to the fullest capacity possible; that's all.

[GuvHog]

One of his first statements as the hog HC was about speed.  Just saying.  Having an RPO QB that runs a 4.4 could add a dimension to our offense we haven’t had in over a decade.

That's not the type of offense Morris runs. Like I said, watch some videos of SMU's offense this year. Rarely does the QB ever keep the ball and run it.

[nwahogfan1]

I think Cole can run this offense just fine.

I agree if he is willing to run the ball and be tough.  There was a guy named Tebow who ran the spread pretty well.

[Billy Bats]

That's not the type of offense Morris runs. Like I said, watch some videos of SMU's offense this year. Rarely does the QB ever keep the ball and run it.

It's 100% the kind of offense he ran at Clemson.  He adapts and plays to his strengths.

[GuvHog]

Derby did it just fine. Cole isn't a NFL QB. The move would be logical to a blocking TE.

That's ridiculous. You don't put a QB with a cannon for an arm at TE. That's just plain silly.

[ronmahony]

I think Cole can run this offense just fine.

I agree, with a little work on his touch I think he will be just fine as QB.